Until universal compulsory education came in at the beginning of the 1870s spelling was non-standard and at the whim of the writer. Only a minority had enough education to spell correctly. Irene

There have been comments of mis-spelling of amateur (ameture), but the concept of mis-spelling is a modern one. If you don't have access to a dictionary, how do you know what the "correct" spelling is? So, until dictionaries started being published (Dr. Johnson produced the first reliable English dictionary in 1755), spelling was on a "as it sounds" basis. The solution was always to say the word aloud, and that would tell you what the word was, Dictionaries took a long time to get into common use. In older documents (I am currently working on documents from the 1670s) it is not uncommon for the writer (Usually a notary = lawyer) to be spelling the same word several different ways within the one document.. The same applies to genealogy: the older the record, the more likely that the surname is spelled differently form what you expect. I was checking some records of people surnamed Blues, and find them recorded also as Blue, Blew, Blews, Blewes, Blewis - which all sound much the same. The standard work "The Surnames of Scotland" by George Black (published 1945 by New York public library, and nowadays available as a reprint from Birlinn, in Edinburgh) is excellent for displaying the many spellings he found for each surname. It also gives many clues as to the origin of each surname - most other surname books simply borrow from his work! Regards, Gordon Johnson

Hi Maisie et all I was in a rush for hospital appt this morning when I posted the Wikipedia link that 'SORT of ' explains the word that is on the gravestone ... the link is quite safe Dora ! I would not post a false link I have seen the word AMETURE used in old books that I have read in the course of my genealogy hunting but not sure where it was or what exactly it was in connection to you often see gravestones erected by 'friends of ' 'admirers off' and I think this is possibly of the same vein ie people who care regards Lesley in Tasmania

means lovers of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur regards lesley in Tasmania

Maisie, It seems that the local masons were not too particular about their spelling. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=wQ4iAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=amatures+auchencairn&source=bl&ots=wcVW241Zjs&sig=5tgml3rISF10n5ocTtYIK9gwQ3I&hl=en&ei=1wsmTti1K4XRmAXQvciFCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=amatures%20auchencairn&f=false shows other examples of their mis-spelling. HTH, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Maisie Egger To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:50 AM Subject: [genealogy] [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Fw: What does Ametures mean? I found this among the monumental inscriptions at Auchencairn cemetery, Kirkcudbrightshire. My Edinburgh published dictionary does not have a definition for Ametures. A search of Google showed nothing in context in the following. Does anyone know what the modern definition would be for Ametures? Inscription 9 Erected by Ametures of Auchencairn, to the memory of two unfortunate mariners, who (whose) bodies were found on Rascarol Shore, and interred in this place, on the 26th October 1863. Also of John Leachie, whose body was found on the same shore, and interred here on the 23rd June 1864. In oceans deepest darkest bed the secret slumbers with the dead. It caught my attention as three brothers in the one family (on my tree) from that general area died or were lost at sea with the years of 1823, 1832 and 1848. Maisie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lesley That is a list of Robert's assets - -the cash in the house -the household contents -the amount owed to him by James Tanner by virtue of an acknowledgement of debt or similar signed by James in 1833 - it occurs to me that Robert may possibly have sold his building/business to James at that time, and the acknowledgement may have been a mortgage or deed to secure the whole or part of the sale price -the amount of unpaid interest on the loan for the period of some 1Y 9 months up to the date of death -cash in the bank I guess it's clear, but the will provides for the wife to be paid the income for life then on her death for the estate to be divided among his children Regards Stephen Thwaite New Zealand //// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Fiedler" <[email protected]> Has anyone got an idea of what this will means esp the part talking about " Principal sum contained in obligation dated 1833" Robert Griersons will dated 12 October 1835 he died 2 April 1835 the two sons Robert & John were both Tanners in 1841 census Henrietta was noted as widow of farmer in 1861 census she was still living at Palmerston then the document says starting off Cash in the house £5. 3 shillings Account of Inventory and appraisement of household furniture and other effects belonging to the deceased made by Alexander McCubbin Joiner in Maxwelltown and John McGowan cabinetmaker in Dumfries £14.7shillings Principal sum contained in obligation dated the twentieth day of June1833 granted by James Primrose Tanner in Dumfries to the deceased £112 Interest at two percent per obligation to the second day of April 1835 One year two hundred and eighty six days £3.19shillings 10 +half pence Amount of account current kept by the deceased with the Dumfries Parish bank on 31 Jan 1835 £63 . 5 shillings signed Robert Primrose, William Primrose John Mac George JP McCom at Dumfries then goes on to say that appeared in court Robert Primrose Currier ,William Primrose tanner at Palmerston and William Primrose writer at Dumfries executors of the deceased Robert Grierson and that the deponents have entered upon the profession and management of the deceased's person estate as executors nominated by him in a trust disposition and deed of settlement executed by him on 28th May 1833 it has a lot of legal speak then goes on to say that said trustees shall pay yearly to my spouse Henrietta Caven the interest or yearly profits of my whole heritable and movable estates before conveyed and then if she dies to be divided between his children and then grandchildren when they reach the age of 21 its signed Robert Grierson Henrietta Caven at Palmerston I found an old map dated 1819 it has on the road from Terregals a large area as Mr John Afflecks property and across the road shows Mr Jas Primrose buildings possibly the Tannery and also next to the large property of Mr Afflecks a building set back from the road named Palmerston says Mr Affleck there are 2 other buildings not named on the edge of the road named Terregles Street http://maps.nls.uk/towns/view/?id=333 trying to work a timeline for the family son Robert was born at Islesteps 1815 daughter Catherine was born at Palmerston 1825 Ship Name FAVOURITE Master: GRIERSON, Joseph Owners: HAIR., George Snr., Islesteps, Wood Merchant 64 shares. History: Built at Kelton 1820, registered at Dumfries 20 Sept. 1836 Regards Lesley in Tasmania

