Re the undermentioned DNA inquiry. My daughter is assisting authorities with DNA for Australians at Fromelles. Her advice is: "DNA can be taken from either the descendants of a brother or sister, but the line must follow the same sex. So the descendant must be a daughter of a sister; or daughter of a daughter of a sister. Alternatively it can be the son of a brother, or a son of a son of a brother." Hope this makes sense but my daughter is happy to provide any further information, if necessary. Pam Eaton (Queensland, Australia) > From: dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:02:19 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died Fromelles 1916 > (Watson Family) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:50:38 +0800 > From: Watson Family <watsonb@iinet.com.au> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died > Fromelles 1916 > To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20100427164116.01c18840@mail.iinet.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hi List, > recently I sent a request to the Edinburgh list in an attempt to find > relations of this soldier whose remains were in a mass grave at Fromelles. > The army are trying to find relations so they can without doubt identify > this soldier. Robert Grieve Moncrieff Scott was born Perth Scotland 15th > Jan 1895 at 175 South St Perth. His father was Andrew Moncrieff Scott civil > engineer and his mother Christian Bryden Grieve they married 5th April 1893 > at Perth > I copy the information that Rhoda has found > It looks as if Christian was living in Glasgow in 1901 with her son Robert. > The 1901 Census has a Christian/Christina SCOTT aged 36 born Killin, > Perthshire and her son Robert aged 6, born Perth, living in the Bridgeton > district of Glasgow. Christina was a hospital nurse and a widow. I looked > at the marriage entry on Scotlands People, and the Christian Brydon GRIEVE > who married Andrew M SCOTT was a hospital nurse. > > According to the marriage entry, Andrew Moncrieff SCOTT, 30, was the son of > Andrew SCOTT, Banker, deceased and Maggie MONCRIEF (deceased). Christian > GRIEVE, 29, was the daughter of Robert Grieve, farmer (deceased), and Janet > BRYDON/BRYDEN (deceased). Andrew and Christian were married in St Ninians > Cathedral, Perth, in a Scottish episcopalian ceremony. Andrew was a > Bachelor, and Christian a spinster. > > Christina Bryden SCOTT m.s.GRIEVE died in Kier, Dumfries in 1932, aged 69. > Her sister, M H GRIEVE (presumably unmarried), was the informant. Ir > appears that Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT was an only child unless of > course Andrew didn't die or was a bigamist........ > > I can't find a death for Andrew Scott in Scotland between 1894 and 1901. > There are 2 who could be him on the SP death index, but I have looked at the > images and they are not him. And not easy to find Andrew SCOTT before 1893. > There was an unmarried Andrew Scott, 29, born Glasgow, in the 1891 census, a > marine (not civil) engineer and a patient in Glasgow Royal Infirmary. This > is a possibility I suppose; Christian may have been a nurse in the > Infirmary. However in 1891, Christian was an "unemployed nurse" living in > the house of her Uncle Thomas GRIEVE, 64. born Westerkirk, Dumfries, a > farmer in Innerwick, Glen Lyon, Perthshire. I suppose she may have got a job > in Glasgow Royal Infirmary later that year. Also in the house were William > GRIEVE, 29, and James GRIEVE, 24, both nephews of Thomas Grieve. They may > have been Christian's brothers. > > Also in 1891, I found an Andrew M SCOTT, born Scotland abt 1863, living in > Cardiff with his wife Elizabeth, born in the Channel Islands. He was a Road > Contractor's Manager which I suppose could translate loosely as a civil > engineer. > > I can't find a birth for Andrew Moncrieff Scott nor a marriage for his > parents. > > "I have just looked for Andrew Moncrieff Scott on the public trees on > Ancestry.com and have copied this biography of Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT > from one of the trees. It has been placed on a tree called "19th July 1916: > 5th Division". Note that according to the details he gave of his next of > kin, his father was still alive when he enlisted, and living at "Thornhill, > Perthshire, Scotland", despite his mother describing herself as a widow in > the 1901 census. And later down the biog his parents are named as Andrew > and Christian SCOTT of Upper Kier, Thornyhill, Dumfriesshire. This is where > Christian died in 1932. I suggest we move this topic to the > Perthshire/Dumfriesshire lists? > > This is the biography from the tree: > > Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT > > Regimental number 1046 Place of birth Perth, Scotland School Thornhill > School, Perthshire, Scotland > Age on arrival in Australia 18 Religion Presbyterian Occupation Farm hand > Address Perth GPO, Perth, Western Australia Marital status Single Age at > embarkation 21 Height 5' 9.5" Weight 136 lbs > Next of kin Father, Andrew Moncrieff Scott, Thornhill, Perthshire, Scotland > Previous military service Served in the Senior Cadets (Area 88 B), Perth, > Western Australia. Enlistment date 17 July 1915 Date of enlistment from > Nominal Roll 10 July 1915 Place of enlistment Perth, Western Australia Rank > on enlistment Private Unit name 32nd Battalion, C Company AWM Embarkation > Roll number 23/49/1 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, > Western Australia, on board HMAT A13 Katuna on 24 November 1915 The 32nd Bn > (Headquarters, Signallers, A, B, C, and D Companies) embarked on two ships, > HMAT A2 'Geelong', on 18 November 1915, and HMAT A13 'Katuna', on 24 > November 1915. The Embarkation Roll does not distinguish between these > ships, and it is therefore not possible from the Embarkation Roll to > ascertain on which ship an individual embarked. Those who enlisted in > Western Australia embarked at Fremantle (date not recorded). > Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 32nd Battalion Fate > Killed in Action 20 July 1916 > Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) *Given name Robert Grieve Place of > death or wounding Fromelles, France Age at death 21 Age at death from > cemetery records 21 Place of burial Rue-Petillon Military Cemetery (Plot I, > Row L, Grave No. 46), France Panel number, Roll of Honour, Australian War > Memorial 121 Miscellaneous information fromcemetery records Parents: Andrew > and Christian SCOTT, Upper Keir, Thornhyill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland Other > details War service: Egypt, Western Front > Embarked Fremantle, 24 November 1915; found guilty, at sea, 3 December 1915, > of failing to comply with ship's regulation viz: leaving hammock on deck: > awarded 1 extra guard; disembarked Suez, 18 December 1915.Embarked > Alexandria to join the British Expeditionary Force, 17 June 1916; > disembarked Marseilles, France, 23 June 1916.Reported missing, 20 July 1916. > > Identification disc received from Germany (German Death List, 4 November > 1916). No particulars were afforded except that soldier is deceased. To be > reported as KILLED IN ACTION 20/7/16. > > German report, 2 August 1916: 'austr. Sold. Scott, R.G.M. Nr. 1046. C. 32. > A.I.F. am 19.7.16 in Gegen Fromelles gefallen.' > > Note on Red Cross File No 2440110: 'The above name appeared on German death > list dated 4-11-16.' > > Letter, Imperial War Graves Commission, London, to mother, 10 October 1924: > ' ... it has been necessary to renumber certain graves in Rue Petillon > Military Cemetery and that in consequence the full number of the grave > believed to be that of Private R.G. M. Scott is now Plot 1, Row L, Grave 46. > As you are aware the grave is marked by a cross bearing the name, regimental > particulrs and date of death of Private Scott, preceded by the words > "Believed to be." This cross will in due course be replaced by a permanent > memorial, and, should no subsequent doubt have arisen as to the identity of > the grave, the words "Believed to be" can be omitted, if you wish, from the > inscription on this stone.' > Medals: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal > Miscellaneous details Conflicting details regarding embarkation: charge > sheet (file p. 35) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT A2 'Geelong'; file (p. > 37) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT 'Katuna' from Fremantle. > Sources NAA: B2455, SCOTT Robert Grieve Moncrieff > Red Cross file 24401 > > > Rhoda wasn't sure but she thought DNA had to come for the paternal line. > Does anyone know? > Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > ************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. 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PLEASE HOLD- DID NOT MEAN TO SEND ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Wilson" <rodwil@shaw.ca> To: "Vonnie" <vonnie@freeserve13.freeserve.co.uk>; "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com>; <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > Listers > > Good questions, but we're already getting into deep waters. > > Mitochondrial dna is really quite simple, but don't worry about what it > is. It's a wee bit of nothing in your dna that get's passed on UNCHANGED > (most of the time) from your morher. And mostly it is not of direct > concern to genealogists because it gives a far deeper pciture than most of > us get to. It has been used to show, for instance, that there is less > difference between folks in the various parts of the UK than we were > brought up to think. It has also been used to show that folks from the UK > are, in general, more closely related to folks from Friesland than to any > others on the continent. > > But, as I said above, it gets passed on unchanged only most of the time. > Every once in a while a change happens, and then it gets passed on. And > that's what makes it somewhat interesting because it sorts people into > lines that can get grouped and traced. > > And in some places where there is really detailed information available, > not just on the female line, and not just on the male line, but on the > whole genome (like Iceland), it can in fact be used to trace family lines. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vonnie" <vonnie@freeserve13.freeserve.co.uk> > To: "Rod Wilson" <rodwil@shaw.ca>; "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com>; > <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > > >> Hello List >> i know I am a dinasaur but I honestly don't get this DNA testing--- from >> a >> genealogy point of view what does it tell me? Will it find my 7th g >> grandfather? Will it finally prove = that I AM related to Rob Roy (I'm >> not >> being flipant - I;d love to "prove" that family line) >> >> I could come up with a male descendant through 8 generations- father to >> father ( is that the preferred option?) Rod, you say is from one's >> mother >> so what will it tell me? >> >> Been doing genealogy for many years and have just ignored all the DNA >> chat >> so far - can someone enlighten me ( in really simple language as I have >> absolutely no idea what mitochondrial means..!!!) >> >> von >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rod Wilson" <rodwil@shaw.ca> >> To: "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com>; >> <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 010 9:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue >> 57 >> >> >>> >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> Pam's advice is sort of ok, but let's say just a bit more. >>> >>> The main point is that different types of dna tests are now available. >>> The >>> most common is testing for mitochondrial dna, inherited only from one's >>> mother. So stop right there and think about that. It will not tell you >>> about any Viking rapists who briefly visited Dumfries; it will only tell >>> you >>> about your mother's line back into infinity. Both brothers and sisters >>> get >>> exactly the same cells from their mother, but the males will not pass it >>> on >>> to their kids. So you can mix genders in the current generation, but >>> keep >>> in mind that it is the female line you're looking at. >>> >>> Less commonly, one gets y chromosones tested, and this is the male line >>> and >>> it is males only. And if there is a transient in your ancestry, it will >>> take you to wherever he came from. >>> >>> Most of us are probably interested in getting both types of tests done. >>> And >>> then if you want to spend a bit more, you can get a broad analysis that >>> will >>> also indicate your chances of coming down with the various ailments >>> having >>> a >>> genetic basis that we folks are prone to. >>> >>> Rod Wilson >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com> >>> To: <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue >>> 57 >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Re the undermentioned DNA inquiry. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My daughter is assisting authorities with DNA for Australians at >>>> Fromelles. Her advice is: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "DNA can be taken from either the descendants of a brother or sister, >>>> but >>>> the line must follow the same sex. So the descendant must be a >>>> daughter >>>> of a sister; or daughter of a daughter of a sister. Alternatively it >>>> can >>>> be the son of a brother, or a son of a son of a brother." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope this makes sense but my daughter is happy to provide any further >>>> information, if necessary. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Pam Eaton (Queensland, Australia) >>>> >>>>> From: dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >>>>> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:02:19 -0600 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>> >>>>> 1. re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died Fromelles 1916 >>>>> (Watson Family) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Message: 1 >>>>> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:50:38 +0800 >>>>> From: Watson Family <watsonb@iinet.com.au> >>>>> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died >>>>> Fromelles 1916 >>>>> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >>>>> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20100427164116.01c18840@mail.iinet.net.au> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>>>> >>>>> Hi List, >>>>> recently I sent a request to the Edinburgh list in an attempt to find >>>>> relations of this soldier whose remains were in a mass grave at >>>>> Fromelles. >>>>> The army are trying to find relations so they can without doubt >>>>> identify >>>>> this soldier. Robert Grieve Moncrieff Scott was born Perth Scotland >>>>> 15th >>>>> Jan 1895 at 175 South St Perth. His father was Andrew Moncrieff Scott >>>>> civil >>>>> engineer and his mother Christian Bryden Grieve they married 5th April >>>>> 1893 >>>>> at Perth >>>>> I copy the information that Rhoda has found >>>>> It looks as if Christian was living in Glasgow in 1901 with her son >>>>> Robert. >>>>> The 1901 Census has a Christian/Christina SCOTT aged 36 born Killin, >>>>> Perthshire and her son Robert aged 6, born Perth, living in the >>>>> Bridgeton >>>>> district of Glasgow. Christina was a hospital nurse and a widow. I >>>>> looked >>>>> at the marriage entry on Scotlands People, and the Christian Brydon >>>>> GRIEVE >>>>> who married Andrew M SCOTT was a hospital nurse. >>>>> >>>>> According to the marriage entry, Andrew Moncrieff SCOTT, 30, was the >>>>> son >>>>> of >>>>> Andrew SCOTT, Banker, deceased and Maggie MONCRIEF (deceased). >>>>> Christian >>>>> GRIEVE, 29, was the daughter of Robert Grieve, farmer (deceased), and >>>>> Janet >>>>> BRYDON/BRYDEN (deceased). Andrew and Christian were married in St >>>>> Ninians >>>>> Cathedral, Perth, in a Scottish episcopalian ceremony. Andrew was a >>>>> Bachelor, and Christian a spinster. >>>>> >>>>> Christina Bryden SCOTT m.s.GRIEVE died in Kier, Dumfries in 1932, aged >>>>> 69. >>>>> Her sister, M H GRIEVE (presumably unmarried), was the informant. Ir >>>>> appears that Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT was an only child unless of >>>>> course Andrew didn't die or was a bigamist........ >>>>> >>>>> I can't find a death for Andrew Scott in Scotland between 1894 and >>>>> 1901. >>>>> There are 2 who could be him on the SP death index, but I have looked >>>>> at >>>>> the >>>>> images and they are not him. And not easy to find Andrew SCOTT before >>>>> 1893. >>>>> There was an unmarried Andrew Scott, 29, born Glasgow, in the 1891 >>>>> census, a >>>>> marine (not civil) engineer and a patient in Glasgow Royal Infirmary. >>>>> This >>>>> is a possibility I suppose; Christian may have been a nurse in the >>>>> Infirmary. However in 1891, Christian was an "unemployed nurse" living >>>>> in >>>>> the house of her Uncle Thomas GRIEVE, 64. born Westerkirk, Dumfries, a >>>>> farmer in Innerwick, Glen Lyon, Perthshire. I suppose she may have got >>>>> a >>>>> job >>>>> in Glasgow Royal Infirmary later that year. Also in the house were >>>>> William >>>>> GRIEVE, 29, and James GRIEVE, 24, both nephews of Thomas Grieve. They >>>>> may >>>>> have been Christian's brothers. >>>>> >>>>> Also in 1891, I found an Andrew M SCOTT, born Scotland abt 1863, >>>>> living >>>>> in >>>>> Cardiff with his wife Elizabeth, born in the Channel Islands. He was a >>>>> Road >>>>> Contractor's Manager which I suppose could translate loosely as a >>>>> civil >>>>> engineer. >>>>> >>>>> I can't find a birth for Andrew Moncrieff Scott nor a marriage for his >>>>> parents. >>>>> >>>>> "I have just looked for Andrew Moncrieff Scott on the public trees on >>>>> Ancestry.com and have copied this biography of Robert Grieve Moncrieff >>>>> SCOTT >>>>> from one of the trees. It has been placed on a tree called "19th July >>>>> 1916: >>>>> 5th Division". Note that according to the details he gave of his next >>>>> of >>>>> kin, his father was still alive when he enlisted, and living at >>>>> "Thornhill, >>>>> Perthshire, Scotland", despite his mother describing herself as a >>>>> widow >>>>> in >>>>> the 1901 census. And later down the biog his parents are named as >>>>> Andrew >>>>> and Christian SCOTT of Upper Kier, Thornyhill, Dumfriesshire. This is >>>>> where >>>>> Christian died in 1932. I suggest we move this topic to the >>>>> Perthshire/Dumfriesshire lists? >>>>> >>>>> This is the biography from the tree: >>>>> >>>>> Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT >>>>> >>>>> Regimental number 1046 Place of birth Perth, Scotland School Thornhill >>>>> School, Perthshire, Scotland >>>>> Age on arrival in Australia 18 Religion Presbyterian Occupation Farm >>>>> hand >>>>> Address Perth GPO, Perth, Western Australia Marital status Single Age >>>>> at >>>>> embarkation 21 Height 5' 9.5" Weight 136 lbs >>>>> Next of kin Father, Andrew Moncrieff Scott, Thornhill, Perthshire, >>>>> Scotland >>>>> Previous military service Served in the Senior Cadets (Area 88 B), >>>>> Perth, >>>>> Western Australia. Enlistment date 17 July 1915 Date of enlistment >>>>> from >>>>> Nominal Roll 10 July 1915 Place of enlistment Perth, Western Australia >>>>> Rank >>>>> on enlistment Private Unit name 32nd Battalion, C Company AWM >>>>> Embarkation >>>>> Roll number 23/49/1 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, >>>>> Western Australia, on board HMAT A13 Katuna on 24 November 1915 The >>>>> 32nd >>>>> Bn >>>>> (Headquarters, Signallers, A, B, C, and D Companies) embarked on two >>>>> ships, >>>>> HMAT A2 'Geelong', on 18 November 1915, and HMAT A13 'Katuna', on 24 >>>>> November 1915. The Embarkation Roll does not distinguish between these >>>>> ships, and it is therefore not possible from the Embarkation Roll to >>>>> ascertain on which ship an individual embarked. Those who enlisted in >>>>> Western Australia embarked at Fremantle (date not recorded). >>>>> Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 32nd Battalion >>>>> Fate >>>>> Killed in Action 20 July 1916 >>>>> Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) *Given name Robert Grieve Place >>>>> of >>>>> death or wounding Fromelles, France Age at death 21 Age at death from >>>>> cemetery records 21 Place of burial Rue-Petillon Military Cemetery >>>>> (Plot >>>>> I, >>>>> Row L, Grave No. 46), France Panel number, Roll of Honour, Australian >>>>> War >>>>> Memorial 121 Miscellaneous information fromcemetery records Parents: >>>>> Andrew >>>>> and Christian SCOTT, Upper Keir, Thornhyill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland >>>>> Other >>>>> details War service: Egypt, Western Front >>>>> Embarked Fremantle, 24 November 1915; found guilty, at sea, 3 December >>>>> 1915, >>>>> of failing to comply with ship's regulation viz: leaving hammock on >>>>> deck: >>>>> awarded 1 extra guard; disembarked Suez, 18 December 1915.Embarked >>>>> Alexandria to join the British Expeditionary Force, 17 June 1916; >>>>> disembarked Marseilles, France, 23 June 1916.Reported missing, 20 July >>>>> 1916. >>>>> >>>>> Identification disc received from Germany (German Death List, 4 >>>>> November >>>>> 1916). No particulars were afforded except that soldier is deceased. >>>>> To >>>>> be >>>>> reported as KILLED IN ACTION 20/7/16. >>>>> >>>>> German report, 2 August 1916: 'austr. Sold. Scott, R.G.M. Nr. 1046. C. >>>>> 32. >>>>> A.I.F. am 19.7.16 in Gegen Fromelles gefallen.' >>>>> >>>>> Note on Red Cross File No 2440110: 'The above name appeared on German >>>>> death >>>>> list dated 4-11-16.' >>>>> >>>>> Letter, Imperial War Graves Commission, London, to mother, 10 October >>>>> 1924: >>>>> ' ... it has been necessary to renumber certain graves in Rue Petillon >>>>> Military Cemetery and that in consequence the full number of the grave >>>>> believed to be that of Private R.G. M. Scott is now Plot 1, Row L, >>>>> Grave >>>>> 46. >>>>> As you are aware the grave is marked by a cross bearing the name, >>>>> regimental >>>>> particulrs and date of death of Private Scott, preceded by the words >>>>> "Believed to be." This cross will in due course be replaced by a >>>>> permanent >>>>> memorial, and, should no subsequent doubt have arisen as to the >>>>> identity >>>>> of >>>>> the grave, the words "Believed to be" can be omitted, if you wish, >>>>> from >>>>> the >>>>> inscription on this stone.' >>>>> Medals: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal >>>>> Miscellaneous details Conflicting details regarding embarkation: >>>>> charge >>>>> sheet (file p. 35) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT A2 'Geelong'; >>>>> file >>>>> (p. >>>>> 37) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT 'Katuna' from Fremantle. >>>>> Sources NAA: B2455, SCOTT Robert Grieve Moncrieff >>>>> Red Cross file 24401 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rhoda wasn't sure but she thought DNA had to come for the paternal >>>>> line. >>>>> Does anyone know? >>>>> Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to >>>>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>>>> >>>>> To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email >>>>> to >>>>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. >>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>>>> body of the >>>>> email with no additional text. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >>>>> ************************************************ >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. 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Listers Good questions, but we're already getting into deep waters. Mitochondrial dna is really quite simple, but don't worry about what it is. It's a wee bit of nothing in your dna that get's passed on UNCHANGED (most of the time) from your morher. And mostly it is not of direct concern to genealogists because it gives a far deeper pciture than most of us get to. It has been used to show, for instance, that there is less difference between folks in the various parts of the UK than we were brought up to think. It has also been used to show that folks from the UK are, in general, more closely related to folks from Friesland than to any others on the continent. But, as I said above, it gets passed on unchanged only most of the time. Every once in a while a change happens, and then it gets passed on. And that's what makes it somewhat interesting because it sorts people into lines that can get grouped and traced. And in some places where there is really detailed information available, not just on the female line, and not just on the male line, but on the whole genome (like Iceland), it can in fact be used to trace family lines. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vonnie" <vonnie@freeserve13.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Rod Wilson" <rodwil@shaw.ca>; "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com>; <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > Hello List > i know I am a dinasaur but I honestly don't get this DNA testing--- from a > genealogy point of view what does it tell me? Will it find my 7th g > grandfather? Will it finally prove = that I AM related to Rob Roy (I'm > not > being flipant - I;d love to "prove" that family line) > > I could come up with a male descendant through 8 generations- father to > father ( is that the preferred option?) Rod, you say is from one's mother > so what will it tell me? > > Been doing genealogy for many years and have just ignored all the DNA chat > so far - can someone enlighten me ( in really simple language as I have > absolutely no idea what mitochondrial means..!!!) > > von > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod Wilson" <rodwil@shaw.ca> > To: "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com>; <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 010 9:26 PM > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > > >> >> RE: DNA >> >> Pam's advice is sort of ok, but let's say just a bit more. >> >> The main point is that different types of dna tests are now available. >> The >> most common is testing for mitochondrial dna, inherited only from one's >> mother. So stop right there and think about that. It will not tell you >> about any Viking rapists who briefly visited Dumfries; it will only tell >> you >> about your mother's line back into infinity. Both brothers and sisters >> get >> exactly the same cells from their mother, but the males will not pass it >> on >> to their kids. So you can mix genders in the current generation, but >> keep >> in mind that it is the female line you're looking at. >> >> Less commonly, one gets y chromosones tested, and this is the male line >> and >> it is males only. And if there is a transient in your ancestry, it will >> take you to wherever he came from. >> >> Most of us are probably interested in getting both types of tests done. >> And >> then if you want to spend a bit more, you can get a broad analysis that >> will >> also indicate your chances of coming down with the various ailments >> having >> a >> genetic basis that we folks are prone to. >> >> Rod Wilson >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com> >> To: <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue >> 57 >> >> >>> >>> Re the undermentioned DNA inquiry. >>> >>> >>> >>> My daughter is assisting authorities with DNA for Australians at >>> Fromelles. Her advice is: >>> >>> >>> >>> "DNA can be taken from either the descendants of a brother or sister, >>> but >>> the line must follow the same sex. So the descendant must be a >>> daughter >>> of a sister; or daughter of a daughter of a sister. Alternatively it can >>> be the son of a brother, or a son of a son of a brother." >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope this makes sense but my daughter is happy to provide any further >>> information, if necessary. >>> >>> >>> >>> Pam Eaton (Queensland, Australia) >>> >>>> From: dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >>>> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:02:19 -0600 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died Fromelles 1916 >>>> (Watson Family) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:50:38 +0800 >>>> From: Watson Family <watsonb@iinet.com.au> >>>> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died >>>> Fromelles 1916 >>>> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20100427164116.01c18840@mail.iinet.net.au> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>>> >>>> Hi List, >>>> recently I sent a request to the Edinburgh list in an attempt to find >>>> relations of this soldier whose remains were in a mass grave at >>>> Fromelles. >>>> The army are trying to find relations so they can without doubt >>>> identify >>>> this soldier. Robert Grieve Moncrieff Scott was born Perth Scotland >>>> 15th >>>> Jan 1895 at 175 South St Perth. His father was Andrew Moncrieff Scott >>>> civil >>>> engineer and his mother Christian Bryden Grieve they married 5th April >>>> 1893 >>>> at Perth >>>> I copy the information that Rhoda has found >>>> It looks as if Christian was living in Glasgow in 1901 with her son >>>> Robert. >>>> The 1901 Census has a Christian/Christina SCOTT aged 36 born Killin, >>>> Perthshire and her son Robert aged 6, born Perth, living in the >>>> Bridgeton >>>> district of Glasgow. Christina was a hospital nurse and a widow. I >>>> looked >>>> at the marriage entry on Scotlands People, and the Christian Brydon >>>> GRIEVE >>>> who married Andrew M SCOTT was a hospital nurse. >>>> >>>> According to the marriage entry, Andrew Moncrieff SCOTT, 30, was the >>>> son >>>> of >>>> Andrew SCOTT, Banker, deceased and Maggie MONCRIEF (deceased). >>>> Christian >>>> GRIEVE, 29, was the daughter of Robert Grieve, farmer (deceased), and >>>> Janet >>>> BRYDON/BRYDEN (deceased). Andrew and Christian were married in St >>>> Ninians >>>> Cathedral, Perth, in a Scottish episcopalian ceremony. Andrew was a >>>> Bachelor, and Christian a spinster. >>>> >>>> Christina Bryden SCOTT m.s.GRIEVE died in Kier, Dumfries in 1932, aged >>>> 69. >>>> Her sister, M H GRIEVE (presumably unmarried), was the informant. Ir >>>> appears that Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT was an only child unless of >>>> course Andrew didn't die or was a bigamist........ >>>> >>>> I can't find a death for Andrew Scott in Scotland between 1894 and >>>> 1901. >>>> There are 2 who could be him on the SP death index, but I have looked >>>> at >>>> the >>>> images and they are not him. And not easy to find Andrew SCOTT before >>>> 1893. >>>> There was an unmarried Andrew Scott, 29, born Glasgow, in the 1891 >>>> census, a >>>> marine (not civil) engineer and a patient in Glasgow Royal Infirmary. >>>> This >>>> is a possibility I suppose; Christian may have been a nurse in the >>>> Infirmary. However in 1891, Christian was an "unemployed nurse" living >>>> in >>>> the house of her Uncle Thomas GRIEVE, 64. born Westerkirk, Dumfries, a >>>> farmer in Innerwick, Glen Lyon, Perthshire. I suppose she may have got >>>> a >>>> job >>>> in Glasgow Royal Infirmary later that year. Also in the house were >>>> William >>>> GRIEVE, 29, and James GRIEVE, 24, both nephews of Thomas Grieve. They >>>> may >>>> have been Christian's brothers. >>>> >>>> Also in 1891, I found an Andrew M SCOTT, born Scotland abt 1863, living >>>> in >>>> Cardiff with his wife Elizabeth, born in the Channel Islands. He was a >>>> Road >>>> Contractor's Manager which I suppose could translate loosely as a civil >>>> engineer. >>>> >>>> I can't find a birth for Andrew Moncrieff Scott nor a marriage for his >>>> parents. >>>> >>>> "I have just looked for Andrew Moncrieff Scott on the public trees on >>>> Ancestry.com and have copied this biography of Robert Grieve Moncrieff >>>> SCOTT >>>> from one of the trees. It has been placed on a tree called "19th July >>>> 1916: >>>> 5th Division". Note that according to the details he gave of his next >>>> of >>>> kin, his father was still alive when he enlisted, and living at >>>> "Thornhill, >>>> Perthshire, Scotland", despite his mother describing herself as a widow >>>> in >>>> the 1901 census. And later down the biog his parents are named as >>>> Andrew >>>> and Christian SCOTT of Upper Kier, Thornyhill, Dumfriesshire. This is >>>> where >>>> Christian died in 1932. I suggest we move this topic to the >>>> Perthshire/Dumfriesshire lists? >>>> >>>> This is the biography from the tree: >>>> >>>> Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT >>>> >>>> Regimental number 1046 Place of birth Perth, Scotland School Thornhill >>>> School, Perthshire, Scotland >>>> Age on arrival in Australia 18 Religion Presbyterian Occupation Farm >>>> hand >>>> Address Perth GPO, Perth, Western Australia Marital status Single Age >>>> at >>>> embarkation 21 Height 5' 9.5" Weight 136 lbs >>>> Next of kin Father, Andrew Moncrieff Scott, Thornhill, Perthshire, >>>> Scotland >>>> Previous military service Served in the Senior Cadets (Area 88 B), >>>> Perth, >>>> Western Australia. Enlistment date 17 July 1915 Date of enlistment from >>>> Nominal Roll 10 July 1915 Place of enlistment Perth, Western Australia >>>> Rank >>>> on enlistment Private Unit name 32nd Battalion, C Company AWM >>>> Embarkation >>>> Roll number 23/49/1 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, >>>> Western Australia, on board HMAT A13 Katuna on 24 November 1915 The >>>> 32nd >>>> Bn >>>> (Headquarters, Signallers, A, B, C, and D Companies) embarked on two >>>> ships, >>>> HMAT A2 'Geelong', on 18 November 1915, and HMAT A13 'Katuna', on 24 >>>> November 1915. The Embarkation Roll does not distinguish between these >>>> ships, and it is therefore not possible from the Embarkation Roll to >>>> ascertain on which ship an individual embarked. Those who enlisted in >>>> Western Australia embarked at Fremantle (date not recorded). >>>> Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 32nd Battalion >>>> Fate >>>> Killed in Action 20 July 1916 >>>> Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) *Given name Robert Grieve Place of >>>> death or wounding Fromelles, France Age at death 21 Age at death from >>>> cemetery records 21 Place of burial Rue-Petillon Military Cemetery >>>> (Plot >>>> I, >>>> Row L, Grave No. 46), France Panel number, Roll of Honour, Australian >>>> War >>>> Memorial 121 Miscellaneous information fromcemetery records Parents: >>>> Andrew >>>> and Christian SCOTT, Upper Keir, Thornhyill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland >>>> Other >>>> details War service: Egypt, Western Front >>>> Embarked Fremantle, 24 November 1915; found guilty, at sea, 3 December >>>> 1915, >>>> of failing to comply with ship's regulation viz: leaving hammock on >>>> deck: >>>> awarded 1 extra guard; disembarked Suez, 18 December 1915.Embarked >>>> Alexandria to join the British Expeditionary Force, 17 June 1916; >>>> disembarked Marseilles, France, 23 June 1916.Reported missing, 20 July >>>> 1916. >>>> >>>> Identification disc received from Germany (German Death List, 4 >>>> November >>>> 1916). No particulars were afforded except that soldier is deceased. To >>>> be >>>> reported as KILLED IN ACTION 20/7/16. >>>> >>>> German report, 2 August 1916: 'austr. Sold. Scott, R.G.M. Nr. 1046. C. >>>> 32. >>>> A.I.F. am 19.7.16 in Gegen Fromelles gefallen.' >>>> >>>> Note on Red Cross File No 2440110: 'The above name appeared on German >>>> death >>>> list dated 4-11-16.' >>>> >>>> Letter, Imperial War Graves Commission, London, to mother, 10 October >>>> 1924: >>>> ' ... it has been necessary to renumber certain graves in Rue Petillon >>>> Military Cemetery and that in consequence the full number of the grave >>>> believed to be that of Private R.G. M. Scott is now Plot 1, Row L, >>>> Grave >>>> 46. >>>> As you are aware the grave is marked by a cross bearing the name, >>>> regimental >>>> particulrs and date of death of Private Scott, preceded by the words >>>> "Believed to be." This cross will in due course be replaced by a >>>> permanent >>>> memorial, and, should no subsequent doubt have arisen as to the >>>> identity >>>> of >>>> the grave, the words "Believed to be" can be omitted, if you wish, from >>>> the >>>> inscription on this stone.' >>>> Medals: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal >>>> Miscellaneous details Conflicting details regarding embarkation: charge >>>> sheet (file p. 35) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT A2 'Geelong'; file >>>> (p. >>>> 37) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT 'Katuna' from Fremantle. >>>> Sources NAA: B2455, SCOTT Robert Grieve Moncrieff >>>> Red Cross file 24401 >>>> >>>> >>>> Rhoda wasn't sure but she thought DNA had to come for the paternal >>>> line. >>>> Does anyone know? >>>> Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to >>>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email >>>> to >>>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>>> body of the >>>> email with no additional text. >>>> >>>> >>>> End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >>>> ************************************************ >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. 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Hi Folks Was in Buteshire looking for my McIntosh ancestors and came across this burial- thought she may "belong" to someone Grave 49 Rothesay Sarah G Laidlaw of Dumfries d here 22.6.1854 Donna

RE: DNA Pam's advice is sort of ok, but let's say just a bit more. The main point is that different types of dna tests are now available. The most common is testing for mitochondrial dna, inherited only from one's mother. So stop right there and think about that. It will not tell you about any Viking rapists who briefly visited Dumfries; it will only tell you about your mother's line back into infinity. Both brothers and sisters get exactly the same cells from their mother, but the males will not pass it on to their kids. So you can mix genders in the current generation, but keep in mind that it is the female line you're looking at. Less commonly, one gets y chromosones tested, and this is the male line and it is males only. And if there is a transient in your ancestry, it will take you to wherever he came from. Most of us are probably interested in getting both types of tests done. And then if you want to spend a bit more, you can get a broad analysis that will also indicate your chances of coming down with the various ailments having a genetic basis that we folks are prone to. Rod Wilson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com> To: <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > > Re the undermentioned DNA inquiry. > > > > My daughter is assisting authorities with DNA for Australians at > Fromelles. Her advice is: > > > > "DNA can be taken from either the descendants of a brother or sister, but > the line must follow the same sex. So the descendant must be a daughter > of a sister; or daughter of a daughter of a sister. Alternatively it can > be the son of a brother, or a son of a son of a brother." > > > > Hope this makes sense but my daughter is happy to provide any further > information, if necessary. > > > > Pam Eaton (Queensland, Australia) > >> From: dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com >> Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:02:19 -0600 >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died Fromelles 1916 >> (Watson Family) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:50:38 +0800 >> From: Watson Family <watsonb@iinet.com.au> >> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died >> Fromelles 1916 >> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20100427164116.01c18840@mail.iinet.net.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> Hi List, >> recently I sent a request to the Edinburgh list in an attempt to find >> relations of this soldier whose remains were in a mass grave at >> Fromelles. >> The army are trying to find relations so they can without doubt identify >> this soldier. Robert Grieve Moncrieff Scott was born Perth Scotland 15th >> Jan 1895 at 175 South St Perth. His father was Andrew Moncrieff Scott >> civil >> engineer and his mother Christian Bryden Grieve they married 5th April >> 1893 >> at Perth >> I copy the information that Rhoda has found >> It looks as if Christian was living in Glasgow in 1901 with her son >> Robert. >> The 1901 Census has a Christian/Christina SCOTT aged 36 born Killin, >> Perthshire and her son Robert aged 6, born Perth, living in the Bridgeton >> district of Glasgow. Christina was a hospital nurse and a widow. I looked >> at the marriage entry on Scotlands People, and the Christian Brydon >> GRIEVE >> who married Andrew M SCOTT was a hospital nurse. >> >> According to the marriage entry, Andrew Moncrieff SCOTT, 30, was the son >> of >> Andrew SCOTT, Banker, deceased and Maggie MONCRIEF (deceased). Christian >> GRIEVE, 29, was the daughter of Robert Grieve, farmer (deceased), and >> Janet >> BRYDON/BRYDEN (deceased). Andrew and Christian were married in St Ninians >> Cathedral, Perth, in a Scottish episcopalian ceremony. Andrew was a >> Bachelor, and Christian a spinster. >> >> Christina Bryden SCOTT m.s.GRIEVE died in Kier, Dumfries in 1932, aged >> 69. >> Her sister, M H GRIEVE (presumably unmarried), was the informant. Ir >> appears that Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT was an only child unless of >> course Andrew didn't die or was a bigamist........ >> >> I can't find a death for Andrew Scott in Scotland between 1894 and 1901. >> There are 2 who could be him on the SP death index, but I have looked at >> the >> images and they are not him. And not easy to find Andrew SCOTT before >> 1893. >> There was an unmarried Andrew Scott, 29, born Glasgow, in the 1891 >> census, a >> marine (not civil) engineer and a patient in Glasgow Royal Infirmary. >> This >> is a possibility I suppose; Christian may have been a nurse in the >> Infirmary. However in 1891, Christian was an "unemployed nurse" living in >> the house of her Uncle Thomas GRIEVE, 64. born Westerkirk, Dumfries, a >> farmer in Innerwick, Glen Lyon, Perthshire. I suppose she may have got a >> job >> in Glasgow Royal Infirmary later that year. Also in the house were >> William >> GRIEVE, 29, and James GRIEVE, 24, both nephews of Thomas Grieve. They may >> have been Christian's brothers. >> >> Also in 1891, I found an Andrew M SCOTT, born Scotland abt 1863, living >> in >> Cardiff with his wife Elizabeth, born in the Channel Islands. He was a >> Road >> Contractor's Manager which I suppose could translate loosely as a civil >> engineer. >> >> I can't find a birth for Andrew Moncrieff Scott nor a marriage for his >> parents. >> >> "I have just looked for Andrew Moncrieff Scott on the public trees on >> Ancestry.com and have copied this biography of Robert Grieve Moncrieff >> SCOTT >> from one of the trees. It has been placed on a tree called "19th July >> 1916: >> 5th Division". Note that according to the details he gave of his next of >> kin, his father was still alive when he enlisted, and living at >> "Thornhill, >> Perthshire, Scotland", despite his mother describing herself as a widow >> in >> the 1901 census. And later down the biog his parents are named as Andrew >> and Christian SCOTT of Upper Kier, Thornyhill, Dumfriesshire. This is >> where >> Christian died in 1932. I suggest we move this topic to the >> Perthshire/Dumfriesshire lists? >> >> This is the biography from the tree: >> >> Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT >> >> Regimental number 1046 Place of birth Perth, Scotland School Thornhill >> School, Perthshire, Scotland >> Age on arrival in Australia 18 Religion Presbyterian Occupation Farm hand >> Address Perth GPO, Perth, Western Australia Marital status Single Age at >> embarkation 21 Height 5' 9.5" Weight 136 lbs >> Next of kin Father, Andrew Moncrieff Scott, Thornhill, Perthshire, >> Scotland >> Previous military service Served in the Senior Cadets (Area 88 B), Perth, >> Western Australia. Enlistment date 17 July 1915 Date of enlistment from >> Nominal Roll 10 July 1915 Place of enlistment Perth, Western Australia >> Rank >> on enlistment Private Unit name 32nd Battalion, C Company AWM Embarkation >> Roll number 23/49/1 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, >> Western Australia, on board HMAT A13 Katuna on 24 November 1915 The 32nd >> Bn >> (Headquarters, Signallers, A, B, C, and D Companies) embarked on two >> ships, >> HMAT A2 'Geelong', on 18 November 1915, and HMAT A13 'Katuna', on 24 >> November 1915. The Embarkation Roll does not distinguish between these >> ships, and it is therefore not possible from the Embarkation Roll to >> ascertain on which ship an individual embarked. Those who enlisted in >> Western Australia embarked at Fremantle (date not recorded). >> Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 32nd Battalion Fate >> Killed in Action 20 July 1916 >> Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) *Given name Robert Grieve Place of >> death or wounding Fromelles, France Age at death 21 Age at death from >> cemetery records 21 Place of burial Rue-Petillon Military Cemetery (Plot >> I, >> Row L, Grave No. 46), France Panel number, Roll of Honour, Australian War >> Memorial 121 Miscellaneous information fromcemetery records Parents: >> Andrew >> and Christian SCOTT, Upper Keir, Thornhyill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland >> Other >> details War service: Egypt, Western Front >> Embarked Fremantle, 24 November 1915; found guilty, at sea, 3 December >> 1915, >> of failing to comply with ship's regulation viz: leaving hammock on deck: >> awarded 1 extra guard; disembarked Suez, 18 December 1915.Embarked >> Alexandria to join the British Expeditionary Force, 17 June 1916; >> disembarked Marseilles, France, 23 June 1916.Reported missing, 20 July >> 1916. >> >> Identification disc received from Germany (German Death List, 4 November >> 1916). No particulars were afforded except that soldier is deceased. To >> be >> reported as KILLED IN ACTION 20/7/16. >> >> German report, 2 August 1916: 'austr. Sold. Scott, R.G.M. Nr. 1046. C. >> 32. >> A.I.F. am 19.7.16 in Gegen Fromelles gefallen.' >> >> Note on Red Cross File No 2440110: 'The above name appeared on German >> death >> list dated 4-11-16.' >> >> Letter, Imperial War Graves Commission, London, to mother, 10 October >> 1924: >> ' ... it has been necessary to renumber certain graves in Rue Petillon >> Military Cemetery and that in consequence the full number of the grave >> believed to be that of Private R.G. M. Scott is now Plot 1, Row L, Grave >> 46. >> As you are aware the grave is marked by a cross bearing the name, >> regimental >> particulrs and date of death of Private Scott, preceded by the words >> "Believed to be." This cross will in due course be replaced by a >> permanent >> memorial, and, should no subsequent doubt have arisen as to the identity >> of >> the grave, the words "Believed to be" can be omitted, if you wish, from >> the >> inscription on this stone.' >> Medals: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal >> Miscellaneous details Conflicting details regarding embarkation: charge >> sheet (file p. 35) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT A2 'Geelong'; file >> (p. >> 37) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT 'Katuna' from Fremantle. >> Sources NAA: B2455, SCOTT Robert Grieve Moncrieff >> Red Cross file 24401 >> >> >> Rhoda wasn't sure but she thought DNA had to come for the paternal line. >> Does anyone know? >> Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to >> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to >> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >> ************************************************ > > _________________________________________________________________ > If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. 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Hi List, recently I sent a request to the Edinburgh list in an attempt to find relations of this soldier whose remains were in a mass grave at Fromelles. The army are trying to find relations so they can without doubt identify this soldier. Robert Grieve Moncrieff Scott was born Perth Scotland 15th Jan 1895 at 175 South St Perth. His father was Andrew Moncrieff Scott civil engineer and his mother Christian Bryden Grieve they married 5th April 1893 at Perth I copy the information that Rhoda has found It looks as if Christian was living in Glasgow in 1901 with her son Robert. The 1901 Census has a Christian/Christina SCOTT aged 36 born Killin, Perthshire and her son Robert aged 6, born Perth, living in the Bridgeton district of Glasgow. Christina was a hospital nurse and a widow. I looked at the marriage entry on Scotlands People, and the Christian Brydon GRIEVE who married Andrew M SCOTT was a hospital nurse. According to the marriage entry, Andrew Moncrieff SCOTT, 30, was the son of Andrew SCOTT, Banker, deceased and Maggie MONCRIEF (deceased). Christian GRIEVE, 29, was the daughter of Robert Grieve, farmer (deceased), and Janet BRYDON/BRYDEN (deceased). Andrew and Christian were married in St Ninians Cathedral, Perth, in a Scottish episcopalian ceremony. Andrew was a Bachelor, and Christian a spinster. Christina Bryden SCOTT m.s.GRIEVE died in Kier, Dumfries in 1932, aged 69. Her sister, M H GRIEVE (presumably unmarried), was the informant. Ir appears that Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT was an only child unless of course Andrew didn't die or was a bigamist........ I can't find a death for Andrew Scott in Scotland between 1894 and 1901. There are 2 who could be him on the SP death index, but I have looked at the images and they are not him. And not easy to find Andrew SCOTT before 1893. There was an unmarried Andrew Scott, 29, born Glasgow, in the 1891 census, a marine (not civil) engineer and a patient in Glasgow Royal Infirmary. This is a possibility I suppose; Christian may have been a nurse in the Infirmary. However in 1891, Christian was an "unemployed nurse" living in the house of her Uncle Thomas GRIEVE, 64. born Westerkirk, Dumfries, a farmer in Innerwick, Glen Lyon, Perthshire. I suppose she may have got a job in Glasgow Royal Infirmary later that year. Also in the house were William GRIEVE, 29, and James GRIEVE, 24, both nephews of Thomas Grieve. They may have been Christian's brothers. Also in 1891, I found an Andrew M SCOTT, born Scotland abt 1863, living in Cardiff with his wife Elizabeth, born in the Channel Islands. He was a Road Contractor's Manager which I suppose could translate loosely as a civil engineer. I can't find a birth for Andrew Moncrieff Scott nor a marriage for his parents. "I have just looked for Andrew Moncrieff Scott on the public trees on Ancestry.com and have copied this biography of Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT from one of the trees. It has been placed on a tree called "19th July 1916: 5th Division". Note that according to the details he gave of his next of kin, his father was still alive when he enlisted, and living at "Thornhill, Perthshire, Scotland", despite his mother describing herself as a widow in the 1901 census. And later down the biog his parents are named as Andrew and Christian SCOTT of Upper Kier, Thornyhill, Dumfriesshire. This is where Christian died in 1932. I suggest we move this topic to the Perthshire/Dumfriesshire lists? This is the biography from the tree: Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT Regimental number 1046 Place of birth Perth, Scotland School Thornhill School, Perthshire, Scotland Age on arrival in Australia 18 Religion Presbyterian Occupation Farm hand Address Perth GPO, Perth, Western Australia Marital status Single Age at embarkation 21 Height 5' 9.5" Weight 136 lbs Next of kin Father, Andrew Moncrieff Scott, Thornhill, Perthshire, Scotland Previous military service Served in the Senior Cadets (Area 88 B), Perth, Western Australia. Enlistment date 17 July 1915 Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 10 July 1915 Place of enlistment Perth, Western Australia Rank on enlistment Private Unit name 32nd Battalion, C Company AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/49/1 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, Western Australia, on board HMAT A13 Katuna on 24 November 1915 The 32nd Bn (Headquarters, Signallers, A, B, C, and D Companies) embarked on two ships, HMAT A2 'Geelong', on 18 November 1915, and HMAT A13 'Katuna', on 24 November 1915. The Embarkation Roll does not distinguish between these ships, and it is therefore not possible from the Embarkation Roll to ascertain on which ship an individual embarked. Those who enlisted in Western Australia embarked at Fremantle (date not recorded). Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 32nd Battalion Fate Killed in Action 20 July 1916 Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) *Given name Robert Grieve Place of death or wounding Fromelles, France Age at death 21 Age at death from cemetery records 21 Place of burial Rue-Petillon Military Cemetery (Plot I, Row L, Grave No. 46), France Panel number, Roll of Honour, Australian War Memorial 121 Miscellaneous information fromcemetery records Parents: Andrew and Christian SCOTT, Upper Keir, Thornhyill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland Other details War service: Egypt, Western Front Embarked Fremantle, 24 November 1915; found guilty, at sea, 3 December 1915, of failing to comply with ship's regulation viz: leaving hammock on deck: awarded 1 extra guard; disembarked Suez, 18 December 1915.Embarked Alexandria to join the British Expeditionary Force, 17 June 1916; disembarked Marseilles, France, 23 June 1916.Reported missing, 20 July 1916. Identification disc received from Germany (German Death List, 4 November 1916). No particulars were afforded except that soldier is deceased. To be reported as KILLED IN ACTION 20/7/16. German report, 2 August 1916: 'austr. Sold. Scott, R.G.M. Nr. 1046. C. 32. A.I.F. am 19.7.16 in Gegen Fromelles gefallen.' Note on Red Cross File No 2440110: 'The above name appeared on German death list dated 4-11-16.' Letter, Imperial War Graves Commission, London, to mother, 10 October 1924: ' ... it has been necessary to renumber certain graves in Rue Petillon Military Cemetery and that in consequence the full number of the grave believed to be that of Private R.G. M. Scott is now Plot 1, Row L, Grave 46. As you are aware the grave is marked by a cross bearing the name, regimental particulrs and date of death of Private Scott, preceded by the words "Believed to be." This cross will in due course be replaced by a permanent memorial, and, should no subsequent doubt have arisen as to the identity of the grave, the words "Believed to be" can be omitted, if you wish, from the inscription on this stone.' Medals: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal Miscellaneous details Conflicting details regarding embarkation: charge sheet (file p. 35) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT A2 'Geelong'; file (p. 37) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT 'Katuna' from Fremantle. Sources NAA: B2455, SCOTT Robert Grieve Moncrieff Red Cross file 24401 Rhoda wasn't sure but she thought DNA had to come for the paternal line. Does anyone know? Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia

Good advice, Al. ________________________________ From: "dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com" <dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 2:02:06 AM Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 55 Today's Topics:   1. Re: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 53       (alwiensc@pgonline.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:22:13 -0700 From: <alwiensc@pgonline.com> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5,     Issue 53 To: Joe Patterson <joropa3@emerytelcom.net> Cc: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <f11359bc43590b71b859ebe49c155965@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello Joe and the Dumfries-galloway list. I agree with your sentiments about the spam but the list moderator should first check with the person who supposedly emailed this and discuss. Quite often with aol or hotmail or gmail accounts spammers are able to get a hold of the address and send spam out, while making it look like it came from this person. I have received a number of spam messages with the return address of some of my friends but they did not send it. I have also received reports of spammer's using my email address as a 'sender'. So we should probably check with mdotson973 first before we simply kick them off the list, especially since this has only happened once. If it continues then perhaps additional steps could be taken. My 2 cents Al Wiensczyk Researching: Richardson in Lochmaben - 1770's. On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:11:41 -0600, Joe Patterson <joropa3@emerytelcom.net> wrote: > Please remove this spammer. > On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:02 AM, dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>  1. Romano Sun (mdotson973@aol.com) >> >> ------------------------------ To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 55 ************************************************

Hello Joe and the Dumfries-galloway list. I agree with your sentiments about the spam but the list moderator should first check with the person who supposedly emailed this and discuss. Quite often with aol or hotmail or gmail accounts spammers are able to get a hold of the address and send spam out, while making it look like it came from this person. I have received a number of spam messages with the return address of some of my friends but they did not send it. I have also received reports of spammer's using my email address as a 'sender'. So we should probably check with mdotson973 first before we simply kick them off the list, especially since this has only happened once. If it continues then perhaps additional steps could be taken. My 2 cents Al Wiensczyk Researching: Richardson in Lochmaben - 1770's. On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:11:41 -0600, Joe Patterson <joropa3@emerytelcom.net> wrote: > Please remove this spammer. > On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:02 AM, dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Romano Sun (mdotson973@aol.com) >> >>

Hello there, I was recently trying to run an old DOS based CD I have but cannot for the life of me recall how it opened to gain access to the database etc, if anyone used to volunteer at the LDS perhaps 3-5 years ago and recalls how to run the Old Red CD, and what was required to access the Kirk records will they please contact me off list? Cheers Aye Jim Patterson

