After I had finished doing a video of Buittle Churchyard (to follow when I've finished editing), I decided to see if my camera would stay put on the dashboard, so here's a little film of the trip from the churchyard to Palnackie. There's a bit too much dash showing for my liking but I'm pleased with the result. http://youtu.be/W9WRPagVpYY Vanessa    All records are subject to error. Let they without typo caste tea thirst scone! View my photostream at http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapshistory/

Greetings from Sunny Texas, Today I have some additional information to add to the life of William Johnston. He was born in 1737 in Annandale, Scotland. His father is listed as Robert Johnston of Harthwood - meaning that he owned the land (as opposed to "in Harthwood" which would mean not owning the land but working it). This information comes from an earlier will dated 1780. We have also found that the Samuel Johnston mentioned in the 1785 Will was his uncle. The following is from an article on Samuel Johnston: "Samuel Johnston (1733-1816) Samuel Johnston, one of early North Carolina's most durable politicians, served as governor during the debate over the ratification of the United States Constitution. Born in Scotland, Johnston came to North Carolina as an infant while his uncle, Gabriel Johnston, was serving as royal governor. The boy grew up on the family's Poplar Spring plantation between New Bern and Wilmington and briefly attended what was then Yale College. Johnston settled in Edenton in 1753 and began a long career in law and politics. He was soon appointed clerk of the local trial court, and in 1759, he won a seat in the colonial assembly. Throughout his career, Johnston would be associated with the more conservative faction in North Carolina politics. During the Regulator rebellion, he sponsored the infamous Johnston Act, which permitted protestors, if they had not previously surrendered to authorities, to be shot on sight. Despite his conservatism, Johnston took an active role in opposing British tax polices before the American Revolution. A thorough-going aristocrat, he commanded the respect, if not the affection, of voters and fellow patriots. He served on the colony's Committee of Correspondence and as a member of the First and Second Provincial Congresses. When Moderator John Harvey died in May 1775, Johnston presided over the third congress, functioning briefly as the virtual governor of the state. More radical revolutionaries defeated Johnston when he sought reelection in October 1776, and for the next decade, conservatives like Johnston, although never driven from state politics, were on the defensive. In 1779 he won a seat in the state senate, and he served in the Continental Congress from December 1780 until July 1781. After the war, Johnston divided his time between his Hayes plantation near Edenton and a successful law practice. Johnston and his fellow conservatives opposed paper money and generally took more nationalistic positions than federal leaders like Willie Jones. Conservatives tended to support the cession to Congress of remote western lands claimed by the states, and consistent with the Treaty of Paris of 1783, they favored relatively lenient treatment of Loyalists. In the landmark case of Bayard v. Singleton (1787), Johnston and his brother-in-law, James Iredell, a future Supreme Court justice, represented a Loyalist suing to recovery family property confiscated by an act of the state legislature. In one of the first examples of judicial review in American history, Johnston and his co-counsel persuaded a North Carolina court to declare the confiscation act void because it violated the plaintiff's right to a trial by jury, but they lost the lawsuit on other grounds. Admired for his ability and integrity, Johnston was elected governor by the assembly without opposition in December 1787. It was largely a ceremonial position, but he took office amid the debate over the ratification of the United States Constitution, and he soon found himself a leader of the Federalist minority that supported ratification. In July 1788, a convention met at Hillsborough to consider approval of the document. Anti-Federalists opposed to ratification had a clear majority and could safely agree to Governor Johnston's unanimous election as the convention's presiding officer. Anti-Federalists proposed amendments, including a bill of rights, that would limit the power of the new government. Johnston did not oppose a bill of rights, but he believed amendments could be made after ratification. The convention refused to approve the Constitution, but its Federalist supporters were undeterred, and they persuaded the assembly to call a second convention. By the time it met in Fayetteville in November 1789, George Washington had taken office as president. The delegates once again selected Johnston, who had won a second term as governor in November 1788, as the convention's presiding office, and they finally ratified the Constitution. Apart from his support for the Constitution, Johnston was known as governor, in the words of one historian, for his "cautious restraint with regard to fiscal and monetary affairs." Less than two weeks after winning a third term as governor, Johnston was elected to the U.S. Senate. Sparring occasionally with the emerging Democratic-Republican majority in the state legislature, he served until 1792. That year he later retired to a new plantation near Williamston, where he was a superior court judge from 1800 until 