Ian & Margo McClumpha are spending Christmas in New Zealand and will be unsubscribing from the list until mid January. We would like to wish everyone a happy Christmas and a good new year. >From a wild and wintry Dumfries. Ian & Margo Researching Scottish Family History; please look at our website> www.imchad.freeola.com

Hi There are 14 RIDDICK and 47 RODDICK MIs listed in the DGFHS database. Non-members can have a one courtesy search if they e-mail [email protected] The search results are sent as an email attachment in RTF readble on any word processor. Members can request any number of searches, limited to five names at a time.   Sandy ________________________________ From: Desmond McDowell <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011, 21:03 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] RIDDICK Connection 2011-1205 Hello Bill None of these Riddick's ring any bells, mine you one never knows what may show up down line or of on a side bar. Good luck on your search. Desmond ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:54:55 -0500 From: Bill Martin <[email protected]> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] RIDDICK Connection 2011-1205 To: "DUMFRIES & GALLOWAY, E-mail" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Desmond: 1) According to the Kirkpatrick-Durham, KKD marriage certificate of Robert Jr. RIDDICK and Mary Jane BURGESS [1911-SEP-22] Robert's parents were Robert Sr. RIDDICK (Master Joiner) and Helen SHENNAN, both living. Witnesses were William RIDDICK and Elizabeth BURGESS. Robert Jr.'s usual residence was: 108 Bowman St., Govanhills, Glasgow. 2) Robert Sr. RIDDICK and Helen SHENNAN were married [1878-DEC-25] at Kirkpatrick-Durham.  Robert Sr.'s year of birth was about 1850 and his parents were William RIDDICK and Janet HALLIDAY.  Helen's year of birth was about 1850 and her parents were William McDILL and Elizabeth SHENNAN. Both people had Kirkpatrick-Durham as their usual residence. Their witnesses were William RIDDICK and Maggie SHENNAN. 3) William RIDDICK and Janet HALLIDAY were married [1849-NOV-10] in Urr, KKD. Bill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Bill None of these Riddick's ring any bells, mine you one never knows what may show up down line or of on a side bar. Good luck on your search. Desmond ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:54:55 -0500 From: Bill Martin <[email protected]> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] RIDDICK Connection 2011-1205 To: "DUMFRIES & GALLOWAY, E-mail" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Desmond: 1) According to the Kirkpatrick-Durham, KKD marriage certificate of Robert Jr. RIDDICK and Mary Jane BURGESS [1911-SEP-22] Robert's parents were Robert Sr. RIDDICK (Master Joiner) and Helen SHENNAN, both living. Witnesses were William RIDDICK and Elizabeth BURGESS. Robert Jr.'s usual residence was: 108 Bowman St., Govanhills, Glasgow. 2) Robert Sr. RIDDICK and Helen SHENNAN were married [1878-DEC-25] at Kirkpatrick-Durham. Robert Sr.'s year of birth was about 1850 and his parents were William RIDDICK and Janet HALLIDAY. Helen's year of birth was about 1850 and her parents were William McDILL and Elizabeth SHENNAN. Both people had Kirkpatrick-Durham as their usual residence. Their witnesses were William RIDDICK and Maggie SHENNAN. 3) William RIDDICK and Janet HALLIDAY were married [1849-NOV-10] in Urr, KKD. Bill

Hello As co-researcher and publisher of the booklets on Wauchope, Langholm (Old) and Staplegordon Churchyards; I can only endorse what Irene and Sandy have written below. However, researchers may wish to look up BMD notices from the "Eskdale and Liddesdale Advertiser". The newspaper started publication in 1848, so there are a few years available pre-compulsory registration. Many announcements contain more information than is available on ScotlandsPeople site. So far the paper has been indexed to 1881 and complete years are being added as transcribers finish a volume. http://www.langholmarchive.org.uk/lookup.php There's also an extensive photo archive (http://www.langholmpicturearchive.com/index.php) and a newly added old map look-up search facility for Langholm and the surrounding area. http://www.langholmarchive.com/maps/firstmap.php A glance through www.langholmarchive.com may unfold that piece of Eskdale information you've been looking for ages. Bruce > Hello all my fellow amateur genealogists and especially a warm welcome to > Bob Boss. > > Now for the reason I am writing.? My cousin has just send me the listings > of the memorials for the Wauchope, Staplegordon and Old Langholm cemetaries > which of course are all around Langholm.? It would be selfish for me to > keep them all to myself so I decided that I would do lookups for other > people as well. > > So just write me either here at the list or at my email address.? Be sure > to include the name of the spouse as well so I can make sure I have the > right persons. > > Take care. > Judi > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Judi McRae, a Proud Canadian living in the Glorious Pacific Northwest > (Tacoma,WA, USA) Please NOTE*** I am NOT researching the McRae name. >~~~~~~ Hi If your cousin has gone round those graveyards and made notes of all the inscriptions then that's fine, you're being generous in sharing. If, however, what she has sent you is the graveyard transcriptions as published Memorial Inscriptions of Langholm Old,Staplegordon and Wauchope Church Yards (Paperback) By (author) Brenda I. Morrison, By (author) Robin B. McCartney then perhaps you might like to re-consider. Apart from the issue of copyright, do you not think that giving the information away for free might discourage the transcribers from doing any more graveyards? The cost of a book is a lot less than a trans-Atlantic airline ticket......and without the local transcribers that will be your only option. Irene ------------------------------ ? Hi, I agree with Irene, its fine?being generous with your own work.? If it is the work of someone else then it can't be called generosity, can it? Sandy

Don't know if it is of any help but: ROBERT RIDDICK is listed as a member of the Kirkpatrick-Durham Parish Council in 1902. Bill Stark Researching: STARK, CLEMENT, MURDOCH in D&G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Martin" <[email protected]> To: "DUMFRIES & GALLOWAY, E-mail" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:54 AM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] RIDDICK Connection 2011-1205 > > > Hi Desmond: > > 1) According to the Kirkpatrick-Durham, KKD marriage certificate of Robert > Jr. RIDDICK and Mary Jane BURGESS [1911-SEP-22] Robert's parents were > Robert Sr. RIDDICK (Master Joiner) and Helen SHENNAN, both living. > > Witnesses were William RIDDICK and Elizabeth BURGESS. > > Robert Jr.'s usual residence was: 108 Bowman St., Govanhills, Glasgow. > > 2) Robert Sr. RIDDICK and Helen SHENNAN were married [1878-DEC-25] at > Kirkpatrick-Durham. Robert Sr.'s year of birth was about 1850 and his > parents were > William RIDDICK and Janet HALLIDAY. Helen's year of birth was about 1850 > and her parents were William McDILL and Elizabeth SHENNAN. > > Both people had Kirkpatrick-Durham as their usual residence. Their > witnesses were William RIDDICK and Maggie SHENNAN. > > 3) William RIDDICK and Janet HALLIDAY were married [1849-NOV-10] in Urr, > KKD. > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4058 - Release Date: 12/05/11 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4060 - Release Date: 12/06/11

Hi Its late and my brain is going to sleep.  I'm in danger of misleading you here. Only Part I, the first of the nine volumes will be on the WDYTYA Mag disc. That will be just a mere 4,500 of the 30,000+ burial records for Dumfries cover by this series.   Sandy ________________________________ From: Judy Jeffrey <[email protected]> To: 'Sandy Pittendreigh' <[email protected]>; 'Iain Hutchison' <[email protected]>; 'mary amelia paladin' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 22:46 Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials That's interesting - when does the magazine come out and is it sold in ordinary high street newsagents Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sandy Pittendreigh Sent: 05 December 2011 22:36 To: Iain Hutchison; mary amelia paladin; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Hi, The following is an extract from the burial records recorded for Dumfries parish in the booklet Dumfries OPR Part I -- 1617 to 1679 published by DGFHS (www.dgfhs.org.uk) There are nine booklets in this series covering the period from 1617 to 1854. The number of recorded burials in this period total over thirty-thousand. (Incidentally this whole volume will be offered free on the cover disc issued by the BBC WDYTYA Programme magazine.)   Note: extraniel means that peson was't even a meber of the parish but beloned to some other, probably unknow parish.   Bell William, "extraniel pauper" July, 1623 Byers Maly, extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Carruthers Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Cuik Janet, "pauper" Aug 13, 1623 Diksone Robert, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Elder John,e, "pauper" Nov 28, 1640 Fergusone Roger, son of John, "pauper" June 23, 1636 Gairdein Janet, "pauper" Sept  5, 1623 Gibsone Thomas, son of Walter Gibsone, "pauper" June 29, 1636 Gluver James, "pauper" Aug  2, 1623 Halyday Geils?, "extraniel pauper" July 21, 1623 Johstone John, "extraniel pauper" Jul, 11, 1623 Jonstone John, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Litle James, son of Johne DCS, "pauper" June 28, 1636 Mairtein Jonat, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Maxwell John, son of Alexr. (pauper?) Mar 25, 1523 Neilsone Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 15, 1623 Pott James, "extralniel pauper" July 10, 1623 Rae James, "extraniel pauper" July 31, 1623 Russell    Robert, son of Robert Russel, "pauper" July 10, 1636 Slowane William, son of Johne Slowane, "pauper" July 12, 1636 Sturgeon Andrew, "pauper" Aug 15, 1623 Tear William, "pauper" Aug  8, 1623 Teir Agnes, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone Bessie, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone William, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623   Hope this is of interest.   Sandy ________________________________ From: Iain Hutchison <[email protected]> To: mary amelia paladin <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 21:38 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Paupers were generally buried in an area set aside for this purpose in burial grounds and, since they died peniless, their graves were unmarked. To be paupers, the Parochial Board who gave them basic maintenance, and ultimately a pauper burial, would have been expected to exhaust all attempts to trace relatives to pressure them into giving support before the Board itself would put them on the poor roll. So that generally meant that there wa sno one to step forward to buy a burial plut and perhaps eventually put a stone on it. Before 1845, the poor law was administered by the Church of Scotland at parish level. After the Poor Law (Scotland) Act of 1845, by which time the religious denominational mix of Scotland was become more diverse, poor law provision was effectively a secular function funded by rates rather than Church of Scotland income from collections, hire of mort cloths, etc. Hope this helps. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "mary amelia paladin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:27 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials > > I have a question or two regarding the burials of those who had very > little > money and, how/where they were buried-generally... > > Must they have been affiliated w/a church or be attendees to be buried in > the parish cemetaries? > Where there cemetaries for the poor; were they marked with names? > > Many of my ancestors were agriculture laborers working on farms for > others; > they were, in most part, poor people. Before I begin trying to locate > their > resting places I was wondering if there would even be marked graves, > pauper > cemetaries etc... > > Thanks for your time! > > Mary A Paladin > Pennsylvania, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4058 - Release Date: 12/05/11

Hi Judy, I believe the next WDYTYA Mag issue will be February but these mags are often on the shelves before the publication date. W.H. Smith certainly stock it on the their mag racks, so I'd expect there are many more UK outlets. Cheers, Sandy ________________________________ From: Judy Jeffrey <[email protected]> To: 'Sandy Pittendreigh' <[email protected]>; 'Iain Hutchison' <[email protected]>; 'mary amelia paladin' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 22:46 Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials That's interesting - when does the magazine come out and is it sold in ordinary high street newsagents Judy

That's interesting - when does the magazine come out and is it sold in ordinary high street newsagents Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sandy Pittendreigh Sent: 05 December 2011 22:36 To: Iain Hutchison; mary amelia paladin; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Hi, The following is an extract from the burial records recorded for Dumfries parish in the booklet Dumfries OPR Part I -- 1617 to 1679 published by DGFHS (www.dgfhs.org.uk) There are nine booklets in this series covering the period from 1617 to 1854. The number of recorded burials in this period total over thirty-thousand. (Incidentally this whole volume will be offered free on the cover disc issued by the BBC WDYTYA Programme magazine.)   Note: extraniel means that peson was't even a meber of the parish but beloned to some other, probably unknow parish.   Bell William, "extraniel pauper" July, 1623 Byers Maly, extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Carruthers Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Cuik Janet, "pauper" Aug 13, 1623 Diksone Robert, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Elder John,e, "pauper" Nov 28, 1640 Fergusone Roger, son of John, "pauper" June 23, 1636 Gairdein Janet, "pauper" Sept  5, 1623 Gibsone Thomas, son of Walter Gibsone, "pauper" June 29, 1636 Gluver James, "pauper" Aug  2, 1623 Halyday Geils?, "extraniel pauper" July 21, 1623 Johstone John, "extraniel pauper" Jul, 11, 1623 Jonstone John, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Litle James, son of Johne DCS, "pauper" June 28, 1636 Mairtein Jonat, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Maxwell John, son of Alexr. (pauper?) Mar 25, 1523 Neilsone Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 15, 1623 Pott James, "extralniel pauper" July 10, 1623 Rae James, "extraniel pauper" July 31, 1623 Russell    Robert, son of Robert Russel, "pauper" July 10, 1636 Slowane William, son of Johne Slowane, "pauper" July 12, 1636 Sturgeon Andrew, "pauper" Aug 15, 1623 Tear William, "pauper" Aug  8, 1623 Teir Agnes, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone Bessie, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone William, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623   Hope this is of interest.   Sandy ________________________________ From: Iain Hutchison <[email protected]> To: mary amelia paladin <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 21:38 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Paupers were generally buried in an area set aside for this purpose in burial grounds and, since they died peniless, their graves were unmarked. To be paupers, the Parochial Board who gave them basic maintenance, and ultimately a pauper burial, would have been expected to exhaust all attempts to trace relatives to pressure them into giving support before the Board itself would put them on the poor roll. So that generally meant that there wa sno one to step forward to buy a burial plut and perhaps eventually put a stone on it. Before 1845, the poor law was administered by the Church of Scotland at parish level. After the Poor Law (Scotland) Act of 1845, by which time the religious denominational mix of Scotland was become more diverse, poor law provision was effectively a secular function funded by rates rather than Church of Scotland income from collections, hire of mort cloths, etc. Hope this helps. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "mary amelia paladin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:27 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials > > I have a question or two regarding the burials of those who had very > little > money and, how/where they were buried-generally... > > Must they have been affiliated w/a church or be attendees to be buried in > the parish cemetaries? > Where there cemetaries for the poor; were they marked with names? > > Many of my ancestors were agriculture laborers working on farms for > others; > they were, in most part, poor people. Before I begin trying to locate > their > resting places I was wondering if there would even be marked graves, > pauper > cemetaries etc... > > Thanks for your time! > > Mary A Paladin > Pennsylvania, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4058 - Release Date: 12/05/11

OOPs -- some sticky keys on my keyboard Note: extraniel means that person was'nt even a member of the parish but belonged to some other, probably unknown parish.

Hi, The following is an extract from the burial records recorded for Dumfries parish in the booklet Dumfries OPR Part I -- 1617 to 1679 published by DGFHS (www.dgfhs.org.uk) There are nine booklets in this series covering the period from 1617 to 1854. The number of recorded burials in this period total over thirty-thousand. (Incidentally this whole volume will be offered free on the cover disc issued by the BBC WDYTYA Programme magazine.)   Note: extraniel means that peson was't even a meber of the parish but beloned to some other, probably unknow parish.   Bell William, "extraniel pauper" July, 1623 Byers Maly, extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Carruthers Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Cuik Janet, "pauper" Aug 13, 1623 Diksone Robert, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Elder John,e, "pauper" Nov 28, 1640 Fergusone Roger, son of John, "pauper" June 23, 1636 Gairdein Janet, "pauper" Sept  5, 1623 Gibsone Thomas, son of Walter Gibsone, "pauper" June 29, 1636 Gluver James, "pauper" Aug  2, 1623 Halyday Geils?, "extraniel pauper" July 21, 1623 Johstone John, "extraniel pauper" Jul, 11, 1623 Jonstone John, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Litle James, son of Johne DCS, "pauper" June 28, 1636 Mairtein Jonat, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Maxwell John, son of Alexr. (pauper?) Mar 25, 1523 Neilsone Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 15, 1623 Pott James, "extralniel pauper" July 10, 1623 Rae James, "extraniel pauper" July 31, 1623 Russell    Robert, son of Robert Russel, "pauper" July 10, 1636 Slowane William, son of Johne Slowane, "pauper" July 12, 1636 Sturgeon Andrew, "pauper" Aug 15, 1623 Tear William, "pauper" Aug  8, 1623 Teir Agnes, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone Bessie, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone William, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623   Hope this is of interest.   Sandy ________________________________ From: Iain Hutchison <[email protected]> To: mary amelia paladin <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 21:38 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Paupers were generally buried in an area set aside for this purpose in burial grounds and, since they died peniless, their graves were unmarked. To be paupers, the Parochial Board who gave them basic maintenance, and ultimately a pauper burial, would have been expected to exhaust all attempts to trace relatives to pressure them into giving support before the Board itself would put them on the poor roll. So that generally meant that there wa sno one to step forward to buy a burial plut and perhaps eventually put a stone on it. Before 1845, the poor law was administered by the Church of Scotland at parish level. After the Poor Law (Scotland) Act of 1845, by which time the religious denominational mix of Scotland was become more diverse, poor law provision was effectively a secular function funded by rates rather than Church of Scotland income from collections, hire of mort cloths, etc. Hope this helps. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "mary amelia paladin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:27 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials > > I have a question or two regarding the burials of those who had very > little > money and, how/where they were buried-generally... > > Must they have been affiliated w/a church or be attendees to be buried in > the parish cemetaries? > Where there cemetaries for the poor; were they marked with names? > > Many of my ancestors were agriculture laborers working on farms for > others; > they were, in most part, poor people. Before I begin trying to locate > their > resting places I was wondering if there would even be marked graves, > pauper > cemetaries etc... > > Thanks for your time! > > Mary A Paladin > Pennsylvania, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks one and all! Think I will try to zero in on locations and check them with the booklets. Maybe I will get lucky and find some. The thought of my g'g'gparents, who raised my g'mother, in unmarked graves makes me sad... Thanks again! Mary -----Original Message----- From: Judy Jeffrey [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:47 PM To: 'Sandy Pittendreigh'; 'Iain Hutchison'; 'mary amelia paladin'; [email protected] Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials That's interesting - when does the magazine come out and is it sold in ordinary high street newsagents Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sandy Pittendreigh Sent: 05 December 2011 22:36 To: Iain Hutchison; mary amelia paladin; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Hi, The following is an extract from the burial records recorded for Dumfries parish in the booklet Dumfries OPR Part I -- 1617 to 1679 published by DGFHS (www.dgfhs.org.uk) There are nine booklets in this series covering the period from 1617 to 1854. The number of recorded burials in this period total over thirty-thousand. (Incidentally this whole volume will be offered free on the cover disc issued by the BBC WDYTYA Programme magazine.)   Note: extraniel means that peson was't even a meber of the parish but beloned to some other, probably unknow parish.   Bell William, "extraniel pauper" July, 1623 Byers Maly, extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Carruthers Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 14, 1623 Cuik Janet, "pauper" Aug 13, 1623 Diksone Robert, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Elder John,e, "pauper" Nov 28, 1640 Fergusone Roger, son of John, "pauper" June 23, 1636 Gairdein Janet, "pauper" Sept  5, 1623 Gibsone Thomas, son of Walter Gibsone, "pauper" June 29, 1636 Gluver James, "pauper" Aug  2, 1623 Halyday Geils?, "extraniel pauper" July 21, 1623 Johstone John, "extraniel pauper" Jul, 11, 1623 Jonstone John, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Litle James, son of Johne DCS, "pauper" June 28, 1636 Mairtein Jonat, "extraniel pauper" July 16, 1623 Maxwell John, son of Alexr. (pauper?) Mar 25, 1523 Neilsone Jonet, "extraniel pauper" July 15, 1623 Pott James, "extralniel pauper" July 10, 1623 Rae James, "extraniel pauper" July 31, 1623 Russell    Robert, son of Robert Russel, "pauper" July 10, 1636 Slowane William, son of Johne Slowane, "pauper" July 12, 1636 Sturgeon Andrew, "pauper" Aug 15, 1623 Tear William, "pauper" Aug  8, 1623 Teir Agnes, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone Bessie, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623 Wulsone William, "extraniel pauper" July 11, 1623   Hope this is of interest.   Sandy ________________________________ From: Iain Hutchison <[email protected]> To: mary amelia paladin <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 21:38 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials Paupers were generally buried in an area set aside for this purpose in burial grounds and, since they died peniless, their graves were unmarked. To be paupers, the Parochial Board who gave them basic maintenance, and ultimately a pauper burial, would have been expected to exhaust all attempts to trace relatives to pressure them into giving support before the Board itself would put them on the poor roll. So that generally meant that there wa sno one to step forward to buy a burial plut and perhaps eventually put a stone on it. Before 1845, the poor law was administered by the Church of Scotland at parish level. After the Poor Law (Scotland) Act of 1845, by which time the religious denominational mix of Scotland was become more diverse, poor law provision was effectively a secular function funded by rates rather than Church of Scotland income from collections, hire of mort cloths, etc. Hope this helps. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "mary amelia paladin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:27 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials > > I have a question or two regarding the burials of those who had very > little > money and, how/where they were buried-generally... > > Must they have been affiliated w/a church or be attendees to be buried in > the parish cemetaries? > Where there cemetaries for the poor; were they marked with names? > > Many of my ancestors were agriculture laborers working on farms for > others; > they were, in most part, poor people. Before I begin trying to locate > their > resting places I was wondering if there would even be marked graves, > pauper > cemetaries etc... > > Thanks for your time! > > Mary A Paladin > Pennsylvania, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4058 - Release Date: 12/05/11

Paupers were generally buried in an area set aside for this purpose in burial grounds and, since they died peniless, their graves were unmarked. To be paupers, the Parochial Board who gave them basic maintenance, and ultimately a pauper burial, would have been expected to exhaust all attempts to trace relatives to pressure them into giving support before the Board itself would put them on the poor roll. So that generally meant that there wa sno one to step forward to buy a burial plut and perhaps eventually put a stone on it. Before 1845, the poor law was administered by the Church of Scotland at parish level. After the Poor Law (Scotland) Act of 1845, by which time the religious denominational mix of Scotland was become more diverse, poor law provision was effectively a secular function funded by rates rather than Church of Scotland income from collections, hire of mort cloths, etc. Hope this helps. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "mary amelia paladin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:27 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] paupers' burials > > I have a question or two regarding the burials of those who had very > little > money and, how/where they were buried-generally... > > Must they have been affiliated w/a church or be attendees to be buried in > the parish cemetaries? > Where there cemetaries for the poor; were they marked with names? > > Many of my ancestors were agriculture laborers working on farms for > others; > they were, in most part, poor people. Before I begin trying to locate > their > resting places I was wondering if there would even be marked graves, > pauper > cemetaries etc... > > Thanks for your time! > > Mary A Paladin > Pennsylvania, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

  Hi, I agree with Irene, its fine being generous with your own work.  If it is the work of someone else then it can't be called generosity, can it? Sandy ________________________________ From: Irene Macleod <[email protected]> To: Judi McRae <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011, 11:51 Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Wauchope, Staplegordon, and Old Langholm memorials Hi If your cousin has gone round those graveyards and made notes of all the inscriptions then that's fine, you're being generous in sharing. If, however, what she has sent you is the graveyard transcriptions as published Memorial Inscriptions of Langholm Old,Staplegordon and Wauchope Church Yards (Paperback) By (author) Brenda I. Morrison, By (author) Robin B. McCartney then perhaps you might like to re-consider.  Apart from the issue of copyright, do you not think that giving the information away for free might discourage the transcribers from doing any more graveyards?  The cost of a book is a lot less than a trans-Atlantic airline ticket......and without the local transcribers that will be your only option. Irene On 5 December 2011 09:41, Judi McRae <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello all my fellow amateur genealogists and especially a warm welcome to > Bob Boss. > > Now for the reason I am writing.  My cousin has just send me the listings > of the memorials for the Wauchope, Staplegordon and Old Langholm cemetaries > which of course are all around Langholm.  It would be selfish for me to > keep them all to myself so I decided that I would do lookups for other > people as well. > > So just write me either here at the list or at my email address.  Be sure > to include the name of the spouse as well so I can make sure I have the > right persons. > > Take care. > Judi > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Judi McRae, a Proud Canadian living in the Glorious Pacific Northwest > (Tacoma,WA, USA) Please NOTE*** I am NOT researching the McRae name. > > Nothing attached to this letter is from me unless specifically mentioned > in the body of the letter. > > FIGHT SPAMMERS: Please remove all previous addressees before > forwarding this material. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Desmond: 1) According to the Kirkpatrick-Durham, KKD marriage certificate of Robert Jr. RIDDICK and Mary Jane BURGESS [1911-SEP-22] Robert's parents were Robert Sr. RIDDICK (Master Joiner) and Helen SHENNAN, both living. Witnesses were William RIDDICK and Elizabeth BURGESS. Robert Jr.'s usual residence was: 108 Bowman St., Govanhills, Glasgow. 2) Robert Sr. RIDDICK and Helen SHENNAN were married [1878-DEC-25] at Kirkpatrick-Durham. Robert Sr.'s year of birth was about 1850 and his parents were William RIDDICK and Janet HALLIDAY. Helen's year of birth was about 1850 and her parents were William McDILL and Elizabeth SHENNAN. Both people had Kirkpatrick-Durham as their usual residence. Their witnesses were William RIDDICK and Maggie SHENNAN. 3) William RIDDICK and Janet HALLIDAY were married [1849-NOV-10] in Urr, KKD. Bill

I have a question or two regarding the burials of those who had very little money and, how/where they were buried-generally... Must they have been affiliated w/a church or be attendees to be buried in the parish cemetaries? Where there cemetaries for the poor; were they marked with names? Many of my ancestors were agriculture laborers working on farms for others; they were, in most part, poor people. Before I begin trying to locate their resting places I was wondering if there would even be marked graves, pauper cemetaries etc... Thanks for your time! Mary A Paladin Pennsylvania, USA

Hi If your cousin has gone round those graveyards and made notes of all the inscriptions then that's fine, you're being generous in sharing. If, however, what she has sent you is the graveyard transcriptions as published Memorial Inscriptions of Langholm Old,Staplegordon and Wauchope Church Yards (Paperback) By (author) Brenda I. Morrison, By (author) Robin B. McCartney then perhaps you might like to re-consider. Apart from the issue of copyright, do you not think that giving the information away for free might discourage the transcribers from doing any more graveyards? The cost of a book is a lot less than a trans-Atlantic airline ticket......and without the local transcribers that will be your only option. Irene On 5 December 2011 09:41, Judi McRae <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello all my fellow amateur genealogists and especially a warm welcome to > Bob Boss. > > Now for the reason I am writing. My cousin has just send me the listings > of the memorials for the Wauchope, Staplegordon and Old Langholm cemetaries > which of course are all around Langholm. It would be selfish for me to > keep them all to myself so I decided that I would do lookups for other > people as well. > > So just write me either here at the list or at my email address. Be sure > to include the name of the spouse as well so I can make sure I have the > right persons. > > Take care. > Judi > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Judi McRae, a Proud Canadian living in the Glorious Pacific Northwest > (Tacoma,WA, USA) Please NOTE*** I am NOT researching the McRae name. > > Nothing attached to this letter is from me unless specifically mentioned > in the body of the letter. > > FIGHT SPAMMERS: Please remove all previous addressees before > forwarding this material. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all my fellow amateur genealogists and especially a warm welcome to Bob Boss. Now for the reason I am writing. My cousin has just send me the listings of the memorials for the Wauchope, Staplegordon and Old Langholm cemetaries which of course are all around Langholm. It would be selfish for me to keep them all to myself so I decided that I would do lookups for other people as well. So just write me either here at the list or at my email address. Be sure to include the name of the spouse as well so I can make sure I have the right persons. Take care. Judi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Judi McRae, a Proud Canadian living in the Glorious Pacific Northwest (Tacoma,WA, USA) Please NOTE*** I am NOT researching the McRae name. Nothing attached to this letter is from me unless specifically mentioned in the body of the letter. FIGHT SPAMMERS: Please remove all previous addressees before forwarding this material. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .

Hello fellow Lister's, I am new to the list and am researching two names in Kirkcudbright. They are ARMSTRONG and McCRAE. Though I am not directly blood related to either name a Janet Armstrong was the first wife of a great great grandfather named John Sommerville, he was from Carnwath. I have found a Janet Armstrong;s baptismal record on ScoitlandsPeople web site. She was baptized on May 22, 1814 in Troqueer, Kirkcudbright. Her parents are listed as William Armstrong and Sarah McCrae. I think tis might be the same Janet that John married in Troy New York in 1832. I have a passenger list for both Janet and John from 1832. They were married in June 1834. While not a blood relative, I am trying to find out more on John's early life and think that learning about his first wife and her family might help. It is not clear if Janet and John new each other before being onboard the same ship, the Camillous. The passenger list shows that Janet and John made the trip without any family members. A search on ScotlandsPeople fails to find any presence of either William or Sarah other than the Baptismal OPR for Janet. I did find death OPR's for two William Armstrong's in County Kirkcudbright, one in 1830 and one in 1833. No idea if either is the one I am interested in though. Nothing at all ob Sarah. It might be entirely possible that both of Janet's parents had died prior to her leaving for America. Any ideas or information would be really great Thanks Bob

Hello Bill I have no Robert in my tree in this time frame around 1911, my research has told me there is quite a few branches of Riddick's in the Dumfries wide area that I had found that are not connected. The naming pattern does make it harder to keep the focus. Branches have stayed in Dumfries, move over to Castle Douglas area some to Glasgow and some over to Northern Ireland. How far back do your Riddick's go? Desmond Cambridge -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: December-03-11 3:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 134 Today's Topics: 1. DUMFRIES & GALLOWAY RIDDICK Connection (Bill Martin) Desmond: I have a Robert RIDDICK who married a Mary Jane BURGESS in 1911 and had two daughters, Mary Burgess RIDDICK and Ada Burgess RIDDICK, born about 1912 and 1915 respectively. Bill Martin Ontario Canada