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OK we are getting somewhere! In 1891 census Donald is a quarry man In 1881 census he is in Morton parish age 26 as a lodger. No wife! So possibly married after this. He is born in Nairn, In Scotlandspeople there is a Margaret Wells born 1861 in Dumfriesshire. Not sure what parish Gaston is in. Maybe someone else can help there before I waste some credits! Kay On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:31, June Dugaro wrote: > Hi Kay > Yes this family you found on the 1891 census is the family and > children I am interested in. > Thank you, June > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kay McMeekin > To: June Dugaro ; DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:18 AM > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] marriage look up > > Hi June > I'm not seeing any marriage on scotlandspeople. > > What else can you tell us? eg names of children > > In 1891 census (from ancestry) there is a possible family in Dumfries: > Donald McKenzie 35 Margaret McKenzie 28 William McKenzie 11 > Christina McKenzie 9 John McKenzie 7 George McKenzie 4 Donald > McKenzie 2 Thomas McKenzie 11 Mo > > Margaret is born in "Gastown" so looks good, but Donald is from Ross > & Cromarty. > Kay > > > On 20 Apr 2010, at 15:56, June Dugaro wrote: > >> Hello >> I am new to this list and hoping someone can help me. Looking for >> my great grandparent's marriage record. Their first child was born >> in 1880 in Gaston, Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland so that is my >> starting point to find out their marriage and to verify that I have >> the correct maiden name of my great grandmother. If possible there >> is someone that could look this marriage up or tell me how I can I >> would be very thankful. >> >> 1879/80 Marriage in Gaston, Dumfries, Scotland >> Donald McKENZIE birth 1856 (?) Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland >> Spouse: Margaret WALLS (WELLS) birth 1862 (?)Dumfriesshire, Scotland >> >> With thanks, June >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > Kay McMeekin > Ayrshire > > > > > > Kay McMeekin Ayrshire

Hi June I'm not seeing any marriage on scotlandspeople. What else can you tell us? eg names of children In 1891 census (from ancestry) there is a possible family in Dumfries: Donald McKenzie 35 Margaret McKenzie 28 William McKenzie 11 Christina McKenzie 9 John McKenzie 7 George McKenzie 4 Donald McKenzie 2 Thomas McKenzie 11 Mo Margaret is born in "Gastown" so looks good, but Donald is from Ross & Cromarty. Kay On 20 Apr 2010, at 15:56, June Dugaro wrote: > Hello > I am new to this list and hoping someone can help me. Looking for > my great grandparent's marriage record. Their first child was born > in 1880 in Gaston, Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland so that is my > starting point to find out their marriage and to verify that I have > the correct maiden name of my great grandmother. If possible there > is someone that could look this marriage up or tell me how I can I > would be very thankful. > > 1879/80 Marriage in Gaston, Dumfries, Scotland > Donald McKENZIE birth 1856 (?) Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland > Spouse: Margaret WALLS (WELLS) birth 1862 (?)Dumfriesshire, Scotland > > With thanks, June > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message Kay McMeekin Ayrshire

June, I believe that the marriage record is listed as Donald McKENZIE and Maggie WELLS on 10 May 1879 in Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, page 25, line 50 (and Register of Corrected Entries, Vol 2, page 17, dated 8 Jun 1882, where it records the actual date as 10 JUNE 1879 at St. Michael's Manse). The residence of both groom and bride was listed as Georgetown, Dumfries. (I am not familiar with Gaston, Dumfries.) His parents are recorded as Andrew McKENZIE, General Labourer, and Christina McKenzie, M.S. ROSS (deceased). Her parents are recorded as William WELLS, General Labourer (deceased), and Jane Wells, M.S. BROWN (deceased). NB: Daughter Christina was born on 22 Feb 1882 in Dumfries, even though the 1891 Scotland Census referred to in previous responses lists her age as 11. Good luck in your search. Nancy (Connecticut, USA) In a message dated 04/20/10 10:56:48 Eastern Daylight Time, jdugaro@telus.net writes: Hello I am new to this list and hoping someone can help me. Looking for my great grandparent's marriage record. Their first child was born in 1880 in Gaston, Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland so that is my starting point to find out their marriage and to verify that I have the correct maiden name of my great grandmother. If possible there is someone that could look this marriage up or tell me how I can I would be very thankful. 1879/80 Marriage in Gaston, Dumfries, Scotland Donald McKENZIE birth 1856 (?) Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland Spouse: Margaret WALLS (WELLS) birth 1862 (?)Dumfriesshire, Scotland With thanks, June ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I am new to this list and hoping someone can help me. Looking for my great grandparent's marriage record. Their first child was born in 1880 in Gaston, Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland so that is my starting point to find out their marriage and to verify that I have the correct maiden name of my great grandmother. If possible there is someone that could look this marriage up or tell me how I can I would be very thankful. 1879/80 Marriage in Gaston, Dumfries, Scotland Donald McKENZIE birth 1856 (?) Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland Spouse: Margaret WALLS (WELLS) birth 1862 (?)Dumfriesshire, Scotland With thanks, June

Hi Paul I have contacted Irene Manning by phone as I live in NSW also. She has agreed that I can give you her details off list. Ella Ross Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Francis" <Pdfflyer@roadrunner.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:17 AM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Trying to connect with Irene Manning, NSW > Irene, > I' am trying to connect with Irene Manning, > Tidswell Street, Mount Druit, NSW due to a posting on > www.familysearch.org > which depicts last week' posting of a marraige of Alexander Wallace to > Elizabeth Colvin on 19 June 1778, and due to this posting Alexander > Wallace, > to Elizabeth Colville, same date, same place. > 1 must be correct. Can you re-check your source, you are listed as the > recent contributor > I know my mothers family grew up in Kelton area. > > All my research up till now on ScotlandsPeople site indicates the wedding > date on 19 June 1778 > has been done on the internet and indicates the first submission was > correct. Alexander married > to Elizabeth Colvin. > regards, > Paul in Pennsylvania > > Any advise on where to go and how to get this trip organised would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Sarah > Researching Smith, Livingston, Sproat, Wilson, all from Ayrshire, and > Kirkcudbrigh > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, A distant ancestor of mine bought "Hill House" in Creetown. Would "The Hill" be one and the same? Cheers, Steve.

Irene, I' am trying to connect with Irene Manning, Tidswell Street, Mount Druit, NSW due to a posting on www.familysearch.org which depicts last week' posting of a marraige of Alexander Wallace to Elizabeth Colvin on 19 June 1778, and due to this posting Alexander Wallace, to Elizabeth Colville, same date, same place. 1 must be correct. Can you re-check your source, you are listed as the recent contributor I know my mothers family grew up in Kelton area. All my research up till now on ScotlandsPeople site indicates the wedding date on 19 June 1778 has been done on the internet and indicates the first submission was correct. Alexander married to Elizabeth Colvin. regards, Paul in Pennsylvania Any advise on where to go and how to get this trip organised would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Sarah Researching Smith, Livingston, Sproat, Wilson, all from Ayrshire, and Kirkcudbrigh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, i would like a bit of advise please, I'm going to Scotland in July, i will have 5 days there to do family research.   all my fathers family are from the Castle Douglas, buittle, gatehouse of fleet areas,(and further back in my tree - Kilmarno, Ayrshire) .  i will be staying near rhonehouse so an easy drive to all these areas.   my question is how do i get started? where should i visit? churches etc, I want to have it all set out, the places i need to visit to get the different sorts of information, I'm flying in from the UAE so this trip is possibly the only family tree trip i will have for a long time.    I know my fathers family grew up on KeltonHill farm, which a cousin still owns so that's on my list.  i have found two churches that the livingston's and Sproats  are buried.  My grandparent Margaret Smith (Wilson)  and David Smith both died in 1963 at KeltonHill farm but so far i haven't found where the smiths are buried.  All my research up till now has been done on the internet. Any advise on where to go and how to get this trip organised would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Sarah Researching   Smith, Livingston, Sproat, Wilson, all from Ayrshire, and Kirkcudbrigh

Here is the link to photos I took of the village of Kirkpatrick Durham in 2006 http://www.flickr.com/photos/16717264@N03/sets/72157623848491632/ Vanessa    All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone!