Hi Valerie, Looking at Hinds and Hinding system, I found the following very useful: An article on ‘Northumbrian Farm Workers’ by Pat Steele (appeared in Northumberland & Durham Family History Society Journal 2006): http://www.thebamburghstephensons.me.uk/resources/Microsoft+Word+-+Northumbrian+Farm+Workers.pdf Definition of ‘Bondagers’ – female farm workers – and their part in hinding system: http://www.northumberlandnationalpark.org.uk/understanding/historyarchaeology/historicvillageatlas/kirknewtonwestnewton/kirknewtonhistory/bondagers.htm An excellent book with lots of detail of the whole hinding system and way of life: ‘Bondagers’ by Diana Iredale (Glendale Local History Society, published 2008) - information here: http://www.berwickshire-news.co.uk/leisure/Dinah-delves-into-history-with.4339494.jp If you can get hold of a copy of the book ‘Farm Servants and Labour in Lowland Scotland’ by T.M.Devine pub 1984, John Donald Publishers Edinburgh, that is the best of all. Best wishes, Lesley ________________________________________ From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valerie Brown [vwbrown08@mac.com] Sent: 09 December 2008 17:31 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] definition I live in the US. Can someone provide a good definition to me of what the "hind system" was? Thanks! ~Valerie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the addressee and may also be privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the addressee, or have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, delete it from your system and do not copy, disclose or otherwise act upon any part of this email or its attachments. Internet communications are not guaranteed to be secure or virus-free. Roehampton University does not accept responsibility for any loss arising from unauthorised access to, or interference with, any Internet communications by any third party, or from the transmission of any viruses. Any opinion or other information in this e-mail or its attachments that does not relate to the business of Roehampton University is personal to the sender and is not given or endorsed by Roehampton University. Roehampton University is a company limited by guarantee incorporated in England under number 5161359. Registered Office: Grove House, Roehampton Lane, London SW15 5PJ. An exempt charity.

Many thanks for ongoing support and suggestions. Thanks to listers we have managed to push one branch of the family (Kenyon - Elizabeth's parents) back to the late 1700's on Bute. Family responsible for first mechanical weaving in Scotland. Lister recommended using Google books for History of Bute and, presto, a wealth of new info. regards: Les H.

Hi If it was an Army marriage then it will be held by the English GRO in a seperate index. These indexes can be viewed at www.findmypast.com this is a pay per view site and will only give you the reference number....then you have to apply for the certificate from the GRO Southport, Mersyside at a cost of £7 regards Anton -------- Original Message -------- > Many thanks to both Gordon and Anton for their useful feedback. > > Cheers > Doug Blackstock > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 5:44 AM, Gordon Johnson <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk>wrote: > > >> Doug said: >> >>> Perhaps you can clarify something that has puzzled me for sometime: >>> >>> I have two marriage entries for William Blackstock and Mary Graham in >>> different parishes but 6 years apart. I'm reasonably sure that both >>> >> entries >> >>> refer to the same couple. The first, recorded in the Stirling parish >>> register in 1806 reads: >>> >>> William Blackstock, priv. Capt Hamilton's Co. R. L. Militia and Mary >>> >> Graham >> >>> of this par. >>> >>> The 2nd, in 1812 in the Dumfries parish register reads: >>> >>> William Blackstock and Mary Graham 2 >>> >>> I presume the '2' in the latter record may mean that it was the 2nd time >>> >> the >> >>> banns had been called. >>> >>> I've always assumed that the reason for the 6 year gap in the two records >>> >> is >> >>> that William was serving in the Militia and that they may have postponed >>> their marriage until he returned to civilian life. >>> >>> Is this a likely explanation? >>> >>> Regards >>> Doug Blackstock >>> >> ** This is a tricky one. There are several possible answers: >> 1. These may be two different couple who happened to have the same names >> (I had an example where both couples were in the same parish around the >> same time, which made the baptismal register look crazy!). You have to >> find something to prove one way or the other whether they were the same >> couple. >> 2. Assuming they are the same couple, they might have had their banns >> called in Stirling, but he was sent off elswhere before they could seal >> the knot. Then when he was more settled, he sent for her and they >> married in Dumfries. >> 3. They MAY have married in Stirling, but for some reason the validity >> of the claimed marriage was challenged at Dumfries,(perhaps the entry at >> Stirling did not make it clear that the marriage had gone ahead) and so >> they went through a marriage ceremony there to make everyone happy. >> You will note that neither entry explicit states that they were married >> on a specific date. This is common with church registers. >> 4. There may be another answer that I haven't brought to mind! >> Gordon. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11300 > http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/ > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11300 http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/

Excellent, Gordon. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Johnson" <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> To: <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] 1851 church census > > ** Go to this website and you will find an online copy of the 1851 > report for Scotland on churches and schools: > http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser2?ResourceType=Census&ResourceType=Legislation&ResourceType=Essays&ResourceType=Registrar%20General&ResourceType=TNA&SearchTerms=1851%20religious%20census&simple=yes&path=Results&active=yes&titlepos=0&mno=34&pageseq=1 > > Gordon Johnson. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1840 - Release Date: 9/12/2551 16:53

Margaret He was Chief cashier in the early decades of the 20th century. That's an interesting position, since it means his signature appears on Bank of England banknotes of the time. Donald ________________________________ From: Iain Hutchison <iain@keapub.fsnet.co.uk> To: Margaret Stantiall <steinthall@xtra.co.nz>; D&G Mailing list <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 11:13:34 PM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Nairn John G Nairn was never Bank of England governor according to this source, Margaret. http://www.bized.co.uk/dataserv/chron/governors.htm Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Stantiall" <steinthall@xtra.co.nz> To: "D&G Mailing list" <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:00 AM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Nairn > > Hello List, > > I hope to find a Sir J. G. Nairn who was a nephew? of Sir Halliday > Macartney > on Halliday's death certificate also as next of kin when Donald Halliday > Macartney enlisted in the Canadian Army in WW1 > > Sir Halliday Macartney was born in Kelton KKD in 1833. and became a Dr. > > . J. G. Nairn lived in London in 1906 and I believe he was the Governer > of > the Bank of England at one time according to an aunt of mine. > > Sir Halliday had died before Donald enlisted , I do know there was an > Isabel > Macartney a sister of Halliday's who married a Nairn but I do not know > which > one. List members have been so helpful, it would be great to find family . > > Thank you for any help . > > Margaret in NZ. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1840 - Release Date: 9/12/2551 16:53 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John G Nairn was never Bank of England governor according to this source, Margaret. http://www.bized.co.uk/dataserv/chron/governors.htm Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Stantiall" <steinthall@xtra.co.nz> To: "D&G Mailing list" <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:00 AM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Nairn > > Hello List, > > I hope to find a Sir J. G. Nairn who was a nephew? of Sir Halliday > Macartney > on Halliday's death certificate also as next of kin when Donald Halliday > Macartney enlisted in the Canadian Army in WW1 > > Sir Halliday Macartney was born in Kelton KKD in 1833. and became a Dr. > > . J. G. Nairn lived in London in 1906 and I believe he was the Governer > of > the Bank of England at one time according to an aunt of mine. > > Sir Halliday had died before Donald enlisted , I do know there was an > Isabel > Macartney a sister of Halliday's who married a Nairn but I do not know > which > one. List members have been so helpful, it would be great to find family . > > Thank you for any help . > > Margaret in NZ. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1840 - Release Date: 9/12/2551 16:53

Sorry for the repeat...I had difficulty posting it originally so perhaps it is resurfacing now... Mary A. Paladin mapc@ptd.net Artist, Author, Illustrator www.marypaladin.com mary@marypaladin.com www.marypaladin.etsy.com -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary A. Paladin Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:11 PM To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Mcdonald, Elliot I am in search of: and it may be listed as MacDonald, McDonald, Macdonald; and Elliot My g'grandfather, Thomas Boyd Mcdonald (b:21 Aug 1876 in Ecclefechan) married Mary Smith Campbell (b: 6 Jul 1879 Thorthorwald d: 30 Oct 1909 Ecclefechan) She died during childbirth, he seems to have 'dissappearred'. He is on 1901 census as estate laborer, in 1909 on my g'aunt Violet's birth certificate he is listed as a motor car driver. We have a photo of him (no date) in a group of, what appears to be, HM Factory Gretna workers. He is sitting in a row with other men and there is a row of women in front of, and behind them. The women all have the Dornack workers badge on their uniforms but the men have no isignia on their coats. His daur, my g'aunt Isabella Scott Mcdonald (b:17 Jun 1899) in Knockburn, Ecclefechan. In 1901 she is listed on the census in Hoddam. No trail after that. Emmigration? Marriage? My g'g'aunt Elizabeth Mcdonald, -sister to Thomas Mcdonald- (b:7 Aug. 1873 in Hoddam). Last record is 1901 census Eskdalemuir, Dumfries. She married Thomas Elliot (b:1868 in Westerkirk) in 1892. He was a shephard in 1892 in Hoddam and in 1901 appeared on 1901 census in Eskdalmuir. They had 3 children: May Elliot(B:abt 1894), John Mcdonald Elliot (b:13 May 1896 d:10 Oct 1918 in Sicily IT) and George (b: abt 1901). Elizabeth and Thomas raised my g'aunt Violet after Mary Smith Campbell died giving birth to Violet Elliot Mcdonald and Margaret Murray Mcdonald (d: 20 Nov 1909), as did 3rd (unborn) triplet. Any leads would be greatly appreciated. Mary Paladin PA; USA Mary A. Paladin mapc@ptd.net <mailto:mapc@ptd.net> Artist, Author, Illustrator www.marypaladin.com <http://www.marypaladin.com/> mary@marypaladin.com <mailto:mary@marypaladin.com> www.marypaladin.etsy.com <http://www.marypaladin.etsy.com/> <mailto:mapc@ptd.net> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Guys There is another possbilitiy If the Stirling entry is a Banns entry and the marriage was abroad with a Military curate....then on their return they were unable to prove the marriage when entering the new parish where their history was not known and nobody could vouch for them...then the minister could, if he was strict, require them to have another ceremony. regards Anton -------- Original Message -------- > Doug said: > >> Perhaps you can clarify something that has puzzled me for sometime: >> >> I have two marriage entries for William Blackstock and Mary Graham in >> different parishes but 6 years apart. I'm reasonably sure that both entries >> refer to the same couple. The first, recorded in the Stirling parish >> register in 1806 reads: >> >> William Blackstock, priv. Capt Hamilton's Co. R. L. Militia and Mary Graham >> of this par. >> >> The 2nd, in 1812 in the Dumfries parish register reads: >> >> William Blackstock and Mary Graham 2 >> >> I presume the '2' in the latter record may mean that it was the 2nd time the >> banns had been called. >> >> I've always assumed that the reason for the 6 year gap in the two records is >> that William was serving in the Militia and that they may have postponed >> their marriage until he returned to civilian life. >> >> Is this a likely explanation? >> >> Regards >> Doug Blackstock >> > > ** This is a tricky one. There are several possible answers: > 1. These may be two different couple who happened to have the same names > (I had an example where both couples were in the same parish around the > same time, which made the baptismal register look crazy!). You have to > find something to prove one way or the other whether they were the same > couple. > 2. Assuming they are the same couple, they might have had their banns > called in Stirling, but he was sent off elswhere before they could seal > the knot. Then when he was more settled, he sent for her and they > married in Dumfries. > 3. They MAY have married in Stirling, but for some reason the validity > of the claimed marriage was challenged at Dumfries,(perhaps the entry at > Stirling did not make it clear that the marriage had gone ahead) and so > they went through a marriage ceremony there to make everyone happy. > You will note that neither entry explicit states that they were married > on a specific date. This is common with church registers. > 4. There may be another answer that I haven't brought to mind! > Gordon. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11300 > http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/ > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11300 http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/

A 'hind' was a farm servant hired at a hiring fair on a one-year contract and provided with a cottage as part of the contract. You'll probably find Farm Servants and Labour in Lowland Scotland, 1770 to 1914 by T.M. Devine. You probably will Neil Oliver's television depiction of Scottish history less so! Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Brown" <vwbrown08@mac.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:31 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] definition > > I live in the US. Can someone provide a good definition to me of what > the "hind system" was? > Thanks! > ~Valerie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1840 - Release Date: 9/12/2551 16:53

In a word: 'No'. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "jose.jones" <jose.jones@wanadoo.fr> To: <LANARK@rootsweb.com>; <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Scottish / English name equivalents > > I was doing so well but now have a glitch! > > As Jessie is to Janet, Beth/Bessie is to Elizabeth, is James a similar > equivalent to John? > > My family mainly originated in Dumfries and Galloway with some popping > over the border to Carlisle to marry. My parents were second cousins > before they married and I thought I had established the connections. > However, yesterday I came across a cross border link and discovered that > my JAMES JOHNSTON was actually JOHN JOHNSTON according to his daughter's > English marriage certificate (August 1900). Although she worked (as a hat > maker) in Carlisle she was born in Scotland and I had always presumed her > father to have been Scottish. Could he have been called James in > Scotland, even though he was referred to as John when he witnessed his > daughter's marriage in England? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1840 - Release Date: 9/12/2551 16:53

I live in the US. Can someone provide a good definition to me of what the "hind system" was? Thanks! ~Valerie

Hello List, I found a Jane McBriar Macartney b. 1844 d. 1862 in Maderia , Portugal, mentioned in a Brunden Family Tree on the Olive Tree site . My Grandmother Mary Stewart Hooks b. Newark in 1862, after her mother died was fostered by a Jane Lammie and her husband John Macartney in Dansville KKD. Jane McBriar Macartney was the daughter of John and Jane Macartney , they also had a son called of course John who died in 1846. I would be very interested in contact with the Brunden families who are related some how to the Macartneys and McBriars .I did have the details about Jane McBriar Macartrney and her mother from an Aunt of mine .But not of the Brunden name. Thank you for any help at all. Margaret in NZ.

I hope to visit Dumfries next May and am trying to organise my research. I would like to know if I need to make any bookings for film or fisch readers and also where I need to look for these records. I am interested in trying to find out the following: When and where my ggg-grandmother died (probably between 1841-1851) as she is listed on the 1841 Census in Trohoughton (hope I have spelt it correctly). The 1851 Census shows her husband as a "widower" in England. I haven't found her in the English Death records. She was born in Kirkcudbrightshire in 1786. Where she was buried. If possible where Nith Lodge was back in the 1890's Burial records for another member of the family who died in 1906 in Dumfries. Any obituary notices in the Dumfries newspapers. Any information on tailors in the Cargensbridge area of Kircudbrightshire between 1841 and 1848, Thank you for any suggestions,Irene _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT

Hello Mary, That's a difficult search for you. You'd almost have to view all the death registrations in Scotland for Thomas McDOnald after 1915 (date HM Factory Gretna started?) There is a passenger arrival record for a Violet E McDOnald Sept 1927 to Quebec Canada , b Ecclefechan, going to sister Mary Gordon of Winnipeg. Sounds like your Violet. Didn't mention her father as the contact but Miss May Elliot on PaisleyRd, West Glasgow. I don't see a passenger arrival record for Isabella in Canada or New York Joanna Waugh > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:37:03 -0500 > From: "Mary A. Paladin" <mapc@ptd.net> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Mcdonald, Elliot > To: <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001b01c9554c$3a2bbc30$6401a8c0@homeoffice> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am in search of: and it may be listed as MacDonald, McDonald, Macdonald; > and Elliot > > My g'grandfather, Thomas Boyd Mcdonald (b:21 Aug 1876 in Ecclefechan) > married Mary Smith Campbell (b: 6 Jul 1879 Thorthorwald d: 30 Oct 1909 > Ecclefechan) She died during childbirth, he seems to have 'dissappearred'. > He is on 1901 census as estate laborer, in 1909 on my g'aunt Violet's birth > certificate he is listed as a motor car driver. > We have a photo of him (no date) in a group of, what appears to be, HM > Factory Gretna workers. He is sitting in a row with other men and there is a > row of women in front of, and behind them. The women all have the Dornack > workers badge on their uniforms but the men have no isignia on their coats. > > His daur, my g'aunt Isabella Scott Mcdonald (b:17 Jun 1899) in Knockburn, > Ecclefechan. In 1901 she is listed on the census in Hoddam. No trail after > that. Emmigration? Marriage? > > My g'g'aunt Elizabeth Mcdonald, -sister to Thomas Mcdonald- (b:7 Aug. 1873 > in Hoddam). Last record is 1901 census Eskdalemuir, Dumfries. She married > Thomas Elliot (b:1868 in Westerkirk) in 1892. He was a shephard in 1892 in > Hoddam and in 1901 appeared on 1901 census in Eskdalmuir. They had 3 > children: May Elliot(B:abt 1894), John Mcdonald Elliot (b:13 May 1896 d:10 > Oct 1918 in Sicily IT) and George (b: abt 1901). Elizabeth and Thomas > raised my g'aunt Violet after Mary Smith Campbell died giving birth to > Violet Elliot Mcdonald and Margaret Murray Mcdonald (d: 20 Nov 1909), as did > 3rd (unborn) triplet. > > Any leads would be greatly appreciated. > Mary Paladin > PA; USA > > Mary A. Paladin > mapc@ptd.net > *

High spot of 30 years of researching was finding my Campbell ancestor .................................hereditary enemy of my husband's maternal MacDonalds !! :-) Irene

No more than a Johnston/e marrying a Maxwell, but in the heat of battle the ardor of passion knows no bounds ;-) Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: <iain@keapub.fsnet.co.uk> To: "Mary A. Paladin" <mapc@ptd.net>; <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Mcdonald, Elliot >A Macdonald and Campbell marrying - bet that caused a few raised eyebrows! > > Iain > > > > > > >> Message Received: Dec 03 2008, 01:37 PM >> From: "Mary A. Paladin" >> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >> Cc: >> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Mcdonald, Elliot >> >> >> I am in search of: and it may be listed as MacDonald, McDonald, >> Macdonald; >> and Elliot >> >> My g'grandfather, Thomas Boyd Mcdonald (b:21 Aug 1876 in Ecclefechan) >> married Mary Smith Campbell (b: 6 Jul 1879 Thorthorwald d: 30 Oct 1909 >> Ecclefechan) She died during childbirth, he seems to have >> 'dissappearred'. >> He is on 1901 census as estate laborer, in 1909 on my g'aunt Violet's >> birth >> certificate he is listed as a motor car driver. >> We have a photo of him (no date) in a group of, what appears to be, HM >> Factory Gretna workers. He is sitting in a row with other men and there >> is a >> row of women in front of, and behind them. The women all have the Dornack >> workers badge on their uniforms but the men have no isignia on their >> coats. >> >> His daur, my g'aunt Isabella Scott Mcdonald (b:17 Jun 1899) in Knockburn, >> Ecclefechan. In 1901 she is listed on the census in Hoddam. No trail >> after >> that. Emmigration? Marriage? >> >> My g'g'aunt Elizabeth Mcdonald, -sister to Thomas Mcdonald- (b:7 Aug. >> 1873 >> in Hoddam). Last record is 1901 census Eskdalemuir, Dumfries. She married >> Thomas Elliot (b:1868 in Westerkirk) in 1892. He was a shephard in 1892 >> in >> Hoddam and in 1901 appeared on 1901 census in Eskdalmuir. They had 3 >> children: May Elliot(B:abt 1894), John Mcdonald Elliot (b:13 May 1896 >> d:10 >> Oct 1918 in Sicily IT) and George (b: abt 1901). Elizabeth and Thomas >> raised my g'aunt Violet after Mary Smith Campbell died giving birth to >> Violet Elliot Mcdonald and Margaret Murray Mcdonald (d: 20 Nov 1909), as >> did >> 3rd (unborn) triplet. >> >> Any leads would be greatly appreciated. >> Mary Paladin >> PA; USA >> >> Mary A. Paladin >> mapc@ptd.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A Macdonald and Campbell marrying - bet that caused a few raised eyebrows! Iain > Message Received: Dec 03 2008, 01:37 PM > From: "Mary A. Paladin" > To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Mcdonald, Elliot > > > I am in search of: and it may be listed as MacDonald, McDonald, Macdonald; > and Elliot > > My g'grandfather, Thomas Boyd Mcdonald (b:21 Aug 1876 in Ecclefechan) > married Mary Smith Campbell (b: 6 Jul 1879 Thorthorwald d: 30 Oct 1909 > Ecclefechan) She died during childbirth, he seems to have 'dissappearred'. > He is on 1901 census as estate laborer, in 1909 on my g'aunt Violet's birth > certificate he is listed as a motor car driver. > We have a photo of him (no date) in a group of, what appears to be, HM > Factory Gretna workers. He is sitting in a row with other men and there is a > row of women in front of, and behind them. The women all have the Dornack > workers badge on their uniforms but the men have no isignia on their coats. > > His daur, my g'aunt Isabella Scott Mcdonald (b:17 Jun 1899) in Knockburn, > Ecclefechan. In 1901 she is listed on the census in Hoddam. No trail after > that. Emmigration? Marriage? > > My g'g'aunt Elizabeth Mcdonald, -sister to Thomas Mcdonald- (b:7 Aug. 1873 > in Hoddam). Last record is 1901 census Eskdalemuir, Dumfries. She married > Thomas Elliot (b:1868 in Westerkirk) in 1892. He was a shephard in 1892 in > Hoddam and in 1901 appeared on 1901 census in Eskdalmuir. They had 3 > children: May Elliot(B:abt 1894), John Mcdonald Elliot (b:13 May 1896 d:10 > Oct 1918 in Sicily IT) and George (b: abt 1901). Elizabeth and Thomas > raised my g'aunt Violet after Mary Smith Campbell died giving birth to > Violet Elliot Mcdonald and Margaret Murray Mcdonald (d: 20 Nov 1909), as did > 3rd (unborn) triplet. > > Any leads would be greatly appreciated. > Mary Paladin > PA; USA > > Mary A. Paladin > mapc@ptd.net > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

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I am in search of: and it may be listed as MacDonald, McDonald, Macdonald; and Elliot My g'grandfather, Thomas Boyd Mcdonald (b:21 Aug 1876 in Ecclefechan) married Mary Smith Campbell (b: 6 Jul 1879 Thorthorwald d: 30 Oct 1909 Ecclefechan) She died during childbirth, he seems to have 'dissappearred'. He is on 1901 census as estate laborer, in 1909 on my g'aunt Violet's birth certificate he is listed as a motor car driver. We have a photo of him (no date) in a group of, what appears to be, HM Factory Gretna workers. He is sitting in a row with other men and there is a row of women in front of, and behind them. The women all have the Dornack workers badge on their uniforms but the men have no isignia on their coats. His daur, my g'aunt Isabella Scott Mcdonald (b:17 Jun 1899) in Knockburn, Ecclefechan. In 1901 she is listed on the census in Hoddam. No trail after that. Emmigration? Marriage? My g'g'aunt Elizabeth Mcdonald, -sister to Thomas Mcdonald- (b:7 Aug. 1873 in Hoddam). Last record is 1901 census Eskdalemuir, Dumfries. She married Thomas Elliot (b:1868 in Westerkirk) in 1892. He was a shephard in 1892 in Hoddam and in 1901 appeared on 1901 census in Eskdalmuir. They had 3 children: May Elliot(B:abt 1894), John Mcdonald Elliot (b:13 May 1896 d:10 Oct 1918 in Sicily IT) and George (b: abt 1901). Elizabeth and Thomas raised my g'aunt Violet after Mary Smith Campbell died giving birth to Violet Elliot Mcdonald and Margaret Murray Mcdonald (d: 20 Nov 1909), as did 3rd (unborn) triplet. Any leads would be greatly appreciated. Mary Paladin PA; USA Mary A. Paladin mapc@ptd.net

I finally found the death of James Howat b. abt. 1813 in Kirkmahoe, Dumfriesshire, m. 1834 in Troqueer, Kirkcudbrightshire to Helen Clark b. abt 1815 in Holywood, d. 1894 in Hurlford, Ayrshire.  She was the dau. of John Clark, ironmonger.   I found this entry under the spelling of Houat, but it was clearly Howat on the certificate.   1867 Deaths in the Parish of Fenwick in the County of Ayr, page 9, No. 25 James Howat (gamekeeper) married to Helen Clark d. 1867, December twentieth, 11h 20m P.M. at Townhead male, ae 53 years son of William Howat, gamekeeper (deceased) & Jean Howat, m.s. Maxwell (deceased) d. of consumption, of several years, No regular medical attendant Informant:  Helen Howat, wife Registered:  1867, December 24, at Fenwick, John Gammit, Registrar