I have uploaded some photos I took of St. Johns Street and the Parish Church in Creetown in 2007, here is the link http://www.flickr.com/photos/16717264@N03/sets/72157623715810539/ Vanessa    All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone!

Hello All! I was wondering if anyone would perhaps be able to point me in the right direction of locating someone in the Kirkmabreck/Creetown area who I could contact re. the history of an old local house, Hill of Burns, which is now a home offering self-contained accommodation. My Hughan family had a long connection with the property Burns Park, Creetown, in the 18th century- my g-g-g grandfather Robert Alexander Hughan was born there in c. 1795, to parents Alexander Hughan and Agnes Herries. The earliest record I can find with an association with 'Burns' are three Kirkmabreck baptisms of Alexander, Patrick and Andrew Heuchan, sons of "Alexander Heuchan in Burns", in 1718, 1721 and 1726 respectively, although there are records of Heuchans in the area in the 1600s. Andrew Heuchan/Hughan of Creetown makes mention of the "park called Burns" in regard to a heritable bond in his will of 1809, and in the New Statistical Account of Scotland:Kirkcudbright in 1845, it is noted that "Hill House, the property of Thomas Hughan Esq, of Airds, is a very substantial building." Even now I believe there is a suite at Hill of Burns called the Thomas Hughan Suite. I am desperately keen to obtain some sort of history of this old home, and being unable to find a published account I guess the only thing to do now is find a local historian to ask questions of. I would very much appreciate any suggestions- I am in central west NSW, Australia, so planning a weekend visit to Kirkcudbright is not on the near horizon (unfortunately!) Many thanks, Jen

Hi Jen I have just spoken to Sheila Mackenzie [+441671 820487] who lives at Hill of Burns and she advises the house was once called “The Hill.” She knows of the association with the family name Hughan. She recommended speaking to the Creetown Heritage Museum as they have a local history group http://www.creetown-heritage-museum.com/index.html I found these items on the internet: WGD77/1 Creetown, The Hill. Basement, ground and first floor plans. Titled: ' "The Hill" Creetown. Alterations & Additions: Drawing No 1'. Insc: '35 Frederick Street Edinr Novr 1901.' RCAHMS collection Dunn and Findlay http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search_item/index.php?service=RCAHMS&id=63308 http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search_item/index.php?service=RCAHMS&id=211160 Kind regards Stan On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Jen Lamond <sheridanallstate@bigpond.com>wrote: > Hello All! I was wondering if anyone would perhaps be able to point me in > the right direction of locating someone in the Kirkmabreck/Creetown area who > I could contact re. the history of an old local house, Hill of Burns, which > is now a home offering self-contained accommodation. My Hughan family had a > long connection with the property Burns Park, Creetown, in the 18th century- > my g-g-g grandfather Robert Alexander Hughan was born there in c. 1795, to > parents Alexander Hughan and Agnes Herries. The earliest record I can find > with an association with 'Burns' are three Kirkmabreck baptisms of > Alexander, Patrick and Andrew Heuchan, sons of "Alexander Heuchan in Burns", > in 1718, 1721 and 1726 respectively, although there are records of Heuchans > in the area in the 1600s. Andrew Heuchan/Hughan of Creetown makes mention of > the "park called Burns" in regard to a heritable bond in his will of 1809, > and in the New Statistical Account of Scotland:Kirkcudbright in 1845, it is > noted tha! > t "Hill House, the property of Thomas Hughan Esq, of Airds, is a very > substantial building." Even now I believe there is a suite at Hill of Burns > called the Thomas Hughan Suite. > I am desperately keen to obtain some sort of history of this old home, > and being unable to find a published account I guess the only thing to do > now is find a local historian to ask questions of. I would very much > appreciate any suggestions- I am in central west NSW, Australia, so planning > a weekend visit to Kirkcudbright is not on the near horizon (unfortunately!) > Many thanks, Jen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many thanks to those who replied to my recent post, as always great folk with lots of great knowledge:-) Cheers Jim Patterson -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Patterson Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 4:45 PM To: KIRKCUDBRIGHTSHIRE Rootsweb; Dumfries-Galloway rootsweb list; Wigtownshire Roots Web list Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] SKS-Cemetarys around Dumfries and Galloway Hello listers, At present I am researching Pat(t)erson(e), Jardine, Little, Smith, Lockhart, and Kirk ancestors in the general area of Beattock to Langholm and from Monieve to Newcastleton as my ancestors were buried in these general areas. I have found the great work of DFGFS on CHURCHES and GRAVEYARDS in Dumfries and Galloway very useful but now need help in locating Graveyards that are not connected to churches or are no longer used in the area, are there any lists available of grave sites still known that might guide me to find these old sites please? I am particularly interested in and around Applegarth, Lochmaben areas at present, all help appreciated. Cheers Jim Patterson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi to all - re CRICHTON/CRIGHTON/CREIGHTON - I am an Australian descendant of the Crichton's from Mauchline and have the following in my tree - *Descendants of John Crichton* Page 1 11 Apr 2010 *1. John Crichton (c.20 Apr 1804-Barskimming,Mauchline,Ayreshire,Scotland;d.9 Jan 1885-Dromana,Victoria,Australia)* sp: Jean Wyllie (b.1809-Mauchline,Ayrshire,Scotland;m.27 Aug 1832;d.17 May 1885-Dromana,Victoria,Australia) 2. Jane Richmond Crighton (b.1833-,Ayrshire,Scotland;d.1918-Surrey Hills,Victoria,Australia) sp: Thomas Ormiston Martin (m.1868;d.1890-FitzRoy North,Victoria,Australia) 3. Jane Wyllie Martin (b.1869-Flinders,,Victoria,Australia;d.1961-Surrey Hills,Victoria,Australia) sp: James Smith Adams (b.Abt 1867;m.1897;d.1944-Mitcham,Victoria,Australia) 3. Margaret Martin (b.1872-Flinders,,Victoria,Australia;d.1939-Boxhill,Victoria,Australia) 3. Catherine Millar Martin (b.1874-Flinders,,Victoria,Australia;d.1955-Thebarton,Victoria,Australia) sp: Doctor James Landells Blakie (b.Abt 1870-New Zealand;m.1906;d.1937-Hawthorn,Victoria,Australia) 2. William Alexander (Sandy) Crichton (b.1835-Mauchline,,Ayrshire,Scotland;d.29 Dec 1921-Emerald,Victoria,Australia) sp: Sarah Anne Lecky (b.21 Jan 1830-Coalisland Cnty,Tyronne,North Ireland;m.1865;d.16 Aug 1880-Berwick,Victoria,Australia) 3. William Frederick Crichton (b.1866-Berwick,Victoria,Australia;d.20 Feb 1956-Warwick,Queensland,Australia) sp: Vera Claire Armstrong (b.13 Jul 1884;m.1908;d.2 Oct 1969) 3. Elizabeth Jane Crichton (b.1869-Berwick,Victoria,Australia) sp: Samuel Benson McGowan (b.1858-Moonee Ponds,Victoria,Australia;m.1889;d.2 Dec 1905-,Queensland,Australia) 3. John Alexander Crichton (b.1871-Berwick,Victoria,Australia;d.31 Dec 1953-Lilydale,Victoria,Australia) 2. William Wylie Crichton (b.1837) 2. David A Crichton (b.1839-,Ayrshire,Scotland;d.2 Sep 1925-St Kilda,Melbourne,Victoria,Australia) sp: Maud (Susan) Tuson (m.1891;d.2 Jun 1904-Melbourne,Victoria,Australia) 3. Frederick Crichton (b.1891-Clifton Hill,Victoria,Australia;d.1959-Silvan,Victoria,Australia) sp: Annie Edith Crighton (b.12 Jul 1887-Neerim,Victoria,Australia;m.Abt 1929;d.18 Sep 1961-Frankston,Victoria,Australia) 3. Grace Wylie Crichton (b.1893-Carlton,Victoria,Australia;d.15 Sep 1942-East Malvern,Victoria,Australia) 3. David Maynard Crichton (b.7 Mar 1895-Carlton,Victoria,Australia;d.1 Sep 1967-Richmond,Victoria,Australia) sp: Ethel May Cairns (b.2 Apr 1895-Boneo,Victoria,Australia;m.1922;d.17 Feb 1942-Melbourne,Victoria,Australia) 2. Catherine Millar Crichton (b.26 Nov 1841-,Ayrshire,Scotland;d.12 Jan 1926-Dromana,Victoria,Australia) 2. John Crichton (b.1844-,Ayrshire,Scotland;d.1934-Dromana,Victoria,Australia) 2. Hugh Wyllie Crichton (b.1848-,Ayrshire,Scotland;d.1940-Dromana,Victoria,Australia) sp: Ellen Shand (b.15 Apr 1856-Mulgrave,Victoria,Australia;m.24 Sep 1875;d.1909-Warragul,Victoria,Australia) 3. Private John Wyllie Crighton (b.3 Nov 1876-Neerim,,Victoria,Australia;d.18 Sep 1900-Mafeking,,South Africa) 3. William Alexander Crighton (b.13 Feb 1879-Neerim,,Victoria,Australia;d.23 Nov 1951-Hampton,Victoria,Australia) sp: Ellen Garnham (m.1920;d.1950-,Victoria,Australia) 3. David Livingston Crighton (b.8 Jan 1883-Neerim,,Victoria,Australia;d.1969-Gree.,,Victoria,Australia) 3. Henry Hugh Crighton (b.24 Jun 1885-,Neerim,Victoria,Australia;d.4 Nov 1945-Dunedin,,,New Zealand) sp: Dora Birch Ferrier (b.Abt 1891-Forest Hill,New Zealand;m.22 Nov 1911) 3. Annie Edith Crighton (b.12 Jul 1887-Neerim,Victoria,Australia;d.18 Sep 1961-Frankston,Victoria,Australia) sp: Frederick Crichton (b.1891-Clifton Hill,Victoria,Australia;m.Abt 1929;d.1959-Silvan,Victoria,Australia) sp: Elizabeth Choleston Cowlishaw (b.1870;m.1915;d.1932-Dromana,Victoria,Australia) John's father was Alexander Crichton who married Caterine MILLAR - claimed to be the daughter of John MILLAR who is thought to be a factor to Lord Glenlee....would love to have any further information anyone might be able to gather.....cheers, Jim - Show quoted text -

Hello listers, At present I am researching Pat(t)erson(e), Jardine, Little, Smith, Lockhart, and Kirk ancestors in the general area of Beattock to Langholm and from Monieve to Newcastleton as my ancestors were buried in these general areas. I have found the great work of DFGFS on CHURCHES and GRAVEYARDS in Dumfries and Galloway very useful but now need help in locating Graveyards that are not connected to churches or are no longer used in the area, are there any lists available of grave sites still known that might guide me to find these old sites please? I am particularly interested in and around Applegarth, Lochmaben areas at present, all help appreciated. Cheers Jim Patterson

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: James Crighton <jimcrighton40@gmail.com> Date: 11 April 2010 13:33 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] JOSEPH CREIGHTON/CRICHTON OF DUMFRIES To: Bill S <bjstark@tiscali.co.uk> Hi to all - re CRICHTON/CRIGHTON/CREIGHTON - I am an Australian descendant of the Crichton's from Mauchline and have the following in my tree - *Descendants of John Crichton* Page 1 11 Apr 2010 *1. John Crichton (c.20 Apr 1804-Barskimming,Mauchline,Ayreshire,Scotland;d.9 Jan 1885-Dromana,Victoria,Australia)* sp: Jean Wyllie (b.1809-Mauchline,Ayrshire,Scotland;m.27 Aug 1832;d.17 May 1885-Dromana,Victoria,Australia) 2. Jane Richmond Crighton (b.1833-,Ayrshire,Scotland;d.1918-Surrey Hills,Victoria,Australia) sp: Thomas Ormiston Martin (m.1868;d.1890-FitzRoy North,Victoria,Australia) 3. Jane Wyllie Martin (b.1869-Flinders,,Victoria,Australia;d.1961-Surrey Hills,Victoria,Australia) sp: James Smith Adams (b.Abt 1867;m.1897;d.1944-Mitcham,Victoria,Australia) 3. Margaret Martin (b.1872-Flinders,,Victoria,Australia;d.1939-Boxhill,Victoria,Australia) 3. Catherine Millar Martin (b.1874-Flinders,,Victoria,Australia;d.1955-Thebarton,Victoria,Australia) sp: Doctor James Landells Blakie (b.Abt 1870-New Zealand;m.1906;d.1937-Hawthorn,Victoria,Australia) 2. William Alexander (Sandy) Crichton (b.1835-Mauchline,,Ayrshire,Scotland;d.29 Dec 1921-Emerald,Victoria,Australia) sp: Sarah Anne Lecky (b.21 Jan 1830-Coalisland Cnty,Tyronne,North Ireland;m.1865;d.16 Aug 1880-Berwick,Victoria,Australia) 3. William Frederick Crichton (b.1866-Berwick,Victoria,Australia;d.20 Feb 1956-Warwick,Queensland,Australia) sp: Vera Claire Armstrong (b.13 Jul 1884;m.1908;d.2 Oct 1969) 3. Elizabeth Jane Crichton (b.1869-Berwick,Victoria,Australia) sp: Samuel Benson McGowan (b.1858-Moonee Ponds,Victoria,Australia;m.1889;d.2 Dec 1905-,Queensland,Australia) 3. John Alexander Crichton (b.1871-Berwick,Victoria,Australia;d.31 Dec 1953-Lilydale,Victoria,Australia) 2. William Wylie Crichton (b.1837) 2. David A Crichton (b.1839-,Ayrshire,Scotland;d.2 Sep 1925-St Kilda,Melbourne,Victoria,Australia) sp: Maud (Susan) Tuson (m.1891;d.2 Jun 1904-Melbourne,Victoria,Australia) 3. Frederick Crichton (b.1891-Clifton Hill,Victoria,Australia;d.1959-Silvan,Victoria,Australia) sp: Annie Edith Crighton (b.12 Jul 1887-Neerim,Victoria,Australia;m.Abt 1929;d.18 Sep 1961-Frankston,Victoria,Australia) 3. Grace Wylie Crichton (b.1893-Carlton,Victoria,Australia;d.15 Sep 1942-East Malvern,Victoria,Australia) 3. David Maynard Crichton (b.7 Mar 1895-Carlton,Victoria,Australia;d.1 Sep 1967-Richmond,Victoria,Australia) sp: Ethel May Cairns (b.2 Apr 1895-Boneo,Victoria,Australia;m.1922;d.17 Feb 1942-Melbourne,Victoria,Australia) 2. Catherine Millar Crichton (b.26 Nov 1841-,Ayrshire,Scotland;d.12 Jan 1926-Dromana,Victoria,Australia) 2. John Crichton (b.1844-,Ayrshire,Scotland;d.1934-Dromana,Victoria,Australia) 2. Hugh Wyllie Crichton (b.1848-,Ayrshire,Scotland;d.1940-Dromana,Victoria,Australia) sp: Ellen Shand (b.15 Apr 1856-Mulgrave,Victoria,Australia;m.24 Sep 1875;d.1909-Warragul,Victoria,Australia) 3. Private John Wyllie Crighton (b.3 Nov 1876-Neerim,,Victoria,Australia;d.18 Sep 1900-Mafeking,,South Africa) 3. William Alexander Crighton (b.13 Feb 1879-Neerim,,Victoria,Australia;d.23 Nov 1951-Hampton,Victoria,Australia) sp: Ellen Garnham (m.1920;d.1950-,Victoria,Australia) 3. David Livingston Crighton (b.8 Jan 1883-Neerim,,Victoria,Australia;d.1969-Gree.,,Victoria,Australia) 3. Henry Hugh Crighton (b.24 Jun 1885-,Neerim,Victoria,Australia;d.4 Nov 1945-Dunedin,,,New Zealand) sp: Dora Birch Ferrier (b.Abt 1891-Forest Hill,New Zealand;m.22 Nov 1911) 3. Annie Edith Crighton (b.12 Jul 1887-Neerim,Victoria,Australia;d.18 Sep 1961-Frankston,Victoria,Australia) sp: Frederick Crichton (b.1891-Clifton Hill,Victoria,Australia;m.Abt 1929;d.1959-Silvan,Victoria,Australia) sp: Elizabeth Choleston Cowlishaw (b.1870;m.1915;d.1932-Dromana,Victoria,Australia) John's father was Alexander Crichton who married Caterine MILLAR - claimed to be the daughter of John MILLAR who is thought to be a factor to Lord Glenlee....would love to have any further information anyone might be able to gather.....cheers, Jim On 9 April 2010 00:17, Bill S <bjstark@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > I note in the book of Kirkpatrick-Durham that a James Crichton was the > proprietor of a property called Crofts in 1819. A side note states that he > is thought to be Dr James Crichton of Friars Carse who died in 1823 leaving > £100,000 which was adopted by his trustees for the foundation and endowment > of the Crichton Royal Institution at Dumfries. > > In the same book in the 1680s a John Creichton was a covenanter in > "Kirkpatrick" and was transported to the plantations where he was thought > to > have ended his days as a slave. > > Hope this is of interest. > Bill Stark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carstand" <carstand@hughes.net> > To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:50 PM > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] JOSEPH CREIGHTON/CRICHTON OF DUMFRIES > > > > > > > > > > I am searching for information on JOSEPH CRICHTON was born Abt. 1740; > > located in Dumfries for the baptisms of four children at St. Michaels. > > Children of JOSEPH CRICHTON are: > > i. DAVID CRICHTON, baptized 16 Jun 1765, Dumfries > > ii. WILLIAM CRICHTON, baptized 21 Feb 1768, Dumfries > > iii. SARAH CRICHTON, baptized 30 Jun 1771, Dumfries > > iv.JOHN CRICHTON, baptized 27 Jun 1773, Dumfries > > A possible family member may be been JOSEPH CRICHTON who married JEAN > > GORDON > > in an irregular marriage 26 APR 1806 Troqueer, Kirkcudbright. > > Children baptized at Kirkmahoe, Dumfries: > > Jane Crichton 1 June 1808 > > Henrietta Crichton 22 Dec 1809 > > Elizabeth Crichton 21 November 1813 > > Elizabeth L. Creighton 19 June 1815 > > Janet Crichton 29 June 1817 > > > > > > Also there was a Joseph Crichton listed in the Personal-names on the > > Pigot & > > Co. Directory for Dumfries & Maxwelltown 1825/26 as House Surgeon & > > Clerk to > > D&G Infirmary > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hiya Ian and our roots listers, many thanks for answering this question Ian:) My friend is thrilled to pin this down and am very grateful to you:) Cheers Jim Patterson -----Original Message----- From: Ian A McClumpha [mailto:imchad@freeola.com] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 11:42 PM To: 'Jim Patterson'; 'Dumfries-Galloway rootsweb list'; 'Wigtownshire Roots Web list' Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] SKS "Willihole?" Hi Jim Wyliehole is a farm in Tundergarth parish, near Lockerbie. It is listed on the first edition OS map. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Patterson Sent: 10 April 2010 23:27 To: Dumfries-Galloway rootsweb list; Wigtownshire Roots Web list Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] SKS "Willihole?" Hi there all, A genealogy friend of mine just asked me if I had heard of Williehole in the Borders and sadly I have not, it probably pronounces quite differently than it reads so some local help is required please? Anyone know this name and where it is please? Jim Patterson Western Canada.. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jim Wyliehole is a farm in Tundergarth parish, near Lockerbie. It is listed on the first edition OS map. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Patterson Sent: 10 April 2010 23:27 To: Dumfries-Galloway rootsweb list; Wigtownshire Roots Web list Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] SKS "Willihole?" Hi there all, A genealogy friend of mine just asked me if I had heard of Williehole in the Borders and sadly I have not, it probably pronounces quite differently than it reads so some local help is required please? Anyone know this name and where it is please? Jim Patterson Western Canada.. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there all, A genealogy friend of mine just asked me if I had heard of Williehole in the Borders and sadly I have not, it probably pronounces quite differently than it reads so some local help is required please? Anyone know this name and where it is please? Jim Patterson Western Canada..

I note in the book of Kirkpatrick-Durham that a James Crichton was the proprietor of a property called Crofts in 1819. A side note states that he is thought to be Dr James Crichton of Friars Carse who died in 1823 leaving £100,000 which was adopted by his trustees for the foundation and endowment of the Crichton Royal Institution at Dumfries. In the same book in the 1680s a John Creichton was a covenanter in "Kirkpatrick" and was transported to the plantations where he was thought to have ended his days as a slave. Hope this is of interest. Bill Stark ----- Original Message ----- From: "carstand" <carstand@hughes.net> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] JOSEPH CREIGHTON/CRICHTON OF DUMFRIES > > > > I am searching for information on JOSEPH CRICHTON was born Abt. 1740; > located in Dumfries for the baptisms of four children at St. Michaels. > Children of JOSEPH CRICHTON are: > i. DAVID CRICHTON, baptized 16 Jun 1765, Dumfries > ii. WILLIAM CRICHTON, baptized 21 Feb 1768, Dumfries > iii. SARAH CRICHTON, baptized 30 Jun 1771, Dumfries > iv.JOHN CRICHTON, baptized 27 Jun 1773, Dumfries > A possible family member may be been JOSEPH CRICHTON who married JEAN > GORDON > in an irregular marriage 26 APR 1806 Troqueer, Kirkcudbright. > Children baptized at Kirkmahoe, Dumfries: > Jane Crichton 1 June 1808 > Henrietta Crichton 22 Dec 1809 > Elizabeth Crichton 21 November 1813 > Elizabeth L. Creighton 19 June 1815 > Janet Crichton 29 June 1817 > > > Also there was a Joseph Crichton listed in the Personal-names on the > Pigot & > Co. Directory for Dumfries & Maxwelltown 1825/26 as House Surgeon & > Clerk to > D&G Infirmary > Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am searching for information on JOSEPH CRICHTON was born Abt. 1740; located in Dumfries for the baptisms of four children at St. Michaels. Children of JOSEPH CRICHTON are: i. DAVID CRICHTON, baptized 16 Jun 1765, Dumfries ii. WILLIAM CRICHTON, baptized 21 Feb 1768, Dumfries iii. SARAH CRICHTON, baptized 30 Jun 1771, Dumfries iv.JOHN CRICHTON, baptized 27 Jun 1773, Dumfries A possible family member may be been JOSEPH CRICHTON who married JEAN GORDON in an irregular marriage 26 APR 1806 Troqueer, Kirkcudbright. Children baptized at Kirkmahoe, Dumfries: Jane Crichton 1 June 1808 Henrietta Crichton 22 Dec 1809 Elizabeth Crichton 21 November 1813 Elizabeth L. Creighton 19 June 1815 Janet Crichton 29 June 1817 Also there was a Joseph Crichton listed in the Personal-names on the Pigot & Co. Directory for Dumfries & Maxwelltown 1825/26 as House Surgeon & Clerk to D&G Infirmary Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Hi Neil The law of primogeniture applied until 1964 but it was slightly different. It applied to the eldest son but if there were only daughters, they shared equally (They became Heir's Portioners) Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nnorth@iinet.net.au Sent: 07 April 2010 01:26 To: dUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Primogeniture Hello list, Does anyone have any idea when the law of primogeniture was abolished in Scotland. This is the law that restricted inheritance of land (particularly farmland) to the eldest surviving son, or failing that, eldest surviving daughter. I am particularly interested in a farm where the farmer (my ggrandfather) died in 1891. I suspect that it was probably a tenant farm but would like to confirm. Alternatively, Is there any other way I can determine ownership of the farm? thanks Neil Perth, Aus *I a^m cl24ng my k*ey9b0$rd ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Why not name the farm on here? Someone might know if it was part of an estate or have relatives who farmed there - or even look it up in some resource or other. Judy On 7 Apr 2010, at 15:03, stuart laing wrote: > Look at Registers of Scotland www.ros.gov.uk They will look for > recent (post > 1900) transactions involving your property for a fee (usually under > £10) and > often you will get older info as well. Of course for all the > details, you > have to consult sassines in NAS, Edinburgh. But ROS is a quick and > cheap > source if you are outside Scotland. > > Stuart > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <nnorth@iinet.net.au> > To: <dUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:26 AM > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Primogeniture > > >> Hello list, >> Does anyone have any idea when the law of primogeniture was abolished >> in Scotland. This is the law that restricted inheritance of land >> (particularly farmland) to the eldest surviving son, or failing that, >> eldest surviving daughter. >> >> I am particularly interested in a farm where the farmer (my >> ggrandfather) died in 1891. I suspect that it was probably a tenant >> farm but would like to confirm. >> >> Alternatively, Is there any other way I can determine ownership of >> the farm? >> >> thanks >> Neil >> Perth, Aus >> >> >> *I a^m cl24ng my k*ey9b0$rd >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Look at Registers of Scotland www.ros.gov.uk They will look for recent (post 1900) transactions involving your property for a fee (usually under £10) and often you will get older info as well. Of course for all the details, you have to consult sassines in NAS, Edinburgh. But ROS is a quick and cheap source if you are outside Scotland. Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: <nnorth@iinet.net.au> To: <dUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:26 AM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Primogeniture > Hello list, > Does anyone have any idea when the law of primogeniture was abolished > in Scotland. This is the law that restricted inheritance of land > (particularly farmland) to the eldest surviving son, or failing that, > eldest surviving daughter. > > I am particularly interested in a farm where the farmer (my > ggrandfather) died in 1891. I suspect that it was probably a tenant > farm but would like to confirm. > > Alternatively, Is there any other way I can determine ownership of > the farm? > > thanks > Neil > Perth, Aus > > > *I a^m cl24ng my k*ey9b0$rd > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello list, Does anyone have any idea when the law of primogeniture was abolished in Scotland. This is the law that restricted inheritance of land (particularly farmland) to the eldest surviving son, or failing that, eldest surviving daughter. I am particularly interested in a farm where the farmer (my ggrandfather) died in 1891. I suspect that it was probably a tenant farm but would like to confirm. Alternatively, Is there any other way I can determine ownership of the farm? thanks Neil Perth, Aus *I a^m cl24ng my k*ey9b0$rd

Just out of curiosty who are Isabella Campbell Mctaggart's parents? I too have a Isabella Mctaggart in my family my 2x.great grandmother also from Kirkcudbrightshire. Couldn't the Campbell part of her name also be a first husband's surname and Mctaggart her second husband's surname? Or Isabella Campbell and then married a mctaggart. My ancestor was known as Isabell Mctaggart Clarke, never willing to give up her surname in all legal transactions here in the US in late 1800's. I haven't seen a lot of middle names used in records prior to 1840's certainly none used in my four family lines that go back to the 1700's in the Dumfries Galloway area. Jody On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 11:37 AM, S R Walker <minnigaff@googlemail.com>wrote: > >From Tony's angle, and I have many such named in this manner in my own > tree, > then Isabella Campbell MacTaggart could have been born Isabella MacTaggart > with Campbell as a middle name (i.e. a second forename) to record the > Campbell line in an ancestor. > > I have, for example, a Margaret Dundas Mitchell Murray in my tree. She is > basically Margaret Murray but "Dundas" records her paternal grandmother's > maiden surname and "Mitchell" records her mother's maiden surname. > > So it could be that Isabella MacTaggart's mother or grandmother was a > Campbell. In that case she would have been known in her community as > Isabella MacTaggart. > > It is possible that, on arrival in Australia, a conscious decision was made > to change the family surname to Campbell MacTaggart to record for posterity > in the new country the two family lines which had converged and to make a > distinction from other unrelated MacTaggart's. > > By the way, and probably irrelevantly, there is a Jessie Campbell formerly > McTaggart in the 1891 census at Buittle, Kirkcudbrightshire, about 12 miles > from Twynholm. > > And there is an Isabella Campbell baptised 23 August 1819 in Tongland > parish > which adjoins Twynholm parish. > > Stan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tony Burton > Sent: 04 April 2010 11:48 AM > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Campbell McTaggart > > Hi Pat, Just to add grist to Stan's Mill. It is fortunate for researchers > into Scottish Ancestry that the practice of giving a family surname as a > MIDDLE name is quite common - it helps a lot in identification . In all > the > following examples from my own Trees the middle name is the surname of an > Ancestor - not always on the female side. John BELL Byers, Elizabeth > MAYWOOD Cameron, John FREEDLAND Hastie, David LOCH Liddle, William DAVIDSON > Pryde, and James REID Waddell - to name but a few. > Having ancestors in both camps (English & Scottish) I can confirm that this > practice, while not unheard of in England, is far more prevalent in > Scotland. Best wishes, Tony. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jody Allen, Scottish Scribbles Blog http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh

>From Tony's angle, and I have many such named in this manner in my own tree, then Isabella Campbell MacTaggart could have been born Isabella MacTaggart with Campbell as a middle name (i.e. a second forename) to record the Campbell line in an ancestor. I have, for example, a Margaret Dundas Mitchell Murray in my tree. She is basically Margaret Murray but "Dundas" records her paternal grandmother's maiden surname and "Mitchell" records her mother's maiden surname. So it could be that Isabella MacTaggart's mother or grandmother was a Campbell. In that case she would have been known in her community as Isabella MacTaggart. It is possible that, on arrival in Australia, a conscious decision was made to change the family surname to Campbell MacTaggart to record for posterity in the new country the two family lines which had converged and to make a distinction from other unrelated MacTaggart's. By the way, and probably irrelevantly, there is a Jessie Campbell formerly McTaggart in the 1891 census at Buittle, Kirkcudbrightshire, about 12 miles from Twynholm. And there is an Isabella Campbell baptised 23 August 1819 in Tongland parish which adjoins Twynholm parish. Stan -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tony Burton Sent: 04 April 2010 11:48 AM To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Campbell McTaggart Hi Pat, Just to add grist to Stan's Mill. It is fortunate for researchers into Scottish Ancestry that the practice of giving a family surname as a MIDDLE name is quite common - it helps a lot in identification . In all the following examples from my own Trees the middle name is the surname of an Ancestor - not always on the female side. John BELL Byers, Elizabeth MAYWOOD Cameron, John FREEDLAND Hastie, David LOCH Liddle, William DAVIDSON Pryde, and James REID Waddell - to name but a few. Having ancestors in both camps (English & Scottish) I can confirm that this practice, while not unheard of in England, is far more prevalent in Scotland. Best wishes, Tony. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat, Just to add grist to Stan's Mill. It is fortunate for researchers into Scottish Ancestry that the practice of giving a family surname as a MIDDLE name is quite common - it helps a lot in identification . In all the following examples from my own Trees the middle name is the surname of an Ancestor - not always on the female side. John BELL Byers, Elizabeth MAYWOOD Cameron, John FREEDLAND Hastie, David LOCH Liddle, William DAVIDSON Pryde, and James REID Waddell - to name but a few. Having ancestors in both camps (English & Scottish) I can confirm that this practice, while not unheard of in England, is far more prevalent in Scotland. Best wishes, Tony.

Hi Pat Double-barrelled surnames are unusual in Scotland. It is looked on as being a bit English or a bit posh. We commoners unkindly joke that people with such are not sure of their parentage. In truth, some women of a distinctive family name/tradition who married would create a new double-barrelled surname by inserting their maiden name before or after that of her husband. For example Jean Smith might marry Tom Jones and from then on call herself Jean Smith-Jones and pass on the new surname to her children. Sometimes this happened if a female was the last of the line of a family name and she didn't want the family name to die out, or sometimes it was done as a condition of inheritance. I am thinking of the Murray-Usher family in Kirkcudbrightshire, or the Maxwell-Stuart family of Traquair. What I am saying is it is possible you are looking for someone born Isabella Campbell or Isabella MacTaggart and, for whatever reason, adopted the surname Campbell MacTaggart before emigrating. Just a thought Stan -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Pitts Sent: 03 April 2010 11:23 PM To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] CAMPBELL MAC TAGGART - TWYNHOLM Hi Listers With the Campbell listing I thought I would ask the question. Does anyone have any person with the surname Campbell Mac Taggart/Mc Taggart. I am trying to trace my Great Great Great Grandmother Isabella Campbell Mac Taggart who came to Australia from Twynholm. I know nothing else about her except she married John Rigg (I have the 1838 wedding info). Maybe there are some others in the area with the same surname. Campbell Mac Taggart was on her death certificate here in Australia. Thanks Pat AUSTRALIA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message