Hello Alison, (and List) As part of the discussion on the disposal of gifted (found) family trees, you said, > I have also obtained copies of family trees which do > not necesasarily have sources from the Dumfries and Galloway FHS. It's worth > contacting them to see if they would like them. > If that was recently, I'm surprised to hear it. Dumfries and Galloway have had to totally review their policy on retaining old style family trees because of the latest European directives associated with the Data Protection act. Our new policy is that we will hold only pedigree charts submitted by members who have given written permission for their charts to be made available to other members for research purposes. As for the sources, the submitter should have these and be able to supply that information to the enquirer so that can verify the data they have been given. The DGFH Society is merely as a bureau facilitating the connection between member and member. Our website at www.dgfhs.org.uk has a button linking to the pedigree charts index and the full explanation as to how the new system works is given there. These regulations have lead us to review all our old charts and data left with left with us, we find we can't legally use them so we are currently considering ways of getting proper authorisation for the quality material giving sources and how to disposed of the rest that has accumulated over the years. I can't claim to speak for DGFHS but so as far as the items that started the discussion are concerned I don't think contacting DGFHS would be all that helpful. Other UK FHSs are no doubt faced with the same problem we have. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The general discussion on the value of sources is was intersting. Here is my take on it: There is a 'mantra' in genealogical and historical research and it will be found in many books and booklets on the subject -- "Check Your Sources" -- and the closest you can get to Primary Sources the better. Any other policy isn't really research, it is closer to imaginative reconstruction, which has value in its own right but has more to do with entertainment. Burns used a saying which I have to paraphrase (i.e. imaginatively reconstruct it because I can't find the source, but no doubt somebody can): FACTS ARE CHEILDS THAT DINNA DING Sandy

The Scottish genealogical Society have all sorts of family information in their library, for mmembers to consult. They may well be interested. I have also obtained copies of family trees which do not necesasarily have sources from the Dumfries and Galloway FHS. It's worth contacting them to see if they would like them. Aliso

> > > From: sconzani@ihug.co.nz > Date: 11 June 2004 04:21:50 BST > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Langholm and Canonbie Headstone inscriptions > > > Greetings listers > I'm researching Rae/Rea ancestors who lived at both Langholm > and Canonbie, but here on the other side of the world, have > been unable to find anything that gives me headstone > inscriptions for cemeteries in either place. > Can some kind soul point me to any online lists, or is > anyone able to do look-ups please? > Thanks > Annie > Auckland, New Zealand > > ______________________________ > Would Aurther Rae of Orchard be connected or of interest? I'll send more details if so. Bruce

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And if he was 'the most meticulous of researchers',he may have intended it for his own benefit and so didn't list his sources. Nontheless it is a lot of work to be simply tossed in the bin. If anyone can see a name from their own tree listed therein it could at least offer a clue that,somewhere,there may be material that may help prove a point. After all what of the stories that you might have heard from your father or grandfather which are only so much heresay with no listed proof.From my point of view everything pertaining to my family whether hearsay,rumours,and even downright lies,I want to know. Ian Ritchie ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lowlandscot@aol.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] re: family records > In a message dated 11/06/2004 01:06:02 GMT Daylight Time, > marcher51@sbcglobal.net writes: > > > I was given by a friend who had no use for it, a collection of large charts > > of different families. It looks like a large volumn, but when you open it, > > it is two pockets, one on each side that holds the folded charts. The charts > > are abt. 4x legal paper. I think they are comparable to ahnentafel > > outlines or reports that we see nowadays. Any comments appreciated. > > > > The problem with charts is that there are (presumably) no sources, and thus > no evidence that the relationships depicted are anything more than, at worst, > wishful thinking. Alexander Cowan could be the most meticulous of researchers > or the type who wants to be linked to landed gentry and has amassed a list of > dates chosen to make his theories fit. > > What to do with them? To be honest unless you've been inundated with > requests from 'cousins' on the list I'd bin them (all nasty comments can be sent to > me off-list <LOL>) Without sources the charts are not worth the paper they are > written on. Your FHS won't thank you for them. Almost all FHS have limited > storage space and anything in the filing cabinets has to earn its keep by being > of use to the members of the FHS and without sources and an index these charts > are worthless. One option could be to key the data into a database and upload > it onto a genealogy site like rootsweb..making clear where it came from and > that there is no one to contact for further information. > > Irene > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ********************************** > YOU HAVE ENTERED A FLAME FREE ZONE > ********************************** >