I don't know what on earth, but it looks like amateurs mispelled. This post looks weird enough that I'd be real careful of clicking on the alleged Wikipedia link; it may not in fact be one. Dora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Fiedler" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:08 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] What does Ametures mean? > means lovers of > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur > > regards lesley in Tasmania > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Tim. A few on another list also sent me this link, which, of course, confirms what was on the headstone in Auchencairn cemetery. Perhaps those "ametures" or "amateurs" paid for the headstone out of their own pockets, and this is why I'm wondering if it was a benevolent group, community group like the Kiwanis and Rotary...or maybe they just got together to clean up the beaches when they discovered the bodies. Maisie ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Sewell To: Maisie Egger ; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [genealogy] [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Fw: What does Ametures mean? Maisie, It seems that the local masons were not too particular about their spelling. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=wQ4iAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=amatures+auchencairn&source=bl&ots=wcVW241Zjs&sig=5tgml3rISF10n5ocTtYIK9gwQ3I&hl=en&ei=1wsmTti1K4XRmAXQvciFCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=amatures%20auchencairn&f=false shows other examples of their mis-spelling. HTH, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Maisie Egger To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:50 AM Subject: [genealogy] [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Fw: What does Ametures mean? I found this among the monumental inscriptions at Auchencairn cemetery, Kirkcudbrightshire. My Edinburgh published dictionary does not have a definition for Ametures. A search of Google showed nothing in context in the following. Does anyone know what the modern definition would be for Ametures? Inscription 9 Erected by Ametures of Auchencairn, to the memory of two unfortunate mariners, who (whose) bodies were found on Rascarol Shore, and interred in this place, on the 26th October 1863. Also of John Leachie, whose body was found on the same shore, and interred here on the 23rd June 1864. In oceans deepest darkest bed the secret slumbers with the dead. It caught my attention as three brothers in the one family (on my tree) from that general area died or were lost at sea with the years of 1823, 1832 and 1848. Maisie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good sleuthing (sp?) Tim! Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Sewell <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] [genealogy]  Fw: What does Ametures mean? To: Maisie Egger <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Maisie, > > It seems that the local masons were not too particular about > their spelling. > >  http://books.google.com.au/books?id=wQ4iAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=amatures+auchencairn&source=bl&ots=wcVW241Zjs&sig=5tgml3rISF10n5ocTtYIK9gwQ3I&hl=en&ei=1wsmTti1K4XRmAXQvciFCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=amatures%20auchencairn&f=false > > shows other examples of their mis-spelling. > > HTH, > Tim > >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Maisie Egger >   To: [email protected] >   Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:50 AM >   Subject: [genealogy] [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Fw: What does > Ametures mean? > > > > > >   I found this among the monumental inscriptions at > Auchencairn cemetery, Kirkcudbrightshire.  My Edinburgh > published dictionary does not have a definition for > Ametures.  A search of Google showed nothing in context in > the following.  Does anyone know what the modern definition > would be for Ametures? > >   Inscription 9 >   Erected by Ametures of Auchencairn, to the memory of two > unfortunate mariners, who (whose) bodies were found on Rascarol > Shore, and interred in this place, on the 26th October 1863. > Also of John Leachie, whose body was found on the same shore, > and interred here on the 23rd June 1864. In oceans deepest > darkest bed the secret slumbers with the dead. > >   It caught my attention as three brothers in the one > family (on my tree) from that general area died or were lost at > sea with the years of 1823, 1832 and 1848. > >   Maisie >    >   ------------------------------- >   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message >   > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUMFRIES- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I found this among the monumental inscriptions at Auchencairn cemetery, Kirkcudbrightshire. My Edinburgh published dictionary does not have a definition for Ametures. A search of Google showed nothing in context in the following. Does anyone know what the modern definition would be for Ametures? Inscription 9 Erected by Ametures of Auchencairn, to the memory of two unfortunate mariners, who (whose) bodies were found on Rascarol Shore, and interred in this place, on the 26th October 1863. Also of John Leachie, whose body was found on the same shore, and interred here on the 23rd June 1864. In oceans deepest darkest bed the secret slumbers with the dead. It caught my attention as three brothers in the one family (on my tree) from that general area died or were lost at sea with the years of 1823, 1832 and 1848. Maisie

