Hello, I am researching Captain William Lowden thought to be of Dumfries, Scotland. He began trading to North America during the American Revolutionary War but previous to this he spent 15 years in Russia and spent years carrying convicts to Virginia. He brought his family to Pictou, Nova Scotia, Canada in 1788 where he commenced shipbuilding. He bacame known as the father of shipbuilding in Pictou. He and his four sons were well known as men of business - Captain David Lowden, Robert, Thomas and William. There is an interesting story of his ship being taken over during the the American Revolutionary War. I have had no luck finding a birth in Scotland (I've tried Scotland's People etc..) , a marriage (as he must have had a wife), nor much about his shipping life previous to coming to Canada. Is there anyone that would have any suggestions of where to look for information? It would be interesting to find out which ship(s) he must have captained and what he was doing in Russia (Lumber??). Are there records of ship lists of convicts to Virginia? Perhaps there is someone who can offer help. Looking forward to any insights. Thanks, Janet

http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/grierson_family.pdf this may be of interest to Grierson researchers downloadable .PDF regards lesley in Tasmania

In reply to Digest, Vol 6, Issue 69 from Lesley in Tasmania regarding the Greierson family. I am a direct descendant of Helen Grierson born abt. 1655, daughter of William Grierson and Janet Watson. Helen died 11 October 1704 all O.P.R. Dumfries. Helen married John Glendinning who was born abt. 1659 and died 9 February 1737 all O.P.R. Dumfries Furthermore, John Glendinning's mother was Agnes Affleck born abt. 1635, daughter of Robert Affleck. Agnes married James Glendinning born abt. 1630 and died before 1714. This is all very premature to "your" ROBERT GRIERSON, his will dated 1835 but somehow, there may be a mutual link. Any likely validity do you think? My! Tracing ancestry is intriguing. Pam Eaton Murrumba Downs, Queensland > From: [email protected] > Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 69 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 01:02:05 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family (Lesley Fiedler) > 2. Re: Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family (Irene Macleod) > 3. Fw: NATURAL vs ILLEGITMATE terminology on birth cert. > (Maisie Egger) > 4. Re: Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family (Imchad Ancestry) > 5. Very Usefull Web Site on Kircudbright (Lesley Fiedler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:10:38 +1000 > From: Lesley Fiedler <[email protected]> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Does anyone have knowledge of PALMERSTON in 1841 1851 this was the home of my Grierson family 1861 noted as Palmerston Cottage so not sure if its an area or a Farm > > Piggots 1837 have it as > Palmerston Terregles Street Maxwelltown > > > his will dated 1835 does not say exactly what Palmerston was > GRIERSON ROBERT 12/10/1835 RESIDED AT PALMERSTON KIRKCUDBRIGHT SHERIFF COURT SC16/41/9 > > > Henrietta nee Cavan widow of farmer Robert Grierson > sons Robert & John were Tanners and later Grocers > daughters Henrietta & Catharine > > > > > 1841 Stewartry of Kirkcudbright - 1841 - Parish of Troqueer - (excluding Maxwelltown) - > > Henrietta Grierson, age 54 - Palmerston - > Jean Grierson, age 26 - Palmerston - > Robert Grierson, (Farmer) - Palmerston - (noted as Tanner age 23 in Ancestry census ) > Henrietta Grierson, age 19 - Palmerston - > Catherine Grierson, age 15 - Palmerston - > > John Grierson, age 25, (Tanner) - born Scotland - Palmerston - > Johanna (Porteous) Grierson, age 25, born Scotland - Palmerston - (wife of John) > Robert Grierson, age 02 - Palmerston - son of John > William Grierson, age 05 months - Palmerston - son of John > > > > > 1819 Woods Map has Mr Affleck Palmerston Terregles Street Maxwelltown > Off Terregles Street. Probably John Affleck, Provost of Maxwelltown, whose memorial is recorded in Lochrutton Churchyard.: he died on 4th May 1836 in the 54th year of his age - his wife was Janet Fraser, she died 7th January 1837 aged 65 years [Lochrutton Memorials, No 63] > > > > any help appreciated > Lesley in Tasmania > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 12:55:20 +0100 > From: Irene Macleod <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family > To: Lesley Fiedler <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi > > Putting Palmerston, Kirkcudbright brought up several websites one of which > was > > http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/scotland/dumfries+and+galloway/B > > This gives a list of Grade B listed buildings and one of them was > > *42 Terregles Street, Palmerston House, Gatepiers and Garden > Walls*<http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/sc-26347-42-terregles-street-palmerston-house-gate> > Grade B > Terregles Street, Dumfries, Dumfries and Galloway > > so it looks as if Palmerston House was at 42 Terregles St, which although > part of what is loosely called Dumfries is actually west of the river and > therefore in the county of Kirkcudbright. > > If you use the modern google map and move the little figure to get street > view you can see what might be the house ...can't quite get the number plate > magnified enough to be sure it's 42. > > Irene > > On 3 July 2011 12:10, wrote: > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 