1813, when he finally retired from public service. Sources: Anna Withers Bair, "Samuel Johnston," in William Powell, ed., Dictionary of North Carolina Biography, 6 vols. (Chapel Hill, 1979-1991), vol.3: 306-308; John C. Cavanaugh, Decision at Fayetteville: The North Carolina Ratification Convention and General Assembly of 1789 (Raleigh, 1989); Delbert H. Gilpatrick, Jeffersonian Democracy in North Carolina, 1789-1816 (New York, 1931); Michael Hill, ed., The Governors of North Carolina (Raleigh, 2007); William S. Price, Jr., "'There Ought to Be a Bill of Rights': North Carolina Enters a New Nation," in Patrick T. Conley and John P. Kaminski, eds., The Bill of Rights and the States: The Colonial and Revolutionary Origins of American Liberties (Madison, Wis., 1991). By Jeff Broadwater, Barton College" In addition there is some other information that I've momentarily lost on another kin of his...hopefully I'll find it :-) Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Clifford Johnston Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Will of William Johnston of Lochmaben Greetings from Sunny Texas, Today I received a copy of the Will of William Johnston of Orange County, North Carolina, d. ca. 1785. He was a merchant of some importance. From his will I have garnered the following information about his immediate family: Father of William: Robert Johnston of Hearthwood, Lochmaben Parish and Shire of Annandale in SCOTLAND. Mother of William: Isabell Burnet Johnston of Mooshall Parish of Nithsdale, SCOTLAND. She had a brother Robert Burnet and a sister Mrs. Jane Burnet Craik wife of William Craik of Mooshall. Child of William: Amelia It would appear that Amelia was the sole surviving child of William at the time of his death. William was also the only son of Robert Johnston of Hearthwood. William's wife appears to have preceded him in death as no mention is made of her in the Will. There are several pages of bequeaths; however, there are no other Johnstons mentioned nor other relationships to William and his family. My thanks to Charlie Weaver in North Carolina for providing me with a copy of William's Will. Cliff. 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As a result of Cliff Johnston's posting concerning his ancestor William Johnston of Lochmaben, I'm interested in learning more about: William's mother: Isabell Burnet Johnston of Mooshall Parish of Nithsdale, SCOTLAND. Isabell's brother Robert Burnet and a sister Mrs. Jane Burnet Craik wife of William Craik of Mooshall. For years I've been trying to find ancestors or relatives of my great (x 8) grandfather Robert Burnet born. 1759 Warmanbie, Annan. Maybe there's a connection here ? I can't find any record of Mooshall parish, Nithsdale anywhere or marked on any old maps. Can anyone suggest where this parish was or advise if they are researching this Burnet family ? Thanks John Burnet Wellington NZ

I've had several requests for a copy of this will. Unfortunately my copy is on the dark side, so I transcribed it. Let's see if it all fits on one post J WILL - James Johnston of Orange Co., N.C. 1785 [page 1] William Johnston of the County of Orange and province of North Carolina, Merchant, only Son and Heir of Robert Johnston late of Harthwood in the Parish of Lochmaben, and shire of Annandale in Scotland, deceased, by Isabell his then wife: do make and ordain this my Testament and last Will as followeth, to wit. I will that all my just debts may be paid, as speedily as may be, by my Executor here in afternamed [sic]. I give and bequeath unto my much respected Mother Isabell Johnston widow and Relic of my said Father Robert Johnston, one hundred pounds sterling to be paid to her within six months after my decease: I likewise give and bequeath to her, an annuity of twenty pounds like money for and during her natural life, to be duly and regularly paid every year without abatement or deduction, and to the payment of thereof I subject all my Estate both real and personal. I give to the children of Catharine Gardner deceased, late wife of Mr. Edward Gardner of the City of Lincoln in the Kingdom of Great Britain, and in case of the death of any of the, to the representatives of such as may be dead, Ten shillings Sterling, to be equally divided amongst them share and share alike. [page 2] I give to my Cousin Mary Robson, wife of Henry Robson now or late of the County of Cumberland, near Carlisle in the Kingdom of Great Britain, (Sister to the said Catharine Gardner) and her Heirs the sum of five shillings Sterling. I give to Mary Harrison, widow and Relict of James Harrison deceased, near the Town of Louth in the shire of Lincoln in Great Britain, Fifty pounds Sterling, and to her Heirs if she should not survive me. I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Robinson, widow and Relict of John Robinson late of the City of Lincoln aforesaid Esquire deceased, and her Heirs the sum of Two hundred pounds Sterling. I give to Robert Read now or late of the City of Lincoln aforesaid, the sum of Fifty pounds Sterling. I give to John Dickson of Lochmaben in the shire of Annandale aforesaid Esquire, the sum of Fifty pounds Sterling. I give to James Hogg, Thomas Hart, John Kinchin and Richard Bennehan, all of the County of Orange and province of North Carolina aforesaid Esquires, each the sum of Fifty pounds current money of the said Province of North Carolina. I will and desire, that my said Executors pay one hundred pounds current money aforesaid, for the use of the first good Academy or Seminary of learning, that shall be in the opinion of my said Executors, or the Survivors [page 3] of them, within Ten years after my decease duly established in the County of Orange aforesaid. I Will and desire, that my said Executors may purchase and Erect, a plain but decent Monument to the memory of my late beloved wife and children, who are Interred at the burying place on my plantation at Littleriver [sic], in the County of Orange and Province aforesaid and if I should depart this life in America, I wish to be there interred. And if at any time after my decease, the said plantation should be disposed of by my succeeding Heirs, my Will is that the said burying place and one acre of Land, with a sufficient road to and from the same, be incepted and reserved out of such Sale, and that it be and remain the family burying ground forever. I give, devise & bequeath to Edward Stabler of the town of Petersburg in the Colony of Virginia Esquire, Samuel Johnston of the Town of Edenton in the Province aforesaid, Esquire with the above named Gentlemen, to wit, James Hogg, Thomas Hart, John Kinchin and Richard Bennehan, Trustees to and for the use and behoof of my beloved Daughter and only child Amelia Johnston and her Heirs forever all the rest and residue of my Estate real and personal of every kind whatever, where so ever it shall be, and every claim, Interest or demand that I have, or hereafter may have, or of right should be entitled to, either in Law or Equity; to hold to them the said Edward Stabler, Samuel Johnston, James Hogg, Thomas Hart, John Kinchin and Richard Bennehan, for the express use, benefit & behoof of my said Daughter Amelia Johnston her Heirs and Assignees [page 4] and to no other use intent or purpose what so ever. And I so appoint the before named Edward Stabler, Samuel Johnston, James Hogg, Thomas Hart, John Kinchin and Richard Bennehan, Guardians of my said Daughter until she shall arrive at the age of twenty one years, ardently requesting their particular and friendly attention to her Education and conduct in every respect, as on the hopes of her good behavior and happiness, my felicity chiefly depends; and I strictly request, that she pay due attention to what for her good shall be by them recommended. Provide never the less that if it so happen, that my said Daughter should not marry, or shall not live to a sufficient age, for her legally to dispose of the aforesaid bequests; then and in either of these cases, I will and devise, all and singular the devises and Legacies mentioned as aforesaid for her, to the persons and in manner following after her decease, to wit. I give and bequeath the yearly profits of my Estate, to be paid to my said Mother annually for and during her natural life; and further, I give to her five hundred pounds Sterling, out of which sum I desire may be paid all just demands against my Fathers Estate, (if any such demands the as soon as they can be properly ascertained, and the remaining part thereof, to be disposed of by my said Mothers Will, to be paid to such person or persons, or to such purpose, or purposes, as she by such Will shall appoint. Provided likewise, that if my said Daughter should survive my said Mother, and yet not arrive at the age of twenty one years [page 5] in that case, I bequeath to Robert Burnet of the Parish of Mooshall [sic - read Mouswald], and County of Nithsdale in Scotland, Brother to my said Mother, and to his Heirs the sum of Two hundred pounds Sterling. And I also give to Mrs. Jane Craik, wife of William Craik, of the Parish of Mooshall [sic - read Mouswald] aforesaid, and Sister to my said Mother, and to her Heirs the sum of Two hundred pounds Sterling. And in such case, I request the favour of my Friend James Gibson of Kelton in the Shire of Gallaway [sic - read Galloway], in Scotland aforesaid, late of Suffolk in the Colony of Virginia, Esquire; to receive from my Executors the said Legacies & bequests to my said Mother, or to the said Robert Burnet and James Craik, and pay the same to them respectively: and further, that he would attend as much as he conveniently can, to their disposition thereof. Provided further that if my said Daughter should die under the age of twenty one years, I give & bequest the sum of Two hundred pounds Sterling to the above named Mary Harrison and her surviving Children, to be equally divided amongst them. Provided also that if my said Daughter should not live to the age of twenty one years, I give and bequeath to the above named John Dickson, the sum of two hundred pounds Sterling, and to his Heirs if he should not survive me. Provided likewise that if my said Daughter should not arrive at the age of twenty one years, I give and bequeath to the above named Robert Read, the sum of one hundred pounds sterling. And in case my said Daughter should depart this life before the age of twenty one years, I give an bequeath to Mrs. Ann Hamilton now or late of the said City of Lincoln, widow and Relict of [page 6] Hamilton Esquire, deceased, late of the Town of Kingston upon Hull, in the Shire of York and Kingdom of Great Britain, Daughter of Mr. Alderman Fowler late of Lincoln aforesaid, and to her Heirs the sum of Two hundred pound Sterling. Provided always, that if my aforesaid Daughter should not live to the age of twenty one years, in that case, I give and devise all the rest and residue of my Estate, of what nature or kind so ever, and where so ever it may be, to Mrs. Mildred Fenton wife of Thomas Fenton, near the Town of Leeds, in the Shire of York aforesaid, Esquire; (Daughter of the above mentioned John and Elizabeth Robinson) and to her Heirs, if she should not survive them. But if my Daughter Amelia Johnston aforesaid, should live to the age of twenty one years, then all the preceeding [sic] Devises and bequests here in mentioned, since the bequests and Devises to her as aforesaid, shall be void and of non effect. Nevertheless, if my said Daughter should arrive at the age of twenty one years, and fail to dispose of her said Estate, by her last will or, instrument in writing purporting to be her last Will, or to make such Will or appointment, then I bequeath and devise, that the before mentioned Legacies and bequests to the persons therein named, shall take effect and be applied in the same manner, and for the use and purposes in every respect, as if my said Daughter had died under the age of twenty one years. Provided further, that if my said Daughter should survive [page 7] at the age of twenty one years, and dispose of her Estates aforesaid, I will and desire if any debts are then due from my said Fathers Estate, that they be paid by her as aforesaid. I give to my Negroe Servant woman now living with me, distinguished by the name of big Ester, her freedom if she is living at my decease. I nominate and appoint my friends James Hogg, Thomas Hart, John Kinchin, and Richard Bennehan aforesaid, Executors of this my Testament and last Will; and I do hereby revoke and disannul, all and every former Will by me heretofore made. In Witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and Seal this twenty eighth day of June, in the year of our Lord Christ one thousand seven hundred and eighty five. Signed Wm. Johnston

I've had a request from another source for a copy of this will. As there are many other names mentioned I may transcribe the will and post it. Cliff. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Burnet Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] BURNET - Mooshall Parish of Nithsdale As a result of Cliff Johnston's posting concerning his ancestor William Johnston of Lochmaben, I'm interested in learning more about: William's mother: Isabell Burnet Johnston of Mooshall Parish of Nithsdale, SCOTLAND. Isabell's brother Robert Burnet and a sister Mrs. Jane Burnet Craik wife of William Craik of Mooshall. For years I've been trying to find ancestors or relatives of my great (x 8) grandfather Robert Burnet born. 1759 Warmanbie, Annan. Maybe there's a connection here ? I can't find any record of Mooshall parish, Nithsdale anywhere or marked on any old maps. Can anyone suggest where this parish was or advise if they are researching this Burnet family ? Thanks John Burnet Wellington NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mouswald certainly sounds more realistic to me too :-) Cliff. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stanley Walker Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:55 AM To: John Burnet Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] BURNET - Mooshall Parish of Nithsdale Could it be Mouswald parish? Stanley On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:39 AM, John Burnet <[email protected]> wrote: > > I can't find any record of Mooshall parish, Nithsdale anywhere or > marked on any old maps.  Can anyone suggest where this parish was or > advise if they are researching this Burnet family ? > > > > Thanks > > John Burnet > > Wellington NZ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could it be Mouswald parish? Stanley On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:39 AM, John Burnet <[email protected]> wrote: > > I can't find any record of Mooshall parish, Nithsdale anywhere or marked on > any old maps.  Can anyone suggest where this parish was or advise if they > are researching this Burnet family ? > > > > Thanks > > John Burnet > > Wellington NZ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings from Sunny Texas, Today I received a copy of the Will of William Johnston of Orange County, North Carolina, d. ca. 1785. He was a merchant of some importance. From his will I have garnered the following information about his immediate family: Father of William: Robert Johnston of Hearthwood, Lochmaben Parish and Shire of Annandale in SCOTLAND. Mother of William: Isabell Burnet Johnston of Mooshall Parish of Nithsdale, SCOTLAND. She had a brother Robert Burnet and a sister Mrs. Jane Burnet Craik wife of William Craik of Mooshall. Child of William: Amelia It would appear that Amelia was the sole surviving child of William at the time of his death. William was also the only son of Robert Johnston of Hearthwood. William's wife appears to have preceded him in death as no mention is made of her in the Will. There are several pages of bequeaths; however, there are no other Johnstons mentioned nor other relationships to William and his family. My thanks to Charlie Weaver in North Carolina for providing me with a copy of William's Will. Cliff. Johnston

Sandy, I hasten to add that his mother’s Christian name was Isabel. Cliff. From: Clifford Johnston [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:16 AM To: 'Sandy Pittendreigh'; '[email protected]' Subject: RE: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] JOHNSTON, James, b. 1755 I found out soon after my original post here that James left some money to his mother who was still living at the time (1832) in Lochmaben! Cliff. From: Sandy Pittendreigh [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:43 AM To: Clifford Johnston; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] JOHNSTON, James, b. 1755 Hi You may have some difficulty sorting out the correct James from the Johnstone births in Dumfriesshire at this time. You may already have done this using the free search on Scotlandspeople. According to Scotlandspeople the Dumfriesshire OPRs for the period 1750 – 1760 record 22 James Johnstone births. 3 – Dumfries : 3 – Gretna : 3 - Kirkpatrick Juxta 2 – Kirkpatrick Fleming : 2 – Moffat : 2 – St Mungo and 1 each in the following Parishes Annan : Eskdale muir : Kitkmahoe : Lochmaben Mouswald : Ruthwell : Sanquhar MI for Kirkpatrick Juxta graveyard Correct location and birthdate but Its not much help other than to eliminate this one Adam JOHNSTON, tenant in Nether Hetheriehaugh, died 29th Dec 1765 age 50 Also 3 of his children Margaret ALLAN, spouse, died 5th May 1803 age 53 James their son died 8th May 1799 age 44 Cheers, Sandy From: Clifford Johnston <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012, 18:57 Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] JOHNSTON, James, b. 1755 Greetings from Sunny Texas, Lately we've had a wee bit of good luck and been extraordinarily busy tracing a promising lead that links our Y-DNA testing with documented family history. We are searching for a James Johnston, b. 1755 in the area of Dumfries/Moffatt, Scotland. In an year unknown James left for North America. His future wife, Frances Haley, has been found in Pennsylvania with her parents. It is likely that James was there too. Later, year unknown, James and his wife moved to South Carolina as did the Haley family. During the Revolutionary War James served with the noted General Francis Marion, "the Swamp Fox". Eventually James and his family moved to the Sumter, Georgia, area. James and his wife are well documented in SC and GA; however, it gets a wee bit sketchy before this time. Some years ago a cousin of mine talked with a distant relation who claimed to have letters written by James in which he mentions both Dumfries and Moffatt. Unfortunately James did not mention where he was born. Any help finding our James Johnston, b. 1755 in the Borders will be appreciated. Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found out soon after my original post here that James left some money to his mother who was still living at the time (1832) in Lochmaben! Cliff. From: Sandy Pittendreigh [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:43 AM To: Clifford Johnston; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] JOHNSTON, James, b. 1755 Hi You may have some difficulty sorting out the correct James from the Johnstone births in Dumfriesshire at this time. You may already have done this using the free search on Scotlandspeople. According to Scotlandspeople the Dumfriesshire OPRs for the period 1750 – 1760 record 22 James Johnstone births. 3 – Dumfries : 3 – Gretna : 3 - Kirkpatrick Juxta 2 – Kirkpatrick Fleming : 2 – Moffat : 2 – St Mungo and 1 each in the following Parishes Annan : Eskdale muir : Kitkmahoe : Lochmaben Mouswald : Ruthwell : Sanquhar MI for Kirkpatrick Juxta graveyard Correct location and birthdate but Its not much help other than to eliminate this one Adam JOHNSTON, tenant in Nether Hetheriehaugh, died 29th Dec 1765 age 50 Also 3 of his children Margaret ALLAN, spouse, died 5th May 1803 age 53 James their son died 8th May 1799 age 44 Cheers, Sandy From: Clifford Johnston <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012, 18:57 Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] JOHNSTON, James, b. 1755 Greetings from Sunny Texas, Lately we've had a wee bit of good luck and been extraordinarily busy tracing a promising lead that links our Y-DNA testing with documented family history. We are searching for a James Johnston, b. 1755 in the area of Dumfries/Moffatt, Scotland. In an year unknown James left for North America. His future wife, Frances Haley, has been found in Pennsylvania with her parents. It is likely that James was there too. Later, year unknown, James and his wife moved to South Carolina as did the Haley family. During the Revolutionary War James served with the noted General Francis Marion, "the Swamp Fox". Eventually James and his family moved to the Sumter, Georgia, area. James and his wife are well documented in SC and GA; however, it gets a wee bit sketchy before this time. Some years ago a cousin of mine talked with a distant relation who claimed to have letters written by James in which he mentions both Dumfries and Moffatt. Unfortunately James did not mention where he was born. Any help finding our James Johnston, b. 1755 in the Borders will be appreciated. Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi You may have some difficulty sorting out the correct James from the Johnstone births in Dumfriesshire at this time.You may already have done this using the free search on Scotlandspeople. According to Scotlandspeople the Dumfriesshire OPRs for the period 1750 – 1760 record 22 James Johnstone births.  3 – Dumfries   :   3 – Gretna   :   3 - Kirkpatrick Juxta 2 – Kirkpatrick Fleming   :   2 – Moffat   :   2 – St Mungo and 1 each in the following Parishes Annan   :   Eskdale muir   :   Kitkmahoe   :   Lochmaben Mouswald   :   Ruthwell   :   Sanquhar Correct location and birthdate but Its not much help other than to eliminate this one Adam JOHNSTON, tenant in Nether Hetheriehaugh, died 29th Dec 1765 age 50   Also 3 of his children  Margaret ALLAN, spouse, died 5th May 1803 age 53   James their son died 8th May 1799 age 44    Cheers,  Sandy From: Clifford Johnston <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012, 18:57 Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] JOHNSTON, James, b. 1755 Greetings from Sunny Texas, Lately we've had a wee bit of good luck and been extraordinarily busy tracing a promising lead that links our Y-DNA testing with documented family history.  We are searching for a James Johnston, b. 1755 in the area of Dumfries/Moffatt, Scotland. In an year unknown James left for North America.  His future wife, Frances Haley, has been found in Pennsylvania with her parents.  It is likely that James was there too.  Later, year unknown, James and his wife moved to South Carolina as did the Haley family.  During the Revolutionary War James served with the noted General Francis Marion, "the Swamp Fox".  Eventually James and his family moved to the Sumter, Georgia, area.  James and his wife are well documented in SC and GA; however, it gets a wee bit sketchy before this time.  Some years ago a cousin of mine talked with a distant relation who claimed to have letters written by James in which he mentions both Dumfries and Moffatt.  Unfortunately James did not mention where he was born. Any help finding our James Johnston, b. 1755 in the Borders will be appreciated. Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message MI for Kirkpatrick Juxta graveyard

Greetings from Sunny Texas, Lately we've had a wee bit of good luck and been extraordinarily busy tracing a promising lead that links our Y-DNA testing with documented family history. We are searching for a James Johnston, b. 1755 in the area of Dumfries/Moffatt, Scotland. In an year unknown James left for North America. His future wife, Frances Haley, has been found in Pennsylvania with her parents. It is likely that James was there too. Later, year unknown, James and his wife moved to South Carolina as did the Haley family. During the Revolutionary War James served with the noted General Francis Marion, "the Swamp Fox". Eventually James and his family moved to the Sumter, Georgia, area. James and his wife are well documented in SC and GA; however, it gets a wee bit sketchy before this time. Some years ago a cousin of mine talked with a distant relation who claimed to have letters written by James in which he mentions both Dumfries and Moffatt. Unfortunately James did not mention where he was born. Any help finding our James Johnston, b. 1755 in the Borders will be appreciated. Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston

Hello: Thank you for the responses. My intention was to ask if anyone had requested an copy of an existing pedigree and to see what if any advice list members would suggest to me. I want to request a pedigree which I found references to in a source about the McDonell of Leek. I am descendant of this family and my intention is to compare my work so far with that pedigree. A decade ago I received copy of the 'Pedigree Ross of Balsarroch' from Admiral Maurice Ross (a distant cousin). I am descendant of this family and I was able to confirm ,many relationships. I also found an error in my line which I am in the process of documenting to submit to the Lord Lyons office. Regards, Ron On S

Hi I helped a friend submit a pedigree to the Lord Lyon office in the 1990s. It had to go through her solicitor in Edinburgh and she had to produce a 3 generation fully certificated tree. So it's maybe like everything else .....post 1855 will be OK but pre-1855 might have a bit of wishful thinking <g> Irene On 20 May 2012 10:29, Gordon Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Ron - the Lord Lyon requires anyone asking for a coat of arms to submit > a pedigree so that the Lord Lyon can devise a coat of arms relevant to > that person, thus any pedigree from the Lord Lyons office is only as > good as the submitter put in. It is NOT a product of the Lord Lyon. > All the best, > Gordon. > > On 20/05/2012 08:01, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Pedigrees from Lord Lyons Office (Ron Zinck) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 11:13:30 -0400 > > From: Ron Zinck<[email protected]> > > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Pedigrees from Lord Lyons Office > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: > > <CAHMn1wBUwNGBG1oMcsQO93F0_9diLRGRVBRcD=QXv= > [email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Hello: > > > > Has anyone on the list requested and received a pedigree from the Lord > > Lyons Office? I would be interested in your experience and suggestions. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ron > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email > to [email protected] > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 61 > > ************************************************ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ron - the Lord Lyon requires anyone asking for a coat of arms to submit a pedigree so that the Lord Lyon can devise a coat of arms relevant to that person, thus any pedigree from the Lord Lyons office is only as good as the submitter put in. It is NOT a product of the Lord Lyon. All the best, Gordon. On 20/05/2012 08:01, [email protected] wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Pedigrees from Lord Lyons Office (Ron Zinck) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 11:13:30 -0400 > From: Ron Zinck<[email protected]> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Pedigrees from Lord Lyons Office > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello: > > Has anyone on the list requested and received a pedigree from the Lord > Lyons Office? I would be interested in your experience and suggestions. > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to DUMFRIES[email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 61 > ************************************************

