Hi Robert, I found a website that has "Memorials of Sanquhar Kirkyard" by Tom Wilson at http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~cdobie/sanquhar.htm Good Luck, Ron McCall

Jody, Google Earth and Multimap.co.uk have aerial photography. Sharpness of image varies with area and is not real time - can be several years old. Google also has streetview - go to Google / maps, zoom in on the map then drag the little orange man to where you want to look .................... Web cams can be found by googling "webcam (location)" and see what comes up. They are usually real time. Jim

A while back someone on a list I am on posted a site where you can go directly to the location and there all kinds of pictures possibly i real time. Doesn't any one have a link to that site? Jody -- Jody Allen, Scottish Scribbles Blog http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh

I think you may be referring to www.geograph.org.uk That website focuses on Great Britain. There's a similar feature in Google Earth with photos of many specific locations around the world. See earth.google.com/ Cheers. Dan MacMeekin Silver Spring, Maryland, USA -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Topgraphy site From: jody allen <[1]fraochale@gmail.com> Date: Sun, May 23, 2010 8:31 pm To: "D&G Mailing List" <[2]DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> A while back someone on a list I am on posted a site where you can go directly to the location and there all kinds of pictures possibly i real time. Doesn't any one have a link to that site? Jody -- Jody Allen, Scottish Scribbles Blog [3]http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4]DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:fraochale@gmail.com 2. mailto:DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com 3. http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com/ 4. mailto:DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com

Hi Tony Thank you. Have just found this family was from Dumfries over the past couple of days. Found a tree on Ancestry yesterday and there was some good info there. Nicholas CARRUTHERS was the mother of Kate ROSS ms CARRUTHERS. Nicholas' father was David, and his father, David, and his father, Daved. Can become confusing with all these Davids :) Nicholas was born 08 May 1803 in Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries-shire, Scotland. The IGI have 08 May 1803 as her christening date. I have the birth rego that states 08/05/1803...although, I think, it looks more of a 1st than an 8th in the handwritten part of the document. David does have a brother, William CARRUTHERS, b. 03 October 1771, Johnstone, Dumfries-shire. Their parents are David and Cathrain/Katharine CARRUTHERS ms CARRUTHERS. At this stage I don't have source documentation for William, or David, and I don't have marriage details for William, either. So, I don't know whether your William and my David are siblings, or not. I did a search through the archives of this list and found quite a number of CARRUTHERS mentioned. Have done some research on Ancestry, some on Scotland's People and some on the IGI to find the family details I now have. Jeni Hi Jeni, A very tenuous connection and maybe a total red herring. Researching my son in law's family, I find that he has a 4th Gt Grandmother - Frances (aka Fanny) CARRUTHERS who married a Richard Bell in Dumfries-shire. Their daughter, Janet Bell, was born in Kirklandrigg, Dalton, Dumfries-shire in 1829. Fanny's death certificate shows her as 59yrs at her death in 1863 in Midlothian. This gives Fanny a birth date of abt 1804. Fanny's father is listed as William CARRUTHERS (he must have been born around 1780 - ish) (a brother of your David ??) and her mother as Jane Park. The name CARRUTHERS pops up quite frequently in Dumfries-shire. When Fanny's daughter, Janet, married in Kirkpatrick Flemming in 1855, the Registrar's name was John CARRUTHERS. When Fanny's husband, Richard Bell, died in Dumfries-shire in 1860 the surgeon notifying his death was James CARRUTHERS Hope this may help some. Best wishes, Tony.

Kia ora I am researching the family of David CARRUTHERS, b. 1779 in Johnstone Parish, Dumfries-shire. I would love to connect with anyone also researching this family, or anyone who knows anything about this family. Jeni Simpson Aotearoa/New Zealand

One has to realise that up until recent times, the idea of "correct" spelling - of names or words - was unheard of. Ministers, clerks, etc. wrote down names according to how they EXPECTED them to be written, or how they HEARD them spoken. If they came from a different part of the country, their expectations would differ from the practice in the current location. Even if the family were litereate, their spelling of the name would reflect their own decision on spelling it. One can find 40 or 50 variations of a single surname. A simple example: Blues/Blue/ Blew /Blews/Blaw/Bleu/and so on. All sound much the same when spoken. Often the spelling used reflects a particular part of the country. Johnstone usually comes from the Borders counties, Johnston is common in Aberdeenshire,. Johnson is predominant in Orkney, but these are generalisations. I was told by my father that our surname was lways spelled Johnson, but when I researched the family line in Ayrshire, at early 1800s the name appears as Johnston in the parish registers. So, you can find as many reasons for spelling variants as you find people with suggestions! Gordon Johnson.

Looking for connection of John Hair McCall born 1834 and died a pharmacist and a politician in Tazmania,Australia. He is thought to be a grandson of George McCall and Margaret Hair in Wanlockhead.We have info on seven children of son William, but none of the children of sons,John or Edward. Could SKS check book "Families of Wanlockhead" by H Gilbert Nichols? Also trying to find our more about St. Columba and Maughold, which Alastair McLeod at the new Highland Archives in Inverness, reports was Prince Crinnan, who was a holy man from whom the name McCall is derived. Prince McCahill was also a holy man from whom the McCall name was derived? I've asked Alexander McCall-Smith to comment also from his book the Celtic Saints. Thanks, Ron McCall

Right now we are dealing mostly with 3 spellings of our surname: Johnson, Johnston & Johnstone. A link was posted sometime ago on one of the groups that I participate on. I decided to take a look. It was an index of names from back in the mid-1500's from an area of Scotland not on the borders. I was wondering if there were any Johnston/es or variations listed. What a surprise! I found 17 variations for our surname, and here they are: 1.. Jhoneson 2.. Jhonesone 3.. Jhonson 4.. Jhonsone 5.. Jhonsoun 6.. Jhonston 7.. Jhonstone 8.. Jhonstoun 9.. Johneson 10.. Johneston 11.. Johnson 12.. Johnsone 13.. Jonsom 14.. Jonsone 15.. Jonstoun 16.. Jonkeson 17.. Jonkesone Everything but the modern spellings of Johnston & Johnstone and the kitchen sink are here, and there may be more. So when we're doing research into our family's history we need to keep in mind that there have been or are at least 19 ways to spell our surname! Doesn't that make you feel good? lol. ;-) Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Johnson" <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> To: <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] name variants > One has to realise that up until recent times, the idea of "correct" > spelling - of names or words - was unheard of. Ministers, clerks, etc. > wrote down names according to how they EXPECTED them to be written, or > how they HEARD them spoken. If they came from a different part of the > country, their expectations would differ from the practice in the > current location. > Even if the family were litereate, their spelling of the name would > reflect their own decision on spelling it. One can find 40 or 50 > variations of a single surname. A simple example: Blues/Blue/ Blew > /Blews/Blaw/Bleu/and so on. All sound much the same when spoken. Often > the spelling used reflects a particular part of the country. Johnstone > usually comes from the Borders counties, Johnston is common in > Aberdeenshire,. Johnson is predominant in Orkney, but these are > generalisations. I was told by my father that our surname was lways > spelled Johnson, but when I researched the family line in Ayrshire, at > early 1800s the name appears as Johnston in the parish registers. > So, you can find as many reasons for spelling variants as you find > people with suggestions! > Gordon Johnson. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Yvette, >> anyone who can assist in explaining how the name variants came about. >> Bear in mind Yvette that illiteracy was commonplace in the early and mid 19th Centuries. Therefore, names on documents were written down as heard and the people concerned wouldn't know whether the name was spelt rightly or wrongly. I have an Ancestor named ELIZA FLEAR whose name, on her son's birth certificate, was written as FLARE (you can almost hear the accent can't you). As she was herself unable to read or write she simply didn't realise that the Registrar had spelt her name wrongly. Best wishes, Tony. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Yvette MUIR" <ymuir1706@rogers.com> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 3:39 PM To: "Andrew" <morgjeff@alphalink.com.au>; <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Jeffrey/Jaffrey > If went to N.S.W. go to www.bdm.nsw.gov.au Otherwise suggest you ask > for > help on the mailing list for Australia as, for the other states you might > need to buy a CD. However, many on the list are willing to look things up. > > Yvette > > From: "Andrew" <morgjeff@alphalink.com.au> > To: <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:39 AM > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Jeffrey/Jaffrey > > >> Hello, >> I am wanting to make contact with any Jeffrey / Jaffrey relatives >> from Dumfrieshire or anyone who can assist in explaining how the name >> variants came about. This is an abridged version of a longer message >> posted recently. >> >> My gg grandfather John b 1841 in Middlebie as Jeffrey and emigrated to >> Australia in 1862, but have been unable to locate where he died, even >> though I can account for all his wife and children. >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If went to N.S.W. go to www.bdm.nsw.gov.au Otherwise suggest you ask for help on the mailing list for Australia as, for the other states you might need to buy a CD. However, many on the list are willing to look things up. Yvette From: "Andrew" <morgjeff@alphalink.com.au> To: <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Jeffrey/Jaffrey > Hello, > I am wanting to make contact with any Jeffrey / Jaffrey relatives > from Dumfrieshire or anyone who can assist in explaining how the name > variants came about. This is an abridged version of a longer message > posted recently. > > My gg grandfather John b 1841 in Middlebie as Jeffrey and emigrated to > Australia in 1862, but have been unable to locate where he died, even > though I can account for all his wife and children. >

Hello, I am wanting to make contact with any Jeffrey / Jaffrey relatives from Dumfrieshire or anyone who can assist in explaining how the name variants came about. This is an abridged version of a longer message posted recently. My ggg grandfather was George Jeffrey. I believe he was born as George Jaffrey and a search of Scotlands People has turned up a couple of possiblities. He married Mary Bowman, I am estimating in the early 1820's. Their children were: Elizabeth b 1826 Sarah b 1827, married Andrew Jardine and had at least a son John Jardine Mary b 1828 Jean b 1833 Janet b 1835 Margaret B 1838? All the girls were born in Hoddom as the Jaffrey name. My gg grandfather John b 1841 in Middlebie as Jeffrey and emigrated to Australia in 1862, but have been unable to locate where he died, even though I can account for all his wife and children. Interesting to reflect on how the name variants have evolved over the years. Thank you for any contact and assistance. Regards, Andrew Jeffrey

Do any of their marriage/death certs reveal indicate a time frame? J On 9 May 2010, at 13:39, Andrew wrote: > emigrated to Australia in 1862, but have been unable to locate > where he died, even though I can account for all his wife and > children.

Hello, I am wanting to make contact with any Jeffrey / Jaffrey relatives from Dumfrieshire. My ggg grandfather was George Jeffrey. I believe he was born as George Jaffrey and a search of Scotlands People has turned up a couple of possiblities. He married Mary Bowman, I am estimating in the early 1820's. Their children were: Elizabeth b 1826 Sarah b 1827 Mary b 1828 Jean b 1833 Janet b 1835 Margaret 1838? My gg grandfather John b 1841 in Middlebie. The others were born in Hoddom. The name Andrew Jardine arises as George and Mary's son in law on their death certificates. George and Mary died in 1875 in Canonbie. The 1841, 51, 61 and 71 censuses have them living around various parishes in Dumfries. My gg grandfather John Jeffrey married Elizabeth Elliot in 1861 and Andrew Armstrong was a witness. John and Elizabeth emigrated to Australia in 1862 where I have traced all their children. Alas, I have been unable to determine the fate of my gg grandfather John Jeffrey. I have been unable to locate his death in Australia or Scotland and am still searching. Contact from relatives who know more about this Jeffrey ( Jaffrey ) line, or anyone who can offer any assistance on the many name variants and how they evolved, I would love to hear from you. Regards, Andrew Jeffrey

My name is Richard Mcgarva I am trying to trace James Mcgarva born about 1769 - possibly Minnigaff Kirkcudbrightshire, or Wigtownshire, He was married to Margaret Findlay born about 1773, also possibly Minnigaff or Wigtownshire... I believe them to be the parents of Thomas Mcgarva born 1813 in minnigaff, who was my grt grt Grandfather, making James and Margaret my GT GT GT Grandparents. Any info anyone could let me have on James and Margaret, and beyond would be extremely helpful, and gratefully received. Thanks and regards Richard McGarva

At the risk of stating the obvious, have you searched under GEOFFREY. J On 5 May 2010, at 13:50, Andrew wrote: > Alas, I have been unable to determine the fate of my gg grandfather > John Jeffrey. I have been unable to locate his death in Australia > or Scotland and am still searching.

Dear list, My 5 x great grandparents were Robert LORIMER and Mary MARTIN who had a daughter Grizzell christened 27 Feb 1769 at Penpont, Dumfriesshire. Is anyone familiar with the inhabitants of Penpont, Thornhill Cemetery? Colin

do you have Alexander's death certificate? It show the names of his parents - as far as the informant knew them of course. J On 2 May 2010, at 10:04, Hammond510@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder if anyone can help me with information about John McGeoch > from > Mochrum or let me know where I can look for information. I know his > son, > Alexander McGeoch was born about 1781 in Mochrum, Wigtown and died > 14 June 1856 > in Kilbreen, Stoneykirk, Wigtown. I suspect John McGeoch was > married to > Janet Hannay, but I believe I found this information off an IGI > record so > cannot verify if it is indeed correct. I will be going to Scotland > next month. > Is there a family records centre where records for Mochrum are kept? > > I would be grateful for any assistance. > Regards > Linde > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me with information about John McGeoch from Mochrum or let me know where I can look for information. I know his son, Alexander McGeoch was born about 1781 in Mochrum, Wigtown and died 14 June 1856 in Kilbreen, Stoneykirk, Wigtown. I suspect John McGeoch was married to Janet Hannay, but I believe I found this information off an IGI record so cannot verify if it is indeed correct. I will be going to Scotland next month. Is there a family records centre where records for Mochrum are kept? I would be grateful for any assistance. Regards Linde

Hello List i know I am a dinasaur but I honestly don't get this DNA testing--- from a genealogy point of view what does it tell me? Will it find my 7th g grandfather? Will it finally prove = that I AM related to Rob Roy (I'm not being flipant - I;d love to "prove" that family line) I could come up with a male descendant through 8 generations- father to father ( is that the preferred option?) Rod, you say is from one's mother so what will it tell me? Been doing genealogy for many years and have just ignored all the DNA chat so far - can someone enlighten me ( in really simple language as I have absolutely no idea what mitochondrial means..!!!) von ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Wilson" <rodwil@shaw.ca> To: "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com>; <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 010 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > > RE: DNA > > Pam's advice is sort of ok, but let's say just a bit more. > > The main point is that different types of dna tests are now available. > The > most common is testing for mitochondrial dna, inherited only from one's > mother. So stop right there and think about that. It will not tell you > about any Viking rapists who briefly visited Dumfries; it will only tell > you > about your mother's line back into infinity. Both brothers and sisters > get > exactly the same cells from their mother, but the males will not pass it > on > to their kids. So you can mix genders in the current generation, but keep > in mind that it is the female line you're looking at. > > Less commonly, one gets y chromosones tested, and this is the male line > and > it is males only. And if there is a transient in your ancestry, it will > take you to wherever he came from. > > Most of us are probably interested in getting both types of tests done. > And > then if you want to spend a bit more, you can get a broad analysis that > will > also indicate your chances of coming down with the various ailments having > a > genetic basis that we folks are prone to. > > Rod Wilson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com> > To: <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:30 AM > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > > >> >> Re the undermentioned DNA inquiry. >> >> >> >> My daughter is assisting authorities with DNA for Australians at >> Fromelles. Her advice is: >> >> >> >> "DNA can be taken from either the descendants of a brother or sister, but >> the line must follow the same sex. So the descendant must be a daughter >> of a sister; or daughter of a daughter of a sister. Alternatively it can >> be the son of a brother, or a son of a son of a brother." >> >> >> >> Hope this makes sense but my daughter is happy to provide any further >> information, if necessary. >> >> >> >> Pam Eaton (Queensland, Australia) >> >>> From: dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >>> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:02:19 -0600 >>> >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died Fromelles 1916 >>> (Watson Family) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:50:38 +0800 >>> From: Watson Family <watsonb@iinet.com.au> >>> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died >>> Fromelles 1916 >>> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >>> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20100427164116.01c18840@mail.iinet.net.au> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>> >>> Hi List, >>> recently I sent a request to the Edinburgh list in an attempt to find >>> relations of this soldier whose remains were in a mass grave at >>> Fromelles. >>> The army are trying to find relations so they can without doubt identify >>> this soldier. Robert Grieve Moncrieff Scott was born Perth Scotland 15th >>> Jan 1895 at 175 South St Perth. His father was Andrew Moncrieff Scott >>> civil >>> engineer and his mother Christian Bryden Grieve they married 5th April >>> 1893 >>> at Perth >>> I copy the information that Rhoda has found >>> It looks as if Christian was living in Glasgow in 1901 with her son >>> Robert. >>> The 1901 Census has a Christian/Christina SCOTT aged 36 born Killin, >>> Perthshire and her son Robert aged 6, born Perth, living in the >>> Bridgeton >>> district of Glasgow. Christina was a hospital nurse and a widow. I >>> looked >>> at the marriage entry on Scotlands People, and the Christian Brydon >>> GRIEVE >>> who married Andrew M SCOTT was a hospital nurse. >>> >>> According to the marriage entry, Andrew Moncrieff SCOTT, 30, was the son >>> of >>> Andrew SCOTT, Banker, deceased and Maggie MONCRIEF (deceased). Christian >>> GRIEVE, 29, was the daughter of Robert Grieve, farmer (deceased), and >>> Janet >>> BRYDON/BRYDEN (deceased). Andrew and Christian were married in St >>> Ninians >>> Cathedral, Perth, in a Scottish episcopalian ceremony. Andrew was a >>> Bachelor, and Christian a spinster. >>> >>> Christina Bryden SCOTT m.s.GRIEVE died in Kier, Dumfries in 1932, aged >>> 69. >>> Her sister, M H GRIEVE (presumably unmarried), was the informant. Ir >>> appears that Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT was an only child unless of >>> course Andrew didn't die or was a bigamist........ >>> >>> I can't find a death for Andrew Scott in Scotland between 1894 and 1901. >>> There are 2 who could be him on the SP death index, but I have looked at >>> the >>> images and they are not him. And not easy to find Andrew SCOTT before >>> 1893. >>> There was an unmarried Andrew Scott, 29, born Glasgow, in the 1891 >>> census, a >>> marine (not civil) engineer and a patient in Glasgow Royal Infirmary. >>> This >>> is a possibility I suppose; Christian may have been a nurse in the >>> Infirmary. However in 1891, Christian was an "unemployed nurse" living >>> in >>> the house of her Uncle Thomas GRIEVE, 64. born Westerkirk, Dumfries, a >>> farmer in Innerwick, Glen Lyon, Perthshire. I suppose she may have got a >>> job >>> in Glasgow Royal Infirmary later that year. Also in the house were >>> William >>> GRIEVE, 29, and James GRIEVE, 24, both nephews of Thomas Grieve. They >>> may >>> have been Christian's brothers. >>> >>> Also in 1891, I found an Andrew M SCOTT, born Scotland abt 1863, living >>> in >>> Cardiff with his wife Elizabeth, born in the Channel Islands. He was a >>> Road >>> Contractor's Manager which I suppose could translate loosely as a civil >>> engineer. >>> >>> I can't find a birth for Andrew Moncrieff Scott nor a marriage for his >>> parents. >>> >>> "I have just looked for Andrew Moncrieff Scott on the public trees on >>> Ancestry.com and have copied this biography of Robert Grieve Moncrieff >>> SCOTT >>> from one of the trees. It has been placed on a tree called "19th July >>> 1916: >>> 5th Division". Note that according to the details he gave of his next of >>> kin, his father was still alive when he enlisted, and living at >>> "Thornhill, >>> Perthshire, Scotland", despite his mother describing herself as a widow >>> in >>> the 1901 census. And later down the biog his parents are named as Andrew >>> and Christian SCOTT of Upper Kier, Thornyhill, Dumfriesshire. This is >>> where >>> Christian died in 1932. I suggest we move this topic to the >>> Perthshire/Dumfriesshire lists? >>> >>> This is the biography from the tree: >>> >>> Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT >>> >>> Regimental number 1046 Place of birth Perth, Scotland School Thornhill >>> School, Perthshire, Scotland >>> Age on arrival in Australia 18 Religion Presbyterian Occupation Farm >>> hand >>> Address Perth GPO, Perth, Western Australia Marital status Single Age at >>> embarkation 21 Height 5' 9.5" Weight 136 lbs >>> Next of kin Father, Andrew Moncrieff Scott, Thornhill, Perthshire, >>> Scotland >>> Previous military service Served in the Senior Cadets (Area 88 B), >>> Perth, >>> Western Australia. Enlistment date 17 July 1915 Date of enlistment from >>> Nominal Roll 10 July 1915 Place of enlistment Perth, Western Australia >>> Rank >>> on enlistment Private Unit name 32nd Battalion, C Company AWM >>> Embarkation >>> Roll number 23/49/1 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, >>> Western Australia, on board HMAT A13 Katuna on 24 November 1915 The 32nd >>> Bn >>> (Headquarters, Signallers, A, B, C, and D Companies) embarked on two >>> ships, >>> HMAT A2 'Geelong', on 18 November 1915, and HMAT A13 'Katuna', on 24 >>> November 1915. The Embarkation Roll does not distinguish between these >>> ships, and it is therefore not possible from the Embarkation Roll to >>> ascertain on which ship an individual embarked. Those who enlisted in >>> Western Australia embarked at Fremantle (date not recorded). >>> Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 32nd Battalion >>> Fate >>> Killed in Action 20 July 1916 >>> Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) *Given name Robert Grieve Place of >>> death or wounding Fromelles, France Age at death 21 Age at death from >>> cemetery records 21 Place of burial Rue-Petillon Military Cemetery (Plot >>> I, >>> Row L, Grave No. 46), France Panel number, Roll of Honour, Australian >>> War >>> Memorial 121 Miscellaneous information fromcemetery records Parents: >>> Andrew >>> and Christian SCOTT, Upper Keir, Thornhyill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland >>> Other >>> details War service: Egypt, Western Front >>> Embarked Fremantle, 24 November 1915; found guilty, at sea, 3 December >>> 1915, >>> of failing to comply with ship's regulation viz: leaving hammock on >>> deck: >>> awarded 1 extra guard; disembarked Suez, 18 December 1915.Embarked >>> Alexandria to join the British Expeditionary Force, 17 June 1916; >>> disembarked Marseilles, France, 23 June 1916.Reported missing, 20 July >>> 1916. >>> >>> Identification disc received from Germany (German Death List, 4 November >>> 1916). No particulars were afforded except that soldier is deceased. To >>> be >>> reported as KILLED IN ACTION 20/7/16. >>> >>> German report, 2 August 1916: 'austr. Sold. Scott, R.G.M. Nr. 1046. C. >>> 32. >>> A.I.F. am 19.7.16 in Gegen Fromelles gefallen.' >>> >>> Note on Red Cross File No 2440110: 'The above name appeared on German >>> death >>> list dated 4-11-16.' >>> >>> Letter, Imperial War Graves Commission, London, to mother, 10 October >>> 1924: >>> ' ... it has been necessary to renumber certain graves in Rue Petillon >>> Military Cemetery and that in consequence the full number of the grave >>> believed to be that of Private R.G. M. Scott is now Plot 1, Row L, Grave >>> 46. >>> As you are aware the grave is marked by a cross bearing the name, >>> regimental >>> particulrs and date of death of Private Scott, preceded by the words >>> "Believed to be." This cross will in due course be replaced by a >>> permanent >>> memorial, and, should no subsequent doubt have arisen as to the identity >>> of >>> the grave, the words "Believed to be" can be omitted, if you wish, from >>> the >>> inscription on this stone.' >>> Medals: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal >>> Miscellaneous details Conflicting details regarding embarkation: charge >>> sheet (file p. 35) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT A2 'Geelong'; file >>> (p. >>> 37) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT 'Katuna' from Fremantle. >>> Sources NAA: B2455, SCOTT Robert Grieve Moncrieff >>> Red Cross file 24401 >>> >>> >>> Rhoda wasn't sure but she thought DNA had to come for the paternal line. >>> Does anyone know? >>> Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to >>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email >>> to >>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >>> ************************************************ >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. 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