I am wondering if anyone is searching Thomas and Elizabeth Armstrong family. Elizabeth's maiden name was Davidson. They were married Oct 10, 1853 Dorrock, Dumfries. Their children were Mary 1853, Elizabeth 1857, John 1855, Nancy & Thomas 1859, Andrew 1862, Jane 1864, Margaret Jardine McQueen 1868 and Irvine 1873, All the children were born in Dorrock, Dumfries. I do know that Andrew married Jessie Russell in 1874 in the District of Plantation, County of Lanark. If anyone has these people in the family tree, I would love to hear from them. Thanks Joan B.C. Canada

McKinstry, or Mac An Astrigh, means son of a wanderer. James Mclay, local historian of Newtown Stewart in Galloway, suspects that "Tanolane" where Thomas McKinstry lived in 1499, was "Stanolane", a house on the southeastern corner of the hill behind Blackcraig, where there is one of several isolated houses that exists on the hill behind Blackcraig (including two that are associated with the farm fields). The people called it Stanolane because they were laughing at its isolation. It is an old local joke. Since in 1565 Thomas McKinstry, owner of three plots of land, was of Blackcraig, it looks like this family was firmly established on one or more of the isolated farms in the woods at the base of the hill behind Blackcraig, between 1499 and 1565. Incidentally, Mr. Mclay sent me a scanned detailed topographical map of Blackcraig and the hill behind it, that would be very helpful to the several other people on this list who have posted about having ancestors on the farms in the woods at Blackcraig. I need more information on the history of Blackcraig, and I am wondering if something about McKinstry behavior stood out from among their neighbors, and resulted in them (1) living on an isolated farm in the woods on a hill instead of like the other people around them, (2) had to do with them "holding sasine" of several plots of land each that they may have been buying and selling their interest in, possibly over several parishes, and (3) provoked the people around them into jokingly nicknaming them "son of a wanderer". To know McKinstry's today, their hot headedness and stubbornness, anomic individualism, deficient sense of community, and lack of attachment to one ain't no joke. In some ways they are far more Scotch Irish than they ought to be given that they were always more intelligent, more civilized and substantially materially better off than the great masses of their fellow Scotch-Irish. Here are my questions. I can use referrals to anyone, like university professors, or any books, that might have some of the answers. For instance, my local university library has a detailed study of land use and feudal social organization of southeastern Scotland. 1. I understand that the area was pretty much owned by large landowners. Copyholders like the McKinstry's would have leased from them. Who owned Blackcraig, and who owned the hill behind it? Was any part of that hill owned by noone or otherwise free for small landowners to actually own? If it isn't known who owned this land in 1500, who owned it as far back as records show who owned it? I really need to know who owned it for the next century or two. 1a. Would the McKinstry's have been geographically likely to have been among the people who heard Gordon landowner read from his Wycliffe Bible to groups of neighbors in the woods? He owned large blocks of Penninghame Parish, I guess. And did they live on land owned by Stewart guy who married his daughter Margaret to John Knox, as his teenaged second wife? That guy ended up with both a local castle, and the land that had belonged to the Gordon's. The Gordon's bought it about 1598 from a family named Muir who eventually got some of it back. Whether by coincidence or not, one of the two daughters and heirs of Thomas McKinstry of Blackcraig who died in 1565, was Bessie Gordon. (The aristocracy of Galloway actually played a central role in the Covenanter movement.) The reason why I ask is that nearly all McKinstry families in North America carry traditions about leaving Scotland on account of religious persecution or else having fought in such confused historical entities as "the Scottish Revolution". 2. What was the general pattern of land use in Penninghame and Minnigaff parishes in 1500? Was it a strict feudal system? Was it organized such that houses were typically in groups surrounded by fields, and each peasant worked strips of land here and there in an open field system? Or did peasants lease entire farms that would contain widely scattered homes with their farm buildings and the fields? 2a, Did the occupants of the isolated farms in the woods on the hill behind Blackcraig, practice a different land use system? Were they fully incorporated into the feudal system, holdouts from an older system, or were they practicing a new system of land use? 2b. The McKinstry's were clearly buying and selling small plots of land, that they held several of at one time, that might be scattered across several parishes. Was this normal in 1500, or were the McKinstry's innovators? (In England, a direct ancestor of mine who got rich by behaving pretty much the same way, in a place and time where land practice was still feudal, never advanced far in community leadership because people thought he wasn't quite right. They were right; his innovative behavior stemmed from his bipolar disorder, which he handed right on down to his descendants. In Salem, a member of his group of families was executed as a witch because people thought his land speculating practices stemmed from his being in league with Satan. The evidence hardly supports thinking the McKinstry's were land speculators, but would their fellow community members have thought they didn't quite act right?) 