Thanks to all on the list who helped me find Agnes. One lister phoned her and confirmed she was the right lady. I'm delighted that the one who wrote a letter in 1989, is still around and able to be contacted. A letter is in the mail. Best regards, Jeannette

This is the same request, just worded better... I would like to find Agnes Graham Watson, or anyone connected to, or searching for her. After the Lockerbie Disaster in 1988, she wrote from Dumfries, to my father, Peter Thornton. In her letter, she gave a brief family history and it appears she is indirectly related to us. I know I have information to exchange with her, and would appreciate any help finding her or a descendant. Many thanks, Jeannette

I would like to find either the lady named above or someone connected to her. After the Lockerbie Disaster in 1988, she wrote to my father, Peter Thornton, from Dumfries. In her letter, she gave a brief family history and it appears she is indirectly related to us. I know I have information to exchange with her, and would appreciate any help finding her or a descendant. Many thanks, Jeannette

Hi I am trying to find out the date of my greatgrandmother's death. Her name was Elizabeth Bell. Her parents were Adam Bell and Margaret Selby (or Silby or Sealby). She lived at Priorhill. She was born in 1852. She married Andres Scott at Gretna in 1875. They lived at Priorhill until about 1891-1895. Thereafter they lived at Slackend near Penton in Cumberland until after 1901. Thereafter i have no record of her. Andrew died in Nichol Forest in 1900. I have a record of her death of her father Adam Bell in dec 1901. The person who was witness to the death was John Scott, her son. I'd be grateful for any information. I thought I had traced her to Carlisle. There are records of the deaths of several elizabeth Scott in Cumberland but none of them seem to fit. One of her duaghters Ellen lived in Carlsis during the 1st World War and I know my grandmother Jean Scott must have also lived in Carlisle during that time from letters and autograph book. she worked at the munitions factory at East Riggs. With Thanks Maureen Anderson

Hi all, am new to the list I have been tracing my Rickarby family, who came to Australia from Liverpool, in 1853. However, I know they were builders and merchants from Dumfries before that. They were in Liverpool from the late 1700s. One was described as a Jamaican merchant and another as a tea merchant. I know very little of the life in Dumfries about that time and wonder if anyone can point me in the right direction to find out about the merchants. I also want o find out what kind of records are available locally, I have explored and recorded most of the info on the net - bmd and census, but would like to know what can be discovered at a local level. The earliest Rickerbie I have is Jonathon b abt 1694, Dumfries. The interesting one I am trying to track is Jean Rickarby (her married name) widow of John Rickarby, Jean died in 1847 in Liverpool aged 101, and in 1941 the census said she came from Scotland. As one of her descendants had the name George Francis Hartley Hyslop Rickarby, I am hoping she might be the Hyslop connection (grandma was the Hartley) Looking forward to hearing from you regards Marg (Rickarby) O'Leary NSW, Australia

If there are any Moffat's on the list living close to Moffat you should have a look at the Clan Moffat website regarding the gathering and AGM this coming week.  Sandy (Glentrool)

Thank you, Sandy and Judy.  Your replies went a long way toward removing the bad taste left in my mouth by Mr. Johnson.  You both understood exactly what I meant by "exchange of information" (as did another very nice lady from Scotland).  Mr. Johnson, I am a senior citizen, who is totally blind in one eye, partly blind in the other one, totally deaf, and so I do not always type plain "English" (mainly because I can't spell worth a fig and my email does not have spell check).  If you wanted to say something you should have said it off line, and not insulted my Scotland roots.  I think you have also insulted the spirit of the native Scot for who I am trying to do research.  A man who has been dead for over a hundred years, and for whom I have gone to the cost of copying, transportation, etc. to try to find some family on your side of the creek so his spirit can rest in peace.  This man is not related to me, I am doing this as a "Labor of Love" on behalf of a man that I wish I had been able to meet and would have held in the highest regard.  A man that I think Dumfries (where he came from) would be proud of if they know his history.  I am trying to find his family so I can share that history.  Now please give it a rest and don't worry about your pocketbook so much.  It's one thing to be a "Thrifty Scott" and quite another to insult a research volunteer. Jo Ann ________________________________ From: "dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com" <dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, July 29, 2010 2:02:09 AM Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 94 Today's Topics:   1. Re: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 93 (Gordon Johnson)   2. Re: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 93 (sandy stevenson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:15:07 +0100 From: Gordon Johnson <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5,     Issue 93 To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4C50113B.4010002@kinhelp.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed ** Quite right, Judy. As a retired professional librarian, I am used to LIBRARIES sharing materials with other LIBRARIES. I recall during the cold war our library being asked to lend a book of poetry to Moscow - which we did, AND got it back again! What the enquiry was about was expecting libraries to do some sort of exchange of data with an individual.. Kind regards, Gordon. On 28/07/2010 08:02, Judy wrote: > Dear all > > Modern libraries are very much in the business of sharing data. For > example: > > http://www.nls.uk/about/partnerships/interlibraryservices/services/ > index.html > > As well as the ILL (Inter Library Loan) scheme there are seemingly > endless committees both national and international, all dedicated to > creating master catalogues and sharing resources. > > The National Library of Scotland for example has been working for > years to turn itself into a virtual library that can be accessed from > anywhere in the world. There is a huge amount of digital material > available entirely free of charge, including maps and newspapers. > This is all free of charge and most is available remotely. > > > >    ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:12:11 +0000 (GMT) From: sandy stevenson <sandyahbs@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5,     Issue 93 To: Gordon Johnson <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk>,     dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <623399.18988.qm@web87102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I remember when I worked for a Govt. Department in Oz their library had inter library lending also.? Sandy (Glentrool) ________________________________ From: Gordon Johnson <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 28 July, 2010 12:15:07 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 93 ** Quite right, Judy. As a retired professional librarian, I am used to LIBRARIES sharing materials with other LIBRARIES. I recall during the cold war our library being asked to lend a book of poetry to Moscow - which we did, AND got it back again! What the enquiry was about was expecting libraries to do some sort of exchange of data with an individual.. Kind regards, Gordon. On 28/07/2010 08:02, Judy wrote: > Dear all > > Modern libraries are very much in the business of sharing data. For > example: > > http://www.nls.uk/about/partnerships/interlibraryservices/services/ > index.html > > As well as the ILL (Inter Library Loan) scheme there are seemingly > endless committees both national and international, all dedicated to > creating master catalogues and sharing resources. > > The National Library of Scotland for example has been working for > years to turn itself into a virtual library that can be accessed from > anywhere in the world. There is a huge amount of digital material > available entirely free of charge, including maps and newspapers. > This is all free of charge and most is available remotely. > > > >? ? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 94 ************************************************

I remember when I worked for a Govt. Department in Oz their library had inter library lending also.  Sandy (Glentrool) ________________________________ From: Gordon Johnson <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 28 July, 2010 12:15:07 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 93 ** Quite right, Judy. As a retired professional librarian, I am used to LIBRARIES sharing materials with other LIBRARIES. I recall during the cold war our library being asked to lend a book of poetry to Moscow - which we did, AND got it back again! What the enquiry was about was expecting libraries to do some sort of exchange of data with an individual.. Kind regards, Gordon. On 28/07/2010 08:02, Judy wrote: > Dear all > > Modern libraries are very much in the business of sharing data. For > example: > > http://www.nls.uk/about/partnerships/interlibraryservices/services/ > index.html > > As well as the ILL (Inter Library Loan) scheme there are seemingly > endless committees both national and international, all dedicated to > creating master catalogues and sharing resources. > > The National Library of Scotland for example has been working for > years to turn itself into a virtual library that can be accessed from > anywhere in the world. There is a huge amount of digital material > available entirely free of charge, including maps and newspapers. > This is all free of charge and most is available remotely. > > > >    ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

** Quite right, Judy. As a retired professional librarian, I am used to LIBRARIES sharing materials with other LIBRARIES. I recall during the cold war our library being asked to lend a book of poetry to Moscow - which we did, AND got it back again! What the enquiry was about was expecting libraries to do some sort of exchange of data with an individual.. Kind regards, Gordon. On 28/07/2010 08:02, Judy wrote: > Dear all > > Modern libraries are very much in the business of sharing data. For > example: > > http://www.nls.uk/about/partnerships/interlibraryservices/services/ > index.html > > As well as the ILL (Inter Library Loan) scheme there are seemingly > endless committees both national and international, all dedicated to > creating master catalogues and sharing resources. > > The National Library of Scotland for example has been working for > years to turn itself into a virtual library that can be accessed from > anywhere in the world. There is a huge amount of digital material > available entirely free of charge, including maps and newspapers. > This is all free of charge and most is available remotely. > > > >

Dear all Modern libraries are very much in the business of sharing data. For example: http://www.nls.uk/about/partnerships/interlibraryservices/services/ index.html As well as the ILL (Inter Library Loan) scheme there are seemingly endless committees both national and international, all dedicated to creating master catalogues and sharing resources. The National Library of Scotland for example has been working for years to turn itself into a virtual library that can be accessed from anywhere in the world. There is a huge amount of digital material available entirely free of charge, including maps and newspapers. This is all free of charge and most is available remotely. Judy On 27 Jul 2010, at 11:05, Gordon Johnson wrote: > *** Jo Ann, I don't understand why you should expect any library "to > exchange information"? They are not in the business of exchanging > data. > Their task is to make their contents available to their clientele by > whatever means their legal setup permits. Local public libraries and > local archives operate under local authority aegis; national libraries > and national archives operate under national legal frameworks; > companies, private organisations and universities operate according to > the rules of their parent bodies. As far as I am aware, NONE > operate any > type of exchange of data scheme. They may accept material as a > donation > for others to use; or they may wish to buy items. That is their remit. > Almost all sources of data are accessible today. It is just that some > bodies either charge for their help, or expect you to turn up in > person > to make use of it, or both. There is of course the legal restrictions > imposed by the 100-year privacy closure rule for much government > data on > individuals, but some of it (depending on how it is held: there are > complications) may be accessed under the recent Freedom of Information > Act, if you ask the right people in the right way.... > Regards, > Gordon Johnson > > On 27/07/2010 08:01, Joann wrote: >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson for enlightening me on something I did not >> know.? >> >> However, seems to me those different records still "remain almost >> inacessiable."? I guess I just don't know where to search.? >> >> >> And it still seems to me, that one should be able to ask someone >> in one of the >> libraries to exchange information.? They would gain and so would I. >> >> Thank you again, >> Jo Ann >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

*** Jo Ann, I don't understand why you should expect any library "to exchange information"? They are not in the business of exchanging data. Their task is to make their contents available to their clientele by whatever means their legal setup permits. Local public libraries and local archives operate under local authority aegis; national libraries and national archives operate under national legal frameworks; companies, private organisations and universities operate according to the rules of their parent bodies. As far as I am aware, NONE operate any type of exchange of data scheme. They may accept material as a donation for others to use; or they may wish to buy items. That is their remit. Almost all sources of data are accessible today. It is just that some bodies either charge for their help, or expect you to turn up in person to make use of it, or both. There is of course the legal restrictions imposed by the 100-year privacy closure rule for much government data on individuals, but some of it (depending on how it is held: there are complications) may be accessed under the recent Freedom of Information Act, if you ask the right people in the right way.... Regards, Gordon Johnson On 27/07/2010 08:01, Joann wrote: > Thank you, Mr. Johnson for enlightening me on something I did not know.? > > However, seems to me those different records still "remain almost > inacessiable."? I guess I just don't know where to search.? > > > And it still seems to me, that one should be able to ask someone in one of the > libraries to exchange information.? They would gain and so would I. > > Thank you again, > Jo Ann >

Thank you, Mr. Johnson for enlightening me on something I did not know.  However, seems to me those different records still "remain almost inacessiable."  I guess I just don't know where to search.  And it still seems to me, that one should be able to ask someone in one of the libraries to exchange information.  They would gain and so would I. Thank you again, Jo Ann ________________________________ From: "dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com" <dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 2:02:11 AM Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 91 Today's Topics:   1. Re: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 90 (Gordon Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:50:46 +0100 From: Gordon Johnson <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5,     Issue 90 To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4C4C08F6.8080406@kinhelp.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 25/07/2010 08:02, Jo Ann wrote: > Sandy, you said: " Genealogy is a very big earner in this county . . . ."? I >was > just wondering a few days ago why it is so hard to find any information in > Scotland on ancestors without shelling out moeny for it, unlike the States, > where many websites are free, and people so freely share their information > without expecting payment.? ** Jo Ann, the main difference is due to copyright. In the USA, the government does not hold a copyright on its records, whereas in the UK, the Crown (read Government) holds copyright in all national government records - civil registration, census returns, etc.. This means the government bodies can make charges for use of the material, or delegate this to another body (such as Scotlandspeople). They have discovered that they can make a lot of income through relatively small fees per item, and this (in theory at least) means that more records can be indexed, digitized, etc. and so made readily available without the taxpayer having to pay for this. If there had been no prospect of income, the government records would remain almost inaccessible.... Regards, Gordon Johnson. ------------------------------ To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 91 ************************************************

On 25/07/2010 08:02, Jo Ann wrote: > Sandy, you said: " Genealogy is a very big earner in this county . . . ."? I was > just wondering a few days ago why it is so hard to find any information in > Scotland on ancestors without shelling out moeny for it, unlike the States, > where many websites are free, and people so freely share their information > without expecting payment.? ** Jo Ann, the main difference is due to copyright. In the USA, the government does not hold a copyright on its records, whereas in the UK, the Crown (read Government) holds copyright in all national government records - civil registration, census returns, etc.. This means the government bodies can make charges for use of the material, or delegate this to another body (such as Scotlandspeople). They have discovered that they can make a lot of income through relatively small fees per item, and this (in theory at least) means that more records can be indexed, digitized, etc. and so made readily available without the taxpayer having to pay for this. If there had been no prospect of income, the government records would remain almost inaccessible.... Regards, Gordon Johnson.

Hello Gary, It sound like you have already done a lot of research in Scottish records, so you may have already done my suggestions, but I'll offer them anyway. When you think in North American terms Scottish parishes were tiny. Sorbie was only 6 miles across. So also look in neighbouring parishes for records. You can also see what years particular parish registers are extant on the Scotlandspeople website in their information links. http://www.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk/research/list-of-oprs.html If you find the Statistical Accounts for Sorbie parish at http://edina.ac.uk/ And read the one for 1838, it says that the OPRs for Sorbie weren't kept up very well. It also briefly mentions the schools. Kirk Session records might be another source. Sorbie doesn't seem to be filmed by the LDS so you'd have to look for them at the National archives. Some of the kirk session records for parishes have a few births and marriages in them. There is also a mailing list just for Wigtownshire you could check. You could also check with the Dumfries and Galloway Family History Society and see what Monumental Inscriptions they have for Sorbie and Wigtown. Maybe there is one for Margaret's husband. They have a computer database. Jane/Jean's 1900 census record said she immigrated to US in 1850. Although sometimes the immigration date isn't correct, there might be a chance the family is in the 1841 Scotland census. Also check Adams spelling minus the s. I took a quick look but nothing seemed to fit. Newspapers may be a source. You might be lucky and find something. When one of my ancestors died in Canada, a notice appeared in the Dumfries paper. It was the only record I ever found about his death. There is a published index in several volumes called 'A local index of the "Dumfries and Galloway Standard and Advertiser" and its predecessors over 200 years' Other newspapers are also indexed by the local Archives: http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=2300 Good Luck Joanna Waugh > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:51:27 -0400 > From: Gary Gaertner <garygaertner@gmail.com> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Jane Adams: born 1 Nov 1825, Garlieston, > and Margaret McGarva Adams, born about 1805 > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimj0chX82pBOjY4Cm2AC2iDyc6N78eMj5VwpK4t@mail.gmai > l.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello: > I am a new lister, and I would be extremely grateful for any suggestions. > My direct ancestor, Jane Adams, stated that she was born on 1 Nov 1825 in > Garlieston, Wigtownshire. Presumably Garlieston belonged to the parish of > Sorbie.

Sandy, you said: " Genealogy is a very big earner in this county . . . ."  I was just wondering a few days ago why it is so hard to find any information in Scotland on ancestors without shelling out moeny for it, unlike the States, where many websites are free, and people so freely share their information without expecting payment.  I guess you answered the "Why" of my question.  On the other hand, thousands of cemeteries in the States are negected.  A great many have been destoryed due to farming, ranching, building, and just plain meanness by snotnosed, bored, spoiled kids who should be made to clean up the damage on their knees, using toothbrushes, while being allowed only one 30 minute break a day for a lunch of bread and water.  I think Scotland is doing a better job than we do here in the states.  Hope I am not stepping on anyone's toes by venting (except the toes of those who do damage on purpose, I will gladly stop on their toes anytime) Jo Ann ________________________________ From: "dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com" <dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, July 24, 2010 2:02:18 AM Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 89 Today's Topics:   1. St Mungo cemetery (sandy stevenson)   2. Re: St Mungo cemetery (Ian A McClumpha) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:50:24 +0000 (GMT) From: sandy stevenson <sandyahbs@btinternet.com> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] St Mungo cemetery To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <433151.45086.qm@web87114.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My husband and I decided that seeing it was such a lovely sunny day we'd go headstone hunting for my husbands ancestors?at Ruthwell, Torthorwald, Caerlaverock & St Mungo.? All the cemeteries were easily accessible except St Mungo which was so overgrown we were worried about meeting up with an adder.? Is there anyone on the list who would know whether there is anyone responsible for the upkeep of this cemetery as it's a disgrace especially when people travel so far from overseas and the like to search for their ancestors.? Genealogy is a very big earner in this country, so maybe someone should be looking after our income. Sandy (Glentrool) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:36:32 +0100 From: "Ian A McClumpha" <imchad@freeola.com> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] St Mungo cemetery To: "'sandy stevenson'" <sandyahbs@btinternet.com>,     <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <20100723231750.E92F0C9B59@smtp1.freeola.net> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Sandy As far as I am aware it is the responsibility of Dumfries & Galloway regional Council to keep graveyards in good order.  They seem to do sterling work in the modern graveyards but the older cemeteries seem to suffer from neglect. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research?  Let Imchad Ancestry assist you.  Please look at  our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sandy stevenson Sent: 23 July 2010 22:50 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] St Mungo cemetery My husband and I decided that seeing it was such a lovely sunny day we'd go headstone hunting for my husbands ancestors?at Ruthwell, Torthorwald, Caerlaverock & St Mungo.? All the cemeteries were easily accessible except St Mungo which was so overgrown we were worried about meeting up with an adder.? Is there anyone on the list who would know whether there is anyone responsible for the upkeep of this cemetery as it's a disgrace especially when people travel so far from overseas and the like to search for their ancestors.? Genealogy is a very big earner in this country, so maybe someone should be looking after our income. Sandy (Glentrool) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 89 ************************************************

Hi Sandy As far as I am aware it is the responsibility of Dumfries & Galloway regional Council to keep graveyards in good order. They seem to do sterling work in the modern graveyards but the older cemeteries seem to suffer from neglect. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sandy stevenson Sent: 23 July 2010 22:50 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] St Mungo cemetery My husband and I decided that seeing it was such a lovely sunny day we'd go headstone hunting for my husbands ancestors at Ruthwell, Torthorwald, Caerlaverock & St Mungo.  All the cemeteries were easily accessible except St Mungo which was so overgrown we were worried about meeting up with an adder.  Is there anyone on the list who would know whether there is anyone responsible for the upkeep of this cemetery as it's a disgrace especially when people travel so far from overseas and the like to search for their ancestors.  Genealogy is a very big earner in this country, so maybe someone should be looking after our income. Sandy (Glentrool) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My husband and I decided that seeing it was such a lovely sunny day we'd go headstone hunting for my husbands ancestors at Ruthwell, Torthorwald, Caerlaverock & St Mungo.  All the cemeteries were easily accessible except St Mungo which was so overgrown we were worried about meeting up with an adder.  Is there anyone on the list who would know whether there is anyone responsible for the upkeep of this cemetery as it's a disgrace especially when people travel so far from overseas and the like to search for their ancestors.  Genealogy is a very big earner in this country, so maybe someone should be looking after our income. Sandy (Glentrool)

Hello: I am a new lister, and I would be extremely grateful for any suggestions. My direct ancestor, Jane Adams, stated that she was born on 1 Nov 1825 in Garlieston, Wigtownshire. Presumably Garlieston belonged to the parish of Sorbie. The grave stone still clearly shows the date of birth, and I spent many years in research, until I found the mention of Garlieston in an old local church record. Jane's mother was Margaret McGarva Adams, who was born in about 1805, based upon her age stated in the one time her name was found in a United States census in 1860. Thus far, I have found no mention of any of them in any record in Scotland. According to one of her granddaughters in a last interview in 1984, Margaret McGarva Adams worked as a school teacher in Scotland. I have found a record from Garlieston in 1831 listing someone named John McGarva as a private schoolteacher in Garlieston. Presumably he was some sort of relative of Margaret McGarva Adams. The foregoing is all of the 'hard' information that we have. The more general family legend is as follows. A prominent Pennsylvania Judge, who was born in Scotland, decided to bring a good Scottish Protestant teacher to the United States for his children. At that time, the best schools in Pittsburgh were operated by Catholics. Margaret McGarva Adams was a widow, and decided to move to the United States with two children to accept the job. Her daughter Jane traveled with Margaret, married here in Pittsburgh and lived on a farm until she died at age 75 early in 1901. However, the legend is that Margaret's son James died on a subsequent Atlantic ship crossing, which he was required to work in order to pay off his travel fare.The legend is that Margaret's husband was also known as James Adams, though many suspect that the names of the son and the husband were confused. I have looked at some LDS records with no luck. I understand that the Old Parish Registers may not be complete. However, it seems strange to me that nothing has been found: no birth record for Margaret, no marriage record for Margaret, no birth record for Jane, no birth record for any other child. Does anyone have any ideas? It is pure speculation, but I have wondered whether Margaret and her children moved to Garlieston to obtain employment at the school, after Margaret's husband had died. Jane Adams married here in 1853 although the actual marriage record is missing from the civil records. Jane Adams had eight children, twenty-four grandchildren, and many more descendants after them. The family here in the U.S. would like to know whether Jane and her mother left any family behind in Scotland, and whether anything more about the ancestry can be found. We would be happy to find a place to start. We have only found one written record showing that Margaret McGarva Adams ever existed, and that is the U.S. census from 1860. In June 30, 1886, Jane Adams entered the following lines in beautiful hand-writing in her daughter Sarah's autograph book: "To Sarah, Time is the sand of life, And when we waste a grain, And wish to get it back, We can but wish in vain. From your loving mother". My greetings to all of you. I would be very grateful if you could give me any suggestions or assistance. I would be happy to extend the same courtesy, and assist anyone who might want a "look up" here in Pittsburgh in southwestern Pennsylvania. Thank you. Gary Gaertner -- ============================================================================================================================== Gary J. Gaertner Attorney at Law Phelan Hallinan & Schmieg, LLP Omni William Penn Office Tower 555 Grant Street, Suite 360 Pittsburgh, PA 15219 Voice: 412-745-0600 ext 1521 Facsimile: 412-745-0601 Mobile: 412-667-2600 Business E-Mail: gary.gaertner@fedphe.com Personal E-Mail: garygaertner@gmail.com Personal Voice: 412-992-7656 IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: United States Treasury Regulations provide that a taxpayer may rely only on formal written advice meeting specific requirements to avoid federal tax penalties. Any tax advice in the text of this message, or in any attachment, does not meet those requirements and, accordingly, is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any recipient to avoid any penalties that may be imposed upon such recipient by the Internal Revenue Service. IMPORTANT/CONFIDENTIAL: Electronic mail is privileged by the Electronics Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510-2521. This message from the law firm of Phelan Hallinan & Schmieg LLP is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to act on behalf of the intended recipient) of this message, you may not disclose, forward, distribute, copy, or use this message or its contents. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete the original message from your e-mail system. If you are the intended recipient, no offer no acceptance is being made, and no legally binding contract is intended by this communication. This message is for discussion purposes only. Nothing herein shall be treated as an electronic signature. Thank you. ===============================================================

list,       It was brought to my attention by another lister, that I should have included the web address for the source of  The Historical Families of Dunfriesshire and the Border Wars CHAPTER IX   It is: www.electricscotland.com/history/dumfries/chapter9.htm

Wow!  What a speedy (and great) response to Dorothy Riegel's request.  I'm impressed!  Now you all have me wonderimg what caused the sudden death of Mary and John Scott. Jo Ann ________________________________ From: "dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com" <dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 2:01:56 AM Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 87 Today's Topics:   1. Scott - Pollock (Dorothy Riegel)   2. Re: Scott - Pollock (Iain Hutchison)   3. Fwd:  Scott - Pollock (njs827@aol.com)   4. Re: Fwd:  Scott - Pollock (Iain Hutchison)   5. Re: Brigholm and Northfield (MARC ARCHER) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:48:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Dorothy Riegel <driegel38@yahoo.com> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Scott - Pollock To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <771224.40567.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have a funeral card for John Scott who died suddenly on 10 February 1914, aged 35 years, at Newhouse Farm, Holytown.? His wife was Mary Pollock. Does anyone have any connection to either John or Mary? I may be on the wrong list as I don't know where Holytown is. Thank you for your time. Dorothy (Wood) Riegel ? Dorothy Riegel??? ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:56:29 +0100 From: "Iain Hutchison" <iain@keapub.fsnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Scott - Pollock To: "Dorothy Riegel" <driegel38@yahoo.com>,     <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <EDE7F757A1EB4ACF9B02836BF8568E56@DGL1WC1J> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original This may just be coincidence because there are undoubtedly a few Holytowns about, while the name Newhouse is not exactly novel. However there is a Holytown a little to the east of Bellshill in Lanarkshire, and a little bit further east is Newhouse which now has an industrial estate and is beside the M8 motorway. This might be the location of your Newhouse Farm, Holytown. Then again, it might not. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Riegel" <driegel38@yahoo.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:48 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Scott - Pollock I have a funeral card for John Scott who died suddenly on 10 February 1914, aged 35 years, at Newhouse Farm, Holytown. His wife was Mary Pollock. Does anyone have any connection to either John or Mary? I may be on the wrong list as I don't know where Holytown is. Thank you for your time. Dorothy (Wood) Riegel Dorothy Riegel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:22:24 -0400 From: njs827@aol.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Fwd:  Scott - Pollock To: driegel38@yahoo.com Cc: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CCF729907DC8BA-171C-2356@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dorothy, If you inspect the death register for John SCOTT, you will find that Iain was exactly correct.  It records John as a farmer, spouse to Mary Richard POLLOCK, who was found dead on 10 Feb 1914 at Newhouse Farm, Newhouse, District of Holytown in the County of Lanark. His parents are recorded as John SCOTT (farmer, deceased) and Elizabeth Scott (Maiden Surname BAIRD, deceased).  You can obtain the digitised image of the original register online at scotlandspeople.gov.uk. Nancy  (Connecticut, USA) -----Original Message----- From: Iain Hutchison <iain@keapub.fsnet.co.uk> To: Dorothy Riegel <driegel38@yahoo.com>; DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 2:56 pm Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Scott - Pollock This may just be coincidence because there are undoubtedly a few Holytowns bout, while the name Newhouse is not exactly novel. However there is a Holytown a little to the east of Bellshill in anarkshire, and a little bit further east is Newhouse which now has an ndustrial estate and is beside the M8 motorway. This might be the location of your Newhouse Farm, Holytown. Then again, it might not. Iain ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Dorothy Riegel" <driegel38@yahoo.com> o: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> ent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:48 PM ubject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Scott - Pollock I have a funeral card for John Scott who died suddenly on 10 February 1914, ged 35 years, at Newhouse Farm, Holytown. His wife was Mary Pollock. oes anyone have any connection to either John or Mary? may be on the wrong list as I don't know where Holytown is. hank you for your time. orothy (Wood) Riegel Dorothy Riegel ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to UMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without he quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:35:32 +0100 From: "Iain Hutchison" <iain@keapub.fsnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Fwd:  Scott - Pollock To: <driegel38@yahoo.com>, <njs827@aol.com> Cc: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8EBA5E4E741546109F6BF8ACC18A41D4@DGL1WC1J> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original If you go on to the NLS map link to this 1912 Ordnance Survey map and follow the main road east from Bellshill to where is crosses the Caledonian Railway - you will find Newhouse Smithy - Newhouse Farm is not identified but this is where it would have been. http://www.nls.uk/maps/os/view/?sid=74488695 Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: <njs827@aol.com> To: <driegel38@yahoo.com> Cc: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Fwd: Scott - Pollock > > > Dorothy, > If you inspect the death register for John SCOTT, you will find that Iain > was exactly correct.  It records John as a farmer, spouse to Mary Richard > POLLOCK, who was found dead on 10 Feb 1914 at Newhouse Farm, Newhouse, > District of Holytown in the County of Lanark. > > His parents are recorded as John SCOTT (farmer, deceased) and Elizabeth > Scott (Maiden Surname BAIRD, deceased).  You can obtain the digitised > image of the original register online at scotlandspeople.gov.uk. > Nancy  (Connecticut, USA) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Iain Hutchison <iain@keapub.fsnet.co.uk> > To: Dorothy Riegel <driegel38@yahoo.com>; DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 2:56 pm > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Scott - Pollock > > > This may just be coincidence because there are undoubtedly a few Holytowns > bout, while the name Newhouse is not exactly novel. > However there is a Holytown a little to the east of Bellshill in > anarkshire, and a little bit further east is Newhouse which now has an > ndustrial estate and is beside the M8 motorway. > This might be the location of your Newhouse Farm, Holytown. > Then again, it might not. > Iain > > ---- Original Message ----- > rom: "Dorothy Riegel" <driegel38@yahoo.com> > o: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> > ent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:48 PM > ubject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Scott - Pollock > > I have a funeral card for John Scott who died suddenly on 10 February > 1914, > ged 35 years, at Newhouse Farm, Holytown. His wife was Mary Pollock. > oes anyone have any connection to either John or Mary? > may be on the wrong list as I don't know where Holytown is. > hank you for your time. > orothy (Wood) Riegel > > Dorothy Riegel > ------------------------------- > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > UMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > he quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: MARC ARCHER <marcher56@att.net> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Brigholm and Northfield To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <560507.74775.qm@web83708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List, ????? I found the info below, and am wondering if anyone knows the where abouts of Brigholm & Northfield, and any identifying info about Robert Johnstone of Newbie, and William Maxwell of Kirkhouse. ????? Also, does anyone know anything about King's Chaplains & Scotch Bishops? ? Thanks, ? Marc Archer ? The Historical Families of Dunfriesshire and the Border Wars CHAPTER IX ? The Kirk land of Kirkpatrick-Fleming which had belonged to Robert Johnstone of Newbie was conferred on William Maxwell of Kirkhouse by a royal charter dated Whitehall, Jan. 10, 1607; and Brigholme and Northfield, the property of the same Laird, were sold by his son Robert, in 1610, to Mr Patrick Howat, one of the King?s chaplains, afterwards a Scotch Bishop. ------------------------------ To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 87 ************************************************