Has anyone got an idea of what this will means esp the part talking about " Principal sum contained in obligation dated 1833" Robert Griersons will dated 12 October 1835 he died 2 April 1835 the two sons Robert & John were both Tanners in 1841 census Henrietta was noted as widow of farmer in 1861 census she was still living at Palmerston then the document says starting off Cash in the house £5. 3 shillings Account of Inventory and appraisement of household furniture and other effects belonging to the deceased made by Alexander McCubbin Joiner in Maxwelltown and John McGowan cabinetmaker in Dumfries £14.7shillings Principal sum contained in obligation dated the twentieth day of June1833 granted by James Primrose Tanner in Dumfries to the deceased £112 Interest at two percent per obligation to the second day of April 1835 One year two hundred and eighty six days £3.19shillings 10 +half pence Amount of account current kept by the deceased with the Dumfries Parish bank on 31 Jan 1835 £63 . 5 shillings signed Robert Primrose, William Primrose John Mac George JP McCom at Dumfries then goes on to say that appeared in court Robert Primrose Currier ,William Primrose tanner at Palmerston and William Primrose writer at Dumfries executors of the deceased Robert Grierson and that the deponents have entered upon the profession and management of the deceased's person estate as executors nominated by him in a trust disposition and deed of settlement executed by him on 28th May 1833 it has a lot of legal speak then goes on to say that said trustees shall pay yearly to my spouse Henrietta Caven the interest or yearly profits of my whole heritable and movable estates before conveyed and then if she dies to be divided between his children and then grandchildren when they reach the age of 21 its signed Robert Grierson Henrietta Caven at Palmerston I found an old map dated 1819 it has on the road from Terregals a large area as Mr John Afflecks property and across the road shows Mr Jas Primrose buildings possibly the Tannery and also next to the large property of Mr Afflecks a building set back from the road named Palmerston says Mr Affleck there are 2 other buildings not named on the edge of the road named Terregles Street http://maps.nls.uk/towns/view/?id=333 trying to work a timeline for the family son Robert was born at Islesteps 1815 daughter Catherine was born at Palmerston 1825 Ship Name FAVOURITE Master: GRIERSON, Joseph Owners: HAIR., George Snr., Islesteps, Wood Merchant 64 shares. History: Built at Kelton 1820, registered at Dumfries 20 Sept. 1836 Regards Lesley in Tasmania

A birth certificate shows you were born. A death certificate shows you have died. A photo album shows you have lived. ...however....with digital cameras and downloads on computers, fewer and fewer photos are being stored in photo albums. What does this say for future family genealogists? Except for Christmastime when I receive framed photos of the great-grandchildren, I have no photos of them or their families that I can save in an album. Progress? Maisie

There are lots of books available free from Google Books too like :- History of the burgh of Dumfries http://books.google.com/ebooks?id=MD0PAAAAYAAJ Also the National Library for Scotland has some:- Dumfries Post Office Directory 1911-12 PDF http://digital.nls.uk/dc23/8553/85537426.pdf Dumfries Post Office Directory 1911-12 Read Online http://www.archive.org/stream/dumfriesdistrict191112dir#page/n7/mode/2up 6 There are great to read on a kindle Bruce On 9 July 2011 08:01, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Memorials of St Michaels by William McDowall e book > (Irene Macleod) > 2. Old books freely avail on the web for researchers of > genealogy (Lesley Fiedler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:12:06 +0100 > From: Irene Macleod <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Memorials of St Michaels by William > McDowall e book > To: Lesley Fiedler <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > It's also downloadable as a plain text file which you can copy and paste > into Word ...and then it's more easily searchable than using the index. > > Irene > > On 8 July 2011 04:37, Lesley Fiedler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > http://openlibrary.org/books/OL23444709M/Memorials_of_St._Michael's_The_Old_Parish_Churchyard_of_Dumfries > > > > Downloadable .PDF of Memorials of St Michaels by William McDowall > there > > is an index of names near the back of the book with page numbers > > enjoy ! lesley in Tasmania > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 15:37:31 +1000 > From: Lesley Fiedler <[email protected]> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Old books freely avail on the web for > researchers of genealogy > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Sorting through my e books this entry caught my eye as I have Grahams > in my tree > > from SRS > Register of Burials Restalrig 1728-1854 > GRAHAM Mrs Grace Margaret (Gordon) relict of William Graham Esq of > Mossknowe,Dumfriesshire died at Edinburgh 1823 age 68 years interred in the > South East side of the family tomb > > > > ( I always seem to get distracted as I find something to follow up in the > process and I may have posted some of this before ) > > I have seen on eBay UK that a person is selling Genealogy DVDs with those > books as part of the collection .......the books are all freely available > on the internet and are not intended for commercial use in fact I think if > you were to hunt around all the books the seller has for sale on DVD are > freely available > > If you were to google any of the titles you should find the book online > either via Google Digitised Books or American Libraries > > So folks help yourself ! > > > whole book Register of Burials Restalrig 1728-1854 is downloadable from > here as Jocks Lodge was here and lots of soldiers from all over stationed > this is an interesting one > > http://www.electricscotland.com/history/records/scottishrecordso20scotuoft.pdf > > there are more books that can be downloaded here > http://www.electricscotland.com/history/records/index.htm > > more directories are avail free from National Library of Scotland > > http://www.nls.uk/family-history/directories/post-office/ > > Regards Lesley in Tasmania > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 72 > ************************************************ >

Just a word about your deliberations about a Broach child being born out of wedlock by, perhaps, a rape. Before you think about rape then take a look at the illegitimate birth rate for the North of England at that time, especially for Cumberland it is one of the highest. I have researched ancestors around the North West and I am amazed at the number of births, in Parish Records, that were illegitimate around the 1700's & 1800's. It was not as uncommon as we would think in those days. However because the children were not to be a drain on Parish resources the Church tried to ascertain who the father was so he could pay towards the upkeep. In fact in Scotland they interrogated the woman and it was difficult for her not to say who the father was. But again this was to get him to pay towards the upkeep. This is one web site which shows a graph on the incidence of illegitimacy in the Counties of England in 1860/61, but there are others which talk about the high Illegitimate Birth rate in Cumberland. http://www.staffs.ac.uk/schools/humanities_and_soc_sciences/census/illegit.h tm Judy

Carter Broach [email protected] wrote: <<I descend from Abner Broach who was born about 1761 in Chesterfield County in the Virginia colony. Despite considerable effort, I have been unsuccessful in finding Abner’s parents. Abner had 5 Broach contemporaries in Virginia in the 1760s, most from King & Queen County: Benoni, Charles, George, James & Jones Broach. I am unable to establish the relationship among these 6 men.  However DNA results of descendants of Abner & George suggest the 2 are cousins rather than brothers. Family lore indicates (without proof) we are from Dumfriesshire.>> Mid 1700s is a bit early for most gravestones, some survive but very few. But I still looked at the DGFHs MIs databes to get an idea of the Parishes where the BROACH family name occurs. Found only the following two in Lochmaben with the same BROACH spelling, but also BROATCH spelling used on the same stones 1.  In Loving Memory of John BROATCH, who died 14th Jan 1855, age [-----] Also Janet TWEEDIE, his wife, who died 10th Jan 1855, age 76 years Erected by Andrew BROACH, Winnipeg, Canada 2.  In Memory of John BROTCH [sic], Portioner of Hightae, who departed this life 20th May 1810 aged 68 years Also Mary RICHARDSON, his spouse, who departed this life 20th January 1813 ageed 50 years Also Elizabeth and Margaret, the former 6th June 1810 aged 10 years, the latter 18th November 1806 aged 2 years Also John BROACH [sic], Farmer in Castlemains, who departed this life 21st April 1833 aged 44 years And of John BROACH, his son, who died 21st June 1827 aged 1 year Also Mary BROACH, his daughter, who departed this life 9th May 1836 aged 25 years Looking for BROATCH I found a further of 28 gravestones elsewhere, mainly in Dumfriessghire parishes. Didn't expect to find an Abner and I didn't. (that is an American name isn't it -- remember Li'l Abner from somewhere -- an American comic strip I think?) The only George BROATCH is a 20th century one and he is in Ruthwell Parish graveyard. George BROATCH, farmer, Thwaite, who died 20th January 1906 age 84 years Also Mary BELL, his wife, who died at Thwaite 17th March 1906 age 74 years hope that is of interest Sandy in Dumfries

Sorting through my e books this entry caught my eye as I have Grahams in my tree from SRS Register of Burials Restalrig 1728-1854 GRAHAM Mrs Grace Margaret (Gordon) relict of William Graham Esq of Mossknowe,Dumfriesshire died at Edinburgh 1823 age 68 years interred in the South East side of the family tomb ( I always seem to get distracted as I find something to follow up in the process and I may have posted some of this before ) I have seen on eBay UK that a person is selling Genealogy DVDs with those books as part of the collection .......the books are all freely available on the internet and are not intended for commercial use in fact I think if you were to hunt around all the books the seller has for sale on DVD are freely available If you were to google any of the titles you should find the book online either via Google Digitised Books or American Libraries So folks help yourself ! whole book Register of Burials Restalrig 1728-1854 is downloadable from here as Jocks Lodge was here and lots of soldiers from all over stationed this is an interesting one http://www.electricscotland.com/history/records/scottishrecordso20scotuoft.pdf there are more books that can be downloaded here http://www.electricscotland.com/history/records/index.htm more directories are avail free from National Library of Scotland http://www.nls.uk/family-history/directories/post-office/ Regards Lesley in Tasmania

Carter, There were definitely Broaches living in Dumfriesshire at that time. In the birth records of Tinwald parish I find Jean Dobie and William Broach of Parkbrow who had daughters in 1811 and 1813. Charlie Dobie. At 03:55 AM 7/9/2011, Broach, Vance C, JR wrote: >I just joined this Listserve to try to locate my Broach ancestors. > > > >I descend from Abner Broach who was born about 1761 in Chesterfield >County in the Virginia colony. Despite considerable effort, I have >been unsuccessful in finding Abner's parents. Abner had 5 Broach >contemporaries in Virginia in the 1760s, most from King & Queen >County: Benoni, Charles, George, James & Jones Broach. I am unable >to establish the relationship among these 6 men. However DNA >results of descendants of Abner & George suggest the 2 are cousins >rather than brothers. Family lore indicates (without proof) we are >from Dumfriesshire. > > > >DNA results also indicate one of George Broach's ancestors has the >surname Lancaster. This lineage can be traced to a John Lancaster >born about 1763 in Cumberland, England - probably buried 10 Mar 1822 >(according to the National Burial Index). John was christened 2 Jun >1763 (son of Thomas). He married Mary Heavyside (or Heaviside) 15 >Dec 1785 in Cumwhitton parish. Mary was from Washington County >Durham. Mary (father: John Heaviside) appears to have been buried in >Lorton as 'wife of John' , aged 51, on 16.05.1814. The residence >then is given as Gillbrow. A John Lancaster of Lorton married a year >later to a Mary Denwood. > > > >It is possible that a Lancaster female had a child by a Broach male >out of wedlock, by rape, etc. However, I am unable to locate either >that Lancaster female or that male Broach. > > > >If you can assist me I would appreciate any information or leads. > > > >Carter Broach > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3751 - Release Date: 07/08/11 Charles Dobie, [email protected]

I just joined this Listserve to try to locate my Broach ancestors. I descend from Abner Broach who was born about 1761 in Chesterfield County in the Virginia colony. Despite considerable effort, I have been unsuccessful in finding Abner’s parents. Abner had 5 Broach contemporaries in Virginia in the 1760s, most from King & Queen County: Benoni, Charles, George, James & Jones Broach. I am unable to establish the relationship among these 6 men. However DNA results of descendants of Abner & George suggest the 2 are cousins rather than brothers. Family lore indicates (without proof) we are from Dumfriesshire. DNA results also indicate one of George Broach’s ancestors has the surname Lancaster. This lineage can be traced to a John Lancaster born about 1763 in Cumberland, England - probably buried 10 Mar 1822 (according to the National Burial Index). John was christened 2 Jun 1763 (son of Thomas). He married Mary Heavyside (or Heaviside) 15 Dec 1785 in Cumwhitton parish. Mary was from Washington County Durham. Mary (father: John Heaviside) appears to have been buried in Lorton as 'wife of John' , aged 51, on 16.05.1814. The residence then is given as Gillbrow. A John Lancaster of Lorton married a year later to a Mary Denwood. It is possible that a Lancaster female had a child by a Broach male out of wedlock, by rape, etc. However, I am unable to locate either that Lancaster female or that male Broach. If you can assist me I would appreciate any information or leads. Carter Broach

http://openlibrary.org/books/OL23444709M/Memorials_of_St._Michael's_The_Old_Parish_Churchyard_of_Dumfries Downloadable .PDF of Memorials of St Michaels by William McDowall there is an index of names near the back of the book with page numbers enjoy ! lesley in Tasmania

It's also downloadable as a plain text file which you can copy and paste into Word ...and then it's more easily searchable than using the index. Irene On 8 July 2011 04:37, Lesley Fiedler <[email protected]> wrote: > > http://openlibrary.org/books/OL23444709M/Memorials_of_St._Michael's_The_Old_Parish_Churchyard_of_Dumfries > > Downloadable .PDF of Memorials of St Michaels by William McDowall there > is an index of names near the back of the book with page numbers > enjoy ! lesley in Tasmania > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >