Thanks Charles, that's a great help. Douglas Brown Queanbeyan, Australia

Let me suggest to everyone who is planning a trip to Scotland that they buy ahead of time some maps of the area. Specifically I find the Ordnance Survey Landranger series and theOrdnance Survey Pathfinder series to be excellent as they have a multitude of historic places marked that the regular road maps do not and cannot. The Landranger series covers a much larger area than the Pathfinder series do. Both are excellent and when used in conjunction with each other will make planning a vacation trip to Scotland much more enjoyable. I wish that I had had them when we were there 10 years ago. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "jody allen" <fraochale@gmail.com> To: "Iain Hutchison" <iain@keapub.fsnet.co.uk> Cc: "D&G Mailing List" <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] !851 Church Census > Yes this is what I was looking for and because it was statistical (not > typical of regular 1851 census) it is more helpful for local/social > historians than say a family genealogist because if I remember they may > only > list who the ministers were, it was more of report on what the religious > climate was for a given parish and what the attendance was like as well as > report on other denominations in a parish, which is helpful for family > research if you haven't found your family in the traditional OPR or on > census. > I was looking for this because of the statistics rather than names. I will > keep searching to see if I can find an online index or source. > Unfortunately > I am across the pond in the US and don't have access to a library with > this > source. But thank you for posting it so I can add to my list of things to > look up on my next trip to Scotland. > > Jody > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Iain Hutchison > <iain@keapub.fsnet.co.uk>wrote: > >> I can't claim to know much about the 1851 census, but I believe it came >> under the auspices of the government decennial census, and it was an >> exercise that was not attempted again until 2001. >> >> For each decennial census, reports were published. These are sizeable >> tomes >> and contain some narrative, but lots of statistical tables on the >> different >> areas of census enquiry. On this basis, I would expect to local data >> covered in the 1851 Census Report, split down into county and perhaps >> also >> parish. Indeed it seems that a specific volume was published in >> connection >> with the relgious survey and one is held in Glasgow University Library: >> >> http://eleanor.lib.gla.ac.uk/search~S6/?searchtype=Z&searcharg=1851+census+report+scotland&searchscope=6&sortdropdown=-&SORT=DZ&extended=0&searchlimits=&searchorigarg=Z1851+census%26SORT%3DD >> >> There should also be copies in the National Library in Edinburgh and >> other >> large reference libraries. >> >> Iain >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Neil Beattie" <neil@clueful.co.uk> >> To: "D&G Mailing List" <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] !851 Church Census >> >> >> > >> > Hi Jody >> > This church census is new to me but may be very useful. I'm aware of >> > the national census which took place in 1851 but not one udertaken by >> > the church. Was there a special one for Kircudbright burgh itself? >> > Neil >> >> I'm looking for an on line access to the Church census that was done >> >> in >> >> 1851 >> >> by Parish ministers. Does anyone know if there is an online source for >> >> the >> >> burgh of Kirkdcudbright. I need the information for a class paper. >> >> Jody >> >> >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - Release Date: >> 22/11/2551 >> 18:59 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Jody Allen, > Scottish Scribbles Blog > http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Researching: > Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart > Ireland: Lynch, Drought > Wales: Williams, Walsh > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hI could alan MITCHELL from sommerset please contact me again as i lost your e-mail Regards Allan Lindsay Stranraer

Have you used the military information site at the National Archives of UK<http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/default.htm> ? I have used them to get info on my WWI ancestor who fought with the Royal Scots Fusiliers. Though there is not a lot of info for WWI, your date is later so they might have it. Jody On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jim <japatterson@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hello listers, > > > > Can some kind soul please direct me as to how I might go > about finding out what Army unit my step Dad served with and his service # > and possibly records please? Last week I called Glasgow Army Personnel > Centre and have just received a parcel full of numerous forms to fill in > and > it says any request may take 8 months to respond and cost 30 pounds plus if > they find his details, it will also take days to fill in all these forms? > > > > Is there somewhere one can call to get Unit and Service # details for ones > father please? George Stanley Brewin B: 09 Jul 1929 would have done > Conscription from about 1946-7 onward based on his age?.. He was a > Paratrooper as I saw an old photo of him and he told me he was a Para > before > he died some 30 years ago next month. > > > > Any and all guidance appreciated > > > > Jim Patterson-Brewin > > Western Canada > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jody Allen, Scottish Scribbles Blog http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh

Sorry the SCAN <p://www.scan.org.uk/> site should have been linked, makes it easier to find. They have really great guides to use here as well. Jody On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 5:59 AM, jody allen <fraochale@gmail.com> wrote: > The NAS site is much nicer to use now that they have improved their search > engines. I have had to use it a lot for my archival classes and it is > especially helpful as a starting point. I rarely use the UK Archives > because I find that I don't find things as easy as the NAS site. There are > also the great sites SCRAN <http://www.scran.ac.uk/> and SCAN that have > documents to view online which is helpful for those of us on the other side > of the pond. For those doing research in Kirkcudbrightshire there are a lot > of good documents that go beyond the basic types of genealogy records that > reveal names and would be useful for the family researcher. > Jody > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Iain Hutchison <iain@keapub.fsnet.co.uk>wrote: > >> The scope of 'The' National Archives can be ambiguous. Remember that >> Scotland has its own national archive, the National Archives of Scotland: >> http://www.nas.gov.uk/ > > -- Jody Allen, Scottish Scribbles Blog http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh

The NAS site is much nicer to use now that they have improved their search engines. I have had to use it a lot for my archival classes and it is especially helpful as a starting point. I rarely use the UK Archives because I find that I don't find things as easy as the NAS site. There are also the great sites SCRAN <http://www.scran.ac.uk/> and SCAN<p://www.scan.org.uk/> that have documents to view online which is helpful for those of us on the other side of the pond. For those doing research in Kirkcudbrightshire there are a lot of good documents that go beyond the basic types of genealogy records that reveal names and would be useful for the family researcher. Jody On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Iain Hutchison <iain@keapub.fsnet.co.uk>wrote: > The scope of 'The' National Archives can be ambiguous. Remember that > Scotland has its own national archive, the National Archives of Scotland: > http://www.nas.gov.uk/ > > Iain > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Celia Renshaw" <celia@morganhold.com> > To: "'Neil Beattie'" <neil@clueful.co.uk>; "'D&G Mailing List'" > <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] !851 Church Census > > > > > > I had a feeling that the 1851 Religious Census was only for England and > > Wales so I went hunting online - frustratingly, and so typically of the > > English, the articles I checked don't state OUTRIGHT that Scotland wasn't > > included but the list of areas covered in the following Wikipedia article > > does not include anywhere in Scotland, so I guess, we're out of luck for > > Kirkcudbright: > > > > > http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Some_Notes_on_th > > e_1851_Religious_Census_with_a_Summary_of_the_Roman_Catholic_Returns > > > > Cheers > > Celia Renshaw > > in Chesterfield UK > > > > PS I'm half Scots, half English so I feel I can be rude or complimentary > > about both!! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil > Beattie > > Sent: 23 November 2008 13:05 > > To: D&G Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] !851 Church Census > > > > Hi Jody > > This church census is new to me but may be very useful. I'm aware of the > > national census which took place in 1851 but not one udertaken by the > > church. Was there a special one for Kircudbright burgh itself? > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - Release Date: 22/11/2551 > 18:59 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jody Allen, Scottish Scribbles Blog http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh

Yes this is what I was looking for and because it was statistical (not typical of regular 1851 census) it is more helpful for local/social historians than say a family genealogist because if I remember they may only list who the ministers were, it was more of report on what the religious climate was for a given parish and what the attendance was like as well as report on other denominations in a parish, which is helpful for family research if you haven't found your family in the traditional OPR or on census. I was looking for this because of the statistics rather than names. I will keep searching to see if I can find an online index or source. Unfortunately I am across the pond in the US and don't have access to a library with this source. But thank you for posting it so I can add to my list of things to look up on my next trip to Scotland. Jody On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Iain Hutchison <iain@keapub.fsnet.co.uk>wrote: > I can't claim to know much about the 1851 census, but I believe it came > under the auspices of the government decennial census, and it was an > exercise that was not attempted again until 2001. > > For each decennial census, reports were published. These are sizeable > tomes > and contain some narrative, but lots of statistical tables on the different > areas of census enquiry. On this basis, I would expect to local data > covered in the 1851 Census Report, split down into county and perhaps also > parish. Indeed it seems that a specific volume was published in connection > with the relgious survey and one is held in Glasgow University Library: > > http://eleanor.lib.gla.ac.uk/search~S6/?searchtype=Z&searcharg=1851+census+report+scotland&searchscope=6&sortdropdown=-&SORT=DZ&extended=0&searchlimits=&searchorigarg=Z1851+census%26SORT%3DD > > There should also be copies in the National Library in Edinburgh and other > large reference libraries. > > Iain > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil Beattie" <neil@clueful.co.uk> > To: "D&G Mailing List" <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] !851 Church Census > > > > > > Hi Jody > > This church census is new to me but may be very useful. I'm aware of > > the national census which took place in 1851 but not one udertaken by > > the church. Was there a special one for Kircudbright burgh itself? > > Neil > >> I'm looking for an on line access to the Church census that was done in > >> 1851 > >> by Parish ministers. Does anyone know if there is an online source for > >> the > >> burgh of Kirkdcudbright. I need the information for a class paper. > >> Jody > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - Release Date: 22/11/2551 > 18:59 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jody Allen, Scottish Scribbles Blog http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh

I am in search of: and it may be listed as MacDonald, McDonald, Macdonald; and Elliot My g'grandfather, Thomas Boyd Mcdonald (b:21 Aug 1876 in Ecclefechan) married Mary Smith Campbell (b: 6 Jul 1879 Thorthorwald d: 30 Oct 1909 Ecclefechan) She died during childbirth, he seems to have 'dissappearred'. He is on 1901 census as estate laborer, in 1909 on my g'aunt Violet's birth certificate he is listed as a motor car driver. We have a photo of him (no date) in a group of, what appears to be, HM Factory Gretna workers. He is sitting in a row with other men and there is a row of women in front of, and behind them. The women all have the Dornack workers badge on their uniforms but the men have no isignia on their coats. His daur, my g'aunt Isabella Scott Mcdonald (b:17 Jun 1899) in Knockburn, Ecclefechan. In 1901 she is listed on the census in Hoddam. No trail after that. Emmigration? Marriage? My g'g'aunt Elizabeth Mcdonald, -sister to Thomas Mcdonald- (b:7 Aug. 1873 in Hoddam). Last record is 1901 census Eskdalemuir, Dumfries. She married Thomas Elliot (b:1868 in Westerkirk) in 1892. He was a shephard in 1892 in Hoddam and in 1901 appeared on 1901 census in Eskdalmuir. They had 3 children: May Elliot(B:abt 1894), John Mcdonald Elliot (b:13 May 1896 d:10 Oct 1918 in Sicily IT) and George (b: abt 1901). Elizabeth and Thomas raised my g'aunt Violet after Mary Smith Campbell died giving birth to Violet Elliot Mcdonald and Margaret Murray Mcdonald (d: 20 Nov 1909), as did 3rd (unborn) triplet. Any leads would be greatly appreciated. Mary Paladin PA; USA Mary A. Paladin mapc@ptd.net <mailto:mapc@ptd.net> Artist, Author, Illustrator www.marypaladin.com <http://www.marypaladin.com/> mary@marypaladin.com <mailto:mary@marypaladin.com> www.marypaladin.etsy.com <http://www.marypaladin.etsy.com/> <mailto:mapc@ptd.net>

I've just found Thomas Cairns (born abt 1825 Dumfries, a baker) & family in the 1851 Scottish Census on ancestry. The address is given as "High Street Fallas Closs". If that's wrong can anyone tell me what it should be and give me any further info on that location. I also have another branch of the Cairns family who at one stage lived in Whinbush in Canonbie. Ancestry shows the address as "Whin Bank". Which is right? Thanks, Douglas Brown Queanbeyan, Australia

Hello I was wondering if anybody can help me I looking for some information on the following family Robert THOMASON, Born 1815 at Canobie, Married on the 25th Feb 1842 at Langholm a Mary THOMASON Born 1819 at Canobie If anybody has access to parish records for Canobie I would be very interested in a birth/bap record for either Any help with the above family would be very much appreciated. Regards Vinnie