10:46:33 -0700 > From: "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Fw: NATURAL vs ILLEGITMATE terminology on > birth cert. > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Now here's another one on my "Upstairs Downstairs---Downton Abbey" housekeeper "soap opera" that needs a little thinking about. > > On her birth certificate in 1852 it indicates that she is the NATURAL daughter of this 48-year-old tenant farmer in Kirkcudbrightshire. (He was never married, so he was also likely otherwise busy farming between 300-600 acres which may have belonged to the Earl of Selkirk!). However, the birth of two males on the same page are recorded as ILLEGITIMATE sons to other unmarried couples in the same area of Rerrick, KKB.. > > Was there a reason why the female is recorded as the NATURAL daughter, but males are shown as ILLEGITIMATE? Had the authorities become "sensitive" to stigmatising girls this way, even back in 1852? Were females more likely to suffer the consequences of being born under such circumstances than males? > > On other documents I have there is no hesitation in labeling female and male children illegitimate on the birth certs. > > The "natural" born child went on to climb the domestic servant ladder by becoming a housekeeper in some very impressive homes in Lancashire, but somehow ended up in Croydon, Surrey, presumably in a less modest place than a "Downton Abbey." The coroner's inquest two days after her death at the age of 50 indicated that she fractured her skull from an accidental fall. > > Her son, also born out of wedlock (can't find who his father was, and whether he was "seeded" in Scotland or England is unknown), was taken care of by an aunt in the little village in Southwest Scotland where his mother came from, until he was maybe 16, and then he moved to England, presumably to be reunited with his mother. > > We do not know how this aunt supported him, but apparently the Kirk Session records will be available on Scotlandspeople this year, so more hunting to fill in more gaps, maybe. > > These are the events of which t.v. "soap operas" are created. If only I could write! > > Maisie > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 19:23:32 +0100 > From: "Imchad Ancestry" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family > To: "'Lesley Fiedler'" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Lesley > > Palmerston house was the home of William Primrose who bought the > estate and mansion house of Palmerston in the early 1800s. Palmerston house > became a hotel (I have fond memories of that) but it was destroyed by a fire > in the early 1970s. The gateposts are all that remain and the estate is now > covered with houses. No doubt the estate would have cottages but I doubt if > any remain. Queen of the South Football Club play at Palmerston Park, just > a couple of hundred yards away and which was probably part of the original > estate. > > The Primrose family are well documented. They had a Tanning business in the > beginning. Primrose and Gordon, Solicitors in Dumfries, were established by > Peter Primrose from the same family. > > Best wishes > > Ian A McClumpha > Researching Scottish Family History; please look at our website> > www.imchad.freeola.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lesley Fiedler > Sent: 03 July 2011 12:11 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family > > Does anyone have knowledge of PALMERSTON in 1841 1851 this was the home > of my Grierson family 1861 noted as Palmerston Cottage so not sure if its > an area or a Farm > > Piggots 1837 have it as > Palmerston Terregles Street Maxwelltown > > > his will dated 1835 does not say exactly what Palmerston was > GRIERSON ROBERT 12/10/1835 RESIDED AT PALMERSTON > KIRKCUDBRIGHT SHERIFF COURT SC16/41/9 > > > Henrietta nee Cavan widow of farmer Robert Grierson sons Robert & John were > Tanners and later Grocers daughters Henrietta & Catharine > > > > > 1841 Stewartry of Kirkcudbright - 1841 - Parish of Troqueer - (excluding > Maxwelltown) - > > Henrietta Grierson, age 54 - Palmerston - > Jean Grierson, age 26 - Palmerston - > Robert Grierson, (Farmer) - Palmerston - (noted as Tanner age 23 in > Ancestry census ) > Henrietta Grierson, age 19 - Palmerston - > Catherine Grierson, age 15 - Palmerston - > > John Grierson, age 25, (Tanner) - born Scotland - Palmerston - > Johanna (Porteous) Grierson, age 25, born Scotland - Palmerston - (wife of > John) > Robert Grierson, age 02 - Palmerston - son of John > William Grierson, age 05 months - Palmerston - son of John > > > > > 1819 Woods Map has Mr Affleck Palmerston Terregles Street > Maxwelltown > Off Terregles Street. Probably John Affleck, Provost of Maxwelltown, whose > memorial is recorded in Lochrutton Churchyard.: he died on 4th May 1836 in > the 54th year of his age - his wife was Janet Fraser, she died 7th January > 1837 aged 65 years [Lochrutton Memorials, No 63] > > > > any help appreciated > Lesley in Tasmania > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 15:14:53 +1000 > From: Lesley Fiedler <[email protected]> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Very Usefull Web Site on Kircudbright > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > http://www.kirkcudbright.co/index.asp > > I came across this in my recent searches for info on my Greirson family > > its a great source of info > > Lesley in Tasmania > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 69 > ************************************************

