I am searching for this location in Kirkcudbrightshire. I have an ancestor, William McKie who is described as a "Potioner in Tomorie" on his son's OPR in 1740. I will be in Scotland next week and would love to find this place. Thanks Janet Taylor Canada

Hi Jim, The birth/baptism records on Scotlandspeople for that period will be from the old parochial records (OPRs), which were the registers kept by the Church of Scotland. Many families were dissenters from the Church of Scotland, and as a result, lots of children went unrecorded in the OPRs. There are other reasons for missing records, such as missing pages, poor keeping of the register etc. By trawling through a parish register, it sometimes becomes apparent from handwriting changes, (or even signatures at the bottom of the pages), that the session clerk had changed. (Sometimes the minister himself kept the register.) Such changes were sometimes associated with a change in how well the register was kept. An exercise I sometimes try is tabulating the numbers of OPR birth/baptism records by year for a particular parish. One can do this simply by using the batch number search facility of the IGI. Its not entirely reliable due to extraction errors, but usually gives a good indication, and sometimes reveals some interesting patterns. Doing this for Langholm, I find that the average number per year for 1800-1809 was 21.9, for 1810-1819 was 20.5, for 1820-1829 was 15.7, for 1830-1839 was 23.7, and for 1840-1849 was 19.4. Short term variation from year to year was rather high, the range being from 10 to 31. There is a statistical method of analysis of such data, but without a knowledge of the interpretation of the results, this doesn't achieve much. It is, however, reasonable to say that the average for the period 1820-1829 is lower than one may expect. Without knowing the history of this parish, I cannot guess the particular reason, but perhaps it has something to do with your lack of expected WILSON records. The lower average in the period 1840-1849 may be due to the disruption associated with the formation of the Free Church, although there was no sudden drop off from 1843 when this Church was formed. Regards, Bruce On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Jim Graham <jim.r.graham@fsmail.net> wrote: > Thanks to all who contacted me regarding my hard to read OPR image.  Still working on it ! > I have a bunch of family members in Langholm (Wilsons) known from family records, but the events in 1820s and 1830s are not on IGI or Scotlands People.  I can find earlier ones and later ones. > Any thoughts / sources ........ ? > Jim Graham > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks to all who contacted me regarding my hard to read OPR image. Still working on it ! I have a bunch of family members in Langholm (Wilsons) known from family records, but the events in 1820s and 1830s are not on IGI or Scotlands People. I can find earlier ones and later ones. Any thoughts / sources ........ ? Jim Graham

Hi, I have this birth record from Ewes parish in a very flowery text off Scotlands People. I can read most of it (just) but cannot read the birth location (Walter Dalgleish in ...............). Any kind and knowledgeable person out there prepared to have a look if I send it to them ? Jim Graham

Thanks to all who responded to my question on John Scott and his wife, Mary Pollock. While doing some research on my McAlpine family I also found them to be at Newhouse Farm, Holytown. Also Hugh McInnes was at Newhouse Farm and he came to America in 1913.  I would be interested on any information of anyone that may be connected to any of those families. Dorothy (Wood) Riegel   

Hi, There is a useful Scots dictionary online at http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/index.html which includes quotations to confirm the meanings supplied. Regards, Kenny -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of judy olsen Sent: 08 September 2010 18:24 To: carstand Cc: dumfries-galloway list Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Help please on meaning of several words inan old ballad lifted/raised loyal He was a good bloke with a cross on his hat. J On 8 Sep 2010, at 16:43, carstand wrote: > > > > "Sir Rab the Ross of laits, > > Thane of hie Sanquhar's peel; > On his caprousie,* heezed the cross, > He stalwart was and leel." > Part of this ballad is understandable, some parts not, so help > in > definitions for the missing parts would > be very helpful. > Sir Rob the Ros of late > Thane of his Sanquhar's peel > On his caprousie (frontal of helmet) heezed the cross > He was stalwart and leel. > What does heezed the cross mean and also stalwart and leel - what > is the > meaning of leel? > Thanks for any help > carstand > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

lifted/raised loyal He was a good bloke with a cross on his hat. J On 8 Sep 2010, at 16:43, carstand wrote: > > > > "Sir Rab the Ross of laits, > > Thane of hie Sanquhar's peel; > On his caprousie,* heezed the cross, > He stalwart was and leel." > Part of this ballad is understandable, some parts not, so > help in > definitions for the missing parts would > be very helpful. > Sir Rob the Ros of late > Thane of his Sanquhar's peel > On his caprousie (frontal of helmet) heezed the cross > He was stalwart and leel. > What does heezed the cross mean and also stalwart and leel - > what is the > meaning of leel? > Thanks for any help > carstand > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Sir Rab the Ross of laits, Thane of hie Sanquhar's peel; On his caprousie,* heezed the cross, He stalwart was and leel." Part of this ballad is understandable, some parts not, so help in definitions for the missing parts would be very helpful. Sir Rob the Ros of late Thane of his Sanquhar's peel On his caprousie (frontal of helmet) heezed the cross He was stalwart and leel. What does heezed the cross mean and also stalwart and leel - what is the meaning of leel? Thanks for any help carstand

Extra Information of anyone researching these related names from around Templandhill, Kirkmahoe. William Riddick, Agnes Thomson Stewart, Elizabeth Currie William Billy Riddick Contact me and I will send Grave stone information Desmond Researching: Riddick - Dumfries, Lanarkshire.

Oral family history has my great, great grandfather, Robert "Red Robin" Johnston/e, born in 1808 in Ireland to a Scottish-born father, name unknown. Details of his mother are also unknown. Y-DNA testing of male descendants has verified connections with Francis Johnston, b. 1805 in Ireland, and Archibald Johnstone, b. 1815 in Ireland. We match on all 67 markers tested. Two other families that have been closely connected to our Johnston/es are Anderson and Wylie. They bought farms close to one another and intermarried in Canada. Research indicates that they were also close to each other in Ireland and intermarried there too. I have verified Wylies in Coolshinny (just SW of Magherafelt), Co. Londonderry , Ireland, and oral family history has our Andersons on a farm some 3 miles south of Castledawson, Co. Londonderry, Ireland. I have not been able to document this. I have not located my Johnstons in Ireland though one Wylie told me that they were in the Magherafelt area too. I found an old email which indicates that the sender had his Wylie marrying a Johnston/e in Poldean in Dumfriesshire, Scotland, some 500 years ago. No other information was included Descendants of both families later went to Co. Londonderry, Ireland, and settled in the Magherafelt area. He also mentioned the Elder and Shields families were close to his Wylies in Scotland and some moved with them to Ireland and then onto Canada. A monument and registry at Westminster Cemetery, Ontario, Canada, indicates that the Reverend Matthew Elder (d. April 2, 1880, aged 97, born in Co. Tyrone, Ireland) was a relative of my Andersons. This further cements the inter-relationships. When I was in Scotland some 13 years ago I was talking with a local who had asked me what my connections to this part of Scotland were. When I mentioned my Anderson family he pointed to the west and said that there was a pocket of Andersons just over those hills. I was in either Lockerbie or Moffat at the time. Either way they were very close to our Johnstons in Poldean. It now appears that some of my Anderson, Johnston/e and Wylie families (along with Elder and Shields) may have known each other in Scotland and descendants of them traveled to Ireland and then onto Upper Canada. Has anyone out there come across relationships among these families in Dumfriesshire? Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay

Hello List I was wondering if anyne on the list has done any resaerch on McClellan/Elder family that came from the Dunfries/Kirkcudbright area. If there are anyone tracing either family I'd be please to hear from them Bob Elder

Anyone researching the name Dale who would like to compare notes I am working on the time frame around 1780 - 1850 Dumfries and further a field. Regards. Desmond Ontario, Canada Currently Researching: Riddick; Dale; Lumsdale; McKay; Walker.

I realise this is a needle in a haystack, but does anyone connect to this couple? Andrew LITTLE m Westerkirk 1810 Agnes RIEVE. Regards, Don McArthur, Johannesburg. Descendants of Andrew Little 1 Andrew LITTLE 'of' Westerkirk .. +Agnes REIVE 'of' Hawick m: 17 Dec 1810 in Westerkirk, Dumfries ... 2 James LITTLE b: 27 Jan 1812 in Langholm, Dumfries ... 2 Barbara LITTLE b: 30 Sep 1815 in Langholm, Dumfries d: Jun 1878 in Bramley [9b 245] @ 61y ....... +Stephen ARMITAGE 6 Jul 1823 ~ Armley, Leeds . 1861 Woolen Mill f'man, 3 Ladhope Bank, Galashiels m: 28 Mar . 1847 in Wilton, Roxburgh d: Jun 1894 in Bramley [9b 211] @ 70y . Father: Samuel ARMITAGE Mother: Elizabeth DAVISON ........ 3 Andrew ARMITAGE b: Abt. 1849 in Hawick, co. Roxburgh loom overlooker d: Jun 1920 in Bramley [9b 326] @ 70y ............ +Emily CLIFF b: Abt. 1859 in Wortley, Leeds m: Jun 1878 in Leeds [9b 548] d: Mar 1923 in Bramley [9b . 325] @ 62y Father: James CLIFF Mother: Sarah MARSDEN ........ 3 Samuel ARMITAGE b: Abt. 1852 in Hawick, co. Roxburgh d: Aft. 1871 ........ 3 Elizabeth ARMITAGE b: 25 May 1855 in Selkirk d: Aft. 1871 ........ 3 Stephen ARMITAGE b: 14 Sep 1857 in Selkirk . Solicitors Clerk d: Aft. 1891 ... 2 Mary LITTLE b: 24 Jul 1818 in Langholm, Dumfries

Hi Susan A Barony held some jurisdiction and a Baron Officer was employed to carry out the orders of the Laird and also to monitor and carry out the decisions of the Baron court. Usually these were disputes between tenants or between tenant and landlord. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sniculescu@aol.com Sent: 14 August 2010 16:32 To: imitchell@telus.net; donald_a@btconnect.com Cc: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] 1841 census for Cummertrees Has anybody heard of the occupation "Baron Officer"? What does it mean? One of my ancestors is listed as a Baron Officer on the 1841 census. He was 75 years old so it cannot have been a very active occupation--such as a police officer. He also lived in a very rural district. What could it be? Thanks for your input, Susan. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bit of a guess but he could perhaps have been an officer of a Burgh of Barony, and therefore in charge of a market and maybe collecting some rents. Judy On 14 Aug 2010, at 16:31, sniculescu@aol.com wrote: > > Has anybody heard of the occupation "Baron Officer"? What does it > mean? > One of my ancestors is listed as a Baron Officer on the 1841 > census. He was 75 years old so it cannot have been a very active > occupation--such as a police officer. He also lived in a very rural > district. What could it be? > > Thanks for your input, > Susan. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to all those who helped me with the 1841 census for Cummertrees. The Ancestry.com name "Viepherine" turned out to be Katherine. Although some of the children of my family, James Scott aged 36 and wife Jane, were born in Annan, I cannot find on the IGI the ones who I'm sure were born in Cummertrees. I can find some female baptisms for Cummertrees on the IGI, but male ones are missing. Can anyone tell me why? Are the OPRs missing? Regards Alastair Donald

Has anybody heard of the occupation "Baron Officer"? What does it mean? One of my ancestors is listed as a Baron Officer on the 1841 census. He was 75 years old so it cannot have been a very active occupation--such as a police officer. He also lived in a very rural district. What could it be? Thanks for your input, Susan.

The Ancestry.com transcriptions for the 1841census for Cummertrees seem to be quite inaccurate with names, so I'm wondering if anyone on the list has access to the original? I'm looking for the family of James Scott at Wintersengh (?) in the parish of Cummertrees. He was aged 36 and born in the county and the reference given by Ancestry is ED4, Page 5, line 500. Thanks Alastair Donald

On 13-Aug-10, at 6:04 AM, ALASTAIR DONALD wrote: Alastair: You will find another version at FreeCEN, which may have been transcribed more accurately. FreeCEN allows you to view the neighbours on either side too, which is often helpful. > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl Mitch. > The Ancestry.com transcriptions for the 1841census for Cummertrees > seem to be quite inaccurate with names, so I'm wondering if anyone > on the list has access to the original? > I'm looking for the family of James Scott at Wintersengh (?) in the > parish of Cummertrees. He was aged 36 and born in the county and the > reference given by Ancestry is ED4, Page 5, line 500. > Thanks > Alastair Donald > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Greetings from Cardiff in South Wales. My Name is Graham WILLIAMS, and I am looking for the Family of Margaret WILKIN or WILKIE? She married to William COULTHARD [b.1803 at Carlisle] at Annan,Dumfries on the 18th;of February 1824.   Their son William Kenly COULTHARD,baptised in 1826 at Annan, died 1st;October 1906 at Hubberston,Milford Haven,West Wales being my Great,Great,Grandfather.[my father's-mother's-father's-Father]   Margaret Didn't make the 1851 census,so I have no idea where she was born. Or if she was born in Scotland or England?   I have a great deal of Infomation on the Carlisle & Milford Haven COULTHARD Families,but I know nothing on Margaret WILKIN or WILKIE's family. Can anyone help please? Many Thanks, Graham. From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff. Glamorgan F.H.S;#551.