Kenlup@aol.com wrote snip< Moffat Family who lived in Irongray from 1850 to 1900I have a Catherine Moffat who was born in 1888 near Dumfries Hi this seems to be her sadly we cant see if any of the ladies in group are married or not but relationship says daughter to head who is Sarah MOFFAT Christine 1891 Scotland Census about Catherine Moffat Name:Catherine Moffat Age:2 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1889 Relationship:Grand-Daur (Granddaughter) Gender:Female Where born:Irongray, Kirkcudbrightshire Registration Number:867 Registration district:Irongray Civil Parish:Irongray County:Kirkcudbrightshire Address:Long Beoch Cottage ED:3 Household schedule number:28 Line:19 Roll:CSSCT1891_401 Household Members:NameAge Agnes Moffat10 Bella Moffat4 Catherine Moffat40 born lochrutton kirkcudbrightshire Catherine Moffat2 Mary Moffat12 Sarah S Moffat65 Where born:Mouswald, Dumfriessh Thomas Moffat13 Walter Moffat8 Source Citation: Parish: Irongray; ED: 3; Page: 6; Line: 19; Roll: CSSCT1891_401; Year: 1891. and again 1901 Scotland Census about Catherine Moffat Name:Catherine Moffat Age:12 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1889 Relationship:Grand Daur (Granddaughter) Gender:Female Where born:Irongray, Kirkcudbrightsh Registration Number:867 Registration district:Irongray Civil Parish:Irongray County:Kirkcudbrightshire Address:Long Beoch Cottage ED:3 Household schedule number:28 Line:17 Roll:CSSCT1901_437 Household Members:NameAge Catherine Moffat50 Catherine Moffat12 Clementina Moffat46 Where born:Lochrutton, Kirkcudbrightsh Isabella Moffat14 Sarah Moffat75 Source Citation: Parish: Irongray; ED: 3; Page: 6; Line: 17; Roll: CSSCT1901_437; Year: 1901.

Hi I am new to this list and I am trying to find information on the Moffat Family who lived in Irongray from 1850 to 1900 , any information would be most welcome I have a Catherine Moffat who was born in 1888 near Dumfries Thank you Ken in Lancashire

