It s not often I disagree with Ian, but the Register of Deeds does have published annual indexes from 1661 to around 1694, then some more on microfiche for certain years after that. I have the available set in my own research library. It is certainly true that the more modern period lacks indexes. The annual indexes are themselves very helpful, as most of the entries mention relationship to a spouse or father, and usually state the family place of residence ( "of Xxxx" or "in Yyyy"). Gordon Johnson On 01/10/2011 01:28, Ian wrote: > It was quite common for people to set up a Trust Deed, commonly known as a > "Trust Disposition and Settlement". This was a useful method of getting > round the law which, until 1868, prevented people from bequeathing land. > The practice carried on for many years after. Although some of these deeds > were recorded with testaments, many were not. They can usually be found in > the Register of Deeds, another series of court records. These have never > been indexed. They are a wonderful source of information, but can take a > lot of time to find what you are looking for.

Go to the Comments section of the October 1 issue of the (Glasgow) Herald to read Ian Bell's column about the connection of names, such as Bell and Allan, particularly in the Borders, and then his comments about how the demise of the railroads has disconnected so many communities in Scotland. http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/ian-bell/only-connect-our-country-is-nothing-without-railways-1.1126980

Hi Sheila That is a possibility but if he owned any property in Scotland there would still be a Scottish record. There is a series known as 'Probate Resealed', although I think these are included in the on-line testaments. This is the only place that the word 'Probate' is used in Scotland. Scottish wills are confirmed, not probated. Best wishes Ian Researching Scottish Family History; please look at our website> www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sheila Hale Sent: 01 October 2011 01:28 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Missing will It is also possible that it could have been probated in England. Sheila I Hale On 9/30/2011 3:42 PM, Vanessa Dixon wrote: > Thank you Ian, this also answers why I can't find a will for my 4xgreat grandfather. I think I will have to look at the local papers for lists of bankrupts at the time of Carlyle's letter, I didn't find him in the national newspapers of the time, hopefully the farmer will be named. As Carlyle says "Such a scoundrel ought to be hanged, the world should see his carcase swinging, have assurance that such a hound is no longer ranked among its population". > > Vanessa > > All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone! > View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/ > > > ________________________________ > From: Imchad Ancestry<[email protected]> > To: 'Vanessa Dixon'<[email protected]>; > [email protected] > Sent: Friday, 30 September 2011, 22:26 > Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Missing will > > Hi Vanessa > > It was quite common for people to set up a Trust Deed, commonly known > as a "Trust Disposition and Settlement". This was a useful method of > getting round the law which, until 1868, prevented people from bequeathing land. > The practice carried on for many years after. Although some of these > deeds were recorded with testaments, many were not. They can usually > be found in the Register of Deeds, another series of court records. > These have never been indexed. They are a wonderful source of > information, but can take a lot of time to find what you are looking for. > > Best wishes > > Ian A McClumpha > > Researching Scottish Family History; please look at our website> > www.imchad.freeola.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vanessa > Dixon > Sent: 30 September 2011 12:35 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Missing will > > Is there any reason for a will to be missing on ScotlandsPeople. A > member of my tree was the aunt of the writer Thomas Carlyle's wife, > Jane Welsh. In a letter from Thomas Carlyle to his wife, he gives the > the news that her aunt, Mrs George Welsh, has lost all her money, the > executor and trustee of her uncle's will (a local farmer) had drawn > money for his own use from the trust and was now bankrupt, so all her > aunts money had gone. George Welsh died at Kirkbean in 1835 and no > will is listed for him, I would have liked to have known who this local farmer was. > > Vanessa > > All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea > thirst scone! > View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List I have just joined the list and feel very welcome, I am on several list’s , but I find this list very welcoming. Bob

