Hi Jerry Bishop William Lamberton was made Bishop of St Andrews in 1297 and he participated in the crowning of King Robert the Bruce in 1306. He was said to have been born at Kilmaurs in Ayrshire. Originally, Galloway included the Southern part of what is now Ayrshire. Although Kilmaurs is too far North to be included in Galloway, it really isn't that far away and many Ayrshire people moved a few miles South into Galloway. There are five lamberts and one Lamberton in the current Dumfries & Galloway phone book. Ian A McClumpha (Chairman: The Robert the Bruce Commemoration Trust) Researching Scottish Family History; please look at our website> www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerrold Brosious Sent: 14 February 2012 03:11 To: [email protected] Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Is Lambert a Galloway name? Hello, this is Jerry Brosious in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA. This will be a general question and after getting replies, if fortunate to get any, I'll post a specific query regarding my Lambert ancestors. My Lambert ancestor was born ca 1760 "a native of Galloway, Scotland", according to his U.S. Naturalization record. Can anyone give me feedback as to the occurrence of the surname Lambert in Galloway----Wigtownshire and Kirkcudbrightshire in the 1700's? Was it somewhat rare? Does anyone have Lambert connections in that time period in those old counties? Again, specifics of my case will come later. I'll appreciate respones from anyone, whether with general or more in-depth comments. Jerry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Sandy.  Isn't that something, in Galloway only two Lambert burials out of 100 thousand recorded! ________________________________ From: Sandy Pittendreigh <[email protected]> To: Jerrold Brosious <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 4:44:03 AM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Is Lambert a Galloway name? Hello Jerry, Emphasising the responses from Bruce and Ian that the Lambert name is very rare in D&G,  I can add this bit of data : A search of the DGFHS database of MIs lists only two Lambert burials, one in Wigtownshire and the other in Kirkcudbrightshire. These are both for the late 19th to early 20th century. That result is from a list of 24 thousand gravestones recoding 100 thousand burials.   Regards, Sandy     Location:  Glasserton Churchyard, WIG Reference:  Birchman J. E., "Memorials of Glasserton Parish: Old Kirkyard", (1978) In Loving Memory of  James LAMBERT, schoolmaster at Glasserton 1894 - 1933, who died at Lochwinnoch 18th Feb 1961  aged 93 years  Also his wife Georgina Henrietta TRUMBLE, who died at Craigdhu 18th Feb 1954 aged 80 years Surname               Forenames                                     Death   Birth  Remarks Lambert                 James                                             1961    1868 Trumble                 GeorginaHenrietta                            1954    1874   Location:  KirkmabreckCemetery, by Creetown, KKD Reference:  DGFHS, Kirkmabreck Cemetery Memorial Inscriptions, (2003) Erected in Loving Memory of  My dear husband Thomas BROWN, who died 19th June 1938 aged 60 years  Also the erector  Isabella BROWN, wife of George LAMBERT, who died 23rd January 1951 aged 69 years Surname               Forenames                                     Death   Birth  Remarks Brown                   Isabella                                           1951    1882   Married surname Brown                   Thomas                                          1938    1878 Lambert                 George From: Jerrold Brosious <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012, 3:11 Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Is Lambert a Galloway name? Hello, this is Jerry Brosious in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA. This will be a general question and after getting replies, if fortunate to get any, I'll post a specific query regarding my Lambert ancestors. My Lambert ancestor was born ca 1760 "a native of Galloway, Scotland", according to his U.S. Naturalization record. Can anyone give me feedback as to the occurrence of the surname Lambert in Galloway----Wigtownshire and Kirkcudbrightshire in the 1700's? Was it somewhat rare? Does anyone have Lambert connections in that time period in those old counties? Again, specifics of my case will come later. I'll appreciate respones from anyone, whether with general or more in-depth comments. Jerry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ian, Thanks for this reply.  Clearly the name Lambert was and still is rare in Galloway.  From general searching I've done,  I've read that Ayrshire was a pocket (maybe small) for the name Lambert at least in earlier times.  