The Times carried the same report on the 28 Apr but included the fact that their correspondent had not been able to obtain the names at the time of writing. I suspect the Australian report was copied from that. J On 8 Jan 2010, at 22:18, Janet wrote: > "A fatal accident of a very disastrous kind occurred on the Solway > Firth on Sunday afternoon, April 26, 1868. Five young men, > employed at Annan, set out from that port in a small boat, rigged > up with a sail, and crossed the Solway Firth to Bowness, on the > Cumberland shore. They reached their destination in safety, and in > the afternoon set out for home with the ebb tide. They had not > proceeded halfway across when it was observed from the shore that > their mast had got wrong and the sail swayed over the side. > Shortly afterwards the boat capsized, and all the five men were > thrown into the sea. Three of them sank almost immediately, being > quite unable to resist the powerful force of the ebbing tide, and > were drowned, but the other two clung to the overturned boat, which > drifted down to the railway bridge which crosses the Firth below > Bowness. There, it is conjectured, the anchor dragged against the > piles of the viaduct, for the boat swung around. The two men, who > were stil! > l clinging to it, made a desperate effort to save themselves, but > the boat filled with water and sank, carrying with it the only two > survivors of the pleasure party, and thus increasing the number of > deaths to five." > > Extracted from the Maryborough Chronicle, Qld., Australia dated > July 23, 1868 > > NOTE: There is no mention of any names in this article. > Janet > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The names of the 5 who died in the accident, given in the Glasgow Herald for 28 Apr 1868 are: Joseph THORBURN, fisher Joseph ROSS and Charles IRVING, nursery labourers George KERR, painter John CONNELL, apprentice painter. I have access to local press coverage of this event via my Chesterfield library membership which gives me free access to Infotrac Newspapers, including many 19th century local papers across the UK and the Times Digital Archive, plus lots of other stuff, like the DNB. So I would think that most other local libraries in the UK would offer this to members, worth finding out. Contact me offlist if you're interested in these folk and want more details. Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield UK Bringing lost ancestors home: www.morganhold.com Free strays database; affordable family research services -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of johnasaul@aol.com Sent: 08 January 2010 22:35 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Cc: jmartin17@gmail.com Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] 5 men from Annan drowned on Solway Firth In a message dated 08/01/2010 22:19:56 GMT Standard Time, jmartin17@optusnet.com.au writes: "A fatal accident of a very disastrous kind occurred on the Solway Firth on Sunday afternoon, April 26, 1868. Five young men, employed at Annan, set out from that port in a small boat, rigged up with a sail, and crossed the Solway Firth to Bowness, on the Cumberland shore ,,,,,,,,,,,,, This is just the sort of report that arouses my curiosity - probably due to being stuck in with the cold weather in the UK. And to think it was reported in an Australian newspaper. Presumably it would also have been reported in the local Dumfries and Galloway newspaper, and possibly with names. Now's one of those times I wish I wasn't at the opposite end of the UK and could take a look at the local newspaper archives. Carol

In a message dated 08/01/2010 22:55:45 GMT Standard Time, celia@morganhold.com writes: The names of the 5 who died in the accident, given in the Glasgow Herald for 28 Apr 1868 are: Joseph THORBURN, fisher Joseph ROSS and Charles IRVING, nursery labourers George KERR, painter John CONNELL, apprentice painter. Thank you so much for this. Curiosity satisfied. Unfortunately I don't live near a library with access to newspapers and tend to forget that some people have this luxury. I just recall a trip some years ago to the library in Annan and all the wonderful newspaper material available. Need to visit again .... but will wait for better weather! Carol

In a message dated 08/01/2010 22:19:56 GMT Standard Time, jmartin17@optusnet.com.au writes: "A fatal accident of a very disastrous kind occurred on the Solway Firth on Sunday afternoon, April 26, 1868. Five young men, employed at Annan, set out from that port in a small boat, rigged up with a sail, and crossed the Solway Firth to Bowness, on the Cumberland shore ,,,,,,,,,,,,, This is just the sort of report that arouses my curiosity - probably due to being stuck in with the cold weather in the UK. And to think it was reported in an Australian newspaper. Presumably it would also have been reported in the local Dumfries and Galloway newspaper, and possibly with names. Now's one of those times I wish I wasn't at the opposite end of the UK and could take a look at the local newspaper archives. Carol