3. Those three farms at the base of the hill behind Blackcraig sure look very different from the consistent fields in the river valley. Did something besides the terrain determine the differences? Were the people different from those who occupied the flat land in the valley? 4. Why would these farms have been built in the forest on a hill? Did they run out of land, or were the builders trying to get away from authority, or engaged in illicit activity? Why were only these farms built in that location? If farming could be done on the hill, it seems like pretty soon the trees should have been gone and the hill covered with farm fields, just like the valley. 5. When was Blackcraig first occupied? 6. When were the farms built on the hillside? 7. For how long were mines in the Cree River valley? I keep reading and getting told that the area's lead mines were a 19th century feature or only existed from 1600. That makes no sense. What brought beaker people, Urnfielders and the Welsh to the region? You'd think that if Welsh were going to found a colony across Britain in a north-south direction, it would sure have something to do with mines. 8. One of the houses where the records tell us the McKinstry's lived at Blackcraig may have been called "Standalone" as a joke, because of the unusual isolation of the farms and the homes on that hill. How likely is it that this local sense of humor created the name "son of a wanderer" (Mac An Aistrigh) out of a practice of moving around and holding sasine of little pieces of land here and there over a number of parishes? "Son of a Wanderer" in the "Standalone House"! I can see it now. In fact, knowing some McKinstry's, it actually takes little stretch of the imagination. I'm chuckling too. Does it reflect a way the McKinstry family differed from the people around them? Do you think local villagers are likely to have made fun of the people who lived on that hill, or of people whose idea of land use bent more toward making a profit than growing crops on strips of open field that my father claimed, and never leaving one's native village? Yours, Villandra Thorsdottir Austin, Texas

Lynda, The next trick is to get him to use FTDNA services, not one of the others. The reasons are threefold: 1. larger data base, 2. greater support, and 3. if he goes with another company he won't be able to compare his results accurately with those done by FTDNA as the others test for a few different markers - just enough to make a difference. Then it costs more money to get the "missing" markers tested by FTDNA. Good luck, and good hunting, Cliff. Johnston “May the best you’ve ever seen, Be the worst you’ll ever see,” >From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynda's Lot Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 6:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Johnston Hi Cliff With such a common name, I've been trying to persuade an English direct male descendant of John Johnston to have a Y-DNA test done. I'll have to metaphorically twist his arm a bit more! Thanks, Lynda On 24 February 2011 11:12, Cliff. Johnston <[email protected]> wrote: > It's a very good idea to have a male Johnston in your line have his > Y-DNA tested.  There are over 30 haplogroups now so that will give you > some idea of the diversity that is there.  The Y-DNA test helps to > narrow it down significantly. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see," > From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynda's > Lot > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:09 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Johnston > > Aaron, not that I'm aware. > > Lynda > > > On 24 February 2011 08:22, Aaron Hill <[email protected]> wrote: >> Is there any DNA testing on direct male descendants of John JOHNSTON? >> >> -- Aaron >> >> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Lynda's Lot <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Good morning from New Zealand. >>> >>> Seeking information on John JOHNSTON (ca 1813-1852), born in >>> Dumfries, Scotland, son of John Johnston - >>> http://sites.google.com/site/lyndaslot/our-lot/combined-family-names >>> / >>> johnston2 >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's a very good idea to have a male Johnston in your line have his Y-DNA tested. There are over 30 haplogroups now so that will give you some idea of the diversity that is there. The Y-DNA test helps to narrow it down significantly. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see," >From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynda's Lot Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Johnston Aaron, not that I'm aware. Lynda On 24 February 2011 08:22, Aaron Hill <[email protected]> wrote: > Is there any DNA testing on direct male descendants of John JOHNSTON? > > -- Aaron > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Lynda's Lot <[email protected]> wrote: >> Good morning from New Zealand. >> >> Seeking information on John JOHNSTON (ca 1813-1852), born in >> Dumfries, Scotland, son of John Johnston - >> http://sites.google.com/site/lyndaslot/our-lot/combined-family-names/ >> johnston2 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all those who helped me to correct my mistakes, I thank you – please though, don’t tell my wife that I goofed ;-) lol…she'll never let me live it down. Sorry that it took so long, but I replaced my old computer only to find out that I needed to upgrade much of my software which included Photoshop – it took a while… Here is the link to the new, corrected map ☺ Enjoy: http://www.pbase.com/image/131514919/large Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston “May the best you’ve ever seen, Be the worst you’ll ever see,” >From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay P.S.: If you should find more errors, please let me know today while I’m “in the mood” to make the corrections ;-)

Is there any DNA testing on direct male descendants of John JOHNSTON? -- Aaron On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Lynda's Lot <[email protected]> wrote: > Good morning from New Zealand. > > Seeking information on John JOHNSTON (ca 1813-1852), born in Dumfries, > Scotland, son of John Johnston - > http://sites.google.com/site/lyndaslot/our-lot/combined-family-names/johnston2

I just rememered that there are other people on this list with a genealogical interest in Blackcraig. Mr. Mclay specifically said that this "standalone" house whose name may be a joke is south of the lead mine. I had my directions mixed up and was thinking to the east. This is Newton Stewart (actually in Minnigaff). Not the Standalane in Annan in Dumfriesshire. Blackcraig itself is south of the lead mine. So is that big group of old fields and the two sets of buildings. I bet Standolane is one of them - and where else would a farmer who held a plot of land there have lived? Yours, Villandra Thorsdottir Austin, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 8:56 AM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Looking for Standolane near Blackcraig >I just had a real short conversation with Jim Mclay, whose name I can hope >I'm spelling right, at the Newton Stewart Museum. I'm to e-mail for more >informaiton. > > I'd really like to pin this one down. I mentioned the records I have on > the 16th century McKinstry family and the sources of the records, and I > mentioned the mystery of where Tandolane was located. He thinks this > could possibly be Standolane. Standolane is a house that stands by itself > near Blackcraig, to the south - whether of the farm fields where I know > McKinstry's owned land, or to the south of the entire great hill with the > lead mine, I'm not sure. > > Can anyone place this place and tell me something about it? > > Yours, > Villandra Thorsdottir > Austin, Texas > ----- Original > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just had a real short conversation with Jim Mclay, whose name I can hope I'm spelling right, at the Newton Stewart Museum. I'm to e-mail for more informaiton. I'd really like to pin this one down. I mentioned the records I have on the 16th century McKinstry family and the sources of the records, and I mentioned the mystery of where Tandolane was located. He thinks this could possibly be Standolane. Standolane is a house that stands by itself near Blackcraig, to the south - whether of the farm fields where I know McKinstry's owned land, or to the south of the entire great hill with the lead mine, I'm not sure. Can anyone place this place and tell me something about it? Yours, Villandra Thorsdottir Austin, Texas ----- Original

Hi Wendy, On further investigation, James Hyslop and Agnes Douglas were Mary's uncle and aunt. John Hyslop and Margaret Halliday in 1871 Durisdeer were also an uncle and aunt. Their father was Robert Hylsop shoemaker of Durisdeer. The William Hyslop in the 1881 and 1891 census in Durrisdeer with John Hyslop was Mary's brother, born in England about 1862. Their mother Margaret Barclay Hyslop died in 1862 in STaffordhire England. William Hyslop remarried in England nad had more children. He died in 1873. There is a marriage between William Hyslop and Margaret Barclay in Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire England in 1857 in the marriage index. Joanna > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:26:38 -0500 > From: Wendy Miller <[email protected]> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Researching Miller/Hyslop/Douglas > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear Members, > > > > I am a new member and am still in the > "bouncing-off-the-wall-this-is-so-exiting" stage of my research > > > > I have had in my possession a sampler dated 1873, Mary Hyslop, Keir School > and believe this to be my great grandmother born in Keir Dumfriesshire > either 1858 or 1860. Mary is the daughter of James Hyslop and Agnes Douglas > - based on my research with the LDS and Ancestry sites .

Hello Wendy, Isn't genealogy wonderful? There is excitement in every detail you can track down. I use Ancestry and the LDS to narrow the trail and pinpoint records I want to look at and then look at the actual record itself. I think you have gone off on a wrong track. James Halliday Miller's Attestation paper in Ottawa gives his birthdate as Nov 22 1885. I also see that Mary in the 1891 Scotland census and in the 1911 Canada census gives her birthplace as England not Scotland. Her immigration date from the 1911 census says 1900. Was she actually in Scotland in 1901. So something is not right with what you found. Start with the birth record for James Halliday Miller. You can get it from Scotlandspeople for a fee. It is worth having a copy of actual documents. The birth registration document says his father was Robert Weir Miller, a butcher, His mother was Mary Miller, previously Barrowman, Maiden Surname Hyslop and married July 1 1884 in Holytown. Following up on this marriage in 1884 shows a marriage between Robert Weir Miller, flesher, bachelor , parents Robert Gardner Miller and Margaret Miller MS Weir and Mary Hyslop, flesher, Widow, daughter of William Hyslop , draper (deceased) and Margaret Hyslop MS Galloway (deceased). The marriage took place in Holytown, Lanark. So if Robert was a bachelor in 1884, who was the boy Robert B Miller age 9 in the 1891 census. Was this a son for Mary from her first marriage - a Robert Barrowman? Looking for a Mary Barrowman in the 1881 census , born in England shows one in Armadale, Bathgate, West Lothian. Husband was Alexander age 23, and a butcher as well. There is also a son John H. 8 months old. I bet there is a birth registration for a Robert Barrowman in 1882 in Armadale. There is a marriage for Alexander Barrowman and Mary Hylsop in DUrrisdeer, DUmfries in 1879. Her father is listed as William Hyslop, Tailor and Clothier, deceased. Her mother listed as Margaret Hyslop MS Barclay, deceased. Looking for Mary Hyslop, with these parents shows the family in England , Stoke upon Trent in the 1861 census. Her father age 37 is a master tailor and mother Margaret is 25. Both parents were born Scotland. Mary is shown as born Staffords, Stoke on Trent. I don't see the family in 1871 England but there is a possibility for Mary age 10 born England in Durrisdeer , Dumfrieshire living with John Hyslop and Margaret Halliday, as a neice . So where does the Keir sampler connection come from. Was she sent to live in Keir with another aunt and uncle? You will have to track down William Hyslop's parents. Good luck Joanna Waugh Canada > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:26:38 -0500 > From: Wendy Miller <[email protected]> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Researching Miller/Hyslop/Douglas > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear Members, > > > > I am a new member and am still in the > "bouncing-off-the-wall-this-is-so-exiting" stage of my research > > > > I have had in my possession a sampler dated 1873, Mary Hyslop, Keir School > and believe this to be my great grandmother born in Keir Dumfriesshire > either 1858 or 1860. Mary is the daughter of James Hyslop and Agnes Douglas > - based on my research with the LDS and Ancestry sites . > > > > I believe she married Robert W. Miller (date?) and had at least 2 children: > Robert B. Miller and my grandfather James Halliday Miller. She and James > came to Canada abt 1900 or so (can not cite my source just now) and that is > why I have her sampler > > > > I am having trouble locating some information on her husband. Robert W. > Miller who, according to the 1891 Scotland Census, was born in Shotts > Lanarkshire He seems to have disappeared, somewhere between 1891 and 1901 > Census as the 1901 Scotland Census shows Mary as the head of the household > in Rutherglen living on Greenhill Rd and working as a dressmaker, living > with her sons Robert and James (G?) Miller. As I mentioned above, I have a > source that says she came to Canada in 1900. I found a family tree on > Ancestry that confirms Mary Hyslop as the daughter of James and Agnes but > shows her as dead in 1879 in London, which I believe is incorrect. > > > > If anyone has any insights that could point me in the right direction, I > would be most grateful for your help. If there is a preferred way to present > information to make it easier to assist me, please let me know. > > > > Best, wendymiller

I am researching a Susannah LEYBURN b. approx 1782 +/- 1 year.  I am hitting a brick wall researching the LEYBURN line.  I do not know where they originated.   She gave her birthplace as Port William (1861 census) and Mochrum (1851 census).   Susannah was married to a John Duncan of Kincardine O'Neil who served with the 92nd regiment of Foot. They had 2 sons born 1818 (John Alexander) and 1820 (Robert)  in Mochrum, Wigtown.  A daughter, Margaret was born in Wigtown in 1813 +/- 2 years.  Any info on Margaret Duncan would also be greatly appreciated.  Margaret was not raised with the family and may have been raised by Leyburn's in Mochrum/Port William. Thank you, Linda from the Land of Enchantment

You need not be new to be "bouncing off the walls". It IS exciting... enjoy yourself; lots of luck! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Wendy Miller Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Researching Miller/Hyslop/Douglas Dear Members, I am a new member and am still in the "bouncing-off-the-wall-this-is-so-exiting" stage of my research I have had in my possession a sampler dated 1873, Mary Hyslop, Keir School and believe this to be my great grandmother born in Keir Dumfriesshire either 1858 or 1860. Mary is the daughter of James Hyslop and Agnes Douglas - based on my research with the LDS and Ancestry sites . I believe she married Robert W. Miller (date?) and had at least 2 children: Robert B. Miller and my grandfather James Halliday Miller. She and James came to Canada abt 1900 or so (can not cite my source just now) and that is why I have her sampler I am having trouble locating some information on her husband. Robert W. Miller who, according to the 1891 Scotland Census, was born in Shotts Lanarkshire He seems to have disappeared, somewhere between 1891 and 1901 Census as the 1901 Scotland Census shows Mary as the head of the household in Rutherglen living on Greenhill Rd and working as a dressmaker, living with her sons Robert and James (G?) Miller. As I mentioned above, I have a source that says she came to Canada in 1900. I found a family tree on Ancestry that confirms Mary Hyslop as the daughter of James and Agnes but shows her as dead in 1879 in London, which I believe is incorrect. If anyone has any insights that could point me in the right direction, I would be most grateful for your help. If there is a preferred way to present information to make it easier to assist me, please let me know. Best, wendymiller ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Members, I am a new member and am still in the "bouncing-off-the-wall-this-is-so-exiting" stage of my research I have had in my possession a sampler dated 1873, Mary Hyslop, Keir School and believe this to be my great grandmother born in Keir Dumfriesshire either 1858 or 1860. Mary is the daughter of James Hyslop and Agnes Douglas - based on my research with the LDS and Ancestry sites . I believe she married Robert W. Miller (date?) and had at least 2 children: Robert B. Miller and my grandfather James Halliday Miller. She and James came to Canada abt 1900 or so (can not cite my source just now) and that is why I have her sampler I am having trouble locating some information on her husband. Robert W. Miller who, according to the 1891 Scotland Census, was born in Shotts Lanarkshire He seems to have disappeared, somewhere between 1891 and 1901 Census as the 1901 Scotland Census shows Mary as the head of the household in Rutherglen living on Greenhill Rd and working as a dressmaker, living with her sons Robert and James (G?) Miller. As I mentioned above, I have a source that says she came to Canada in 1900. I found a family tree on Ancestry that confirms Mary Hyslop as the daughter of James and Agnes but shows her as dead in 1879 in London, which I believe is incorrect. If anyone has any insights that could point me in the right direction, I would be most grateful for your help. If there is a preferred way to present information to make it easier to assist me, please let me know. Best, wendymiller

Many thanks to Bruce McDowell for his speedy deciphering of the birth record I was stumped with and as always the promptness of help. I am most grateful to Bruce and all the Genealogy helpers who so freely give of their time and experience.. Cheers Aye Jim Patterson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Patterson Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 4:51 PM To: Dumfries-Galloway roots web list Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] SKS help reading old record please? Hiya Listers, I have an 1739 birth record that I am having difficulty with a couple of words from it and hoped someone would help by taking a look and deciphering the text please? I will email the record directJ Cheers Jim Patterson Brentwood Bay, BC, Canada. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3445 - Release Date: 02/16/11 23:34:00

Hiya Listers, I have an 1739 birth record that I am having difficulty with a couple of words from it and hoped someone would help by taking a look and deciphering the text please? I will email the record directJ Cheers Jim Patterson Brentwood Bay, BC, Canada.

Hi Donna I was born and raised at Mid-Locharwoods, and still live in the area. The only cottages I know at Nether-Locharwoods are called "The Dabbins" on old maps these are named 'Clay Daubins' which were an old type of construction similar to Robert Burns' house at Alloway, near Ayr. Although it is possible that other cottages existed, these are the only ones I know of, and my memory begins about 1950. I cannot think of any other possible site for cottages unless they were part of the steading. Merkland is probably the most common farm name in Scotland as it relates to the old rental value of the farm. Merkland, almost in Caerlaverock parish did belong to the old Barony of Locharwoods at one time. Best wishes Ian Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of DONNA AITKEN Sent: 16 February 2011 23:25 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Where is Merkland Farm Ruthwell or Nether Locharwoods... Thanks to those sending me the map reference- google maps only show a brown blur in that area- found two  photos of the farm on the website http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/484181 there are wonderful resource photos for your family trees- just awaiting permission to copy it Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Where is Merkland Farm Ruthwell or Nether Locharwoods... To: [email protected] > Hi Donna >   > There is a 'Merkland' close to Bankend a few miles west of  > Ruthwell.      > It appears near the top of the  Victorian 1 inch map for > Annan > (_http://maps.nls.uk/os/view/?sid=74488561_ > (http://maps.nls.uk/os/view/?sid=74488561) ). >      It is still there on modern > maps.     Upper, Mid and Nether  > Locharwoods also appear to the SE of Bankend. >   > Regards > Donald Grant >   >   > In a message dated 16/02/2011 20:23:47 GMT Standard Time,  > [email protected] writes: > > Hi  Listers > I > have finally found my husband's gt gt grandmother Helen  > (Ellen) Hannah > living in Dumfriesshire (I had been looking in  > Dumbartonshire because > the family story said she was born in the walls of  > Dumbarton Castle- > this was between 1841-2  and discovered it wasn't a  > garrison then) Turns > out she was born in Merkland Farm Ruthwell to Robert  > Hannah and Jane > (Jean Smith who was the daughter of Adam Smith) on the  > 24th November > 1841. She migrated to New Zealand > between the 1851  cenus and the 1861 census . I found her > parents living > in the Cottage  Nether Locharwoods in the 1861 > census.  Does anyoneu know > of > the  cottage that would have existed in these times > > I would be really  appreciative of your "Local knowledge" here. > Thanks > Donna in  Vancouver > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the  list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the  word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the  message >   > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Donna There is a 'Merkland' close to Bankend a few miles west of Ruthwell. It appears near the top of the Victorian 1 inch map for Annan (_http://maps.nls.uk/os/view/?sid=74488561_ (http://maps.nls.uk/os/view/?sid=74488561) ). It is still there on modern maps. Upper, Mid and Nether Locharwoods also appear to the SE of Bankend. Regards Donald Grant In a message dated 16/02/2011 20:23:47 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Listers I have finally found my husband's gt gt grandmother Helen (Ellen) Hannah living in Dumfriesshire (I had been looking in Dumbartonshire because the family story said she was born in the walls of Dumbarton Castle- this was between 1841-2 and discovered it wasn't a garrison then) Turns out she was born in Merkland Farm Ruthwell to Robert Hannah and Jane (Jean Smith who was the daughter of Adam Smith) on the 24th November 1841. She migrated to New Zealand between the 1851 cenus and the 1861 census . I found her parents living in the Cottage Nether Locharwoods in the 1861 census. Does anyoneu know of the cottage that would have existed in these times I would be really appreciative of your "Local knowledge" here. Thanks Donna in Vancouver ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to those sending me the map reference- google maps only show a brown blur in that area- found two  photos of the farm on the website http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/484181 there are wonderful resource photos for your family trees- just awaiting permission to copy it Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Where is Merkland Farm Ruthwell or Nether Locharwoods... To: [email protected] > Hi Donna >   > There is a 'Merkland' close to Bankend a few miles west of  > Ruthwell.      > It appears near the top of the  Victorian 1 inch map for > Annan > (_http://maps.nls.uk/os/view/?sid=74488561_ > (http://maps.nls.uk/os/view/?sid=74488561) ). >      It is still there on modern > maps.     Upper, Mid and Nether  > Locharwoods also appear to the SE of Bankend. >   > Regards > Donald Grant >   >   > In a message dated 16/02/2011 20:23:47 GMT Standard Time,  > [email protected] writes: > > Hi  Listers > I > have finally found my husband's gt gt grandmother Helen  > (Ellen) Hannah > living in Dumfriesshire (I had been looking in  > Dumbartonshire because > the family story said she was born in the walls of  > Dumbarton Castle- > this was between 1841-2  and discovered it wasn't a  > garrison then) Turns > out she was born in Merkland Farm Ruthwell to Robert  > Hannah and Jane > (Jean Smith who was the daughter of Adam Smith) on the  > 24th November > 1841. She migrated to New Zealand > between the 1851  cenus and the 1861 census . I found her > parents living > in the Cottage  Nether Locharwoods in the 1861 > census.  Does anyoneu know > of > the  cottage that would have existed in these times > > I would be really  appreciative of your "Local knowledge" here. > Thanks > Donna in  Vancouver > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the  list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the  word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the  message >   > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers I have finally found my husband's gt gt grandmother Helen (Ellen) Hannah living in Dumfriesshire (I had been looking in Dumbartonshire because the family story said she was born in the walls of Dumbarton Castle- this was between 1841-2  and discovered it wasn't a garrison then) Turns out she was born in Merkland Farm Ruthwell to Robert Hannah and Jane (Jean Smith who was the daughter of Adam Smith) on the 24th November 1841. She migrated to New Zealand  between the 1851 cenus and the 1861 census . I found her parents living in the Cottage Nether Locharwoods in the 1861 census.  Does anyoneu know of the cottage that would have existed in these times I would be really appreciative of your "Local knowledge" here. Thanks Donna in Vancouver

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