Thank you Ian, this also answers why I can't find a will for my 4xgreat grandfather. I think I will have to look at the local papers for lists of bankrupts at the time of Carlyle's letter, I didn't find him in the national newspapers of the time, hopefully the farmer will be named. As Carlyle says "Such a scoundrel ought to be hanged, the world should see his carcase swinging, have assurance that such a hound is no longer ranked among its population".   Vanessa  All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone! View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/ ________________________________ From: Imchad Ancestry <[email protected]> To: 'Vanessa Dixon' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Friday, 30 September 2011, 22:26 Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Missing will Hi Vanessa It was quite common for people to set up a Trust Deed, commonly known as a "Trust Disposition and Settlement".  This was a useful method of getting round the law which, until 1868, prevented people from bequeathing land. The practice carried on for many years after.  Although some of these deeds were recorded with testaments, many were not.  They can usually be found in the Register of Deeds, another series  of  court  records.  These have never been indexed.  They are a wonderful source of information, but can take a lot of time to find  what you are looking for. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Researching Scottish Family History; please look at our website> www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vanessa Dixon Sent: 30 September 2011 12:35 To: [email protected] Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Missing will Is there any reason for a will to be missing on ScotlandsPeople. A member of my tree was the aunt of the writer Thomas Carlyle's wife, Jane Welsh. In a letter from Thomas Carlyle to his wife, he gives the the news that her aunt, Mrs George Welsh, has lost all her money, the executor and trustee of her uncle's will (a local farmer) had drawn money for his own use from the trust and was now bankrupt, so all her aunts money had gone. George Welsh died at Kirkbean in 1835 and no will is listed for him, I would have liked to have known who this local farmer was. Vanessa  All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone! View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Vanessa It was quite common for people to set up a Trust Deed, commonly known as a "Trust Disposition and Settlement". This was a useful method of getting round the law which, until 1868, prevented people from bequeathing land. The practice carried on for many years after. Although some of these deeds were recorded with testaments, many were not. They can usually be found in the Register of Deeds, another series of court records. These have never been indexed. They are a wonderful source of information, but can take a lot of time to find what you are looking for. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Researching Scottish Family History; please look at our website> www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vanessa Dixon Sent: 30 September 2011 12:35 To: [email protected] Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Missing will Is there any reason for a will to be missing on ScotlandsPeople. A member of my tree was the aunt of the writer Thomas Carlyle's wife, Jane Welsh. In a letter from Thomas Carlyle to his wife, he gives the the news that her aunt, Mrs George Welsh, has lost all her money, the executor and trustee of her uncle's will (a local farmer) had drawn money for his own use from the trust and was now bankrupt, so all her aunts money had gone. George Welsh died at Kirkbean in 1835 and no will is listed for him, I would have liked to have known who this local farmer was.   Vanessa  All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone! View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List I am seeking a Hugh Murray born about 1821 in Tongueland, Kirkcudbright. This is the place of birth on the 1881 census. Any help will be appreciated. Bob

It is also possible that it could have been probated in England. Sheila I Hale On 9/30/2011 3:42 PM, Vanessa Dixon wrote: > Thank you Ian, this also answers why I can't find a will for my 4xgreat grandfather. I think I will have to look at the local papers for lists of bankrupts at the time of Carlyle's letter, I didn't find him in the national newspapers of the time, hopefully the farmer will be named. As Carlyle says "Such a scoundrel ought to be hanged, the world should see his carcase swinging, have assurance that such a hound is no longer ranked among its population". > > Vanessa > > All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone! > View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/ > > > ________________________________ > From: Imchad Ancestry<[email protected]> > To: 'Vanessa Dixon'<[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, 30 September 2011, 22:26 > Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Missing will > > Hi Vanessa > > It was quite common for people to set up a Trust Deed, commonly known as a > "Trust Disposition and Settlement". This was a useful method of getting > round the law which, until 1868, prevented people from bequeathing land. > The practice carried on for many years after. Although some of these deeds > were recorded with testaments, many were not. They can usually be found in > the Register of Deeds, another series of court records. These have never > been indexed. They are a wonderful source of information, but can take a > lot of time to find what you are looking for. > > Best wishes > > Ian A McClumpha > > Researching Scottish Family History; please look at our website> > www.imchad.freeola.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vanessa Dixon > Sent: 30 September 2011 12:35 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Missing will > > Is there any reason for a will to be missing on ScotlandsPeople. A member of > my tree was the aunt of the writer Thomas Carlyle's wife, Jane Welsh. In a > letter from Thomas Carlyle to his wife, he gives the the news that her aunt, > Mrs George Welsh, has lost all her money, the executor and trustee of her > uncle's will (a local farmer) had drawn money for his own use from the trust > and was now bankrupt, so all her aunts money had gone. George Welsh died at > Kirkbean in 1835 and no will is listed for him, I would have liked to have > known who this local farmer was. > > Vanessa > > All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst > scone! > View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Is there any reason for a will to be missing on ScotlandsPeople. A member of my tree was the aunt of the writer Thomas Carlyle's wife, Jane Welsh. In a letter from Thomas Carlyle to his wife, he gives the the news that her aunt, Mrs George Welsh, has lost all her money, the executor and trustee of her uncle's will (a local farmer) had drawn money for his own use from the trust and was now bankrupt, so all her aunts money had gone. George Welsh died at Kirkbean in 1835 and no will is listed for him, I would have liked to have known who this local farmer was.   Vanessa  All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone! View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/