Hello: Has anyone on the list requested and received a pedigree from the Lord Lyons Office? I would be interested in your experience and suggestions. Thanks, Ron

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CHANGE MY ADDRESS 5-15-12 W.DONALD CRAWFORD [email protected] 704-739-7616 103 E. PIEDMONT AVE. KINGS MOUNTAIN NC 28086 W.DONALD CRAWFORD [email protected] 704-739-7616 103 E. PIEDMONT AVE. KINGS MOUNTAIN NC 28086 ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:02 AM Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 50 Today's Topics:   1. Re: King Street, Castle Douglas (Graeme Fisher) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:18:10 +1000 From: "Graeme Fisher" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] King Street, Castle Douglas To: "'Vanessa Dixon'" <[email protected]>,     <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" Hello everyone I hope I am not abusing your email system. My name is Graeme Fisher and I live in Sydney, Australia. I am visiting the UK in June and have been trying to trace my family history, which I have done back to the mid 18th century and it seems it all started in or near Dumfries. A John Fisher was born in 1773 in Holywood, Dumfries-shire and his son, also a John (Robert) Fisher, migrated to Adelaide in 1838 with his wife Hannah ( Nee Roden) I am trying to find out more about them and was hoping someone reading this may be able to help. I hope this request is not inappropriate Kind regards to all Graeme Fisher ------------------------------ To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 50 ************************************************

W.DONALD CRAWFORD [email protected] 704-739-7616 103 E. PIEDMONT AVE. KINGS MOUNTAIN NC 28086 ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 3:01 AM Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 52 Today's Topics:   1. FISHER / RODAN family to SOuth Australia (Beverley-Anne Rodan)   2. Jardines - Brydekirk, Annan and Canonbie (Kerry Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 20:29:21 +1000 From: Beverley-Anne Rodan <[email protected]> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] FISHER / RODAN family to SOuth Australia To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Graeme, Hannah FISHER nee RODAN is my great X 5? aunt. I would love to share information on the RODAN family with you and any other person on the Dumfries list Regards Beverley-Anne Rodan > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:18:10 +1000 > From: "Graeme Fisher" <[email protected]> > > > Hello everyone > > I hope I am not abusing your email system. > > My name is Graeme Fisher and I live in Sydney, Australia. I am visiting the > UK in June and have been trying to trace my family history, which I have > done back to the mid 18th century and it seems it all started in or near > Dumfries. > > A John Fisher was born in 1773 in Holywood, Dumfries-shire and his son, also > a John (Robert) Fisher, migrated to Adelaide in 1838 with his wife Hannah ( > Nee Roden) > > I am trying to find out more about them and was hoping someone reading this > may be able to help. > > I hope this request is not inappropriate > > Kind regards to all > > Graeme Fisher > > > > ************************************************ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:28:04 +1000 From: "Kerry Johnson" <[email protected]> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Jardines - Brydekirk, Annan and Canonbie To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all, Researching Jardines from this area: My father was James Jardine son of     William Harkness Jardine (1/2/1877)  and Margaret McGuire (mothers maiden name was McElhinney) Married Glasgow 12/9/1908 William Harkness Jardine was son of Andrew Jeffrey Jardine and Elizabeth Harkness Thats where it gets cloudy     Andrew Jardine b. 1836 was the son of James Jardine and Jane(t) Jeffrey (Jaffrey)? Elizabeth Harkness was the daughter of Robert Harkness and Janet Jardine (Canonbie) b. 15/1/1812 My father had three sisters and three (?) brothers. We are hoping to get a better history together before travelling to Scotland next year for a Jardine Clan Re-union. ------------------------------ To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 52 ************************************************

CHANGE MY ADDRESS 5-15-12 W.DONALD CRAWFORD [email protected] 704-739-7616 103 E. PIEDMONT AVE. KINGS MOUNTAIN NC 28086 W.DONALD CRAWFORD [email protected] 704-739-7616 103 E. PIEDMONT AVE. KINGS MOUNTAIN NC 28086 ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 3:01 AM Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53 Today's Topics:   1. Thorat, Lindsay (Irene Mitchell)   2. Re: Thorat, Lindsay ([email protected])   3. Re: Thorat, Lindsay (Irene Mitchell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:21:59 -0700 From: "Irene Mitchell" <[email protected]> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Thorat, Lindsay To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" Can anyone help?  Transcribers almost always have trouble with the surname Thurot or Thorat, which is in my ancestral line.  The particular Mary Ann Thurot or Thorat of this enquiry was born in Kirkbean parish, but lived most of her life in Dalbeattie.  She died at 166, High Street, Dalbeattie, on 24 January 1885, apparently a pauper and single.  Her age changes widely in every Census record!  Single or not, she appears to have had at least two children, the second of whom was a daughter named Mary Ann Lindsay, who appears with her in several Census records.  This daughter, Mary Ann Lindsay, is shown in the I.G.I. to have given birth (illegitimately) to Robert Calvert or Lindsay in 1854, followed by 6 sons after 1855, all with the surname Lindsay. Where I need help, is that the Ancestry version of the 1861 Census has made a poor job of transcribing the various surnames, and I've been trying to bring up this Census record on Scotlandspeople so that I can see for myself the actual image of the Census page.  Trouble is, that Scotlandspeople does not recognise any of these surnames below, and I've tried various combinations but don't seem to be getting anywhere.  Surely with all this information, I should be able to locate the page! The 1861 Source Citation: Parish: Dalbeattie; ED: 5; Page: 4; Line: 2; Roll: CSSCT1861_146. Mary Ann Thiret  Age:  69  Est. Birth Year:  abt 1792 : Head :  F  : b. Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbrightshire Registration No. 864  Reg. Dist.  Dalbeattie  Civil parish:  Dalbeattie  Town:  Dalbeattie  County:  Kirkcudbrightshire Address:  High Street    Occupation:  Formerly Dom (pauper) Servant ED:  5  Household schedule number:  25  Line:  2  Roll:  CSSCT1861_146 Mary Ann Thiret  69  [Surname may be Thurot or Thorat -- or even Thurret] Mary Ann Geadsay  23  daur c 1838  Dalbeattie [surname Lindsay - her age is 28 not 23] John Geadsay  9  grandson c 1852 Dalbeattie [Lindsay? - no birth record] Robert Calcut  7  grandson  c 1854, Dalbeattie [There is a birth record for Robert Calvert or Lindsay, 1854] James Ohara  2  grandson  c 1859, Dalbeattie  [IGI shows James Lindsay b. 1859] Any assistance would be really appreciated. Thanks, Irene ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:49:22 -0400 (EDT) From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Thorat, Lindsay To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Irene I think you'll find her under THURIT. Regards Don Grant SCOON One Name Study (GoONS #5642) In a message dated 27/04/2012 23:26:57 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected]  writes: Can  anyone help?  Transcribers almost always have trouble with the  surname Thurot or Thorat, which is in my ancestral line.  The particular  Mary Ann Thurot or Thorat of this enquiry was born in Kirkbean parish, but  lived most of her life in Dalbeattie.  She died at 166, High Street,  Dalbeattie, on 24 January 1885, apparently a pauper and single.  Her age  changes widely in every Census record!  Single or not, she appears to  have had at least two children, the second of whom was a daughter named Mary  Ann Lindsay, who appears with her in several Census records.  This  daughter, Mary Ann Lindsay, is shown in the I.G.I. to have given birth  (illegitimately) to Robert Calvert or Lindsay in 1854, followed by 6 sons  after 1855, all with the surname Lindsay. Where I need help, is that  the Ancestry version of the 1861 Census has made a poor job of transcribing  the various surnames, and I've been trying to bring up this Census record on  Scotlandspeople so that I can see for myself the actual image of the Census  page.  Trouble is, that Scotlandspeople does not recognise any of these  surnames below, and I've tried various combinations but don't seem to be  getting anywhere.  Surely with all this information, I should be able to  locate the page! The 1861 Source Citation: Parish: Dalbeattie; ED: 5;  Page: 4; Line: 2; Roll: CSSCT1861_146. Mary Ann Thiret    Age:  69  Est. Birth Year:  abt 1792 : Head :  F  : b. Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbrightshire Registration No. 864  Reg.  Dist.  Dalbeattie  Civil parish:  Dalbeattie  Town:  Dalbeattie  County:  Kirkcudbrightshire Address:  High  Street    Occupation:  Formerly Dom (pauper)  Servant ED:  5  Household schedule number:  25  Line:  2  Roll:  CSSCT1861_146 Mary Ann Thiret  69  [Surname may be Thurot or Thorat -- or even Thurret] Mary Ann  Geadsay  23  daur c 1838  Dalbeattie [surname Lindsay - her age  is 28 not 23] John Geadsay  9  grandson c 1852 Dalbeattie  [Lindsay? - no birth record] Robert Calcut  7  grandson  c  1854, Dalbeattie [There is a birth record for Robert Calvert or Lindsay,  1854] James Ohara  2  grandson  c 1859,  Dalbeattie  [IGI shows James Lindsay b. 1859] Any assistance would  be really  appreciated. Thanks, Irene ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to  [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the  quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:03:38 -0700 From: "Irene Mitchell" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Thorat, Lindsay To: <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks a lot, Don.  I've now downloaded the Census from Scotlandspeople. Irene   ----- Original Message -----   From: [email protected]   To: [email protected]   Cc: [email protected]   Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:49 PM   Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Thorat, Lindsay   Hi Irene   I think you'll find her under THURIT.   Regards   Don Grant ------------------------------ To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 53 ************************************************