When you mention this Bishop William Lamberton, are you suggesting that Lamberton and Lambert are in a sense the same name, that some Lamberts may originally been Lamberton? Jerry   ________________________________ From: Imchad Ancestry <[email protected]> To: Jerrold Brosious <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 4:12:02 AM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Is Lambert a Galloway name? Hi Jerry Bishop William Lamberton was made Bishop of St Andrews in 1297 and he participated in the crowning of King Robert the Bruce in 1306.  He was said to have been born at Kilmaurs in Ayrshire. Originally, Galloway included the Southern part of what is now Ayrshire. Although Kilmaurs is too far North to be included in Galloway, it really isn't that far away and many Ayrshire people moved a few miles South into Galloway.  There are five lamberts and one Lamberton in the current Dumfries & Galloway phone book. Ian A McClumpha (Chairman: The Robert the Bruce Commemoration Trust) Researching Scottish Family History; please look at our website> www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerrold Brosious Sent: 14 February 2012 03:11 To: [email protected] Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Is Lambert a Galloway name? Hello, this is Jerry Brosious in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA. This will be a general question and after getting replies, if fortunate to get any, I'll post a specific query regarding my Lambert ancestors. My Lambert ancestor was born ca 1760 "a native of Galloway, Scotland", according to his U.S. Naturalization record. Can anyone give me feedback as to the occurrence of the surname Lambert in Galloway----Wigtownshire and Kirkcudbrightshire in the 1700's? Was it somewhat rare? Does anyone have Lambert connections in that time period in those old counties? Again, specifics of my case will come later. I'll appreciate respones from anyone, whether with general or more in-depth comments. Jerry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks very much, Bruce.  Actually this is quite interesting, these Lamberts appearing in this part of the region,  Portpatrick, Wigtownshire.  I'll post my detailed information later showing why I say this. Also can anyone guide me as to the proper way for me to "reply to a reply". When I hit the reply button for Bruce's message only his personal e-mail address showed up,  but of course I want the conversation on the D-G list, so I chose "reply to all".  Is this what I should be doing?  Also, is it best for me to delete text in the e-mail I'm replying to to save on space? Jerry   ________________________________ From: Bruce McDowall <[email protected]> To: Jerrold Brosious <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Sent: Mon, February 13, 2012 10:30:30 PM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Is Lambert a Galloway name? Hi Jerry, Searching the name using the IGI gives few results, indicating it was a rare name. No baptisms appear in the 1700s, and only 2 marriages. CATHIRENE LAMBERT Spouse:                RICHARD STEVENS Marriage:            28 OCT 1764      Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland Batch No.:          M118964 CATHERINE LAMBERT Spouse:                JOHN WILSON Marriage:            20 APR 1789      Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland Batch No.:          M118964 The only other event in the IGI for Wigtownshire was a marriage in 1815. For Kirkcudbrightshire, there were 3 baptisms ranging from 1838 to 1843, and On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Jerrold Brosious <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Hello, this is Jerry Brosious in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA. This will be > a > general question and after getting replies, if fortunate to get any, I'll > post a > specific query regarding my Lambert ancestors. > > My Lambert ancestor was born ca 1760 "a native of Galloway, Scotland", > according > to his U.S. Naturalization record. Can anyone give me feedback as to the > occurrence of the surname Lambert in Galloway----Wigtownshire and > Kirkcudbrightshire in the 1700's? Was it somewhat rare? Does anyone have > Lambert > connections in that time period in those old counties? Again, specifics of > my > case will come later. I'll appreciate respones from anyone, whether with > general > or more in-depth comments. > > Jerry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, this is Jerry Brosious in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA. This will be a general question and after getting replies, if fortunate to get any, I'll post a specific query regarding my Lambert ancestors. My Lambert ancestor was born ca 1760 "a native of Galloway, Scotland", according to his U.S. Naturalization record. Can anyone give me feedback as to the occurrence of the surname Lambert in Galloway----Wigtownshire and Kirkcudbrightshire in the 1700's? Was it somewhat rare? Does anyone have Lambert connections in that time period in those old counties? Again, specifics of my case will come later. I'll appreciate respones from anyone, whether with general or more in-depth comments. Jerry

Hi Judy, Many thanks for your reply. I now believe there were two Mary Ann(e) LITTLE's both born around the same time. Unfortunately for me I was following the wrong one! But at the time I made that decision there was not the information available that there is now and it is the census returns that have made me positive that she is the daughter of John and Jean. So I don't believe the other trees are wrong. Thanks to all who replied. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Judy Jeffrey Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:01 AM To: 'Christine Benson' ; 'Dumfries&Galloway Mailing List' Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Mary Ann(e) LITTLE Hi Christine, Often Jane, Jean and Janet are taken as variants of the same name. However I would beware of trees on Ancestry being totally accurate and just use them as a guide. Then make sure you look for your own proof. I have looked at many of 'my' trees which have been wrong and in the beginning I used to e-mail and ask about them - you have to do this in a very diplomatic way. SOME people are set in what they believe, even if you have proof that it is wrong. Others you can work with and really research together. Good luck in your research. Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Benson Sent: 13 February 2012 02:48 To: Dumfries&Galloway Mailing List Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Mary Ann(e) LITTLE Hi All, Several years ago I researched the ancestry of my gg-grandmother Mary Ann(e) LITTLE born 1815/6 who married Robert BENSON 11 Jun 1844 at Kirkandrews on Esk. I have that marriage certificate. Her father is named as John. At that time I had her born 15 Oct 1815 in Tynwald, daughter of John Little and Janet Richardson. This information came from the IGI and I believe it was a member- submitted entry, something which I didn't understand the implications of at the time. When I now look at FamilySearch the only result gives her as the daughter of John LITTLE and Jean BIRRELL, baptised 1 Apr 1816 at Graitney. This fits in with a census return giving her birthplace as Gretna. The earliest birth I can find for a child of John and Jean, is Jean in 1809, but I cannot find their marriage. ( A tree gives it as 1808.) And I have found census images which I believe are this family, living in Kirkandrews, Cumberland but nearly all children are born in Scotland. However when I look at family trees on Ancestry there are three trees, all by the same author, giving her parents as John and Jean, and several trees by different authors giving her parents as John and Janet (my original choice). These trees don't have her marriage in, and appear to be more "LITTLE" trees than "BENSON" trees so I would expect them to be more accurate, unless, of course, they are all copies of one another and the original owner found the same as I originally did. So now I am wondering what to believe. I have it in mind to message the tree owners asking about the source of their data but I thought I would seek the view of the list first. Any help/advice much appreciated. Christine

Hi Christine, Often Jane, Jean and Janet are taken as variants of the same name. However I would beware of trees on Ancestry being totally accurate and just use them as a guide. Then make sure you look for your own proof. I have looked at many of 'my' trees which have been wrong and in the beginning I used to e-mail and ask about them - you have to do this in a very diplomatic way. SOME people are set in what they believe, even if you have proof that it is wrong. Others you can work with and really research together. Good luck in your research. Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Benson Sent: 13 February 2012 02:48 To: Dumfries&Galloway Mailing List Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Mary Ann(e) LITTLE Hi All, Several years ago I researched the ancestry of my gg-grandmother Mary Ann(e) LITTLE born 1815/6 who married Robert BENSON 11 Jun 1844 at Kirkandrews on Esk. I have that marriage certificate. Her father is named as John. At that time I had her born 15 Oct 1815 in Tynwald, daughter of John Little and Janet Richardson. This information came from the IGI and I believe it was a member- submitted entry, something which I didn't understand the implications of at the time. When I now look at FamilySearch the only result gives her as the daughter of John LITTLE and Jean BIRRELL, baptised 1 Apr 1816 at Graitney. This fits in with a census return giving her birthplace as Gretna. The earliest birth I can find for a child of John and Jean, is Jean in 1809, but I cannot find their marriage. ( A tree gives it as 1808.) And I have found census images which I believe are this family, living in Kirkandrews, Cumberland but nearly all children are born in Scotland. However when I look at family trees on Ancestry there are three trees, all by the same author, giving her parents as John and Jean, and several trees by different authors giving her parents as John and Janet (my original choice). These trees don't have her marriage in, and appear to be more "LITTLE" trees than "BENSON" trees so I would expect them to be more accurate, unless, of course, they are all copies of one another and the original owner found the same as I originally did. So now I am wondering what to believe. I have it in mind to message the tree owners asking about the source of their data but I thought I would seek the view of the list first. Any help/advice much appreciated. Christine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4805 - Release Date: 02/12/12