http://www.kirkcudbright.co/index.asp I came across this in my recent searches for info on my Greirson family its a great source of info Lesley in Tasmania

Does anyone have knowledge of PALMERSTON in 1841 1851 this was the home of my Grierson family 1861 noted as Palmerston Cottage so not sure if its an area or a Farm Piggots 1837 have it as Palmerston Terregles Street Maxwelltown his will dated 1835 does not say exactly what Palmerston was GRIERSON ROBERT 12/10/1835 RESIDED AT PALMERSTON KIRKCUDBRIGHT SHERIFF COURT SC16/41/9 Henrietta nee Cavan widow of farmer Robert Grierson sons Robert & John were Tanners and later Grocers daughters Henrietta & Catharine 1841 Stewartry of Kirkcudbright - 1841 - Parish of Troqueer - (excluding Maxwelltown) - Henrietta Grierson, age 54 - Palmerston - Jean Grierson, age 26 - Palmerston - Robert Grierson, (Farmer) - Palmerston - (noted as Tanner age 23 in Ancestry census ) Henrietta Grierson, age 19 - Palmerston - Catherine Grierson, age 15 - Palmerston - John Grierson, age 25, (Tanner) - born Scotland - Palmerston - Johanna (Porteous) Grierson, age 25, born Scotland - Palmerston - (wife of John) Robert Grierson, age 02 - Palmerston - son of John William Grierson, age 05 months - Palmerston - son of John 1819 Woods Map has Mr Affleck Palmerston Terregles Street Maxwelltown Off Terregles Street. Probably John Affleck, Provost of Maxwelltown, whose memorial is recorded in Lochrutton Churchyard.: he died on 4th May 1836 in the 54th year of his age - his wife was Janet Fraser, she died 7th January 1837 aged 65 years [Lochrutton Memorials, No 63] any help appreciated Lesley in Tasmania

