Hi Listers With the Campbell listing I thought I would ask the question. Does anyone have any person with the surname Campbell Mac Taggart/Mc Taggart. I am trying to trace my Great Great Great Grandmother Isabella Campbell Mac Taggart who came to Australia from Twynholm. I know nothing else about her except she married John Rigg (I have the 1838 wedding info). Maybe there are some others in the area with the same surname. Campbell Mac Taggart was on her death certificate here in Australia. Thanks Pat AUSTRALIA

Hi Hugh Just to keep the record straight. The link you posted lists only 17 gravestones in Pennersaughs. The DGFHS booklet lists 74. There still isn't any Romes (or variants) but there are two mentioned in Carruthers graveyard in the same booklet. Janet Rome, spouse to Charles Hyslop died 11th March 1844 aged 50. Also other Hyslops. Andrew Rome, Joiner n Hoddam died 2nd March 1832 age 33. his wife, Mary Bell died at Ayr, Canada West, 3rd September 1867 aged 69. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Hugh Preacher Sent: 02 April 2010 17:59 To: 'Margaret Rome'; dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Pennersaughs Burial Ground This what you are looking to confirm. No Rome or Roome http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~scottish/indexpenner.html -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Rome Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:43 AM To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Pennersaughs Burial Ground Hello, Would some kind soul with the list of burials at Pennersaughs Burial Ground please check to see if there is a ROME or ROOME listed? Many thanks, Margaret Rome ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I am new to this list and this is probably a tall order but I was hoping to find a male CAMPBELL person, working in Thornhill 1871. This is the story. I have some letters dated from 1871 to 1884. The letters are not complete but in the 1871 letter my John Campbell who was living in Kilmarnock at the time talked about someone ,siblings of his then housekeeper Agnes Campbell who he married in 1872. This person was working for himself in Thornhill and doing very well. His name could be John b 1837 at Irvine , Ayrshire, because my John states that Matthew b 1832 isn't doing as well. Also this person has three children at this point. No names mentioned, Annie, one of Agnes' sisters was married to a William Graham, and Maggie married David Millar.....I have a cousin in the USA descended from this family. I hope someone can offer some help Many thanks Chris

This what you are looking to confirm. No Rome or Roome http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~scottish/indexpenner.html -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Rome Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:43 AM To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Pennersaughs Burial Ground Hello, Would some kind soul with the list of burials at Pennersaughs Burial Ground please check to see if there is a ROME or ROOME listed? Many thanks, Margaret Rome ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Chris I should add that the family are living at 19 West Morton Street, Thornhill, and John’s occupation is a Master Plasterer, employing two men. They have a lodger in the house, William Henry, a saddler, age 21, from Borgue, Kirkcudbrightshire. Stan

Hi Chris I think Thornhill was in Morton by Thornhill parish The following names are coming up in the 1871 census The first one looks good John Campbell born circa 1838 Irvine, Ayrshire Jean Campbell born circa 1839 Douglas, Lanarkshire Mary Campbell born circa 1867 Catrine, Ayrshire George A Campbell born circa 1869       Morton, Dumfriesshire Marion Campbell born circa 1796 Penpont, Dumfriesshire James Campbell born circa 1803 Drysdale, Dumfriesshire Ann Campbell born circa 1807 Durrisdeer, Dumfriesshir Mary Campbell born circa 1834 Morton, Dumfriesshire Jennet Campbell born circa 1840 New Cumnock, Ayrshire Margt Campbell born circa 1840 Penpont, Dumfriesshire Mary Campbell born circa 1840 Morton, Dumfriesshire Robert Campbell born circa 1840 Morton, Dumfriesshire Robert Campbell born circa 1864 Morton, Dumfriesshire Hugh Campbell born circa 1867 Morton, Dumfriesshire John Campbell born circa 1838 Irvine, Ayrshire, is married to Jean born circa 1839 Douglas, Lanarkshire. These are their children Mary Campbell born circa 1867 Catrine, Ayrshire George A Campbell born circa 1869       Morton, Dumfriesshire Kind regards Stan On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Goldstraw <goldies@westvic.com.au> wrote: > Hi, > > I am new to this list and this is probably a tall order but I was hoping to > find a male CAMPBELL person, working in Thornhill  1871. > > This is the story. I have some letters dated from 1871 to 1884. The letters > are not complete but in the 1871 letter my John Campbell who was living in > Kilmarnock at the time talked about someone ,siblings of his then > housekeeper Agnes Campbell who he married in 1872. This person was working > for himself in Thornhill and doing very well. His name could be John b 1837 > at Irvine , Ayrshire, because my John states that Matthew b 1832 isn't doing > as well. Also this person has three children at this point. No names > mentioned, > > Annie, one of Agnes' sisters was married to a William Graham, and Maggie > married David Millar.....I have a cousin in the USA descended from this > family. > > I hope someone can offer some help > > Many thanks > Chris > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, Would some kind soul with the list of burials at Pennersaughs Burial Ground please check to see if there is a ROME or ROOME listed? Many thanks, Margaret Rome

Hi Tony Pennersaughs burial ground is just under a mile from Ecclefechan on the Middlebie road. Monumental inscriptions are included with the Middlebie booklet sold by DGFHS. No mention of James Byers though. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tony Burton Sent: 31 March 2010 19:14 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Pennersaughs Burial Ground Hello List, Pennersaughs Burial Ground. Hope I've spelt it right. Does anyone know a) where it is ? (possibly nr Annan). b) Is it still there ? c) If not is there a list of who was burried there ? Looking for further family details of a James BYERS, died age 53, in English St, Annan, buried in the above cemetry. Best wishes, Tony. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, Pennersaughs Burial Ground. Hope I've spelt it right. Does anyone know a) where it is ? (possibly nr Annan). b) Is it still there ? c) If not is there a list of who was burried there ? Looking for further family details of a James BYERS, died age 53, in English St, Annan, buried in the above cemetry. Best wishes, Tony.

Many thanks to all who responded to my query - most interesting and helpful comments, Tony

Hi I think it is a mistake by the session clerk or the minister ...whoever was filling in the register. I think he wrote Janet and then remembered it was Jane and changed it. Registers were filled some time after the ceremony .... notes were kept on pieces of paper and then transferred into the register.The crunch is the Jane and Janet both in the 1841 census and therefore alive at the same time. Families in the south of Scotland did not normally have two children with the same name alive at the same time. (that does not apply in the highlands and island) Irene

And Jean and Jennet. Judy On 26 Mar 2010, at 01:05, nnorth@iinet.net.au wrote: > I have a number of Janets in my family line. However the same one can > be recorded as Janet in one document and then Jane in another. I > always go to the originals not the transcripts. I simply regard them > as the same name. Perhaps it was a case of "plain Jane" or "fancy > Janet" ? > Neil > Perth, Aus > > On 25 Mar 2010 at 18:21, S R Walker wrote: > >> >> Various agencies transcribe the entry as "Janet," and some of you >> agree that >> this is the name, but I have personally examined a photocopy of >> the parish >> record, which is ambiguous at best, but I am thinking the name is >> actually >> Jane. >> > > *I a^m cl24ng my k*ey9b0$rd > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a number of Janets in my family line. However the same one can be recorded as Janet in one document and then Jane in another. I always go to the originals not the transcripts. I simply regard them as the same name. Perhaps it was a case of "plain Jane" or "fancy Janet" ? Neil Perth, Aus On 25 Mar 2010 at 18:21, S R Walker wrote: > > Various agencies transcribe the entry as "Janet," and some of you agree that > this is the name, but I have personally examined a photocopy of the parish > record, which is ambiguous at best, but I am thinking the name is actually > Jane. > *I a^m cl24ng my k*ey9b0$rd

Its a common problem Tony. The same forenames were used and reused over generations and consequently became very common in particular families. An additional problem with the Bells is that they were a very large clan in Dumfriesshire at one time. If you google "Bells of Middlebie" you will find many references. Neil On 25 Mar 2010 at 21:04, Tony Burton wrote: > Hello List, I'm a new boy to your list researching 4th Gt Grandparents, James Byers, b. Wamphray 1829 and Janet Bell b. Kirklandrigg, Dalton 1829. > > While researching Janet BELL I discovered, what to me is the amazing fact, that in the relatively short 8 year period from 1827 - 1834 there were no less than 22 different families named BELL in Dumfries-shire alone who all christened a daughter 'Janet'. And this does not, of course, take account of other BELL familys who may have christened a child by another name. Can anyone please assist me by providing an explanation for this very large preponderance of the surname BELL in this area? Best wishes to all, Tony. > *I a^m cl24ng my k*ey9b0$rd

My husband's BIER's lived in the Borgue, Kirkcudbright area, do you think there might be a connection? Sandy > > On 25 Mar 2010, at 21:04, Tony Burton wrote: > >> Hello List, I'm a new boy to your list researching 4th Gt >> Grandparents, James Byers, b. Wamphray 1829 and Janet Bell b. >> Kirklandrigg, Dalton 1829.

Nor does it take account of all the BELL families who had a daughter called Janet who is not recorded in the OPRs. 22 families - or even 50 - doesn't seem like a lot to me though. Judy On 25 Mar 2010, at 21:04, Tony Burton wrote: > Hello List, I'm a new boy to your list researching 4th Gt > Grandparents, James Byers, b. Wamphray 1829 and Janet Bell b. > Kirklandrigg, Dalton 1829. > > While researching Janet BELL I discovered, what to me is the > amazing fact, that in the relatively short 8 year period from 1827 > - 1834 there were no less than 22 different families named BELL in > Dumfries-shire alone who all christened a daughter 'Janet'. And > this does not, of course, take account of other BELL familys who > may have christened a child by another name. Can anyone please > assist me by providing an explanation for this very large > preponderance of the surname BELL in this area? Best wishes to > all, Tony. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, I'm a new boy to your list researching 4th Gt Grandparents, James Byers, b. Wamphray 1829 and Janet Bell b. Kirklandrigg, Dalton 1829. While researching Janet BELL I discovered, what to me is the amazing fact, that in the relatively short 8 year period from 1827 - 1834 there were no less than 22 different families named BELL in Dumfries-shire alone who all christened a daughter 'Janet'. And this does not, of course, take account of other BELL familys who may have christened a child by another name. Can anyone please assist me by providing an explanation for this very large preponderance of the surname BELL in this area? Best wishes to all, Tony.

Hi all Firstly, a very big thank you to all who replied to me on and off the list, including Marg McFarlane, Jody Allen, Irene Macleod, Audrey Render and Kay McMeekin. Sorry for the delay but I have been discussing your findings, and exploring other avenues, with other family members off list. Secondly, in replying, I am also aware that I am recording these findings for future researchers on the internet who may be investigating the same family. It would appear that Jane Lidderdale was baptised 11 September 1822 at Graitney, Dumfriesshire, and was the daughter of James Lidderdale and Janet Gordon. Various agencies transcribe the entry as "Janet," and some of you agree that this is the name, but I have personally examined a photocopy of the parish record, which is ambiguous at best, but I am thinking the name is actually Jane. The name is obscured by a frustrating smudge or blot which has been interpreted by transcribers as a "t" but several of us off list with a personal family interest are not convinced since the slant of the mark under the smudge does not look like that of the other "t"s on the parish record page. Jane's family has been found at Gretna in the censuses of 1841 through 1871, but sometimes the family surname is recorded and/or transcribed as Lauderdale or Liddesdale. The family now appears on the Lidderdale family tree website here http://www.lidderdale.com/wig_003.html Which brings me to other evidence to support the name being Jane and not Janet. In the 1851 census there is a daughter Janet Lidderdale aged 13 years (born c1838) which lines up exactly with the 3 years old Janet Lauderdale in the 1841 census. It would appear that this is the Janet Lidderdale baptised 20 February 1842 at Graitney, Dumfriesshire. But in the 1841 census there is also a Jane Lauderdale aged 15 years but we must remember that the ages of those aged 15 and over were rounded down to the nearest 5 years in this census, therefore this is probably the Jane Lidderdale baptised 11 September 1822 at Graitney, Dumfriesshire. The point being made is that it is surely highly unlikely that there would have been two daughters named Janet alive at the same time in 1841? I would appreciate some critical analysis or rebuttal of the points I have made above, particularly from those who think the name is Janet, before I move on to discuss the married identity of this Jane Lidderdale. At this point I need to declare my interest which could well cause me to be biased and not impartial. For several years I have been searching for an elusive Jane Lidderdale in my family tree who is living in north Cumberland, bordering Scotland, just 14 miles from Gretna, in the 1861 through 1891 censuses which frustratingly gives her birthplace as "Scotland". The only other two Jane Lidderdales born in Scotland around this time are both fully accounted for, but are not mine. So, I could be desperate for a result and would appreciate some critical input to keep me balanced. Finally, where do I need to go to physically inspect the original baptismal parish record with a magnifying glass? Kind regards Stan Walker ------------------------------- From: Stanley R Walker [mailto: minnigaff@googlemail.com] Sent: 11 March 2010 11:00 AM To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Jane Lidderdale c1824 Gretna I am a new kid on the block. My Galloway credentials are I was born at Cresswell Maternity Hospital, Dumfries, whilst my parents were resident at Gatehouse of Fleet. We also lived at Creebridge, Minnigaff. My mother and sister are buried in Newton Stewart Cemetery, Saint Couan's Road, which I visit regularly if anyone wants a gravestone checked. I need assistance in finding the birth/baptism record of Jane Lidderdale/Lauderdale born circa 1823/1826 at Gretna/Graitney, daughter of James Lidderdale/Lauderdale and Janet Gordon. Where should I start? Any assistance would be much appreciated. Kind regards Stan Walker ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The following email is the resultStan, of Stan having sent me a copy of the register and me looking at it in Photoshop. I feel that it is self-explanatory. "The image has a very low resolution of only 96 pixels/inch, and it starts to break down at 200% magnification. When I do this myself I prefer to work at 600 dpi which many consider to be overkill, but it allows me to view the images at 600% magnification nicely. When I took it up to 400% magnification it appears that there may have been an attempt to either add a "t" which was then crossed out or write a middle initial which was then crossed out. As I look at the "e"s in other words the writer continues onto the next letter without any break; however, one can see what appears to be a break at the end of the "e" in her name. Let me see if I can isolate this at 400% magnification and attach it...OK, I made 2 copies at 400% magnification. On the second one I circled what appears to be a break at the end of the letter "e". Do you agree with me on this? I also increased the size of the crop to 8"x10" to make it easier to view. Good hunting," To which Stan replied: "Thanks for your hard work, much appreciated. I hadn't thought of the middle initial idea, but that is something to consider. Could be a I agree with you that there appears to be a break at the end of the "e". Whatever comes after the "e" appears to be foreign to the natural flow of the writer. Whatever it is, seems to slope to the left rather than to the right. Most bizarre. It is almost as if the writer originally wrote the word "James" (the father's name) and then attempted to cross out the "s". I think the only solution is for me to see the original, even if just for a 96 pixels/inch photo shot for you to examine! By all means publish your thoughts to the list. Kind regards" Good hunting to all, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> To: "S R Walker" <minnigaff@googlemail.com>; <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Jane Lidderdale c1822 Gretna > Stan, > > I have found sometimes that I've been able to take a color photograph of a > document, take it into Photoshop and be able to deterimine what the letter > in question may be. If I can be of help to you, let me know. I've got > Photoshop and am willing to take a look at it for you. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "S R Walker" <minnigaff@googlemail.com> > To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:21 PM > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Jane Lidderdale c1822 Gretna > > >> Hi all >> >> >> >> Firstly, a very big thank you to all who replied to me on and off the >> list, >> including Marg McFarlane, Jody Allen, Irene Macleod, Audrey Render and >> Kay >> McMeekin. Sorry for the delay but I have been discussing your findings, >> and >> exploring other avenues, with other family members off list. >> >> >> >> Secondly, in replying, I am also aware that I am recording these findings >> for future researchers on the internet who may be investigating the same >> family. >> >> >> >> It would appear that Jane Lidderdale was baptised 11 September 1822 at >> Graitney, Dumfriesshire, and was the daughter of James Lidderdale and >> Janet >> Gordon. >> >> >> >> Various agencies transcribe the entry as "Janet," and some of you agree >> that >> this is the name, but I have personally examined a photocopy of the >> parish >> record, which is ambiguous at best, but I am thinking the name is >> actually >> Jane. >> >> >> >> The name is obscured by a frustrating smudge or blot which has been >> interpreted by transcribers as a "t" but several of us off list with a >> personal family interest are not convinced since the slant of the mark >> under >> the smudge does not look like that of the other "t"s on the parish record >> page. >> >> >> >> Jane's family has been found at Gretna in the censuses of 1841 through >> 1871, >> but sometimes the family surname is recorded and/or transcribed as >> Lauderdale or Liddesdale. The family now appears on the Lidderdale >> family >> tree website here >> >> http://www.lidderdale.com/wig_003.html >> >> >> >> Which brings me to other evidence to support the name being Jane and not >> Janet. >> >> >> >> In the 1851 census there is a daughter Janet Lidderdale aged 13 years >> (born >> c1838) which lines up exactly with the 3 years old Janet Lauderdale in >> the >> 1841 census. It would appear that this is the Janet Lidderdale baptised >> 20 >> February 1842 at Graitney, Dumfriesshire. >> >> >> >> But in the 1841 census there is also a Jane Lauderdale aged 15 years but >> we >> must remember that the ages of those aged 15 and over were rounded down >> to >> the nearest 5 years in this census, therefore this is probably the Jane >> Lidderdale baptised 11 September 1822 at Graitney, Dumfriesshire. >> >> The point being made is that it is surely highly unlikely that there >> would >> have been two daughters named Janet alive at the same time in 1841? >> >> I would appreciate some critical analysis or rebuttal of the points I >> have >> made above, particularly from those who think the name is Janet, before I >> move on to discuss the married identity of this Jane Lidderdale. >> >> At this point I need to declare my interest which could well cause me to >> be >> biased and not impartial. For several years I have been searching for an >> elusive Jane Lidderdale in my family tree who is living in north >> Cumberland, >> bordering Scotland, just 14 miles from Gretna, in the 1861 through 1891 >> censuses which frustratingly gives her birthplace as "Scotland". The >> only >> other two Jane Lidderdales born in Scotland around this time are both >> fully >> accounted for, but are not mine. >> >> So, I could be desperate for a result and would appreciate some critical >> input to keep me balanced. >> >> Finally, where do I need to go to physically inspect the original >> baptismal >> parish record with a magnifying glass? >> >> Kind regards >> >> Stan Walker >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> From: Stanley R Walker [mailto: minnigaff@googlemail.com] >> Sent: 11 March 2010 11:00 AM >> To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Jane Lidderdale c1824 Gretna >> >> >> >> I am a new kid on the block. My Galloway credentials are I was born >> at Cresswell Maternity Hospital, Dumfries, whilst my parents were >> resident at Gatehouse of Fleet. >> >> We also lived at Creebridge, Minnigaff. My mother and sister are >> buried in Newton Stewart Cemetery, Saint Couan's Road, which I visit >> regularly if anyone wants a gravestone checked. >> >> I need assistance in finding the birth/baptism record of Jane >> Lidderdale/Lauderdale born circa 1823/1826 at Gretna/Graitney, >> daughter of James Lidderdale/Lauderdale and Janet Gordon. >> >> Where should I start? >> >> Any assistance would be much appreciated. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Stan Walker >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> <mailto:DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com> >> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 05:04 PM 3/25/2010, Tony Burton wrote: >Hello List, I'm a new boy to your list researching 4th Gt >Grandparents, James Byers, b. Wamphray 1829 and Janet Bell b. >Kirklandrigg, Dalton 1829. > >While researching Janet BELL I discovered, what to me is the amazing >fact, that in the relatively short 8 year period from 1827 - 1834 >there were no less than 22 different families named BELL in >Dumfries-shire alone who all christened a daughter 'Janet'. And >this does not, of course, take account of other BELL familys who may >have christened a child by another name. Can anyone please assist >me by providing an explanation for this very large preponderance of >the surname BELL in this area? Best wishes to all, Tony. > Tony, I think we all discover that the surnames we are searching in the records are more common than we ever thought. I have Dobies coming out of the woodwork in Dumfries and despair of ever sorting them out. If you want even more Byers and Bell info, both with connections to my Dobie family, please see this page on my genealogy website: <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cdobie/g-gracie.htm> Cheers, Charles Dobie