Hi Jim DGFHS sell a transcription of St Mary's MIs. The original burial register is held in the Ewart library, that is useful in cases where there is no gravestone. http://www.dgfhs.org.uk/publications.asp Best wishes Ian Researching Scottish Family History; please look at our website> www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Patterson Sent: 29 September 2011 18:22 To: Dumfries-Galloway rootsweb list Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] St Marys Church, Dumfries MIs? Hello one and all, Fall is almost upon us and I hear the UK is presently basking in an Indian Summer, you lucky guys:-) Mind you it's not too bad here in Sunny Victoria, British Columbia either I must admit:-)lol I have a cousin who has just located the old grave site(Lair) of my 4x Great Grandparents who I knew about but did not have the actual Gravesite photographed until earlier today. My Question to the experts and locals alike is can SKS please tell me if Monumental Inscriptions still exist anywhere I can access them for St Marys Church Cemetery in Dumfries please? I am seeking details from the now missing headstone of my Edward Paterson D: 1852 and Anne Kirk D: 1847. Any and all help greatly appreciated Cheers Jim Patterson-Brewin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hiya All, many thanks to the many wonderful folk who helped out with my question about St Marys and the MIs. Cheers All, Jim and Ann -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Patterson Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:22 AM To: Dumfries-Galloway rootsweb list Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] St Marys Church, Dumfries MIs? Hello one and all, Fall is almost upon us and I hear the UK is presently basking in an Indian Summer, you lucky guys:-) Mind you it's not too bad here in Sunny Victoria, British Columbia either I must admit:-)lol I have a cousin who has just located the old grave site(Lair) of my 4x Great Grandparents who I knew about but did not have the actual Gravesite photographed until earlier today. My Question to the experts and locals alike is can SKS please tell me if Monumental Inscriptions still exist anywhere I can access them for St Marys Church Cemetery in Dumfries please? I am seeking details from the now missing headstone of my Edward Paterson D: 1852 and Anne Kirk D: 1847. Any and all help greatly appreciated Cheers Jim Patterson-Brewin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.914 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3925 - Release Date: 09/28/11 23:34:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.914 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3929 - Release Date: 09/29/11 23:34:00

Hi: By looking in the film catalogue on the old www.familysearch.org site, typing in Dumfries and selecting Dumfries, Dumfries, then select Scotland, Dumfries, Dumfries - Cemeteries<http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=359102&subject_disp=Scotland%2C+Dumfries%2C+Dumfries+%2D+Cemeteries>, then click on Record of interments<http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=93834&disp=Record+of+interments> and on the resulting page, click on Film Notes at the top. This is the result. Perhaps your local LDS family history centre can bring it in. Note that this is a British film number: Title *Record of interments* Notes *Microfilm of original records at the Ewart Public Library, Dumfries. Record of interments in St. Mary's churchyard, Dumfries, 1839-1864.* Subjects *Scotland, Dumfries, Dumfries - Cemeteries* Format *Manuscript (On Film)* Language *English* Publication *Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1976* Physical *on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm.* Film Notes Note - Location [Film] *Record of interments - FHL BRITISH Film [ 919013 Item 2 ]* Marg in Sunny and warm Alberta On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jim Patterson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello one and all, > > > > Fall is almost upon us and I hear the UK is presently basking in an Indian > Summer, you lucky guys:-) Mind you it's not too bad here in Sunny Victoria, > British Columbia either I must admit:-)lol > > > > I have a cousin who has just located the old grave site(Lair) of my 4x > Great > Grandparents who I knew about but did not have the actual Gravesite > photographed until earlier today. My Question to the experts and locals > alike is can SKS please tell me if Monumental Inscriptions still exist > anywhere I can access them for St Marys Church Cemetery in Dumfries > please? > I am seeking details from the now missing headstone of my Edward Paterson > D: > 1852 and Anne Kirk D: 1847. > > > > Any and all help greatly appreciated > > > > Cheers Jim Patterson-Brewin > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello one and all, Fall is almost upon us and I hear the UK is presently basking in an Indian Summer, you lucky guys:-) Mind you it's not too bad here in Sunny Victoria, British Columbia either I must admit:-)lol I have a cousin who has just located the old grave site(Lair) of my 4x Great Grandparents who I knew about but did not have the actual Gravesite photographed until earlier today. My Question to the experts and locals alike is can SKS please tell me if Monumental Inscriptions still exist anywhere I can access them for St Marys Church Cemetery in Dumfries please? I am seeking details from the now missing headstone of my Edward Paterson D: 1852 and Anne Kirk D: 1847. Any and all help greatly appreciated Cheers Jim Patterson-Brewin

Dora asked me about photos of Kippford, here are some I took last year   http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/sets/72157627737420060/   They can be downloaded from the website.   Vanessa  All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone! View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/

Thank you Sandy, he's buried in a beautiful spot.. Vanessa  All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone! View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/ From: Sandy PITTENDREIGH <[email protected]> To: Vanessa Dixon <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 23 September 2011, 15:55 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Rockcliffe video Hi Vanessa   You wrote: I took a walk to Castlehill Point and just before the field full of cattle   I noticed a grave with a flat stone, the light wasn't good enough   to be able to read the faded words, does anyone know anything about it. (see video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7cmr49SUm8) Google Solway Smuggler Joseph Nelson and you will find a lot of detail. The basics of the story is: Joseph was a member of the crew of The Ann, lost at sea with all hands in the late 1700s. The inscription reads: In memory of Joseph Nelson who was lost on his passage from Whitehaven 2nd Jan 1791   and was buried here July 20 following. Aged 59 years. This stone is erected by his widow Ann Nelson in Whitehaven   Sandy   

Here's a video of Kippford, I was lucky that the rainstorm in the distance moved in the opposite direction.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkJveuE_Q0M   I'm pleased that everyone is enjoying my efforts, I've enjoyed doing them, I know there are many of you who cannot visit the land of your ancestors, so hopefully my films will give you the feel of the area. I'll be in the area again next month so I'll try and do some more, weather permitting.   Vanessa  All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone! View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/

Hello Vanessa, Thank you so very much for sharing your video.... especially with people on the other side of the world. Janet

Hi Vanessa   You wrote: I took a walk to Castlehill Point and just before the field full of cattle I noticed a grave with a flat stone, the light wasn't good enough to be able to read the faded words, does anyone know anything about it. (see video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7cmr49SUm8)   Google Solway Smuggler Joseph Nelson and you will find a lot of detail. The basics of the story is: Joseph was a member of the crew of The Ann, lost at sea with all hands in the late 1700s.   The inscription reads: In memory of Joseph Nelson who was lost on his passage from Whitehaven 2nd Jan 1791 and was buried here July 20 following. Aged 59 years. This stone is erected by his widow Ann Nelson in Whitehaven   Sandy

It's not often that you find a quiet period in Dalbeattie, here's a video I did during a lull in the crowds and traffic   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDJMQTv1Qkg   Vanessa  All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone! View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/

Here is a video I did of Rockcliffe, it was recorded in HD to view it this way just change the number in the bottom right corner.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7cmr49SUm8   I took a walk to Castlehill Point and just before the field full of cattle (see video) I noticed a grave with a flat stone, the light wasn't good enough to be able to read the faded words, does anyone know anything about it.   Vanessa  All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone! View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/