i am presently researching the DODD family of Annan District, Dumfries, Scotland and also of Brydekirk, Dumfries, Scotland In Annan District i have gathered some info (mainly records from Scotslandpeople online) on the family of Charles Dodd and his wife Jane Baxter who were married in Annan in 1896 In Brydekirk District, Dumfries, i have family info on David James Dodd and his wife Margaret Ann (Hetherington?) who were married in Cumberland County, England ca 1906 Charles Dodd and David James were brothers and born in Cumberland County, England. I believe their parents were Matthew (Mark) Dodd and Margaret Edgar, m. 1863 in Whitehaven., Cumberland County David james Dodd and family emigrated to Canada, settling in New Brunswick in 1929 can anyone connect to this DODD families? Schani Biermann Regina, Sask Canada

Fascinating. Now I know that the spelling changed I am making real progress. Thank you. In case anyone else is interested in the minutiae: BARNGLIES (no "H") (OS landranger sheet 85 GR 328 777) is North of Gretna and West of CANONBIE, up the road from BOGRA, BOGRIE and "TOWER of SARK". BARNGLIESHEAD lies a little further North. 1925 On the OS popular edition map the same place is BARNGLEISH. (with an "H") and 1866-1869 OS Old series BARNGLEISH.(with an "H") Martin Dorset, England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Staffmail" <colinwarwick@talktalk.net> Martin, Assuming that Barngleish is now Barnglies, it is about 5 miles west of Canonbie. http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/ type in Canonbie, three clicks to the west. My GGGgrandparents William Warwick (1750 - bef.1827) and Agnes Hill (17556 - 1827) were married there on 23 Feb 1775. Colin From: "Martin Graham" <mgraham@rmplc.co.uk> Samuel Graham b. abt 1717 and Mary Maitland b. abt 1721 CANONBIE They appear to have four children born at BARNGLEISH, CANONBIE, Dumfriesshire GRIZEL GRAHAM bap 10 Oct 1743 KATHERINE GRAHAM bap. 5 Jul 1745 PETER GRAHAM bap. 17 Dec 1747 and unnamed Graham daughter "MISS GRAHAM" bap. 27 Jan 1750 Five questions: 1.) Can anyone help with birth dates or places and marriage date of Samuel and Mary? 2.) Does anyone know anything else about them or their children? 3.) Do you know where BARNGLEISH is? 4.) Why would a daughter be unnamed at baptism? 5.) Is it possible or probable that the Peter Graham (below) who married in Canonbie (and is buried there) is the same person as the Peter Graham bap 17 Dec 1747? "Erected in memory of Peter Graham who died at Cubbyhill 4th December 1825 in the 86th year of his age" Three unlikely explanations: 1.) Peter was 7 or 8 years old when baptized. (Is that likely?) 2.) The headstone is not accurate. (Unlikely?) 3.) or this is the wrong Peter? Any thoughts, corrections or pointers would be really welcome. Martin, Dorset, England.

I was doing so well but now have a glitch! As Jessie is to Janet, Beth/Bessie is to Elizabeth, is James a similar equivalent to John? My family mainly originated in Dumfries and Galloway with some popping over the border to Carlisle to marry. My parents were second cousins before they married and I thought I had established the connections. However, yesterday I came across a cross border link and discovered that my JAMES JOHNSTON was actually JOHN JOHNSTON according to his daughter's English marriage certificate (August 1900). Although she worked (as a hat maker) in Carlisle she was born in Scotland and I had always presumed her father to have been Scottish. Could he have been called James in Scotland, even though he was referred to as John when he witnessed his daughter's marriage in England?

Today I received a wonderful photo taken in a small graveyard in Kirkton, Kirkmahoe, showing the family of my ggggrandfather Thomas Sharp and his wife Mary McLellan. Surprisingly the top of the headstone has a very detailed Star of David carved into it. What does this signify? Simply a religious relic, a sign of God, or Judaism? Any help would be appreciated. Dave

Martin, Assuming that Barngleish is now Barnglies, it is about 5 miles west of Canonbie. http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/ type in Canonbie, three clicks to the west. My GGGgrandparents William Warwick (1750 - bef.1827) and Agnes Hill (17556 - 1827) were married there on 23 Feb 1775. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Graham" <mgraham@rmplc.co.uk> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:37 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] BARNGLEISH, CANONBIE > Samuel Graham b. abt 1717 and Mary Maitland b. abt 1721 CANONBIE > They appear to have four children born at BARNGLEISH, CANONBIE, > Dumfriesshire > GRIZEL GRAHAM bap 10 Oct 1743 > KATHERINE GRAHAM bap. 5 Jul 1745 > PETER GRAHAM bap. 17 Dec 1747 > and unnamed Graham daughter "MISS GRAHAM" bap. 27 Jan 1750 > > Five questions: > 1.) Can anyone help with birth dates or places and marriage date of Samuel > and Mary? > 2.) Does anyone know anything else about them or their children? > 3.) Do you know where BARNGLEISH is? > 4.) Why would a daughter be unnamed at baptism? > 5.) Is it possible or probable that the Peter Graham (below) who married > in > Canonbie (and is buried there) is the same person as the Peter Graham bap > 17 > Dec 1747? > "Erected in memory of Peter Graham who died at Cubbyhill 4th December 1825 > in the 86th year of his age" > Three unlikely explanations: > 1.) Peter was 7 or 8 years old when baptized. (Is that likely?) > 2.) The headstone is not accurate. (Unlikely?) > 3.) or this is the wrong Peter? > Any thoughts, corrections or pointers would be really welcome. > > Martin, Dorset, England. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Samuel Graham b. abt 1717 and Mary Maitland b. abt 1721 CANONBIE They appear to have four children born at BARNGLEISH, CANONBIE, Dumfriesshire GRIZEL GRAHAM bap 10 Oct 1743 KATHERINE GRAHAM bap. 5 Jul 1745 PETER GRAHAM bap. 17 Dec 1747 and unnamed Graham daughter "MISS GRAHAM" bap. 27 Jan 1750 Five questions: 1.) Can anyone help with birth dates or places and marriage date of Samuel and Mary? 2.) Does anyone know anything else about them or their children? 3.) Do you know where BARNGLEISH is? 4.) Why would a daughter be unnamed at baptism? 5.) Is it possible or probable that the Peter Graham (below) who married in Canonbie (and is buried there) is the same person as the Peter Graham bap 17 Dec 1747? "Erected in memory of Peter Graham who died at Cubbyhill 4th December 1825 in the 86th year of his age" Three unlikely explanations: 1.) Peter was 7 or 8 years old when baptized. (Is that likely?) 2.) The headstone is not accurate. (Unlikely?) 3.) or this is the wrong Peter? Any thoughts, corrections or pointers would be really welcome. Martin, Dorset, England.

This is my first try at a Scottish List. I have recently received a document stating that my great-great -grandfather was born in Galloway later immigrated to New York in 1774. Parents names are John White and Barbara Stewart. He was adopted by a Lady Agnew (could be Agnes) Her son Nathaniel is also mentioned. Can any one tell me where to start looking for information. The Gen Web Links do not seem to work. Lucille White

The age could be 50, or 5 something. The census recorder had a heavy hand, but I think Rothesay is pretty clear. Most of the females on the page had a X over their ages, I guess indicating they were counted? Steve.

Hi Les, Have you had a look on Scotlandspeople? I have found ancestry.com good for census, but they do not have images of the Scotland census. Anyway, I had a look on Scotlandspeople ( I have a few credits left which are due to expire shortly). The 1871 Census of Scotland shows a William Johnston, draper, aged 50, living in Dalry, Ayr. His place of birth is Lanarkshire, Glasgow. His wife, Elizabeth, was born in Buteshire, Rothesay. Her age is not clear as it is crossed over. Regards, Steve.

that's very interesting. can you see how 'Rothesay' could turn into "Ketting"? The line over the age could explain how Elizabeth failed to get any older in 20 years. Could the first figure be a 5? Judy snip > > The 1871 Census of Scotland shows a William Johnston, draper, aged 50, > living in Dalry, Ayr. His place of birth is Lanarkshire, Glasgow. > His wife, > Elizabeth, was born in Buteshire, Rothesay. Her age is not clear as > it is > crossed over. > > Regards, > Steve. > >

ALLISONS BANK TOLL BAR is on the Scottish bank of the River Sark. On the English bank is the Sark Bank Hotel (now The Gretna Chase Hotel) built to catch the "illegal" wedding trade. The Toll Bar was also known as SARK BANK TOLL. Crossing from England into Scotland on the old Gretna Road (from Carlisle) it is the first house on the right and is now in a rather sorry state at the entrance to a camping and caravan site.Marriage records are housed in a solicitors office in Carlisle. For listers who know Gretna this is not the old blacksmiths shop (at Gretna Green) of the modern tourist trade. There is a useful article on Allisons Bank at: http://www.britishancestry.org/articles.php?year=2003&month=7&id=6 Eskdale and Liddesdale Advertiser Index from 1848 onwards http://www.langholmarchive.org.uk/ (previous post) may produce some interesting results. I found a marriage (not a Gretna marriage) George Graham, farmer, Cubbyhill to Miss Jane Murray, 2nd daughter of John Murray, Sark Tollbar Rev H Hodgeson, Kirkandrews on Esk ARTHURET is the huge and beautiful church and graveyard close to Longtown, Cumbria. (Just South of the English (Cumberland) Scottish (Dumfriesshire) border at Scotsdike) The Cumbria FHS has recently published a CD of Arthuret MIs (more than 6,400 individuals on more than 1900 graves dating from 1654.) Many of the transcriptions are illuminated by additional information from local newspapers and other sources. There is also a transcript of the burial registers from 1838-1930. Due its size (over 700 pages) it is available as CD (PDF format) only. (£10 by post). Cumbria FHS members can find an article about the publication in the CFHS newsletter no. 129 dated Nov 2008, pgs 24 & 25. Information is also in the publications section on the CFHS website http://cumbriafhs.com/ (This paragraph is not a commercial promotion - I am simply a very grateful recipient of the fascinating data in this huge piece of work.) Martin - Dorset, England ----- Original Message ----- William Robison died at Allison's Bank Bar. FINALLY, I found his Death - in England. He was working as a Toll Keeper (Allison's Bank- near Gretna?), was injured and died as a result ... at Carlisle Hospital on 22.11.1868. He is not buried at the Carlisle Cemetery but I have been informed that he may be buried at a small cemetery in the vicinity of the border - perhaps Arthuret, near Longtown or suchlike.

All I have is an ancestry.com transcription of the 1871 census, Dalry, for William Johnston, draper, and wife Elizabeth nee Kenyon. If clearly shows Ketting, Buteshire, which of course could be the transcriber's error. One suggestion has been that it could be the name of a house or estate? Nothing like it in Genuki and the many responses to date. Thanks to all for your efforts. Les H., Napier, NZ.

I'm going to bet that it is in fact Rothesay. Just in case anyone thinks I have gone completely mad, I found the family in 1851 and 1861 (in Kilmarnock) where Elizabeth's POB is down as Rethury and Rothesay. Elizabeths age dots around a bit but I think its the same family. there is also a James Kenyon born 1809 who moves to Ayrshire from Bute and seems to come from Rothesay too, Now the pen test. try an ornate 19thc R beginning with a pronounced downstroke before the loop - easily mistaken for K. Then the TH interpreted as double T, followed by some scribbled lower case letters and ending in the y - easy to mix up with g. So whilst it might seem really extreme to suggest that Rothesay could end up as Ketting, its quite feasible, especially with Ancestry's rather sloppy transcriptions. Judy On 13 Nov 2008, at 17:42, Les Hewett wrote: > All I have is an ancestry.com transcription of the 1871 census, > Dalry, for > William Johnston, draper, and wife Elizabeth nee Kenyon. If clearly > shows > Ketting, Buteshire, which of course could be the transcriber's > error. One > suggestion has been that it could be the name of a house or estate? > Nothing > like it in Genuki and the many responses to date. Thanks to all for > your > efforts. Les H., Napier, NZ. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Barbara Maybe there was another child for Andrew. There is a baptism record in Dryfesdale parish Register for a Janet Blacklock b 1815 . Parents named as Andrew Blacklock and Janet Broun. James and Margaret Sanders are in North Dumfries Waterloo County in 1851 Canada census. The Sanders family sailed from Scotland to NY in June 1842. Joanna > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:44:00 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > From: Barbara Brown Allen <thyword21@earthlink.net> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Andrew Blacklock, b.abt 1781 DFS > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <11826992.1226540640459.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello List: Can someone confirm the marriage of Andrew Blacklock to Janet Waugh? I > have found Andrew only in the 1841 SCT census where he is at Dryfesdale with a James > Blacklock, age 20, and the James Sanders family. The wife of James Sanders is Margaret. > After further investigation, their son Thomas Sanders is Thomas Blacklock Sanders, b. 1 > Aug 1837. Thomas B. Sanders later appears in the 1851 census of Galt, Ont., and on 18 > Mar 1864 he marries Annie Ross at Waterloo, Ont. Their marriage license names James > Sanders and Margaret as his parents. Back to Andrew: I have him with two children, John > Blacklock and Margaret Blacklock. > > Thanks for any help, > Barbara > Dearborn, Michigan USA

For the month of November there is free access to WW1 records at www.ancestry.co.uk see *http://tinyurl.com/6dat9g nb service docs are from A-N at the moment. regards Anton * E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11100 http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/

Hi All, in my book, "The Making of Scotland" by Robin Smith is a comprehensive guide to the growth of Scotland's Cities, Towns and Villages. There is no mention of a village called Ketting. Regards, Sandy (Tasmania)

Hi Les The only names I recall from Bute which begin with a K are: Kilchattan, Kerrycroy and Kingarth. Ella Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Hewett" <ljhewett@ihug.co.nz> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:09 AM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] KETTING, BUTE ?? > Any lister aware of Ketting, Bute ? I have an 1871 Ayr census entry give > wife's birthplace as Ketting, Bute. Not found in UK Map book, Genuki > Parishes or Ordinance Gazetteer for Scotland. Any advice appreciated. Les > H., Napier, NZ. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi Les If you have the image I for one would be happy to look, as it sounds like the place of birth has been garbled either at the time or in transcription. If it is just an index entry then people might be able to work it out if you posted all the details. Judy On 12 Nov 2008, at 20:09, Les Hewett wrote: > Any lister aware of Ketting, Bute ? I have an 1871 Ayr census entry > give > wife's birthplace as Ketting, Bute. Not found in UK Map book, Genuki > Parishes or Ordinance Gazetteer for Scotland. Any advice > appreciated. Les > H., Napier, NZ. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This might well be the name of a house or farm etc rather than a village. Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Hewett" <ljhewett@ihug.co.nz> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] KETTING, BUTE ?? > Any lister aware of Ketting, Bute ? I have an 1871 Ayr census entry give > wife's birthplace as Ketting, Bute. Not found in UK Map book, Genuki > Parishes or Ordinance Gazetteer for Scotland. Any advice appreciated. Les > H., Napier, NZ. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Any lister aware of Ketting, Bute ? I have an 1871 Ayr census entry give wife's birthplace as Ketting, Bute. Not found in UK Map book, Genuki Parishes or Ordinance Gazetteer for Scotland. Any advice appreciated. Les H., Napier, NZ.