Hi, The following is an extract from the burial records recorded for Dumfries parish in the booklet Dumfries OPR Part I -- 1617 to 1679 published by DGFHS (www.dgfhs.org.uk) There are nine booklets in this series covering the period from 1617 to 1854. The number of recorded burials in this period total over thirty-thousand. (Incidentally this whole volume will be offered free on the cover disc issued by the BBC WDYTYA Programme magazine.)   Note: extraniel means that peson was't even a meber of the parish but beloned to some other, probably unknow parish.   Bell William, "extraniel pauper" July, 1623 Byers Maly, extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Carruthers Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Cuik Janet, "pauper" Aug 13, 1623 Diksone Robert, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Elder John,e, "pauper" Nov 28, 1640 Fergusone Roger, son of John, "pauper" June 23, 1636 Gairdein Janet, "pauper" Sept  5, 1623 Gibsone Thomas, son of Walter Gibsone, "pauper" June 29, 1636 Gluver James, "pauper" Aug  2, 1623 Halyday Geils?, "extraniel pauper" July 21, 1623 Johstone John, "extraniel pauper" Jul, 11, 1623 Jonstone John, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Litle James, son of Johne DCS, "pauper" June 28, 1636 Mairtein Jonat, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Maxwell John, son of Alexr. (pauper?) Mar 25, 1523 Neilsone Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 15, 1623 Pott James, "extralniel pauper" July 10, 1623 Rae James, "extraniel pauper" July 31, 1623 Russell    Robert, son of Robert Russel, "pauper" July 10, 1636 Slowane William, son of Johne Slowane, "pauper" July 12, 1636 Sturgeon Andrew, "pauper" Aug 15, 1623 Tear William, "pauper" Aug  8, 1623 Teir Agnes, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone Bessie, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone William, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623   Hope this is of interest.   Sandy ________________________________ From: Iain Hutchison <[email protected]> To: mary amelia paladin <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 21:38 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Paupers were generally buried in an area set aside for this purpose in burial grounds and, since they died peniless, their graves were unmarked. To be paupers, the Parochial Board who gave them basic maintenance, and ultimately a pauper burial, would have been expected to exhaust all attempts to trace relatives to pressure them into giving support before the Board itself would put them on the poor roll. So that generally meant that there wa sno one to step forward to buy a burial plut and perhaps eventually put a stone on it. Before 1845, the poor law was administered by the Church of Scotland at parish level. After the Poor Law (Scotland) Act of 1845, by which time the religious denominational mix of Scotland was become more diverse, poor law provision was effectively a secular function funded by rates rather than Church of Scotland income from collections, hire of mort cloths, etc. Hope this helps. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "mary amelia paladin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:27 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials > > I have a question or two regarding the burials of those who had very > little > money and, how/where they were buried-generally... > > Must they have been affiliated w/a church or be attendees to be buried in > the parish cemetaries? > Where there cemetaries for the poor; were they marked with names? > > Many of my ancestors were agriculture laborers working on farms for > others; > they were, in most part, poor people. Before I begin trying to locate > their > resting places I was wondering if there would even be marked graves, > pauper > cemetaries etc... > > Thanks for your time! > > Mary A Paladin > Pennsylvania, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's interesting - when does the magazine come out and is it sold in ordinary high street newsagents Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sandy Pittendreigh Sent: 05 December 2011 22:36 To: Iain Hutchison; mary amelia paladin; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Hi, The following is an extract from the burial records recorded for Dumfries parish in the booklet Dumfries OPR Part I -- 1617 to 1679 published by DGFHS (www.dgfhs.org.uk) There are nine booklets in this series covering the period from 1617 to 1854. The number of recorded burials in this period total over thirty-thousand. (Incidentally this whole volume will be offered free on the cover disc issued by the BBC WDYTYA Programme magazine.)   Note: extraniel means that peson was't even a meber of the parish but beloned to some other, probably unknow parish.   Bell William, "extraniel pauper" July, 1623 Byers Maly, extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Carruthers Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Cuik Janet, "pauper" Aug 13, 1623 Diksone Robert, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Elder John,e, "pauper" Nov 28, 1640 Fergusone Roger, son of John, "pauper" June 23, 1636 Gairdein Janet, "pauper" Sept  5, 1623 Gibsone Thomas, son of Walter Gibsone, "pauper" June 29, 1636 Gluver James, "pauper" Aug  2, 1623 Halyday Geils?, "extraniel pauper" July 21, 1623 Johstone John, "extraniel pauper" Jul, 11, 1623 Jonstone John, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Litle James, son of Johne DCS, "pauper" June 28, 1636 Mairtein Jonat, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Maxwell John, son of Alexr. (pauper?) Mar 25, 1523 Neilsone Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 15, 1623 Pott James, "extralniel pauper" July 10, 1623 Rae James, "extraniel pauper" July 31, 1623 Russell    Robert, son of Robert Russel, "pauper" July 10, 1636 Slowane William, son of Johne Slowane, "pauper" July 12, 1636 Sturgeon Andrew, "pauper" Aug 15, 1623 Tear William, "pauper" Aug  8, 1623 Teir Agnes, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone Bessie, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone William, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623   Hope this is of interest.   Sandy ________________________________ From: Iain Hutchison <[email protected]> To: mary amelia paladin <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 21:38 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Paupers were generally buried in an area set aside for this purpose in burial grounds and, since they died peniless, their graves were unmarked. To be paupers, the Parochial Board who gave them basic maintenance, and ultimately a pauper burial, would have been expected to exhaust all attempts to trace relatives to pressure them into giving support before the Board itself would put them on the poor roll. So that generally meant that there wa sno one to step forward to buy a burial plut and perhaps eventually put a stone on it. Before 1845, the poor law was administered by the Church of Scotland at parish level. After the Poor Law (Scotland) Act of 1845, by which time the religious denominational mix of Scotland was become more diverse, poor law provision was effectively a secular function funded by rates rather than Church of Scotland income from collections, hire of mort cloths, etc. Hope this helps. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "mary amelia paladin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:27 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials > > I have a question or two regarding the burials of those who had very > little > money and, how/where they were buried-generally... > > Must they have been affiliated w/a church or be attendees to be buried in > the parish cemetaries? > Where there cemetaries for the poor; were they marked with names? > > Many of my ancestors were agriculture laborers working on farms for > others; > they were, in most part, poor people. Before I begin trying to locate > their > resting places I was wondering if there would even be marked graves, > pauper > cemetaries etc... > > Thanks for your time! > > Mary A Paladin > Pennsylvania, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4058 - Release Date: 12/05/11

Thanks one and all! Think I will try to zero in on locations and check them with the booklets. Maybe I will get lucky and find some. The thought of my g'g'gparents, who raised my g'mother, in unmarked graves makes me sad... Thanks again! Mary -----Original Message----- From: Judy Jeffrey [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:47 PM To: 'Sandy Pittendreigh'; 'Iain Hutchison'; 'mary amelia paladin'; [email protected] Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials That's interesting - when does the magazine come out and is it sold in ordinary high street newsagents Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sandy Pittendreigh Sent: 05 December 2011 22:36 To: Iain Hutchison; mary amelia paladin; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Hi, The following is an extract from the burial records recorded for Dumfries parish in the booklet Dumfries OPR Part I -- 1617 to 1679 published by DGFHS (www.dgfhs.org.uk) There are nine booklets in this series covering the period from 1617 to 1854. The number of recorded burials in this period total over thirty-thousand. (Incidentally this whole volume will be offered free on the cover disc issued by the BBC WDYTYA Programme magazine.)   Note: extraniel means that peson was't even a meber of the parish but beloned to some other, probably unknow parish.   Bell William, "extraniel pauper" July, 1623 Byers Maly, extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Carruthers Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Cuik Janet, "pauper" Aug 13, 1623 Diksone Robert, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Elder John,e, "pauper" Nov 28, 1640 Fergusone Roger, son of John, "pauper" June 23, 1636 Gairdein Janet, "pauper" Sept  5, 1623 Gibsone Thomas, son of Walter Gibsone, "pauper" June 29, 1636 Gluver James, "pauper" Aug  2, 1623 Halyday Geils?, "extraniel pauper" July 21, 1623 Johstone John, "extraniel pauper" Jul, 11, 1623 Jonstone John, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Litle James, son of Johne DCS, "pauper" June 28, 1636 Mairtein Jonat, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Maxwell John, son of Alexr. (pauper?) Mar 25, 1523 Neilsone Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 15, 1623 Pott James, "extralniel pauper" July 10, 1623 Rae James, "extraniel pauper" July 31, 1623 Russell    Robert, son of Robert Russel, "pauper" July 10, 1636 Slowane William, son of Johne Slowane, "pauper" July 12, 1636 Sturgeon Andrew, "pauper" Aug 15, 1623 Tear William, "pauper" Aug  8, 1623 Teir Agnes, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone Bessie, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone William, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623   Hope this is of interest.   Sandy ________________________________ From: Iain Hutchison <[email protected]> To: mary amelia paladin <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 21:38 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Paupers were generally buried in an area set aside for this purpose in burial grounds and, since they died peniless, their graves were unmarked. To be paupers, the Parochial Board who gave them basic maintenance, and ultimately a pauper burial, would have been expected to exhaust all attempts to trace relatives to pressure them into giving support before the Board itself would put them on the poor roll. So that generally meant that there wa sno one to step forward to buy a burial plut and perhaps eventually put a stone on it. Before 1845, the poor law was administered by the Church of Scotland at parish level. After the Poor Law (Scotland) Act of 1845, by which time the religious denominational mix of Scotland was become more diverse, poor law provision was effectively a secular function funded by rates rather than Church of Scotland income from collections, hire of mort cloths, etc. Hope this helps. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "mary amelia paladin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:27 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials > > I have a question or two regarding the burials of those who had very > little > money and, how/where they were buried-generally... > > Must they have been affiliated w/a church or be attendees to be buried in > the parish cemetaries? > Where there cemetaries for the poor; were they marked with names? > > Many of my ancestors were agriculture laborers working on farms for > others; > they were, in most part, poor people. Before I begin trying to locate > their > resting places I was wondering if there would even be marked graves, > pauper > cemetaries etc... > > Thanks for your time! > > Mary A Paladin > Pennsylvania, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4058 - Release Date: 12/05/11

Hi Judy, I believe the next WDYTYA Mag issue will be February but these mags are often on the shelves before the publication date. W.H. Smith certainly stock it on the their mag racks, so I'd expect there are many more UK outlets. Cheers, Sandy ________________________________ From: Judy Jeffrey <[email protected]> To: 'Sandy Pittendreigh' <[email protected]>; 'Iain Hutchison' <[email protected]>; 'mary amelia paladin' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 22:46 Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials That's interesting - when does the magazine come out and is it sold in ordinary high street newsagents Judy

Hi Its late and my brain is going to sleep.  I'm in danger of misleading you here. Only Part I, the first of the nine volumes will be on the WDYTYA Mag disc. That will be just a mere 4,500 of the 30,000+ burial records for Dumfries cover by this series.   Sandy ________________________________ From: Judy Jeffrey <[email protected]> To: 'Sandy Pittendreigh' <[email protected]>; 'Iain Hutchison' <[email protected]>; 'mary amelia paladin' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 22:46 Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials That's interesting - when does the magazine come out and is it sold in ordinary high street newsagents Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sandy Pittendreigh Sent: 05 December 2011 22:36 To: Iain Hutchison; mary amelia paladin; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Hi, The following is an extract from the burial records recorded for Dumfries parish in the booklet Dumfries OPR Part I -- 1617 to 1679 published by DGFHS (www.dgfhs.org.uk) There are nine booklets in this series covering the period from 1617 to 1854. The number of recorded burials in this period total over thirty-thousand. (Incidentally this whole volume will be offered free on the cover disc issued by the BBC WDYTYA Programme magazine.)   Note: extraniel means that peson was't even a meber of the parish but beloned to some other, probably unknow parish.   Bell William, "extraniel pauper" July, 1623 Byers Maly, extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Carruthers Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Cuik Janet, "pauper" Aug 13, 1623 Diksone Robert, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Elder John,e, "pauper" Nov 28, 1640 Fergusone Roger, son of John, "pauper" June 23, 1636 Gairdein Janet, "pauper" Sept  5, 1623 Gibsone Thomas, son of Walter Gibsone, "pauper" June 29, 1636 Gluver James, "pauper" Aug  2, 1623 Halyday Geils?, "extraniel pauper" July 21, 1623 Johstone John, "extraniel pauper" Jul, 11, 1623 Jonstone John, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Litle James, son of Johne DCS, "pauper" June 28, 1636 Mairtein Jonat, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Maxwell John, son of Alexr. (pauper?) Mar 25, 1523 Neilsone Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 15, 1623 Pott James, "extralniel pauper" July 10, 1623 Rae James, "extraniel pauper" July 31, 1623 Russell    Robert, son of Robert Russel, "pauper" July 10, 1636 Slowane William, son of Johne Slowane, "pauper" July 12, 1636 Sturgeon Andrew, "pauper" Aug 15, 1623 Tear William, "pauper" Aug  8, 1623 Teir Agnes, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone Bessie, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone William, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623   Hope this is of interest.   Sandy ________________________________ From: Iain Hutchison <[email protected]> To: mary amelia paladin <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 21:38 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Paupers were generally buried in an area set aside for this purpose in burial grounds and, since they died peniless, their graves were unmarked. To be paupers, the Parochial Board who gave them basic maintenance, and ultimately a pauper burial, would have been expected to exhaust all attempts to trace relatives to pressure them into giving support before the Board itself would put them on the poor roll. So that generally meant that there wa sno one to step forward to buy a burial plut and perhaps eventually put a stone on it. Before 1845, the poor law was administered by the Church of Scotland at parish level. After the Poor Law (Scotland) Act of 1845, by which time the religious denominational mix of Scotland was become more diverse, poor law provision was effectively a secular function funded by rates rather than Church of Scotland income from collections, hire of mort cloths, etc. Hope this helps. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "mary amelia paladin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:27 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials > > I have a question or two regarding the burials of those who had very > little > money and, how/where they were buried-generally... > > Must they have been affiliated w/a church or be attendees to be buried in > the parish cemetaries? > Where there cemetaries for the poor; were they marked with names? > > Many of my ancestors were agriculture laborers working on farms for > others; > they were, in most part, poor people. Before I begin trying to locate > their > resting places I was wondering if there would even be marked graves, > pauper > cemetaries etc... > > Thanks for your time! > > Mary A Paladin > Pennsylvania, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4058 - Release Date: 12/05/11