Hi All, Several years ago I researched the ancestry of my gg-grandmother Mary Ann(e) LITTLE born 1815/6 who married Robert BENSON 11 Jun 1844 at Kirkandrews on Esk. I have that marriage certificate. Her father is named as John. At that time I had her born 15 Oct 1815 in Tynwald, daughter of John Little and Janet Richardson. This information came from the IGI and I believe it was a member- submitted entry, something which I didn't understand the implications of at the time. When I now look at FamilySearch the only result gives her as the daughter of John LITTLE and Jean BIRRELL, baptised 1 Apr 1816 at Graitney. This fits in with a census return giving her birthplace as Gretna. The earliest birth I can find for a child of John and Jean, is Jean in 1809, but I cannot find their marriage. ( A tree gives it as 1808.) And I have found census images which I believe are this family, living in Kirkandrews, Cumberland but nearly all children are born in Scotland. However when I look at family trees on Ancestry there are three trees, all by the same author, giving her parents as John and Jean, and several trees by different authors giving her parents as John and Janet (my original choice). These trees don't have her marriage in, and appear to be more "LITTLE" trees than "BENSON" trees so I would expect them to be more accurate, unless, of course, they are all copies of one another and the original owner found the same as I originally did. So now I am wondering what to believe. I have it in mind to message the tree owners asking about the source of their data but I thought I would seek the view of the list first. Any help/advice much appreciated. Christine

Farewell , JP To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Ray On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Jim Patterson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > ------------------------------- > >

Mary, I think you will find it is "Usual Residence" if she died in the Glasgow Infirmary. Regards Jenny

Thank you very nuch to all who responded. I again looked at the death certificate as closely as posible and, although it is faint and a bit 'loopy', it certainly DOES look like Usual! I never would have guessed that but once mentioned it was rather easy to see... Again, thanks so much! Mary A. Paladin Pennsylvania; USA

More likely to be "usual" residence. Don't you think? Anne Wilson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 3:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 16 Today's Topics: 1. #2 Church St Moffat? (mary amelia paladin) 2. Re: #2 Church St Moffat? (Hugh Preacher) 3. Re: #2 Church St Moffat? (Stanley Walker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:23:24 -0500 From: "mary amelia paladin" <[email protected]> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] #2 Church St Moffat? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Upon reviewing a death certificate for my ancestor, Elizabeth Mcdonald Elliot I noticed,what I think is written- "(Eternal residence- 2 Church St Moffat)". Now I am not positive the first word is eternal although, the first letter is definately an E and the last definately an l. The entry is in parenthesis' as typed above; she died at the Western Infirmary in Glasgow of acute appendicitis but, I do believe she still lived down in the Ecchlefechan area. My query is: Does anyone know if #2 Church Street, Moffat was a residence in 1922 or, was/is it a cemetary? Thank you in advance for any info you can share... Mary A. Paladin Pennsylvania USA ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:54:40 -0600 From: "Hugh Preacher" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] #2 Church St Moffat? To: "'mary amelia paladin'" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Google "2 church street Moffat Scotland" and you can even see the street view of this building, not a Church. Been through there several times on the way to the A road to Edinburgh. Hugh J. Preacher -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mary amelia paladin Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] #2 Church St Moffat? Upon reviewing a death certificate for my ancestor, Elizabeth Mcdonald Elliot I noticed,what I think is written- "(Eternal residence- 2 Church St Moffat)". Now I am not positive the first word is eternal although, the first letter is definately an E and the last definately an l. The entry is in parenthesis' as typed above; she died at the Western Infirmary in Glasgow of acute appendicitis but, I do believe she still lived down in the Ecchlefechan area. My query is: Does anyone know if #2 Church Street, Moffat was a residence in 1922 or, was/is it a cemetary? Thank you in advance for any info you can share... Mary A. Paladin Pennsylvania USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:22:10 -0000 From: "Stanley Walker" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] #2 Church St Moffat? To: "'mary amelia paladin'" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Mary According to the Royal Mail, 4 Church Street belongs to the Bank Of Scotland at DG10 9HD http://www.royalmail.com/postcode-finder >From this angle, you can see into Church Street from the High Street and 2 Church Street would have been nearest the High Street, about where the gold Citroen car is, as you can see here http://g.co/maps/fye4r So it was a residence (now part of Bank of Scotland), not a cemetery. Kind regards Stanley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mary amelia paladin Sent: 01 February 2012 3:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] #2 Church St Moffat? Upon reviewing a death certificate for my ancestor, Elizabeth Mcdonald Elliot I noticed,what I think is written- "(Eternal residence- 2 Church St Moffat)". Now I am not positive the first word is eternal although, the first letter is definately an E and the last definately an l. The entry is in parenthesis' as typed above; she died at the Western Infirmary in Glasgow of acute appendicitis but, I do believe she still lived down in the Ecchlefechan area. My query is: Does anyone know if #2 Church Street, Moffat was a residence in 1922 or, was/is it a cemetary? Thank you in advance for any info you can share... Mary A. 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Hi Mary According to the Royal Mail, 4 Church Street belongs to the Bank Of Scotland at DG10 9HD http://www.royalmail.com/postcode-finder >From this angle, you can see into Church Street from the High Street and 2 Church Street would have been nearest the High Street, about where the gold Citroen car is, as you can see here http://g.co/maps/fye4r So it was a residence (now part of Bank of Scotland), not a cemetery. Kind regards Stanley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mary amelia paladin Sent: 01 February 2012 3:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] #2 Church St Moffat? Upon reviewing a death certificate for my ancestor, Elizabeth Mcdonald Elliot I noticed,what I think is written- "(Eternal residence- 2 Church St Moffat)". Now I am not positive the first word is eternal although, the first letter is definately an E and the last definately an l. The entry is in parenthesis' as typed above; she died at the Western Infirmary in Glasgow of acute appendicitis but, I do believe she still lived down in the Ecchlefechan area. My query is: Does anyone know if #2 Church Street, Moffat was a residence in 1922 or, was/is it a cemetary? Thank you in advance for any info you can share... Mary A. Paladin Pennsylvania USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Upon reviewing a death certificate for my ancestor, Elizabeth Mcdonald Elliot I noticed,what I think is written- "(Eternal residence- 2 Church St Moffat)". Now I am not positive the first word is eternal although, the first letter is definately an E and the last definately an l. The entry is in parenthesis' as typed above; she died at the Western Infirmary in Glasgow of acute appendicitis but, I do believe she still lived down in the Ecchlefechan area. My query is: Does anyone know if #2 Church Street, Moffat was a residence in 1922 or, was/is it a cemetary? Thank you in advance for any info you can share... Mary A. Paladin Pennsylvania USA

Google "2 church street Moffat Scotland" and you can even see the street view of this building, not a Church. Been through there several times on the way to the A road to Edinburgh. Hugh J. Preacher -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mary amelia paladin Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] #2 Church St Moffat? Upon reviewing a death certificate for my ancestor, Elizabeth Mcdonald Elliot I noticed,what I think is written- "(Eternal residence- 2 Church St Moffat)". Now I am not positive the first word is eternal although, the first letter is definately an E and the last definately an l. The entry is in parenthesis' as typed above; she died at the Western Infirmary in Glasgow of acute appendicitis but, I do believe she still lived down in the Ecchlefechan area. My query is: Does anyone know if #2 Church Street, Moffat was a residence in 1922 or, was/is it a cemetary? Thank you in advance for any info you can share... Mary A. Paladin Pennsylvania USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anyone researching ROGERSON who for many years had the lease of Johnstonebridgew Mill in the 1800s Alison

Hello Can anyone help me find the parents of Janet BIRRELL who married Robert BALDWIN (from Ormskirk) at Graitney (Gretna) on 20 Oct 1820? I think she was from the Gretna area. The family were in Annan in the 1841 census and Newcastle in 1851. Possible birth records 6 Jul 1800 daughter of James Birrel and Emelia/Amelia Holley/Hawley/Halley (Married Gretna 9 Sep 1799) and 26 Jul 1800 daughter of John Birrel and Elizabeth Bruitch. I should also be interested in where the children would have attended school, probably Annan and if there are any records available. All hints and comments very welcome Elizabeth

I have received the following information from a friend currently in South Africa. Rene Anderson Quote: Many thanks for the history regarding the Moodies. It is of great interest to us as we lived on Thomas Moodie's farm in Chipinge. Unfortunately for him he died of blackwater fever not long after settling at Waterfalls. He and his family are buried there and we tended the graves when we lived there. Further up the Rusitu Valley was Melsetter which Moodie named after the Moodie home in Orkney, it is now known as Chimanimani. There was a trek monument there which, post independence, was moved to Waterfalls graveyard and we also maintained that. I don't know what has become of that now; it is probably rather overgrown and unkempt. We know that Thomas Moodie was recruited by Cecil John Rhodes to trek into south east Rhodesia and from there try to lay claim to an area along the coast. Unfortunately for Rhodes the Portuguese got there first and it became part of Mozambique instead of Rhodesia. Chipinge and Chimanimani are very close to the border as is Mutare( formerly Umtali). Another Scottish connection with the Chipinge area is through the Ballantyne family. They were publishers based in Edinburgh. There was a brother and sister who for some reason made a pact they would never marry so when they died all the land in Chipinga was left to the farm manager an Afrikaaner named Odendaal. Upon his death those farms passed to his sons and there are still descendants living there to this day. Perhaps there was an earlier connection between the Moodies and the Ballantynes which may explain recruitment of people from Edinburgh and may explain why Ballantyne ended up in the same part of Rhodesia as Thomas Moodie. This is conjecture on my part but may be an avenue worth exploring. UNQUOTE ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:52 PM Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Capt Benjamin Moodie's 1817 emigrants to SouthAfrica | As part of the SCOON one-name study, I've been trying to follow up two | brothers Robert (b c 1789) and James (b c 1792) SCOON who travelled to Cape | Town in 1817 on The Brilliant. They were part of a group of about 200 | skilled artisans from various parts of Scotland who were indentured to | Benjamin Moodie who was involved with several other groups to the same area from | all over the UK. | | The South African records tell us a lot about the brothers' lives (and | deaths) in South Africa, but unfortunately very little about their ancestry. | All we know for sure is that Robert came from the Hawick area, but that | James described himself as a 'native of Dumfriesshire' in his 1826 will. | Robert, originally a cooper, became quite a renowned explorer before | dying unmarried in 1837; James stuck to his trade as a blacksmith and farrier | in Cape Town, married and fathered 3 children before dying in 1827. | | The most likely explanation for this is that they were they sons of Walter | Scoon and Mary Elliot b 1788 and 1790 respectively at Todshawhill a few | miles SW of Hawick. Their elder brother Walter moved to Langholm | (1800-10) and became a master blacksmith, so it would well have been possible for | his younger brother James to have followed or gone with him and learnt his | trade in Langholm - hence the description in his will. | | However, this is very much in 'best guess' territory and I would be very | interested to hear from anyone who has more information about the pair or | indeed has any connections with the group of 200 as I have found it very | difficult to find out where or how they were recruited - did Moodie perhaps | visit Langholm or somewhere nearby? | | Donald Grant | Scoon One Name Study (GOONS #5642) | www.donjgrant.me.uk/schp.html | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am interested in a Hugh McMath, born in Ireland and moved to Stranraer. He married Janet Kerr 24 Nov 1793 in Kirkmaiden. They had a daughter, Helen baptized 21 Sept 1794 and a son James christened 29 Feb 1796. Both events took place at Kirkcolm. If anyone has any knowledge or interest in this family I would be pleased to hear from you. Ray MacMath