Still trying to get further back on my MENZIES ancestors of Durisdeer, Rigghouse, Enterkinfoot and Crary (Hill). My MENZIES lived at Woodhouselee and over the various census years from 1841 they list several nephews and nieces staying with them, In 1841 an Agnes FINDLATER aged 6 months was with them, in 1851 it was Andrew FINLATER (sic) aged 10 months and William BROWN aged 2 years. Both boys were still there in 1861 – Andrew was born Penpoint, William born Durisdeer. By 1871 there were just Andrew and Agnes MENZIES living there (brother and sister, both unmarried) but a William BROWN aged 22 was living nearby with wife Mary b Ayrshire and daughter Mary born Durisdeer. I have been in contact with someone researching their McMurdo family and they have a Catherine Menzies McMILLAN marrying into this, she was the daughter of Andrew MCMILLAN and Agnes FINDLATER. It is believed that Agnes’s mother was a MENZIES because of this. The McMILLAN family are in Kirkconnell on the 1871 census with children William, Helen and Catherine. By 1881 they had added John, Rachel and Agnes. If anyone has connections to the above families I would be very happy to share the information I have on the MENZIES and FIN(D)LATER families. Dot Dorothy Holden nee MENZIES Dover Kent England There are three things that can never be retrieved- the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity I volunteer for the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness website www.raogk.org

Thomasina SCOTT - Mrs James CREIGHTON (nee Jane Patterson) - Robert SMITH, or COLVIN I have found a lengthy newspaper item (in the Maryborough Chronicle, Qld., Australia) about the murder of Thomasina Scott, daughter of John Scott, shoemaker at the village of Cummertrees, and the murderous assault upon Jane Creighton, by Robert Smith aged about 20, native of Eaglesfield, near Kitlebridge in Dumfriesshire. If anyone would like this information, please contact me jmartin17@gmail.com Janet

It has been a while since I have thrown these names out for trolling, but thought perhaps the new year would bring some luck! I am in search of any info re: Isabella Scott Mcdonald. according to her birth cert. (parish of Hoddam) b: June 17th 1899; Knockburn father: Thomas McDonald, general laborer; b: 21, Aug 1876 in Ecclefechan d:? mother: Mary Smith McDonald (M.S. Campbell); b:6 Jul 1879 in Thorthorwald registered 19 Jun Ecclefechan; Rob't Park, registrar She appearred on the 1901 census in Hoddam Her father, Thomas Boyd Mcdonald dissappearred from any records I have searched, after 1909 when his wife, Mary Smith Campbell died in childbirth. I have a photgraph of him in a group dressed in what is evidently a uniform from the HMS Gretna facility. Any info regarding these individuals (my maternal grandaunt and great grandfather) would be greatly appreciated! Happy 2010 to one and all! Mary A. Paladin

Hi- Good to see the Norman/Viking connection is not always negative- my Hendersons were from Tynron and my Thomsons were Orcadian and one grows weary hearing about the bloodthirsty stereotype of the Norsemen- Please add more to your welcome snippets from the book- cheers Thompson in PEI Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] From: History of the Johnstones 1191-1909 >I have been very fortunate to have been given a copy of "History of the >Johnstones 1191-1909" by C.L. Johnstone. To say that I am finding the book >fascinating would be an understatement. > > As one reads the modern spin on this period in history one is most often > lead to believe that our Border Clan and the Border families were all > slaughterers, blackmailers, reivers, etc. who were never happier than when > they were riding and wreaking havoc upon the countryside. Fortunately > there are some voices from the past who can still talk with us via their > writings about the Scottish side of this time period in history. One such > exerpt follows from page 2: > > "...It was the Border warriors who for centuries preserved Scotland's > integrity and bore the brunt of every invasion, and Camden, writing in the > time of James VI., points out that among these the Johnstouns [sic] were > the most noted. They owed their civilisation, superior in the Middle Ages > to that prevailing in Galloway and the Northern Highland, to the Norman > blood pervading the chief families. The adaptable Normans intermarried > with the natives of the districts where they received lands, and > introduced law, order and a rude justice." > > I will try to post other pieces as I come across them - hopefully others > will find them of interest. > > Good hunting, > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I would just like to let you know that there are lists for the following surnames: BLOXHAM including any variation of spelling, DAVIS-UK concentrating on the DAVIS surname in the United Kingdom, SALT surname including any variations in spelling, TEBBY-AUS-ENG for the discussion of the TEBBY surname including any variation of spelling, INGLESON surname including any variation of spelling and WHITEHOUSE including any variation in spelling. Hello list, If any of you have interest in the names below, Mo, the admin., would appreciate your membership. Tom Welch, admin. D-G list I have just started a roll call on all these lists, so now would be an ideal time to let other list members know of your interests in these surnames. If you would like to subscribe to any of the above just send an email to BLOXHAM-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:BLOXHAM-L-request@rootsweb.com> DAVIS-UK-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:DAVIS-UK-L-request@rootsweb.com> SALT-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:SALT-L-request@rootsweb.com> TEBBY-AUS-ENG-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:TEBBY-AUS-ENG-L-request@rootsweb.com> INGLESON-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:INGLESON-L-request@rootsweb.com> or WHITEHOUSE-L-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:WHITEHOUSE-L-request@rootsweb.com> with the word subscribe in the message subject and message body. Many thanks for your time Mo (admin for the above mentioned lists).

I have been very fortunate to have been given a copy of "History of the Johnstones 1191-1909" by C.L. Johnstone. To say that I am finding the book fascinating would be an understatement. As one reads the modern spin on this period in history one is most often lead to believe that our Border Clan and the Border families were all slaughterers, blackmailers, reivers, etc. who were never happier than when they were riding and wreaking havoc upon the countryside. Fortunately there are some voices from the past who can still talk with us via their writings about the Scottish side of this time period in history. One such exerpt follows from page 2: "...It was the Border warriors who for centuries preserved Scotland's integrity and bore the brunt of every invasion, and Camden, writing in the time of James VI., points out that among these the Johnstouns [sic] were the most noted. They owed their civilisation, superior in the Middle Ages to that prevailing in Galloway and the Northern Highland, to the Norman blood pervading the chief families. The adaptable Normans intermarried with the natives of the districts where they received lands, and introduced law, order and a rude justice." I will try to post other pieces as I come across them - hopefully others will find them of interest. Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay

Looking for contact with anyone researching the FISHER family as follows: James Fisher who married Margaret Goldie in Kirkmahoe on 26.11.1747. Their son James Fisher born 1760 who married Jean or Jane Coutts on 22.1.1781. Their daughter Mary Goldie Fisher christened 1786 at Crossmichael, KKD Mary Goldie Fisher married Robert Lawson and I believe she died between 1841 and 1851. I would love to find out when and where she died and was buried. Irene _________________________________________________________________ Time for change? Find your ideal job with SEEK. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Atl%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahottag%3Achange&_t=757263783&_r=SEEK_tagline&_m=EXT

Sounds like you may have two George Richardsons, born within a year or so of each other & both moved to Canada. May sound like a coincidental stretch, but not all that improbable. You might want to check Canadian sources for the reported death in Canada, which if recorded would prove there were two fellows with the same name -- & might (or might not) also give some background info on the Canadian's family. My wife's family was also Scottish (Roxburghshire), emigrating to Canada abt 1854 with eight of kids born both in Scotland (by first wife, who died on ship or shortly after landing) & another eight or so born in Canada (by second wife). The repetition of first names in multiple branches of the family both in Scotland & in Canada, if at all typical, would make two George Richardsons not at all unlikely. (FWIW the emigrant ancestor's mother was a Richardson from Roxburgh parish -- small world!) Michael F. McCartney Fremont, California dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >Today's Topics: > >   1. DUMFIRES-GALLOWAY/RICHARDSON (Dave Richardson) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:56:36 -0600 >From: "Dave Richardson" <drichardson@westside66.org> >Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFIRES-GALLOWAY/RICHARDSON >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: >    <fc.0119269f078e40210119269f078e4021.78e469d@westside66.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >I am attempting to verify some conflicting information about the birth and >death dates of my great-grandfather George Richardson.  FamilySearch says >he was born in Ruthwell, Dumfrieshire on 20 September, 1828 and died in >Canada in 1855.  However, family records including the inscription on his >tombstone would indicate a much different lifespan.  Family records >indicate he was born 14 June 1829 in Dumfrieshire, moved to Canada in >1854, married Ann Coulthard in 1855, moved to the US in 1856, locating in >Harrison County, Iowa.  He became a prosperous farmer, serving several >terms in the Iowa State Legislature.  He died 19 June, 1918 and  is buried >in Rose Hill cemetery in Missouri Valley, Iowa. >    Our family records regarding  his parents indicate the following; father >= Francis Richardson b. Ruthwell, Dumfrieshire 17 June, 1796 d. 28 July, >1867 and is buried in Cummertrees cemetery. mother = Margaret Coulthard b. >18 December 1798, married 17 June, 1818 in Clarencefield, d. 16 July 1864 >and buried in Clarencefield cemetery.  The similarity in surnames of my >great-grandmother Ann Coulthard and my great-great-grandmother Margaret >Coulthard is intriguing.  I know this is a fairly common surname in >Scotland, nonetheless relsolving this mystery would be appreciated.  Any >information corroborating or otherwise would be appreciated.  I live in >Omaha, Nebtaska USA which is about 25 miles from my great-grandfather's >place of burial in Missouri Valley IA.  Incidentally, I also bear his name. > >Thanks, >George David Richardson IV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to >DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 242 >************************************************* >

I want to express my gratitude for your assistance with my inquiries regarding George Richardson, my great-grandfather. Very interesting and useful information was provided by the following people; Audrey Render, Irene Macleod, Vanessa Dixon, Stuart Laing, Gordon Johnson and Jody Allen. Thanks, George David Richardson IV Omaha, Nebraska, USA

*** Your information from familysearch - merely an INDEX - is that one George Richardson was born (or baptised, which is more common) in 1828, and one George Richardson died in 1855. Unless you access the original records, you cannot relate the one entry to the other. Scottish OPR baptismal registers are not complete, due to a variety of defects, so absence of a baptism (or birth) is not evidence of non-existence. If he moved to Canada in 1854, you should look for him in the 1851 census, probably in Scotland (the Scottish records are in Scotland, England and Wales in England, so watch what site you check). Check his marriage and death certificates in Canada, to ascertain his parents, then compare this with what you can find in Scotland. In Canada you can also look for an obituary, which might help. Hapy hunting! Gordon Johnson. <www.kinhelp.co.uk> dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. DUMFIRES-GALLOWAY/RICHARDSON (Dave Richardson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:56:36 -0600 > From: "Dave Richardson" <drichardson@westside66.org> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFIRES-GALLOWAY/RICHARDSON > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <fc.0119269f078e40210119269f078e4021.78e469d@westside66.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I am attempting to verify some conflicting information about the birth and > death dates of my great-grandfather George Richardson. FamilySearch says > he was born in Ruthwell, Dumfrieshire on 20 September, 1828 and died in > Canada in 1855. However, family records including the inscription on his > tombstone would indicate a much different lifespan. Family records > indicate he was born 14 June 1829 in Dumfrieshire, moved to Canada in > 1854, married Ann Coulthard in 1855, moved to the US in 1856, locating in > Harrison County, Iowa. He became a prosperous farmer, serving several > terms in the Iowa State Legislature. He died 19 June, 1918 and is buried > in Rose Hill cemetery in Missouri Valley, Iowa. > Our family records regarding his parents indicate the following; father > = Francis Richardson b. Ruthwell, Dumfrieshire 17 June, 1796 d. 28 July, > 1867 and is buried in Cummertrees cemetery. mother = Margaret Coulthard b. > 18 December 1798, married 17 June, 1818 in Clarencefield, d. 16 July 1864 > and buried in Clarencefield cemetery. The similarity in surnames of my > great-grandmother Ann Coulthard and my great-great-grandmother Margaret > Coulthard is intriguing. I know this is a fairly common surname in > Scotland, nonetheless relsolving this mystery would be appreciated. Any > information corroborating or otherwise would be appreciated. I live in > Omaha, Nebtaska USA which is about 25 miles from my great-grandfather's > place of burial in Missouri Valley IA. Incidentally, I also bear his name. > > Thanks, > George David Richardson IV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 242 > ************************************************* >

Hi Folks Family Search/IGI is only an index and as with all indexes the original documents must be comsulted! If the FS/IGI entry does not have a source, ie it was submitted by an LDS member, for example, then it should be treated with grear caution till an authentic record is found! Happy New Year Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vanessa Dixon" <vanessal.dixon@btinternet.com> To: "Dave Richardson" <drichardson@westside66.org> Cc: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFIRES-GALLOWAY/RICHARDSON > Be very wary of family records found on FamilySearch, sometimes someone > can latch onto the wrong person and integrate them into their family tree. > One of my ancestors has been treated this way, someone has found a person > with the same name being baptised in Hampshire and put him as the ancestor > of all his Hampshire family, but if you look at the actual record you can > see that he was from Gloucestershire and had only been baptised there as > it was the nearest Presbyterian church, his parents returned to > Gloucestershire afterwards. There is no connection to the Hampshire family > of the same surname, so whoever put the information on the website has the > wrong man and to make matters worse other people of this Hampshire family > are using the wrong information because they are not checking the original > records, have tried to contact them to put them right but none have a > valid email address. > Your family records appear to be well grounded in facts so I would be > inclined to ignore the FamilySearch record, the person they are talking > about is probably a completely different person. > If your ancestor was of a farming family, it wasn't uncommon for them to > marry cousins, especially if they owned property, I have several > incidences in my own tree, to the effect that at one point there is only > one surname for several generations and several branches can be linked > together, thank goodness they moved to England before they became > genetically unviable. > > Vanessa > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dave Richardson <drichardson@westside66.org> > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 27 December, 2008 10:56:36 PM > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFIRES-GALLOWAY/RICHARDSON > > I am attempting to verify some conflicting information about the birth and > death dates of my great-grandfather George Richardson. FamilySearch says > he was born in Ruthwell, Dumfrieshire on 20 September, 1828 and died in > Canada in 1855. However, family records including the inscription on his > tombstone would indicate a much different lifespan. Family records > indicate he was born 14 June 1829 in Dumfrieshire, moved to Canada in > 1854, married Ann Coulthard in 1855, moved to the US in 1856, locating in > Harrison County, Iowa. He became a prosperous farmer, serving several > terms in the Iowa State Legislature. He died 19 June, 1918 and is buried > in Rose Hill cemetery in Missouri Valley, Iowa. > Our family records regarding his parents indicate the following; father > = Francis Richardson b. Ruthwell, Dumfrieshire 17 June, 1796 d. 28 July, > 1867 and is buried in Cummertrees cemetery. mother = Margaret Coulthard b. > 18 December 1798, married 17 June, 1818 in Clarencefield, d. 16 July 1864 > and buried in Clarencefield cemetery. The similarity in surnames of my > great-grandmother Ann Coulthard and my great-great-grandmother Margaret > Coulthard is intriguing. I know this is a fairly common surname in > Scotland, nonetheless relsolving this mystery would be appreciated. Any > information corroborating or otherwise would be appreciated. I live in > Omaha, Nebtaska USA which is about 25 miles from my great-grandfather's > place of burial in Missouri Valley IA. Incidentally, I also bear his name. > > Thanks, > George David Richardson IV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Be very wary of family records found on FamilySearch, sometimes someone can latch onto the wrong person and integrate them into their family tree. One of my ancestors has been treated this way, someone has found a person with the same name being baptised in Hampshire and put him as the ancestor of all his Hampshire family, but if you look at the actual record you can see that he was from Gloucestershire and had only been baptised there as it was the nearest Presbyterian church, his parents returned to Gloucestershire afterwards. There is no connection to the Hampshire family of the same surname, so whoever put the information on the website has the wrong man and to make matters worse other people of this Hampshire family are using the wrong information because they are not checking the original records, have tried to contact them to put them right but none have a valid email address. Your family records appear to be well grounded in facts so I would be inclined to ignore the FamilySearch record, the person they are talking about is probably a completely different person. If your ancestor was of a farming family, it wasn't uncommon for them to marry cousins, especially if they owned property, I have several incidences in my own tree, to the effect that at one point there is only one surname for several generations and several branches can be linked together, thank goodness they moved to England before they became genetically unviable. Vanessa ________________________________ From: Dave Richardson <drichardson@westside66.org> To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 27 December, 2008 10:56:36 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFIRES-GALLOWAY/RICHARDSON I am attempting to verify some conflicting information about the birth and death dates of my great-grandfather George Richardson.  FamilySearch says he was born in Ruthwell, Dumfrieshire on 20 September, 1828 and died in Canada in 1855.  However, family records including the inscription on his tombstone would indicate a much different lifespan.  Family records indicate he was born 14 June 1829 in Dumfrieshire, moved to Canada in 1854, married Ann Coulthard in 1855, moved to the US in 1856, locating in Harrison County, Iowa.  He became a prosperous farmer, serving several terms in the Iowa State Legislature.  He died 19 June, 1918 and  is buried in Rose Hill cemetery in Missouri Valley, Iowa.     Our family records regarding  his parents indicate the following; father = Francis Richardson b. Ruthwell, Dumfrieshire 17 June, 1796 d. 28 July, 1867 and is buried in Cummertrees cemetery. mother = Margaret Coulthard b. 18 December 1798, married 17 June, 1818 in Clarencefield, d. 16 July 1864 and buried in Clarencefield cemetery.  The similarity in surnames of my great-grandmother Ann Coulthard and my great-great-grandmother Margaret Coulthard is intriguing.  I know this is a fairly common surname in Scotland, nonetheless relsolving this mystery would be appreciated.  Any information corroborating or otherwise would be appreciated.  I live in Omaha, Nebtaska USA which is about 25 miles from my great-grandfather's place of burial in Missouri Valley IA.  Incidentally, I also bear his name. Thanks, George David Richardson IV ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am attempting to verify some conflicting information about the birth and death dates of my great-grandfather George Richardson. FamilySearch says he was born in Ruthwell, Dumfrieshire on 20 September, 1828 and died in Canada in 1855. However, family records including the inscription on his tombstone would indicate a much different lifespan. Family records indicate he was born 14 June 1829 in Dumfrieshire, moved to Canada in 1854, married Ann Coulthard in 1855, moved to the US in 1856, locating in Harrison County, Iowa. He became a prosperous farmer, serving several terms in the Iowa State Legislature. He died 19 June, 1918 and is buried in Rose Hill cemetery in Missouri Valley, Iowa. Our family records regarding his parents indicate the following; father = Francis Richardson b. Ruthwell, Dumfrieshire 17 June, 1796 d. 28 July, 1867 and is buried in Cummertrees cemetery. mother = Margaret Coulthard b. 18 December 1798, married 17 June, 1818 in Clarencefield, d. 16 July 1864 and buried in Clarencefield cemetery. The similarity in surnames of my great-grandmother Ann Coulthard and my great-great-grandmother Margaret Coulthard is intriguing. I know this is a fairly common surname in Scotland, nonetheless relsolving this mystery would be appreciated. Any information corroborating or otherwise would be appreciated. I live in Omaha, Nebtaska USA which is about 25 miles from my great-grandfather's place of burial in Missouri Valley IA. Incidentally, I also bear his name. Thanks, George David Richardson IV

Hi Margot and Ian Merry Christmas from Snowy Vancouver Canada. Thanks for your words of wisdom Margot- you are so right about surviving difficult times.Our ancestors made huge sacrifices to make their family life better- mine sailed with 3 children in 1842 from Glasgow to New Zealand.t The family moved from Bute to Glasgow and lived in exreme poverty then the Presbyterian Church sponsored the boat "The Duchess of Argyle"to New Zealand- my ancestor James McIntosh and his wife Christina with their 2 kids plus a one month baby left the bleachworks area of Glasgow to Auckland New Zealand where they produced 3 more children in the clean air of New Zealand- they lived in small huts but they were healthy and happy . I wish you a speedy recovery Ian- we love the wisdom and stories you bring to our special list. All the best Donna Aitken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian A McClumpha" <imchad@freeola.com> To: "D&G List" <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Wigtownshire List" <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Merry Christmas > Ian and I wish all of you a very Merry Christmas and a successful and > healthy New Year. > > > > May we recognize that family and friends are our most valuable assets. May > we also take the time to reflect on the many sacrifices that our ancestors > endured so that we, their descendants could have a better life. We are in > a > recession, one that will bite deep. In researching the ancestral past we > find many examples of endurance and creativity. These examples may be the > key to helping any who have or are suffering during this recession to > endure > or handle their particular situation. > > > > Ian has survived a heart attack and I am especially grateful that we are > spending Christmas together and hopefully many more. Both of us enjoy your > comments and suggestions on the list. Genealogists are warm and caring > people who usually have a great sense of humour. Looking at my family > tree, > I see the need for that humour! > > > > Merry Christmas. > > Margo & Ian McClumpha > > > > > > > > > > Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry > assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Ian and I wish all of you a very Merry Christmas and a successful and healthy New Year. May we recognize that family and friends are our most valuable assets. May we also take the time to reflect on the many sacrifices that our ancestors endured so that we, their descendants could have a better life. We are in a recession, one that will bite deep. In researching the ancestral past we find many examples of endurance and creativity. These examples may be the key to helping any who have or are suffering during this recession to endure or handle their particular situation. Ian has survived a heart attack and I am especially grateful that we are spending Christmas together and hopefully many more. Both of us enjoy your comments and suggestions on the list. Genealogists are warm and caring people who usually have a great sense of humour. Looking at my family tree, I see the need for that humour! Merry Christmas. Margo & Ian McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com