Hi Lesley Palmerston house was the home of William Primrose who bought the estate and mansion house of Palmerston in the early 1800s. Palmerston house became a hotel (I have fond memories of that) but it was destroyed by a fire in the early 1970s. The gateposts are all that remain and the estate is now covered with houses. No doubt the estate would have cottages but I doubt if any remain. Queen of the South Football Club play at Palmerston Park, just a couple of hundred yards away and which was probably part of the original estate. The Primrose family are well documented. They had a Tanning business in the beginning. Primrose and Gordon, Solicitors in Dumfries, were established by Peter Primrose from the same family. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Researching Scottish Family History; please look at our website> www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lesley Fiedler Sent: 03 July 2011 12:11 To: [email protected] Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family Does anyone have knowledge of PALMERSTON in 1841 1851 this was the home of my Grierson family 1861 noted as Palmerston Cottage so not sure if its an area or a Farm Piggots 1837 have it as Palmerston Terregles Street Maxwelltown his will dated 1835 does not say exactly what Palmerston was GRIERSON ROBERT 12/10/1835 RESIDED AT PALMERSTON KIRKCUDBRIGHT SHERIFF COURT SC16/41/9 Henrietta nee Cavan widow of farmer Robert Grierson sons Robert & John were Tanners and later Grocers daughters Henrietta & Catharine 1841 Stewartry of Kirkcudbright - 1841 - Parish of Troqueer - (excluding Maxwelltown) - Henrietta Grierson, age 54 - Palmerston - Jean Grierson, age 26 - Palmerston - Robert Grierson, (Farmer) - Palmerston - (noted as Tanner age 23 in Ancestry census ) Henrietta Grierson, age 19 - Palmerston - Catherine Grierson, age 15 - Palmerston - John Grierson, age 25, (Tanner) - born Scotland - Palmerston - Johanna (Porteous) Grierson, age 25, born Scotland - Palmerston - (wife of John) Robert Grierson, age 02 - Palmerston - son of John William Grierson, age 05 months - Palmerston - son of John 1819 Woods Map has Mr Affleck Palmerston Terregles Street Maxwelltown Off Terregles Street. Probably John Affleck, Provost of Maxwelltown, whose memorial is recorded in Lochrutton Churchyard.: he died on 4th May 1836 in the 54th year of his age - his wife was Janet Fraser, she died 7th January 1837 aged 65 years [Lochrutton Memorials, No 63] any help appreciated Lesley in Tasmania ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Putting Palmerston, Kirkcudbright brought up several websites one of which was http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/scotland/dumfries+and+galloway/B This gives a list of Grade B listed buildings and one of them was *42 Terregles Street, Palmerston House, Gatepiers and Garden Walls*<http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/sc-26347-42-terregles-street-palmerston-house-gate> Grade B Terregles Street, Dumfries, Dumfries and Galloway so it looks as if Palmerston House was at 42 Terregles St, which although part of what is loosely called Dumfries is actually west of the river and therefore in the county of Kirkcudbright. If you use the modern google map and move the little figure to get street view you can see what might be the house ...can't quite get the number plate magnified enough to be sure it's 42. Irene On 3 July 2011 12:10, wrote: > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Now here's another one on my "Upstairs Downstairs---Downton Abbey" housekeeper "soap opera" that needs a little thinking about. On her birth certificate in 1852 it indicates that she is the NATURAL daughter of this 48-year-old tenant farmer in Kirkcudbrightshire. (He was never married, so he was also likely otherwise busy farming between 300-600 acres which may have belonged to the Earl of Selkirk!). However, the birth of two males on the same page are recorded as ILLEGITIMATE sons to other unmarried couples in the same area of Rerrick, KKB.. Was there a reason why the female is recorded as the NATURAL daughter, but males are shown as ILLEGITIMATE? Had the authorities become "sensitive" to stigmatising girls this way, even back in 1852? Were females more likely to suffer the consequences of being born under such circumstances than males? On other documents I have there is no hesitation in labeling female and male children illegitimate on the birth certs. The "natural" born child went on to climb the domestic servant ladder by becoming a housekeeper in some very impressive homes in Lancashire, but somehow ended up in Croydon, Surrey, presumably in a less modest place than a "Downton Abbey." The coroner's inquest two days after her death at the age of 50 indicated that she fractured her skull from an accidental fall. Her son, also born out of wedlock (can't find who his father was, and whether he was "seeded" in Scotland or England is unknown), was taken care of by an aunt in the little village in Southwest Scotland where his mother came from, until he was maybe 16, and then he moved to England, presumably to be reunited with his mother. We do not know how this aunt supported him, but apparently the Kirk Session records will be available on Scotlandspeople this year, so more hunting to fill in more gaps, maybe. These are the events of which t.v. "soap operas" are created. If only I could write! Maisie

Hi I have a bit of a complex situation where children of my cousin both married the same person namely Henrietta Grierson married Thomas Charlton Farries in 1872 her brother James Lewis Grierson married Letitia Jane Johnstone in 1885 ...James died in 1886 as did their son within a couple of weeks Letitia Jane Johnstone then married Thomas Charlton Farries in 1888 I have had alook through the Grierson Surname in the archives and see that a couple of listers back in 1999 Gloria Wallin & Susan in Madison NJ were intersted in this family if you are still on the list could you please contact me regards Lesley inTasmania

My statement that no museums responded was not quite correct. I did hear from David Devereaux of the Stewarty Museum in Kircudbright, and information that he provided led me to send the following letter to the owners of Netherwood Mains. 12 May 2008 J.G. Maxwell & Sons Netherwood Mains Glencaple Road Dumfries DG1 4TY To whom it may concern: I hope this letter finds you well. I have recently come into the possession of a 1797 account book created by William Brown, who was a merchant in my vicinity. William was born in Kirkcudbright circa 1765, and died in a theatre fire in Richmond, Virginia in 1811. He is buried at St. John’s Church in Richmond, Virginia. I have been in touch with David Devereaux of the Stewarty Museum in Kircudbright, and he mentioned that a few members of this family resided at Netherwood Mains, including: John Brown, Esq. “of Netherwood, Dumfriesshire” (born circa 1792, died in Richmond, Virginia in 1822) His wife Janet Anderson, died at Netherwood in 1824, aged 27. Margaret Brown (mother of abovementioned William Brown) died at Netherwood in 1826, age 86 In your dealings with the history of the Netherwood, have you come across any mentions of this Brown Family? I’m particularly interested in knowing if the house that they may have lived in is same as the attached photo. I can be reached by email at [email protected] if that is more convenient for you. Once I have completed my research, I will gladly provide you with a copy if you are interested. I look forward to hearing from you soon, as I remain, Sincerely, W. Scott Breckinridge Smith -- W. Scott Smith, Principal HistoryTech, LLC Historic Preservation Consulting Office: The Piedmont Center, 311 Rivermont Avenue Mailing: P.O. Box 75, Lynchburg, VA 24505 Mobile 434-401-3995 www.historytech.com

I sent this letter to a few museums in the area back in 2008, but did not get a response. I'm posting this just to see if anyone might have any thoughts. I have recently come into the possession of a 1797 account book created by William Brown, who was a merchant in my vicinity (Lynchburg, Virginia, United States). William was born in Kirkcudbright circa 1765, and died in a theatre fire in Richmond, Virginia in 1811. He is buried at St. John’s Church in Richmond. His brother John was born circa 1776, and died in Lynchburg, Virginia in 1801. He is buried at the Old City Cemetery in Lynchburg (but was originally buried in the Anglican churchyard here). My understanding is that William and John’s parents (James Brown [c. 1732-1816] and Margaret Burnie [c. 1740-1826]) are buried at Kirkchrist in your town. The Library of Virginia in Richmond is in possession of several letters between William Brown and his father James (also from relatives William Black and John Muir). These letters indicate that James Brown lived at or near “Dildawn,” which I believe is just north of you. Do you think that this means that the Browns lived at what is known as Dildawn Estate, or just in the immediate vicinity? The various business partnerships involving William Brown that I have been able to identify so far include: William Brown & Co. William Hart & Co. Hart Brown & Co. Brydie Brown & Co. Brown & Robertson Boyd Miller & Co. Miller Hart & Co. (2 Castle Court, Budge-row, London) I would be interested in knowing if your facility contains any additional information about this family. I can be reached by email at [email protected] if that is more convenient for you. Once I have completed my research, I will gladly provide your facility a copy if you wish to add it to your archives. I look forward to hearing from you soon, as I remain, Sincerely, W. Scott Breckinridge Smith -- W. Scott Smith, Principal HistoryTech, LLC Historic Preservation Consulting Office: The Piedmont Center, 311 Rivermont Avenue Mailing: P.O. Box 75, Lynchburg, VA 24505 Mobile 434-401-3995 www.historytech.com

The last e-mail address I have for Reg Paine a few years ago was [email protected]> It is no longer "in service," and so I wonder if any lister on the D & G list has a current e-mail address for Reg. He and I are descended from the same great-great (or more!) grandparents William Clint, b. 1792 Kelton, d. 1888 Auchencairn Kirkcudbrightshire and Sarah Hyslop, 1795-1879, Auchencairn, Kirkcudbrightshire. Thanks, Maisie

Hi Lawrence, Dora makes a good point. Whether or not many names were recorded with an Mac, Mc, or M' was at the whim of the session clerk or other official writing the record. As a DILL descendant, I have researched the name back as far as the 1864 lists. Its some years ago that I did most of this, so my memory is vague on how many of my DILLs were recorded as McDILL, but I'm sure there were some. I certainly wouldn't have regarded individuals being recorded as both McDILL and DILL as being remarkable. The latter certainly dominated with my line, who lived mainly in the parishes of Sorbie and Penninghame. It would take me a lot of time to go back over all my notes to find the specific examples, so I won't offer to do that at this stage. As for the 1684 lists, the only ones I am aware of that are available on-line are for Wigtownshire and Minnigaff: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~leighann/1684/intro.html#name This shows 8 DILLs but only one McDILL. Using searches for Birth/Christenings for all of Scotland the IGI has 116 records for DILL and 229 for McDILL. This doesn't prove much on its own, other than the fact that neither form was common. My earliest DILL ancestor was William DiLL, who according to his MI, was a tenant in Balsier, Sorbie, born 1863 or 1864, died 1783 - yes, he was 99 years old. Any connection? I can supply more details, but much has already been the subject of list messages, which can be found by searching the archives: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE.html Regards, Bruce On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Lawrence Dill <[email protected]> wrote: > I am trying to get paper evidence that the McDill sometimes went by the name of Dill. I believe that the name of Dill sometimes became a fixed name among a family that was originally McDill. Does anybody still have access to the 1684 Wigtownshire and Minnigaff Parish Lists? I think McDill and Dill were used indifferently on the 1684 parish lists? Perhaps someone knows of another record where the names of McDill and Dill were used indifferently?