I am highly sceptical of anything 'wiki' but this site gives some background and fits with my own understanding of howe the religious census was conducted. i.e it WAS conducted by the churches. It was based on folk attending church. I'd need to hunt for my sources, but my recollaction was that the census suggested that 50% of the population attended church on census day. This seems substantive, but ministers were alarmed, because to them it meant half of the population did NOT attend church. It seems to have been worse than that from their perspective because there were many churchgoers who attended more than one service on a Sunday - so the 50% goers included people who were counted twice or perhaps three times. Here's the site: https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/1851_Census_Places_of_Worship Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "C M Houston" <chouston@f2s.com> To: "jody allen" <fraochale@gmail.com>; "D&G Mailing List" <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] !851 Church Census > > Hi Jody plus all, > > The 1851 Census was not done by Parish Minsters it was a National survey. > > You will find all the 1851 Census info you need for your class paper for > Dumfries,& Galloway , which includes Kirkcudbright and Wigtownshire > here:- > > http://www.dgcommunity.net/historicalindexes/census.aspx > > It is a most wonderful resource that few are aware of and has recently > moved > ite URL to the above, so those with the old address should change to this > one. > > Typical search page and output as below > > Regards > > Charles > > ----------- > > Search the 1851 Census database >>> > This project - to transcribe and key into computer the returns of the 1851 > Census for all the parishes of Dumfriesshire, Kirkcudbrightshire and > Wigtownshire - was begun in 1990 and undertaken by the Friends of the > Archives of Dumfries and Galloway and other volunteers, as listed below*. > > KEY: DMS = Dumfriesshire > KBT = Kirkcudbrightshire > WGT = WigtownshireThe number at the end of each entry is that of the > household within each enumeration district (eg 4/3 means the 3rd household > visited in enumeration district 4). > > * "Friends" and others involved : Mrs Margaret Bold, Mrs Jan Donowho, Mr > John Drummond, Mrs Stella Marrs, Miss Viviennne Orr and Mrs Betty Paisley; > assisted by : Mrs Deirdre Brown, Mrs Sheila Crossthwaite, Miss Lucy > Gibbon, > Mrs Margaret Hugo, Miss Andrea Mallaby, Mrs Doreen Morgan, Mrs Margaret > Robinson and Mr Alan Sinclair. > > Grateful thanks are due to the Department of the Registrar General for > Scotland and the [former] HMSO for permission to carry out this project. > > Quick Search > Keyword: > Advanced Search > Surname: > > Forename: > > Address: > > Parish: Annan Anwoth Applegarth Balmaclellan Balmaghie Borgue Buittle > Caerlaverock Canonbie Carsphairn Closeburn Colvend Crossmichael > Cummertrees > Dalry Dalton Dornock Dryfesdale Dumfries Dunscore Durisdeer Eskdalemuir > Ewes > Girthon Glasserton Glencairn Gretna Half Morton Hoddam Holywood Hutton > Inch > Irongray Johnstone Keir Kells Kelton Kirkbean Kirkcolm Kirkconnel > Kirkcowan > Kirkcudbright Kirkgunzeon Kirkinner Kirkmabreck Kirkmahoe Kirkmaiden > Kirkmichael Kirkpatrick Durham Kirkpatrick Fleming Kirkpatrick Juxta > Langholm Leswalt Lochmaben Lochrutton Middlebie Minnigaff Mochrum Moffat > Morton Mouswald New Abbey New Luce Old Luce Parton Penninghame Penpont > Portpatrick Rerrick Ruthwell Sanquhar Sorbie St Mungo Stoneykirk Stranraer > Terregles Tinwald Tongland Torthorwald Troqueer Tundergarth Twynholm > Tynron > Urr Wamphray Wanlockhead Westerkirk Whithorn Wigtown Choose Parish > > Occupation: > > Household No: (format n/n where n is numeric) > > > > > > > One Household > > Search Results > Results 1 to 4 of 4 > [Page 1] > > > Name: BELFORD , Jane > Address: Corse Cottage(856) > Parish: Balmaclellan > Relationship: daughter of William Houston > Marital Status: married > Occupation: FARMER (daughter of) > Age: 19 > Born: born Kells Kbt > Household No: 1/28 > > Name: BELFORD , William > Address: Corse Cottage(856) > Parish: Balmaclellan > Relationship: grandson of William Houston > Marital Status: > Occupation: > Age: 6 months > Born: born Balmaclellan Kb > Household No: 1/28 > > Name: HOUSTON , Jane > Address: Corse Cottage(856) > Parish: Balmaclellan > Relationship: wife of William Houston > Marital Status: married > Occupation: > Age: 64 > Born: born Dalry Kbt > Household No: 1/28 > > Name: HOUSTON , William > Address: Corse Cottage(856) > Parish: Balmaclellan > Relationship: head of household > Marital Status: married > Occupation: LABOURER agricultural > Age: 47 > Born: born Kells Kbt > Household No: 1/28 > > Results 1 to 4 of 4 > [Page 1] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi Everyone, I'm trying to find out any information on David Wallace Hay who was born in the Bridge House Dumfries 23 July 1807. Around 1830 he married Helena Davidson (born in Langholm 26 March 1812). It would also be great to get any information about the Bridge House or about Langholm that could be of interest. Sometime after 1832 the couple emigrated to Tasmania. Cheers Janine Tasmania

Hi Allan and all, I keep a note of all Houstons - this is what I have on the ones I used as example. Regards Charles ----------------- Descendants of William HOUSTON Generation No. 1 1. William1 HOUSTON was born 1804 in Kells, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Re 1851 Census. He married Jane DEMPSTER. She was born 1787 in Dalry, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Re 1851 Census. More About William HOUSTON: Occupation: 1851, Agricultural Labourer living at Corse Cattage(856), Balmaclellan, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Child of William HOUSTON and Jane DEMPSTER is: + 2 i. Jean2 HOUSTON, born Abt. 30 Oct 1831 in Kells, Kirkcudbright, Scotland FHL Film 1067975 & 1851 / 1881 Census. Generation No. 2 2. Jean2 HOUSTON (William1) was born Abt. 30 Oct 1831 in Kells, Kirkcudbright, Scotland FHL Film 1067975 & 1851 / 1881 Census. She married (2) James BELFORD Abt. 1850, son of Janet Unknown(BELFORD). He was born 1830 in Kirkcudbright, Scotland. More About Jean HOUSTON: Occupation: Outdoor Worker living at High Street, Kells, Kirkcudbright, Scotland More About James BELFORD: Occupation: Apr 1851, Farm servant at St Marys St., Kirkcudbright More About James BELFORD and Jean HOUSTON: Marriage: Abt. 1850 Children of Jean HOUSTON are: 3 i. Alexander3 HOUSTON, born 21 Mar 1859 in Kells, Near Southerness, Dumfries, Scotland C118681. More About Alexander HOUSTON: Occupation: Carter at Kells 4 ii. Robert HOUSTON, born 21 Mar 1859 in Kells, Near Southerness, Dumfries, Scotland C118681; died Bef. 1863 in Kells, Near Southerness, Dumfries, Scotland. 5 iii. Robert HOUSTON, born 03 Jun 1863 in Kells, Near Southerness, Dumfries, Scotland C118681. More About Robert HOUSTON: Occupation: Agricultural Labourer at Edingham Farm House Urr, Kirkcudbright ( Alex Livingston ) 6 iv. Mary Mundell HOUSTON, born 16 May 1865 in Kells, Near Southerness, Dumfries, Scotland C118681. More About Mary Mundell HOUSTON: Occupation: Domestic Servant at Mains, Kells to William Robb and Family 7 v. Elizabeth HOUSTON, born 15 Sep 1867 in Kells, Near Southerness, Dumfries, Scotland C118681. 8 vi. Catherine HOUSTON, born 15 Sep 1867 in Kells, Near Southerness, Dumfries, Scotland C118681. 9 vii. Margaret McKAY HOUSTON, born 07 Sep 1870 in Dalry, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Re 1881 Census; died 12 Jul 1960 in Auchincruive, Ayr, Scotland. She married James KERR 30 Apr 1890 in Barend, Parton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland; born 11 Nov 1864 in Newbridge, Terregles, Kirkcudbright, Scotland C118801; died 02 Nov 1932 in Glenwhilly Schoolhouse More About James KERR and Margaret HOUSTON: Marriage: 30 Apr 1890, Barend, Parton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Child of Jean HOUSTON and James BELFORD is: + 10 i. William3 BELFORD, born Abt. Sep 1850 in Balmaclellan, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Re 1851 Census. Generation No. 3 10. William3 BELFORD (Jean2 HOUSTON, William1) was born Abt. Sep 1850 in Balmaclellan, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Re 1851 Census. He married Mary MOFFAT. She was born 1852 in Parton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. More About William BELFORD: Occupation: Apr 1881, Agric lab at Farm Cottage, Kirkpatrick Durham Children of William BELFORD and Mary MOFFAT are: 11 i. William Houston4 BELFORD, born 25 Oct 1870 in Dalry, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. 12 ii. John Ferguson BELFORD, born 07 Aug 1872 in Dalry, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. 13 iii. Alexander BELFORD, born 11 Jun 1874 in Kells, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. 14 iv. Margaret BELFORD, born 1876 in Kilpatrick, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. 15 v. Thomas BELFORD, born 1878 in Applegarth, Dumfries, Scotland. 16 vi. Grace BELFORD, born Abt. Feb 1881 in Kilpatrick, Kirkcudbright, Scotland.

Hi Charles and all >From the household that charles used as example, if anyone thinks they have a link to them i wpould lile to hear from them. Regards Allan Lindsay Stranraer

Wilson and Black families in Colvend and Palnackie regarding Looking to connect with MR Dixon Halliday, Invermay, Tatham Rd, Abingdon, member 2162, has sent copies of notes from old family bibles which he inherited from his mother. These concern the descendants of Dixon Wilson BLACK and Mary Tait WILSON, mar. November 1859; the family of George BLACK and Mary RIDDICK, mar. 1849; the children of John Dixon WILSON and Jane GREY in the mid 19th C, all connected to above parishes. My John Black married an Ann Wallace 1830-1845 and I was trying to establish a possible connection if you are still active if your research. Paul Francis #4589 DumGalFHS

http://www.fchrs.com/pages/members/papers/b_o_p.htm There was a regilious census in 1851 but it was about places of worship and not attenders, the above link explains this, though this is about England a similar census was taken in Scotland. Vanessa ________________________________ From: C M Houston <chouston@f2s.com> To: jody allen <fraochale@gmail.com>; D&G Mailing List <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2008 10:52:41 AM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] !851 Church Census Hi Jody plus all, The 1851 Census was not done by Parish Minsters it was a National survey. You will find all the 1851 Census info you need for your class paper  for Dumfries,&  Galloway , which includes Kirkcudbright and Wigtownshire here:- http://www.dgcommunity.net/historicalindexes/census.aspx It is a most wonderful resource that few are aware of and has recently moved ite URL to the above, so those with the old address should change to this one. Typical search page  and output as below Regards Charles ----------- Search the 1851 Census database >>> This project - to transcribe and key into computer the returns of the 1851 Census for all the parishes of Dumfriesshire, Kirkcudbrightshire and Wigtownshire - was begun in 1990 and undertaken by the Friends of the Archives of Dumfries and Galloway and other volunteers, as listed below*. KEY: DMS = Dumfriesshire KBT = Kirkcudbrightshire WGT = WigtownshireThe number at the end of each entry is that of the household within each enumeration district (eg 4/3 means the 3rd household visited in enumeration district 4). * "Friends" and others involved : Mrs Margaret Bold, Mrs Jan Donowho, Mr John Drummond, Mrs Stella Marrs, Miss Viviennne Orr and Mrs Betty Paisley; assisted by : Mrs Deirdre Brown, Mrs Sheila Crossthwaite, Miss Lucy Gibbon, Mrs Margaret Hugo, Miss Andrea Mallaby, Mrs Doreen Morgan, Mrs Margaret Robinson and Mr Alan Sinclair. Grateful thanks are due to the Department of the Registrar General for Scotland and the [former] HMSO for permission to carry out this project. Quick Search Keyword: Advanced Search Surname: Forename: Address: Parish:  Annan Anwoth Applegarth Balmaclellan Balmaghie Borgue Buittle Caerlaverock Canonbie Carsphairn Closeburn Colvend Crossmichael Cummertrees Dalry Dalton Dornock Dryfesdale Dumfries Dunscore Durisdeer Eskdalemuir Ewes Girthon Glasserton Glencairn Gretna Half Morton Hoddam Holywood Hutton Inch Irongray Johnstone Keir Kells Kelton Kirkbean Kirkcolm Kirkconnel Kirkcowan Kirkcudbright Kirkgunzeon Kirkinner Kirkmabreck Kirkmahoe Kirkmaiden Kirkmichael Kirkpatrick Durham Kirkpatrick Fleming Kirkpatrick Juxta Langholm Leswalt Lochmaben Lochrutton Middlebie Minnigaff Mochrum Moffat Morton Mouswald New Abbey New Luce Old Luce Parton Penninghame Penpont Portpatrick Rerrick Ruthwell Sanquhar Sorbie St Mungo Stoneykirk Stranraer Terregles Tinwald Tongland Torthorwald Troqueer Tundergarth Twynholm Tynron Urr Wamphray Wanlockhead Westerkirk Whithorn Wigtown Choose Parish Occupation: Household No:  (format n/n where n is numeric) One Household Search Results     Results 1 to 4 of 4       [Page 1] Name: BELFORD , Jane Address: Corse Cottage(856) Parish: Balmaclellan Relationship: daughter of William Houston Marital Status: married Occupation: FARMER (daughter of) Age: 19 Born: born Kells Kbt Household No: 1/28 Name: BELFORD , William Address: Corse Cottage(856) Parish: Balmaclellan Relationship: grandson of William Houston Marital Status: Occupation: Age: 6 months Born: born Balmaclellan Kb Household No: 1/28 Name: HOUSTON , Jane Address: Corse Cottage(856) Parish: Balmaclellan Relationship: wife of William Houston Marital Status: married Occupation: Age: 64 Born: born Dalry Kbt Household No: 1/28 Name: HOUSTON , William Address: Corse Cottage(856) Parish: Balmaclellan Relationship: head of household Marital Status: married Occupation: LABOURER agricultural Age: 47 Born: born Kells Kbt Household No: 1/28     Results 1 to 4 of 4       [Page 1] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jody plus all, The 1851 Census was not done by Parish Minsters it was a National survey. You will find all the 1851 Census info you need for your class paper for Dumfries,& Galloway , which includes Kirkcudbright and Wigtownshire here:- http://www.dgcommunity.net/historicalindexes/census.aspx It is a most wonderful resource that few are aware of and has recently moved ite URL to the above, so those with the old address should change to this one. Typical search page and output as below Regards Charles ----------- Search the 1851 Census database >>> This project - to transcribe and key into computer the returns of the 1851 Census for all the parishes of Dumfriesshire, Kirkcudbrightshire and Wigtownshire - was begun in 1990 and undertaken by the Friends of the Archives of Dumfries and Galloway and other volunteers, as listed below*. KEY: DMS = Dumfriesshire KBT = Kirkcudbrightshire WGT = WigtownshireThe number at the end of each entry is that of the household within each enumeration district (eg 4/3 means the 3rd household visited in enumeration district 4). * "Friends" and others involved : Mrs Margaret Bold, Mrs Jan Donowho, Mr John Drummond, Mrs Stella Marrs, Miss Viviennne Orr and Mrs Betty Paisley; assisted by : Mrs Deirdre Brown, Mrs Sheila Crossthwaite, Miss Lucy Gibbon, Mrs Margaret Hugo, Miss Andrea Mallaby, Mrs Doreen Morgan, Mrs Margaret Robinson and Mr Alan Sinclair. Grateful thanks are due to the Department of the Registrar General for Scotland and the [former] HMSO for permission to carry out this project. Quick Search Keyword: Advanced Search Surname: Forename: Address: Parish: Annan Anwoth Applegarth Balmaclellan Balmaghie Borgue Buittle Caerlaverock Canonbie Carsphairn Closeburn Colvend Crossmichael Cummertrees Dalry Dalton Dornock Dryfesdale Dumfries Dunscore Durisdeer Eskdalemuir Ewes Girthon Glasserton Glencairn Gretna Half Morton Hoddam Holywood Hutton Inch Irongray Johnstone Keir Kells Kelton Kirkbean Kirkcolm Kirkconnel Kirkcowan Kirkcudbright Kirkgunzeon Kirkinner Kirkmabreck Kirkmahoe Kirkmaiden Kirkmichael Kirkpatrick Durham Kirkpatrick Fleming Kirkpatrick Juxta Langholm Leswalt Lochmaben Lochrutton Middlebie Minnigaff Mochrum Moffat Morton Mouswald New Abbey New Luce Old Luce Parton Penninghame Penpont Portpatrick Rerrick Ruthwell Sanquhar Sorbie St Mungo Stoneykirk Stranraer Terregles Tinwald Tongland Torthorwald Troqueer Tundergarth Twynholm Tynron Urr Wamphray Wanlockhead Westerkirk Whithorn Wigtown Choose Parish Occupation: Household No: (format n/n where n is numeric) One Household Search Results Results 1 to 4 of 4 [Page 1] Name: BELFORD , Jane Address: Corse Cottage(856) Parish: Balmaclellan Relationship: daughter of William Houston Marital Status: married Occupation: FARMER (daughter of) Age: 19 Born: born Kells Kbt Household No: 1/28 Name: BELFORD , William Address: Corse Cottage(856) Parish: Balmaclellan Relationship: grandson of William Houston Marital Status: Occupation: Age: 6 months Born: born Balmaclellan Kb Household No: 1/28 Name: HOUSTON , Jane Address: Corse Cottage(856) Parish: Balmaclellan Relationship: wife of William Houston Marital Status: married Occupation: Age: 64 Born: born Dalry Kbt Household No: 1/28 Name: HOUSTON , William Address: Corse Cottage(856) Parish: Balmaclellan Relationship: head of household Marital Status: married Occupation: LABOURER agricultural Age: 47 Born: born Kells Kbt Household No: 1/28 Results 1 to 4 of 4 [Page 1]

** Go to this website and you will find an online copy of the 1851 report for Scotland on churches and schools: http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser2?ResourceType=Census&ResourceType=Legislation&ResourceType=Essays&ResourceType=Registrar%20General&ResourceType=TNA&SearchTerms=1851%20religious%20census&simple=yes&path=Results&active=yes&titlepos=0&mno=34&pageseq=1 Gordon Johnson.