Hi Margaret I think the author has invented the name. In Crossmichael parish is a small village called Clarebrand. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Stantiall Sent: 28 October 2010 01:41 To: D&G Mailing list Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Claremichael Can some kind person please tell me whereabouts in Kirkcudbright Claremichael is. I have just read a lovely book by Pauline Neville called "My Fathers House " the family lived in Claremichael where the father was the Parish minister. I have been to Castle Douglas and Cross Michael where my father came from ,but cannot find Claremichael on my OS maps . The book makes me want to return there but it is too late now. Pity. Thank you for any help, My niece has just returned from visiting her Grandfather's roots! The early Irving family farmed at Michael Ernambrie and Blackerne, where there is still a descendant . Margaret in NZ . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Does anyone know what the custom or laws were pertaining to 17th century family law? If a man died with sons, would his wife be what we would today call an executor if the sons were of legal age? Or would she be an executor if they were minors. (the term is that she "...in name and behalf of...") Another question concerns the purpose of Commissary Court records. Who would have them and who wouldn't. I'm having a hard time articulating what I mean and hope someone can educate me on this matter. Thanks. Janet Edgar Taylor
I'm sorry I was referring to two postings in the same thread, a previous one.....A Dixon had married a Graham...someone else referred to Nixon, I had not heard of those two in connection. The name change I was referring to was the Graham to Maharg. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:02 AM, <dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Grahams (Gordon Johnson) > 2. Re: Dixons and Nixons (Vonnie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:08:13 +0100 > From: Gordon Johnson <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Grahams > To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4CC0494D.4080708@kinhelp.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > This idea of changing the name, for whatever personal-choice reason, > doesn't fit withhistory. > The government records of the period show the surname as variously > Grame, Graeme, Graham, Grahame. > Not all people of the surname were of the lower classes: there was Dame > Geiles Graham, Countess of Angus, > Robert Graham, Archdeacon of Ross, George Graham, brother of the earl of > Menteith, to give a few examples > from the Register of the Privy Council, 1599-1604. > Between 1584 and 1707, there were 16 men of the name of Graham serving > as Commissioners (same as M.P.s) > to the Scottish Parliament. > At least two Grahams were members of the Society of Writers to the > Signet in the 17th century. These were the > top lawyers in Edinburgh, who did legal work for the king. > It is evident that the surname Graham was not a drawback in Scottish > society, so why should it be in countries > like America which had no concern over cross-border crimes between > England and Scotland? > > Gordon Johnson. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:00:45 +0100 > From: "Vonnie" <vonnie@freeserve13.freeserve.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Dixons and Nixons > To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <F6DD8B9410C041238F5C45A374F6DCBE@VonniePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi All > > I seem to have missed some of this thread but it seems that we might be > talking about name changes... Dixon - Nixon in particular. Maybe I have it > wrong? > My GGrandmother is Margaret Dixon, born Wigtonshire(OK this is the Dumfries > List - sorry). Going back generations the name was Nixon - I simply cannot > work out why... It wasnt one person who changed their name - it was the > entire family.... Why? > von > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Klym" <cheryl.klym@gmail.com> > To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 4:47 AM > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Grahams & Dixons > > > > > > Interesting about the Graham name change....although Dixon is one family > > name from the 1700's (Pennsylvania, supposely from Ulster or Ireland) > > Graham > > is the main name I seek to trace---it's my maiden name. Rebekkah Dixon > > married a John Graham....My Grahams were in Ulster for a generation or > > two... > > > > Cheryl Graham Klym > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3202 - Release Date: 10/17/10 > 06:33:00 > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 128 > ************************************************* >
Don't ask me how I got started on expanding my list of Johnstone surname variations today, but here is what I came up: Johnstone Variations in Spelling 1. Johnstone 2. Johnston 3. Johnstoun 4. Johnstume 5. Johnestoun 6. Johnestoune 7. Johnnestoun 8. Johnnstoun 9. Johneston 10. Johnstome 11. Johnstolm 12. Jhonston 13. Johnstown 14. Jonestone 15. Jonestoune 16. Jonistun 17. Jonstoombe 18. Jonstoom 19. Jonstoomb 20. Johnson 21. Johneson 22. Johnsone 23. Jonsone 24. Jonstoun 25. Jonkeson 26. Jonkesone 27. Jonsoom 28. Jonsome 29. Jonstolm 30. Jonsolm 31. Jonstum 32. Jonstome 33. Jonsom 34. Jonsum 35. Jonstume 36. Jonsomb 37. Jonsombe 38. Jonsoombe 39. Jonsoomb 40. Jhohnestoun 41. Jhonston 42. Jhonstone 43. Jhonstoun 44. Jhoneson 45. Jhonesone 46. Jhonson 47. Jhonsoun Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see," >From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay
Hi All I seem to have missed some of this thread but it seems that we might be talking about name changes... Dixon - Nixon in particular. Maybe I have it wrong? My GGrandmother is Margaret Dixon, born Wigtonshire(OK this is the Dumfries List - sorry). Going back generations the name was Nixon - I simply cannot work out why... It wasnt one person who changed their name - it was the entire family.... Why? von ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Klym" <cheryl.klym@gmail.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 4:47 AM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Grahams & Dixons > > Interesting about the Graham name change....although Dixon is one family > name from the 1700's (Pennsylvania, supposely from Ulster or Ireland) > Graham > is the main name I seek to trace---it's my maiden name. Rebekkah Dixon > married a John Graham....My Grahams were in Ulster for a generation or > two... > > Cheryl Graham Klym > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.448 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3202 - Release Date: 10/17/10 06:33:00
This idea of changing the name, for whatever personal-choice reason, doesn't fit withhistory. The government records of the period show the surname as variously Grame, Graeme, Graham, Grahame. Not all people of the surname were of the lower classes: there was Dame Geiles Graham, Countess of Angus, Robert Graham, Archdeacon of Ross, George Graham, brother of the earl of Menteith, to give a few examples from the Register of the Privy Council, 1599-1604. Between 1584 and 1707, there were 16 men of the name of Graham serving as Commissioners (same as M.P.s) to the Scottish Parliament. At least two Grahams were members of the Society of Writers to the Signet in the 17th century. These were the top lawyers in Edinburgh, who did legal work for the king. It is evident that the surname Graham was not a drawback in Scottish society, so why should it be in countries like America which had no concern over cross-border crimes between England and Scotland? Gordon Johnson.
Interesting about the Graham name change....although Dixon is one family name from the 1700's (Pennsylvania, supposely from Ulster or Ireland) Graham is the main name I seek to trace---it's my maiden name. Rebekkah Dixon married a John Graham....My Grahams were in Ulster for a generation or two... Cheryl Graham Klym
Interesting....although Dixon is one family name from the 1700's (Pennsylvania, supposely from Ulster or Ireland) Graham is my maiden name, Dixon married a Graham....My Grahams were in Ulster for a generation or two... My Dixon name is Rebekkah. She married a John Graham Cheryl Graham Klym On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:02 AM, <dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: DIXONS from Ulster (Cliff. Johnston) > 2. Re: DIXONS from Ulster (jody allen) > 3. Fw: Road traffic accident in Lockerbie (ruth.enns@shaw.ca) > 4. Surname Database: Maharg Last Name Origin (Maisie Egger) > 5. Re: GRAHAMS exiled in early 1600s (Jim Graham) > 6. Hughes family (Alison Elliott) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:17:22 -0500 > From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DIXONS from Ulster > To: "'jody allen'" <fraochale@gmail.com>, <jim.r.graham@fsmail.net> > Cc: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <001e01cb6f98$5a14b610$0e3e2230$@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yes, you are correct. I recall reading somewhere (didn't bookmark it > though) that there were at least 30,000+ borderers who were "encouraged" to > emigrate to Ireland and beyond. > > Cliff. > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see," > >From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > -----Original Message----- > From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jody allen > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:51 AM > To: jim.r.graham@fsmail.net > Cc: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DIXONS from Ulster > > Didn't a lot of the Scottish Borderers after 1603 when the reiving way of > life was ending becaue of the union of the crowns, move to Ulster as part > of > the plantation period or were encouraged to move by King James Vii/i ? > Maybe why there were Nixons in both places. > Jody > > On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Jim Graham <jim.r.graham@fsmail.net> > wrote: > > > Cheryl, > > Sorry but I have only traced my direct ancestors, who stayed in the > > Scottish Borders. If you have a name of a Dixon born in the period > > 1762 to 1771, I will look see if it could fit. > > Regards, Jim Graham > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Jody Allen, > Scottish Scribbles Blog > http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Researching: > Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart > Ireland: Lynch, Drought > Wales: Williams, Walsh > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:31:03 -0500 > From: jody allen <fraochale@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DIXONS from Ulster > To: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@comcast.net> > Cc: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com, jim.r.graham@fsmail.net > Message-ID: > <AANLkTikOdW++zzhSzQSAOEFjwX3p7mSAG+6oA-bRBb5=@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I just was watching a tv program on the Borders for a class for writers I > will be teaching and they said at one time the people of Cumbria pooled > their money and had the Grahams deported to Northern Ireland and they were > not allowed to come back to the Borders because they were so treacherous as > cattle theifs. But apparently they were gone but a year when some decided > to > return only they changed their names but just spelling Graham backwards > Maharg creating a new riding family in the borders. A representative of the > Grahams told the story so I would imagine there is truth in it and shows > the > ingenuity of the Borderers mind. > > Jim have you heard this story? > > Jody > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Cliff. Johnston < > moments-in-time@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Yes, you are correct. I recall reading somewhere (didn't bookmark it > > though) that there were at least 30,000+ borderers who were "encouraged" > to > > emigrate to Ireland and beyond. > > > > Cliff. > > "May the best you've ever seen, > > Be the worst you'll ever see," > > From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jody allen > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:51 AM > > To: jim.r.graham@fsmail.net > > Cc: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DIXONS from Ulster > > > > Didn't a lot of the Scottish Borderers after 1603 when the reiving way of > > life was ending becaue of the union of the crowns, move to Ulster as part > > of > > the plantation period or were encouraged to move by King James Vii/i ? > > Maybe why there were Nixons in both places. > > Jody > > > > On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Jim Graham <jim.r.graham@fsmail.net> > > wrote: > > > > > Cheryl, > > > Sorry but I have only traced my direct ancestors, who stayed in the > > > Scottish Borders. If you have a name of a Dixon born in the period > > > 1762 to 1771, I will look see if it could fit. > > > Regards, Jim Graham > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jody Allen, > > Scottish Scribbles Blog > > http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Researching: > > Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart > > Ireland: Lynch, Drought > > Wales: Williams, Walsh > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > -- > Jody Allen, > Scottish Scribbles Blog > http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Researching: > Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart > Ireland: Lynch, Drought > Wales: Williams, Walsh > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:23:03 -0700 > From: <ruth.enns@shaw.ca> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Fw: Road traffic accident in Lockerbie > To: <Dumfries-Galloway@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <6F7856F2F6B1486CBBF4FA42C9BADC15@RuthPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Attention: Linda Hindley > > I got my friend , the retired Scottish Detective, 'on the job', so you > might find this information useful. > > Ruth > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> They dont have coroners in Scotland or Inquests. They have Fatal > Accident > >> Inquiries or F.A.I.'s These are dealt with by the Procurator Fiscal (who > >> also prosecute crimes) > >> The Procurator Fiscal for Dumphries and Galloway is at > >> > >> > >> District Procurator Fiscal for Dumfries and Kirkcudbright > >> > >> 44 Buccleuch Street > >> > >> DUMFRIES > >> > >> DG1 2AP > >> > >> 01387 274 585 > >> > >> They should be able to provide information. > >> > >> Due to The Data Protection Act They wont give information to me but a > >> relative should be ableto get it > >> > >> > >>>> > >>> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:45:46 -0700 > From: "Maisie Egger" <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Surname Database: Maharg Last Name Origin > To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E7D781ECB2A64F47B8767A90838A5A30@MaisieEggerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Another point of view on Graham/Maharg > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GRAHAM/1998-10/0909867572 > > www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Maharg > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:59:57 +0200 (CEST) > From: Jim Graham <jim.r.graham@fsmail.net> > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] GRAHAMS exiled in early 1600s > To: jody allen <fraochale@gmail.com>, "Cliff. Johnston" > <moments-in-time@comcast.net> > Cc: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4747512.381481287511197941.JavaMail.www@wwinf3724> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Jody, > Yes - there is more detail in books, including "The Steel Bonnets" by > George MacDonald Fraser > > Jim > > ======================================== > Message Received: Oct 19 2010, 04:31 PM > From: "jody allen" > To: "Cliff. Johnston" > Cc: jim.r.graham@fsmail.net, dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DIXONS from Ulster > > I just was watching a tv program on the Borders for a class for writers I > will be teaching and they said at one time the people of Cumbria pooled > their money and had the Grahams deported to Northern Ireland and they were > not allowed to come back to the Borders because they were so treacherous as > cattle theifs. But apparently they were gone but a year when some decided to > return only they changed their names but just spelling Graham backwards > Maharg creating a new riding family in the borders. A representative of the > Grahams told the story so I would imagine there is truth in it and shows the > ingenuity of the Borderers mind. > > > Jim have you heard this story? > > > > Jody > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Cliff. Johnston < > moments-in-time@comcast.net> wrote: > > Yes, you are correct. I recall reading somewhere (didn't bookmark it > though) that there were at least 30,000+ borderers who were "encouraged" to > emigrate to Ireland and beyond. > > Cliff. > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see," > >From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jody allen > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:51 AM > To: jim.r.graham@fsmail.net > Cc: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DIXONS from Ulster > > Didn't a lot of the Scottish Borderers after 1603 when the reiving way of > life was ending becaue of the union of the crowns, move to Ulster as part > of > the plantation period or were encouraged to move by King James Vii/i ? > Maybe why there were Nixons in both places. > Jody > > On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Jim Graham <jim.r.graham@fsmail.net> > wrote: > > > Cheryl, > > Sorry but I have only traced my direct ancestors, who stayed in the > > Scottish Borders. If you have a name of a Dixon born in the period > > 1762 to 1771, I will look see if it could fit. > > Regards, Jim Graham > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Jody Allen, > Scottish Scribbles Blog > http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Researching: > Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart > Ireland: Lynch, Drought > Wales: Williams, Walsh > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Jody Allen, > Scottish Scribbles Blog > http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Researching: > Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart > Ireland: Lynch, Drought > Wales: Williams, Walsh > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:52:13 +0100 > From: Alison Elliott <alijelli@hotmail.com> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Hughes family > To: <dumfries-galloway-l@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU151-w22904F90A2E2B1F16CAFECD5B0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi All > I think it's time for me to post my Hughes family again ! > For a family with a lot of children, most of whom I have managed to trace > forward to early 1900, there seem to be surprisingly few people researching > them! My earliest Hughes is John - agricultural worker, father of the > dynasty - b about 1800 probably in Dumfries, poss. Applegarth. He married > Agnes Watson in 1824 in Buittle. > My line is through their daughter Sarah b1829 who married James Smith in > Colvend, JAmes was reputedly born in Edinburgh abt 1826. They lived in > Dumfries town and had 8 children, and lived mainly in Castle Street until > early 1900s. > Other Hughes marriages were to McLean, Moffat, Swan, Edgar, Armstrong, > Henderson, and Johnstone, and most stayed within the D&G area. > There was another big Hughes family around in the 1800s, of Irish origin, > but so far I have not connected this pone to mine. > If anyone thinks they may be connected with these names, I will be happy to > share information. I have specific names, dates and more details, and have > done quite a lot of research. > Alison Elliott > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 126 > ************************************************* >
Hi All I think it's time for me to post my Hughes family again ! For a family with a lot of children, most of whom I have managed to trace forward to early 1900, there seem to be surprisingly few people researching them! My earliest Hughes is John - agricultural worker, father of the dynasty - b about 1800 probably in Dumfries, poss. Applegarth. He married Agnes Watson in 1824 in Buittle. My line is through their daughter Sarah b1829 who married James Smith in Colvend, JAmes was reputedly born in Edinburgh abt 1826. They lived in Dumfries town and had 8 children, and lived mainly in Castle Street until early 1900s. Other Hughes marriages were to McLean, Moffat, Swan, Edgar, Armstrong, Henderson, and Johnstone, and most stayed within the D&G area. There was another big Hughes family around in the 1800s, of Irish origin, but so far I have not connected this pone to mine. If anyone thinks they may be connected with these names, I will be happy to share information. I have specific names, dates and more details, and have done quite a lot of research. Alison Elliott
Jody, Yes - there is more detail in books, including "The Steel Bonnets" by George MacDonald Fraser Jim ======================================== Message Received: Oct 19 2010, 04:31 PM From: "jody allen" To: "Cliff. Johnston" Cc: jim.r.graham@fsmail.net, dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DIXONS from Ulster I just was watching a tv program on the Borders for a class for writers I will be teaching and they said at one time the people of Cumbria pooled their money and had the Grahams deported to Northern Ireland and they were not allowed to come back to the Borders because they were so treacherous as cattle theifs. But apparently they were gone but a year when some decided to return only they changed their names but just spelling Graham backwards Maharg creating a new riding family in the borders. A representative of the Grahams told the story so I would imagine there is truth in it and shows the ingenuity of the Borderers mind. Jim have you heard this story? Jody On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Cliff. Johnston <moments-in-time@comcast.net> wrote: Yes, you are correct. I recall reading somewhere (didn't bookmark it though) that there were at least 30,000+ borderers who were "encouraged" to emigrate to Ireland and beyond. Cliff. "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see," >From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jody allen Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:51 AM To: jim.r.graham@fsmail.net Cc: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DIXONS from Ulster Didn't a lot of the Scottish Borderers after 1603 when the reiving way of life was ending becaue of the union of the crowns, move to Ulster as part of the plantation period or were encouraged to move by King James Vii/i ? Maybe why there were Nixons in both places. Jody On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Jim Graham <jim.r.graham@fsmail.net> wrote: > Cheryl, > Sorry but I have only traced my direct ancestors, who stayed in the > Scottish Borders. If you have a name of a Dixon born in the period > 1762 to 1771, I will look see if it could fit. > Regards, Jim Graham > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jody Allen, Scottish Scribbles Blog http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Jody Allen, Scottish Scribbles Blog http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh
I just was watching a tv program on the Borders for a class for writers I will be teaching and they said at one time the people of Cumbria pooled their money and had the Grahams deported to Northern Ireland and they were not allowed to come back to the Borders because they were so treacherous as cattle theifs. But apparently they were gone but a year when some decided to return only they changed their names but just spelling Graham backwards Maharg creating a new riding family in the borders. A representative of the Grahams told the story so I would imagine there is truth in it and shows the ingenuity of the Borderers mind. Jim have you heard this story? Jody On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Cliff. Johnston < moments-in-time@comcast.net> wrote: > Yes, you are correct. I recall reading somewhere (didn't bookmark it > though) that there were at least 30,000+ borderers who were "encouraged" to > emigrate to Ireland and beyond. > > Cliff. > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see," > From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > -----Original Message----- > From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jody allen > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:51 AM > To: jim.r.graham@fsmail.net > Cc: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DIXONS from Ulster > > Didn't a lot of the Scottish Borderers after 1603 when the reiving way of > life was ending becaue of the union of the crowns, move to Ulster as part > of > the plantation period or were encouraged to move by King James Vii/i ? > Maybe why there were Nixons in both places. > Jody > > On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Jim Graham <jim.r.graham@fsmail.net> > wrote: > > > Cheryl, > > Sorry but I have only traced my direct ancestors, who stayed in the > > Scottish Borders. If you have a name of a Dixon born in the period > > 1762 to 1771, I will look see if it could fit. > > Regards, Jim Graham > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Jody Allen, > Scottish Scribbles Blog > http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Researching: > Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart > Ireland: Lynch, Drought > Wales: Williams, Walsh > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Jody Allen, Scottish Scribbles Blog http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh
Another point of view on Graham/Maharg http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GRAHAM/1998-10/0909867572 www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Maharg
Attention: Linda Hindley I got my friend , the retired Scottish Detective, 'on the job', so you might find this information useful. Ruth > > > -------------------------------------------------- >> >> They dont have coroners in Scotland or Inquests. They have Fatal Accident >> Inquiries or F.A.I.'s These are dealt with by the Procurator Fiscal (who >> also prosecute crimes) >> The Procurator Fiscal for Dumphries and Galloway is at >> >> >> District Procurator Fiscal for Dumfries and Kirkcudbright >> >> 44 Buccleuch Street >> >> DUMFRIES >> >> DG1 2AP >> >> 01387 274 585 >> >> They should be able to provide information. >> >> Due to The Data Protection Act They wont give information to me but a >> relative should be ableto get it >> >> >>>> >>>
Yes, you are correct. I recall reading somewhere (didn't bookmark it though) that there were at least 30,000+ borderers who were "encouraged" to emigrate to Ireland and beyond. Cliff. "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see," >From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jody allen Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:51 AM To: jim.r.graham@fsmail.net Cc: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DIXONS from Ulster Didn't a lot of the Scottish Borderers after 1603 when the reiving way of life was ending becaue of the union of the crowns, move to Ulster as part of the plantation period or were encouraged to move by King James Vii/i ? Maybe why there were Nixons in both places. Jody On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Jim Graham <jim.r.graham@fsmail.net> wrote: > Cheryl, > Sorry but I have only traced my direct ancestors, who stayed in the > Scottish Borders. If you have a name of a Dixon born in the period > 1762 to 1771, I will look see if it could fit. > Regards, Jim Graham > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jody Allen, Scottish Scribbles Blog http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Didn't a lot of the Scottish Borderers after 1603 when the reiving way of life was ending becaue of the union of the crowns, move to Ulster as part of the plantation period or were encouraged to move by King James Vii/i ? Maybe why there were Nixons in both places. Jody On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Jim Graham <jim.r.graham@fsmail.net> wrote: > Cheryl, > Sorry but I have only traced my direct ancestors, who stayed in the > Scottish Borders. If you have a name of a Dixon born in the period 1762 to > 1771, I will look see if it could fit. > Regards, Jim Graham > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jody Allen, Scottish Scribbles Blog http://scottishscribbles.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh
I would like to bring to your attention a new project which has grown out of the Johnston/es in Poldean group. We are now working with Ian McClumpha in Scotland to extend the family trees of Johnston/e in Poldean and those kin proven via Y-DNA tests. To the best of my knowledge this is the first, large-scale, research project of this kind to use both Y-DNA results and documentation together. It is being done on a lesser scale with some family trees, but not of a scope such as this. For those of you who have a proven Y-DNA link and/or have a documented connection to one of our current Y-DNA Cousins we extend an invitation to join us on our Yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JohnstonsInPoldean/?yguid=331961882 If you are uncertain and would like to have a male Johnston/e in your family take a Y-DNA test, we use and recommend FTDNA - it simplifies understanding genetic relationships if we are all testing for the same Y-DNA markers. Here is their link: http://www.familytreedna.com/ Our Johnston/e in Poldean, Y-DNA signature is very distinctive. If you have had your Y-DNA tested and are not sure if you belong to our family you should check your first 4 allele values. If they are 15, 23, 15, 10 or 14, 23, 15, 10 then you are kin J, and we would love to hear from you. If you have the surnames Johnson, Johnston, or Johnstone in your family and are uncertain of a Poldean connection here are a few clues that may help you. The given names of Christopher, Francis and George (to a lesser extent) are uncommon in most Johnson, Johnston & Johnston/e family trees, but they are quite common in Poldean and Poldean-kin lines. George occurs less commonly in our Poldean lines, but when found with Francis and/or Christopher the connection becomes highly probable. The following link will take you to a section of an Ordnance map which shows the relative locations of Moffatt, the Devil's Beef Tub, Poldean, etc.: http://www.pbase.com/cjmax/image/118570565 I wish you all good hunting, Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see," >From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay
Hi Alastair I live near Applegarth and have never heard of Fishhead Kemple. There is a Fishbeck between Applegarthtown and Millhousebridge. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com _____ From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Johnstone Sent: 16 October 2010 17:21 To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Where is Fishead Kemple I have a MI that lists Elizabeth Byers as having died at Fishead Kemple in Applegarth Parish. I cannot find it on any map. Does anyone know where Fishead Kemple is? thanks Alastair Johnstone ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3181 - Release Date: 10/06/10 Internal Virus Database is out of date.
[DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Where is Fishead Kemple Hi Ian, Fishbeck is in the area that I would expect to find Fishead Kemple. I wonder if it could be the same place? The reason that I would expect it to be in this area is that the connection to this part of the Annan was quite strong, and her daughter Janet was married to Andrew Gillespie who was the Grocer/Postmaster at Millhousebridge. I have not as of yet found any other reference to Fishead Kemple but there is no misspelling or transcription error. I wrote down the MI myself from a grave in Lochmaben. The MI Reads: In memory of James Johnstone tenant of Lochbrow who died at Chinnies Jan 17th 1817 aged 77 years and Elizabeth Byers his spouse who also died at Fishhead Kemple Parish of Applegirth 31st Dec 1835 aged 83 years. Thanks for your help, Alastair Johnstone From: Ian A McClumpha Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:12 PM To: 'Al Johnstone' ; dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Where is Fishead Kemple Hi Alastair I live near Applegarth and have never heard of Fishhead Kemple. There is a Fishbeck between Applegarthtown and Millhousebridge. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Johnstone Sent: 16 October 2010 17:21 To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Where is Fishead Kemple I have a MI that lists Elizabeth Byers as having died at Fishead Kemple in Applegarth Parish. I cannot find it on any map. Does anyone know where Fishead Kemple is? thanks Alastair Johnstone ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3181 - Release Date: 10/06/10 Internal Virus Database is out of date.
Alastair, Just out of curiosity, have you had your Y-DNA tested and/or do you know if you are connected to the Johnston/es in Poldean? Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see," >From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay -----Original Message----- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Johnstone Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:25 PM To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Fw: Where is Fishead Kemple [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Where is Fishead Kemple Hi Ian, Fishbeck is in the area that I would expect to find Fishead Kemple. I wonder if it could be the same place? The reason that I would expect it to be in this area is that the connection to this part of the Annan was quite strong, and her daughter Janet was married to Andrew Gillespie who was the Grocer/Postmaster at Millhousebridge. I have not as of yet found any other reference to Fishead Kemple but there is no misspelling or transcription error. I wrote down the MI myself from a grave in Lochmaben. The MI Reads: In memory of James Johnstone tenant of Lochbrow who died at Chinnies Jan 17th 1817 aged 77 years and Elizabeth Byers his spouse who also died at Fishhead Kemple Parish of Applegirth 31st Dec 1835 aged 83 years. Thanks for your help, Alastair Johnstone From: Ian A McClumpha Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:12 PM To: 'Al Johnstone' ; dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Where is Fishead Kemple Hi Alastair I live near Applegarth and have never heard of Fishhead Kemple. There is a Fishbeck between Applegarthtown and Millhousebridge. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dumfries-galloway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Johnstone Sent: 16 October 2010 17:21 To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Where is Fishead Kemple I have a MI that lists Elizabeth Byers as having died at Fishead Kemple in Applegarth Parish. I cannot find it on any map. Does anyone know where Fishead Kemple is? thanks Alastair Johnstone ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1136 / Virus Database: 422/3181 - Release Date: 10/06/10 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Is there anyone who can read 17th Century Commissary Court records? I purchased one from Scotlands People and it is legible. I also found a web site on the palaeographty of Scottish Documents that is excellent BUT am having difficulty. If anyone can direct me to someone who can do this, I would appreciate it very much. Janet Edgar Taylor