Hello Bruce McDowall My earliest known Dill ancestor was John Dill who was recorded 1665 on the Hearth Money Roll in Ireland. I do not believe that my Dill ancestors were originally from Ireland. The surname of Dill did not exist in Ireland before the 17th century. The surname of Dill was brought to Ireland during the Ulster Plantation. My y-dna is R-M222. This y-dna is mostly found in Ireland and Lowland Scotland. There were a lot of Dill and McDill recorded in Kirkcudbrightshire on the early censuses. I believe my Dill ancestors were originally from SW Scotland. Lawrence Dill

Lawrence, in the 18th century and earlier, there was no concept of standard spelling. People wrote words and names according to how they sounded. Accordingly , McDill is one of many old spellings of MacDowall, which has gradually become fixed as McDill. Secondly, Dora is correct in that the mc/Mac prefix might or might not be used in any document. Black's "Surnames of Scotland" (pretty authoritative) mentions a couple of DILL references in the 14th century, both in the Inverness area. His earliest McDill example is dated 1526. The Parish Lists that you refer to were published in 1916 by the Scottish Record Society. My own index > http://www.kinhelp.co.uk/KinHelp/genealogical-indices/gene5 to "Chronicles of Lincluden", by William McDowall (Edinburgh, 1886) shows neither Dill nor McDill, but dows show McDowall. Regards. Gordon Johnson On 21/06/2011 08:01, Lawrence wrote: > From: Lawrence Dill<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] 1684 Wigtownshire and Minnigaff > Parish Lists > To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]> > Message-ID:<[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I am trying to get paper evidence that the McDill sometimes went by the name of Dill. I believe that the name of Dill sometimes became a fixed name among a family that was originally McDill. Does anybody still have access to the 1684 Wigtownshire and Minnigaff Parish Lists? I think McDill and Dill were used indifferently on the 1684 parish lists? Perhaps someone knows of another record where the names of McDill and Dill were used indifferently.

You shouldn't need hard evidence of that, since most Mc and Mac names sometimes dropped the Mc and Mac. If someone is requiring you to prove it, they probably won't believe it if you do. Dora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Dill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] 1684 Wigtownshire and Minnigaff Parish Lists I am trying to get paper evidence that the McDill sometimes went by the name of Dill. I believe that the name of Dill sometimes became a fixed name among a family that was originally McDill. Does anybody still have access to the 1684 Wigtownshire and Minnigaff Parish Lists? I think McDill and Dill were used indifferently on the 1684 parish lists? Perhaps someone knows of another record where the names of McDill and Dill were used indifferently? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to get paper evidence that the McDill sometimes went by the name of Dill. I believe that the name of Dill sometimes became a fixed name among a family that was originally McDill. Does anybody still have access to the 1684 Wigtownshire and Minnigaff Parish Lists? I think McDill and Dill were used indifferently on the 1684 parish lists? Perhaps someone knows of another record where the names of McDill and Dill were used indifferently?  

Hello, I have a Mary Blacklock in my tree who apparently was born in Dumfries, but definitely Scotland. She came to Canada, and married George Barrett in Halifax Nova Scotia May 12, 1836. He arrived in Nova Scotia a few years earlier with his brother John Barrett from Blackthorn, Oxfordshire, England. Her marriage bond was signed by George Barrett and Patrick Walsh. Mary lived to be 100, and died Nov 21, 1914, in Beaver Bank, Halifax County, Nova Scotia. Looking to figure out who her parents were. I have several possibilities, and am trying to narrow the choices down. Dwayne

Hi Listers I'm new to this list, and would like to know where I could get copies of the original Census, I'm subscribed to ancestry but the Scottist census on there are transcribed. Hope somebody can point me in the right direction Enid

Hi: Go to the official Scottish gov't website, scroll down on the left: http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ You have to Register and if you want to see the "original" pages, buy credits. Or go to your local LDS Family History Centre and they either have, or can order in, the microfilms that you will have to troll through. Marg in Sunny Alberta On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Enid Radcliffe <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Listers > I'm new to this list, and would like to know where I could get copies of the original Census, I'm subscribed to ancestry but the Scottist census on there are transcribed. > Hope somebody can point me in the right direction > Enid > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >