Hi Audrey, There was an Annie in Toxteth Park Lancs and an Ann in Annan. I'll send both to you in an attachment. Hope one is the one you want! Best wishes, Irene B ----- Original Message ----- From: "audrey render" <audrey.render@ntlworld.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:54 AM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] 1881 census lookup >I wonder could someone be kind enough to look up 1881 census for > > Annie Douglas born 1879-80 Annan. For some reason my copy has stopped > working

Hi Audrey. A quick check shows, Ann Douglas. Father John, born Selkirk. Mother Helen, born Cannonbie. Living in Kennedy's Court, Annan. I have the Ancestry version of this if it is of use to you. Can email direct if req. B.J.Rae. ----- Original Message ----- From: "audrey render" <audrey.render@ntlworld.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:54 AM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] 1881 census lookup >I wonder could someone be kind enough to look up 1881 census for > > Annie Douglas born 1879-80 Annan. For some reason my copy has stopped > working > > > > Audrey > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2707 - Release Date: 02/24/10 07:34:00

I wonder could someone be kind enough to look up 1881 census for Annie Douglas born 1879-80 Annan. For some reason my copy has stopped working Audrey

Hello Janet: I'm looking for a Janet Boyes b. 24 Jul 1831, DFS, who died Perth Co., Ontario 10 Dec 1910. Her father was a James Boyes, mother unknown to me. Janet married David P. Blacklock of Applegarth, DFS. He died 17 Jun 1898 at Fullarton, Perth Co., Ontario. They had 12 children, most of them born at Fullarton, Perth Co., Ont. Do you think there might be a connection? Barbara -----Original Message----- >From: Janet Moody <jmoody@nextcom.ca> >Sent: Feb 19, 2010 1:06 PM >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com >Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Boyes - Lochmaben > >Would love to hear if anyone has any information on Margaret Boyes of Lochmaben. She married Samuel Gourlay abt 1840 and emigrated to Perth County, Ontario, Canada between abt 1845. I believe her father to be James Boyes and her mother, Isobel Paxton. Margaret would be my great-great grandmother. Many thanks! > >Janet Moody >Barrie, Ontario, Canada > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ******************************* Always a Detroit Tiger!

Would love to hear if anyone has any information on Margaret Boyes of Lochmaben. She married Samuel Gourlay abt 1840 and emigrated to Perth County, Ontario, Canada between abt 1845. I believe her father to be James Boyes and her mother, Isobel Paxton. Margaret would be my great-great grandmother. Many thanks! Janet Moody Barrie, Ontario, Canada

I came across this in my LKS folder, it was a post to the LKS list in Nov. 2000, it mostly relates to Dumfries....... Regards Jenny ------------------------------------------------------- January 12, 1710, was baptized Christopher COLVERT in Hoddam parish, his eldest daughter Jean The Obligation of Robert GOLDIE in Closeburn parish for and anent his scandall of leaving the Testimony of Christ Jesus and complying with the defections of the present times, and this he did before he could have the benefits of baptism for his child, which is as follows:---I, undersubscriber, out of the sight and sense of my wayes since I left the Meeting, cause and way of God, do hereby testifie against the same and myself for going on therein, and that with reference both to Church and State as now circumstantiated, hereby giving it under my hand to be answerable (if alive) to the first faithfull judicatorie of Church or State capable to judge or determine anent the censure to be inflicted according to the degree of the offence; and both as to hearing such as in duty I was oblidged to hear or joyn with, and some years ago owning and acknowledging the present corrupt magistrates by paying of publick impositions to them, &c. All which I promise to do, or quhatever else can be laid to my charge as censurable or punishable, as witness my hand before these witnesses, John MATHISON and James PATERSON. Sic Subscribitur, Robert GOLDIE; John MATHISON, witness; James PATERSON, witness. at Kirklandhead of Dalgairnoch, April 30, 1709. At ________, January 29, 1711, were baptized John CRECHTON in Glencairn parish, his daughter Katharine; Archibald GLENCROSS in the parish of Closeburn, his eldest daughter Mary; John WATSON in Closeburn parish, his eldest daughter Janet; James MATHISON there, his son Robert: all within the first year of their age. At Birkhill, January 30, 1711, were baptized, Robert DOUGLAS in the parish of Closeburn, her daughter Agnes, born January 15, 1711. John EDGAR in Tinwald parish, his daughter Jean, born October 28, 1709 William BLACK in Tinwald parish, his son John, aged 1 year James COWAN in Kirkmaho, his daughter Jean, born September 25, 1710. Luke FRIZEL there, his daughter Mary, born May 10, 1710; also James CARUTHERS, son to Katherine MUNDELL, Herbert WELLS sponsor. At_________, February 5, 1711, was baptized Robert MUNDELL, his daugher Rebecka, aged 7 months At Burn of Tinwald, February 5, 1711, were married Luke FRIZEL and Mary COWAN; John BARTON and Margaret WELLS; Andrew GLOVER and Isobel BARTON; having all cautioners for their pawns. At Eglefechan, February 1, 1711, were baptized William MATHISON in Lochmeban, his child; Archibald GRIEVE there, his on Robert, born FEbruary 20, 1710.

Jenny wrote: | At Eglefechan, February 1, 1711, were baptized William MATHISON in | Lochmeban, his child; | John Mathison (1747-1802) married 11 December 1771 in Kirkpatrick Fleming Helen Bell (1739-1772). John Currie and John Bell witness. 5 December 1772 birth of Nelay, daughter to John Mathewson in Leverickhal. Bap. at his own hows. (KPF OPR). Does anyone know of any links between these families, please? Rene Anderson

Hi I've just obtained 30 free credits from Scotlandspeople through the following link. http://www.ancestralscotland.com/roots/ I think it may apply as a promotion to people in Australia and New Zealand. A friend alerted me to an on-line ad in the Sydney Morning Herald which only appeared intermittently. Good Luck Ella Ross

Thanks to Ian Anderson for his reply off list with help on my subject. Jenny

Hi Iain, I sent a query to the Glasgow Trades House - Tailors section approx two weeks back........I thought I asked a reasonable question in a very polite manner for someone not living in Scotland (without having records at my finger tips). It was details of a particular name in my father's family I enquired about as well as what type of information was available or what details were required to find someone and did they have any historical information, member's names etc for c1850s. The blunt reply was that they needed more detail, what type of detail??.........if I had already known the details I would not have sent the query! If your ancestor was in Glasgow and plied his trade in Glasgow and you know all their details, what else is available from Trades House ? If he plied his trade outside of Glasgow it is not in their interest. At the same time I asked of two other trades of the 14...........nil reply. Hoping others receive a more informative reply if they enquire of the Trades House. Regards Jenny

Does anyone know when is the first record of the White family in the Applegarth area? I can find nothing earlier than Peter in late 1700s, eventually murdered in 1792. Jim White

Hi Jenny, I appreciate that you are in Australia, Jenny, but it might be worth phoning them to speak to someone to see what they might need and whether you can provide any of it. I have no idea of the extent of the records that Glasgow Trades House might hold, and whether they are catalogued, indexed, digitised, etc. They may only exist as the original primary sources and of course there are many organisations that do not have the staff (notably an archivist) or resources for what they see as offering a research service that might involve a lot of trawling. I have really no idea how Glasgow Trades House might fit into this scenario, but good luck with your endeavours. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Myers" <jenm@exemail.com.au> To: "Iain Hutchison" <iain@keapub.fsnet.co.uk>; "ruth" <rco89791@bigpond.net.au>; <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] TRADE HOUSE OF GLASGOW > > Hi Iain, > > I sent a query to the Glasgow Trades House - Tailors section approx two > weeks back........I thought I asked a reasonable question in a very polite > manner for someone not living in Scotland (without having records at my > finger tips). > > It was details of a particular name in my father's family I enquired about > as well as what type of information was available or what details were > required to find someone and did they have any historical information, > member's names etc for c1850s. > > The blunt reply was that they needed more detail, what type of > detail??.........if I had already known the details I would not have sent > the query! > > If your ancestor was in Glasgow and plied his trade in Glasgow and you > know > all their details, what else is available from Trades House ? If he plied > his trade outside of Glasgow it is not in their interest. > > At the same time I asked of two other trades of the 14...........nil > reply. > > Hoping others receive a more informative reply if they enquire of the > Trades > House. > > Regards > Jenny > >

Anyone know where I would find credentials/affiliation of a master gardener such as Guild records if this applies for the area around 1780-1880? Ruth

For an overview, see the Trades House of Glasgow: http://www.tradeshouse.org.uk/associated_trades/gardeners/Gardeners.asp The 14 craft trades were: Hammermen Tailors Cordiners Maltmen Weavers Bakers Skinners & Glovers Wrights Coopers Fleshers Masons Gardeners Chirurgeons & Barbers Bonnetmakers & Dyers Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "ruth" <rco89791@bigpond.net.au> To: <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:08 AM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] George Couper Master Gardener > > Anyone know where I would find credentials/affiliation of a master > gardener such as Guild records if this applies for the area around > 1780-1880? > > Ruth > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My GG Grandfather was a stone mason from Carnwarth but lived in Ecclefechan, Dumfries shire. He did a lot of research into his family tree in the 1890's when he was in his eighties! He traced links with his family in Illinois and I have a lot of his original correspondence. Most importantly of all, he wrote a book with many additional details of all the family members. Ironically he wrote very little about himself but what he write I quote below: Mary Paterson and John Tennant were married 6 September 1844. A mason to trade from Carnwath upward of Lanarkshire and at that time Masons' wages had fallen to the very low figure of 2/- per day (10p).in 1842 but at that time it took a turn and in 1844 over 16/- per week mainly owing to the dismission of the free church. Manses and Churches to build causing a demand for masons and just following that the Caledonian Railway commenced which raised them to 22/- and 24/- per week. About this time she (his wife Mary Paterson) started a shop for straw bonnets, ribbons etc and adding one thing to another until the trade because over much for her working sometimes up to midnight and sometimes never going to bed at all. So the mason work had to be dropped as the shope[1] was the main thing. About 1849 we[2] shifted from the foot of the old entry to the one in which she was born and had formerly belonged to her Great Grandmother and Grandfather, her mother having been born in it as well as herself but having had to remove from it we bought the present one and by hard work late and early her brother Adam and me built and finished it, slating, plastering, journeying except some doors and windows and time after time adding house after house. It was about 1864 I proposed going to Carlisle and selling Drapery and I had a good few men coming from Carlisle for suits and likewise taking order for men and boys suits and it turned out to be very successful and I had a first class trade. I think this was what better than our home trade I had to be in Carlisle four to five days hard working all the time taking orders. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] Actual spelling [2] this is the first time that he has referred to himself in the first person ----- Original Message ----- From: "jody allen" To: "D&G Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:38 AM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Stone masons > > Can anyone share with me what a stone mason's day might be like in the > early > 1800's in Galloway? ....

Yes, the Disruption of 1843 prompted a building frenzy by the breakaway Free Church, churches, manses and Free Church schools being built with incredible speed and vigour. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jose JONES" <jose.jones@wanadoo.fr> To: "jody allen" <fraochale@gmail.com>; "D&G Mailing List" <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Stone masons > > My GG Grandfather was a stone mason from Carnwarth but lived in > Ecclefechan, > Dumfries shire. He did a lot of research into his family tree in the > 1890's > when he was in his eighties! He traced links with his family in Illinois > and > I have a lot of his original correspondence. Most importantly of all, he > wrote a book with many additional details of all the family members. > Ironically he wrote very little about himself but what he write I quote > below: > > Mary Paterson and John Tennant were married 6 September 1844. A mason to > trade from Carnwath upward of Lanarkshire and at that time Masons' wages > had > fallen to the very low figure of 2/- per day (10p).in 1842 but at that > time > it took a turn and in 1844 over 16/- per week mainly owing to the > dismission of the free church. Manses and Churches to build causing a > demand for masons and just following that the Caledonian Railway commenced > which raised them to 22/- and 24/- per week. About this time she (his wife > Mary Paterson) started a shop for straw bonnets, ribbons etc and adding > one > thing to another until the trade because over much for her working > sometimes > up to midnight and sometimes never going to bed at all. So the mason work > had to be dropped as the shope[1] was the main thing. About 1849 we[2] > shifted from the foot of the old entry to the one in which she was born > and > had formerly belonged to her Great Grandmother and Grandfather, her mother > having been born in it as well as herself but having had to remove from it > we bought the present one and by hard work late and early her brother Adam > and me built and finished it, slating, plastering, journeying except some > doors and windows and time after time adding house after house. > > It was about 1864 I proposed going to Carlisle and selling Drapery and I > had > a good few men coming from Carlisle for suits and likewise taking order > for > men and boys suits and it turned out to be very successful and I had a > first > class trade. I think this was what better than our home trade I had to be > in Carlisle four to five days hard working all the time taking orders. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [1] Actual spelling > > [2] this is the first time that he has referred to himself in the first > person > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jody allen" > To: "D&G Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:38 AM > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Stone masons > > >> >> Can anyone share with me what a stone mason's day might be like in the >> early >> 1800's in Galloway? .... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jody, There were several quarries around the area. See the Gazetteer for Scotland with details of Craignair granite quarry at Dalbeattie. http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/towns/townfirst348.html Hence most of the buildings, walls and gravestones in Dalbeattie and Castle Douglas are granite! Most of those in Dumfries are red sandstone from Locharbriggs. Cheers, Kenny Freecen coordinator for Kirkcudbrightshire -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jody allen Sent: 02 February 2010 04:38 To: D&G Mailing List Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Stone masons Can anyone share with me what a stone mason's day might be like in the early 1800's in Galloway? My 3xgrandfather was a stone mason and I would like to know what he did. Were there any large construction going on in the 1820-1840's in Kirkcudbright, Drumfries or Wigtown that would need a lot of stone masons? I am hoping to find some records of the work he did but need to know other than doing headstones what a stone mason might have done. Also interested what a joiner would do? Were they basically independent and were hired for jobs or did they work for a "union" and were called to work on jobs. I am just looking for sources of information in other sources rather than the Vital Statistics and kirk session records. Jody -- Jody Allen, Scottish Scribbles Blog http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2662 - Release Date: 02/01/10 12:37:00

I'd be interested in this too as I have a gtgtgrandfather - John GILMOUR - whose daughter gave his occupation as stonemason on her marriage certificate. She was born in Lanark, LAK about 1848. Dorothy Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Stone masons Can anyone share with me what a stone mason's day might be like in the early 1800's in Galloway? My 3xgrandfather was a stone mason and I would like to know what he did. Were there any large construction going on in the 1820-1840's in Kirkcudbright, Drumfries or Wigtown that would need a lot of stone masons? I am hoping to find some records of the work he did but need to know other than doing headstones what a stone mason might have done. Jody

Hi Harrison In the days before tarmacadam men were employed to break stones for making and repairing roads. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Harrison McKnight Sent: 02 February 2010 15:21 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] James Ritchie, Kirkconnel "Stone Breaker" Hi All, I am enjoying the interesting discussion about Stone Masons. One man in our line is James Ritchie, born 1809, listed in the 1851 and 1871 censuses as living in Kirkconnel with the occupation of "Stone Breaker." Any thoughts on: 1. what exactly a Stone Breaker did, and 2. where it is most likely that a Kirkconnel Stone Breaker would be working? 3. any records related to that place of employment? Harrison McKnight Michigan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a misunderstanding. The "masons" who were part of a masonic lodge were NOT stonemasons, but members of a secret society, the Freemasons. Gordon On 02/02/2010 08:02,Jenny wrote: > Another resouce is the Grand Lodge of Scotland, locate a Lodge close to > where your ancestors lived, see if it is still a 'working Lodge', if so they > often have historical information available. >