Re-sending this - I never recd it back again via the List and wonder if it ever went. If it did, sorry to repeat the exercise. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Swallow To: Dumfries Galloway List Cc: Lowlandscot@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: Swallows in Jonestonebridge? Greetings! My g/uncle George Lawson SWALLOW was born Cummertrees ca.1848 (according to the 1891 census) and christened Kirkandrews upon Esk, Cumberland, 7 April 1848 (according to the IGI). His own life story, recorded on his retirement, says he was "an honourable native of Johnstone Bridge, near Moffat". I have not found any Swallows at Cummertrees, though there was a branch at nearby Dornock (researched by Irene, for which thanks!). Has anyone come across any Swallows in Johnstonebridge around the 1850s? (This George Lawson Swallow spent his early youth at sea, then married in Newcastle on Tyne in 1871.) A long shot but worth a try! Best wishes etc. Ken (Swallow)

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In a message dated 11/06/2004 20:18:30 GMT Daylight Time, ken.swallow@virgin.net writes: > Re-sending this - I never recd it back again via the List and wonder if it > ever went. If it did, sorry to repeat the exercise. Ken, I did see it earlier but you got ZERO responses. I have just this minute ran SWALLOW through the DGFHS database I mention in my earlier response to Annie, who was looking for RAE/REA. Out of the three-thousand-three-hundred names we have recorded from MIs throughout Dumfries and Galloway there isn't a single occurrence of SWALLOW. Sandy

Dear fellow listers, Last June I completed 32 miles of this event, and am hoping to complete the challenge this year, in a charity walk for the Scottish Community Foundation, who organise the funding of social projects in Scotland. Walking from Fort William down to Ardlui on Loch Lomond, I will attempt to complete 54 miles of the West Highland Way, a long distance footpath via Glen Nevis, Glencoe and Rannoch Moor See the walk web site at www.caledonianchallenge.co.uk/ and the charity site www.scottishcomfound.org.uk for more details I wondered if any of you with family connections to Scotland would be willing to sponsor me for this very worthwhile cause. Hoping you can do something to help - if so please contact me off-list to arrange. Caroline Campbell Yeo >> RESEARCHING: >> >> DEWAR, CAMPBELL, ROBERTSON, STARK, THOM(P)SON, Lanarkshire >> ANDERSON, HENDERSON, THOM(P)SON, RANKIN, Stirlingshire >> CAMPBELL, ROBERTSON, STARK, CROMPTON, Perthshire >> DALLAS, GRANT, CRAIG, HAY, Aberdeen/Nairn >> MCFARLANE, MCLACHLAN, Argyllshire, Dumbarton? >> CAVET(T) Dumfriesshire, Glamorgan, Middlesex

Greetings listers I'm researching Rae/Rea ancestors who lived at both Langholm and Canonbie, but here on the other side of the world, have been unable to find anything that gives me headstone inscriptions for cemeteries in either place. Can some kind soul point me to any online lists, or is anyone able to do look-ups please? Thanks Annie Auckland, New Zealand

Hi Christa, You wrote: "I realise that true genealogist want to have the source of information documented BUT I often find that family charts like you have described are a very useful starting place when you begin researching a family history. I would hate to think that someone's work was just going to be lost." I totally agree. In any event I think that there is a lot of nonsense talked about this. Leaving aside DNA testing which would be too expensive for most of us, the only person, who may be able, to tell you who your father, was is your mother, and in many circumstances she may not be certain. By that I'm not meaning to impune anyone's ancestry, just facing the facts of life. I know, I've had examples of it in my own family tree. What's shown on my family tree is what the record shows but don't fool yoursef that its fact, because it isn't, just like any other history. It is, as Napoleon Bonepart said, " History is just a myth that has been agreed on". There are no facts. Regards Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christa Le Vine" <christalevine@btinternet.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: [D-G LIST] family records > > I realise that true genealogist want to have the source of information > documented BUT I often find that family charts like you have described are a > very useful starting place when you begin researching a family history. I > would hate to think that someone's work was just going to be lost. > > Have you tried offering them to a local library? When I visited the Dumfries > library last year they had some hand written notes on Robert TROTTER who is > someone I am researching. I used the information to locate one of my > families in the Scottish census. > > You could include a letter with the charts saying that there is no source > documentation available. > > best of luck > > Christa Le Vine > > > -----Original Message----- > From: marcher51@sbcglobal.net [mailto:marcher51@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: 11 June 2004 01:05 > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [D-G LIST] re: family records > > > I was given by a friend who had no use for it, a collection of large charts > of different families. It looks like a large volumn, but when you open it, > it is two pockets, one on each side that holds the folded charts. The > charts are abt. 4x legal paper. I think they are comparable to ahnentafel > outlines or reports that we see nowadays. Any comments appreciated. > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > FIND YOUR ANCESTORS > http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ >

I realise that true genealogist want to have the source of information documented BUT I often find that family charts like you have described are a very useful starting place when you begin researching a family history. I would hate to think that someone's work was just going to be lost. Have you tried offering them to a local library? When I visited the Dumfries library last year they had some hand written notes on Robert TROTTER who is someone I am researching. I used the information to locate one of my families in the Scottish census. You could include a letter with the charts saying that there is no source documentation available. best of luck Christa Le Vine -----Original Message----- From: marcher51@sbcglobal.net [mailto:marcher51@sbcglobal.net] Sent: 11 June 2004 01:05 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [D-G LIST] re: family records I was given by a friend who had no use for it, a collection of large charts of different families. It looks like a large volumn, but when you open it, it is two pockets, one on each side that holds the folded charts. The charts are abt. 4x legal paper. I think they are comparable to ahnentafel outlines or reports that we see nowadays. Any comments appreciated.

Hi Jeff Anything's possible. It could have been that Janat Gibson was the sister of her first husband. > Hello all, > > I have found in the 1841 Census what might be a double entry for one person. Janat Carruthers (40) and Janat Gibson (40) both live at the same address. I have reason to believe that Janat Carruthers was married to a Mr. Gibson before she married John Carruthers. Mr. Gibson seems to have passed away or was other wise out of the picture by 1827 though. Would the census taker have put her in twice for this reason? Or is it more likely that there were two Janats the same age at the same address? > > Jeffery Davidson > Calgary, Canada > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > DO NOT send files as Email attachments to the list. > Send them privately - person to person. > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > >

Would the person who posted the information about the ALEXANDER COWAN, HIS KINFOLK AND CONNECTIONS check to see if there is any mention of three COWAN brothers (James, John and Francis) who left Scotland in the 1770's and went to Newfoundland. They all married in NFLD--James in 1780, John in 1770, and Francis in 1772 so I would presume John and Francis were born c 1750, and James perhaps, a little later. Many thanks for any help you can give, Dot W.

I for one, am very interested in these charts, documented or not. This is the first time I have seen two of my D-G ancestors surnames listed together in one work. I would love to have a photocopy of these charts. Is that possible? I have a really old computer that can't accept attachments anymore. But I would be willing to pay for copy and mailing expenses. If the charts were put into a Rootsweb site, would they be in their original form, or transcribed form. I found once that the style/way that something was recorded had significance that was not immediately recognizable. If the bare facts were taken and just typed they would have lost this significance. I hope this is making sense. Bottom line for me is I would not agree with sending these charts to the dust bin. One little gem of info can open up a whole new line for someone. Good hunting to you all, Janice in Idaho, USA

In a message dated 11/06/2004 04:22:34 GMT Daylight Time, sconzani@ihug.co.nz writes: > Greetings listers > I'm researching Rae/Rea ancestors who lived at both Langholm > and Canonbie, but here on the other side of the world, have > been unable to find anything that gives me headstone > inscriptions for cemeteries in either place. > Can some kind soul point me to any online lists, or is > anyone able to do look-ups please? > Thanks > Annie > Auckland, New Zealand > DGFHS are working on a project to put every known MI for Dumfries and Galloway on to an MS ACCESS database. The idea being that the researcher enters a Name and gets a report of every occurrence of that name in Dumfries and Galloway. As you would expect it is a massive task and will take a long time. It has been ongoing for around 18 months and the database already holds 12,000 different monumental inscriptions, listing 54,000 instances of 3,300 different surnames (including variations). The catch, if it is one, is that it that is a research tool available only to members. Members who can't visit the REsearch Centre can e-mail their Family Name Interests and receive an e-mail attachment of the report listing the full MI of every occurrence of that name in the database. Taking Annie's query a search finds 111 monuments listing 238 RAE references. The database lists only 2 monuments with REA and these are in Langholm. Interstingly, both RAE and REA appear on the first listed stone. This REA spelling may be a mason's error, I can personally verify that it is not an error by the transcriber of the stone. Here are the full inscriptions for both stones: Location: Wauchope Cemetery, Langholm, Dumfriesshire Arthur REA, the Tennant [sic] in Stubholm, who died 19th March 1788 aged 77 years Also Agnes STOTHERT his wife, who died 14th December 1779 aged 66 years And their son Thomas, died in infancy [Reverse of stone] In Memory of Arthur RAE, who died at Langholm 24th February 1899 aged 57 years Also Mary MacKENZIE his wife, who died 2nd December 1879 aged 29 years Also Jane and James their children, who died in infancy Also Agnes Clark RAE their daughter, who died 14th November 1911 aged 36 years Summary: Surname Forenames Death Birth MacKenzie Mary 1879 1850 Rae Agnes Clark 1911 1875 Rae Arthur 1899 1842 Rae James Rae Jane Rea Arthur 1788 1711 Rea Thomas Stothert Agnes 1779 1713 Location: Langholm (Old) Cemetery, Dumfriesshire Interred here John ARMSTRONG, Tenant in Middleholm, who died 25th June 1824 aged 79 years And Janet REA, wife to John ARMSTRONG, who died 28th December [----] aged 42 years And Elizabeth their daughter, who died 2nd April 1802 aged 1 year and 5 months Summary: Surname Forenames Death Birth Armstrong Elizabeth 1802 1800 Armstrong John 1824 1745 Rea Janet Sorry, I can not offer a photograph this time (not jus yet anyway).. For photograhs of graveyards and gravestones see http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~dfsgal/  Sandy

Definitely the family records should be kept although they are not 'documented'. A website or possibly an addition to Rootsweb's site would be a good solution and an easy site to remember. Many of us have knowledge of our families that cannot be documented. Some records simply do not exist before a certain time period. Those who possess old family letters, ledgers, and clippings from unidentified newspapers know with a certainty that they apply to our family, however, it is not 'proof' for the dedicated genealogist. Many have labored for years to find their roots and have compiled remarkable booklets detailing the family for centuries only to find that because they could not obtain a birthcertificate for 1801 all the information regarding that person is suspect. I believe this remarkable set of family records could provide information available nowhere else. At least it will possibly flesh out some 'family lore' passed down for generations. It is somewhat like having a photograph of a particular relative, knowing his name, family, etc. but he does not officially exist because no scrap of legal documentation exists today. I think all of us have found records in the LDS that are not accurate but are being used over and over again as gospel. The submitters often do not have records but have relied upon information supplied by family members who may not have had correct knowledge in the first place. Census records are notoriously inaccurate because of false information given, many times simply because the person being interviewed did not remember a specific year. These records may clear up discrepancies. Sometimes the final piece in the puzzle comes from unusual sources. Barb

In a message dated 11/06/2004 01:06:02 GMT Daylight Time, marcher51@sbcglobal.net writes: > I was given by a friend who had no use for it, a collection of large charts > of different families. It looks like a large volumn, but when you open it, > it is two pockets, one on each side that holds the folded charts. The charts > are abt. 4x legal paper. I think they are comparable to ahnentafel > outlines or reports that we see nowadays. Any comments appreciated. > The problem with charts is that there are (presumably) no sources, and thus no evidence that the relationships depicted are anything more than, at worst, wishful thinking. Alexander Cowan could be the most meticulous of researchers or the type who wants to be linked to landed gentry and has amassed a list of dates chosen to make his theories fit. What to do with them? To be honest unless you've been inundated with requests from 'cousins' on the list I'd bin them (all nasty comments can be sent to me off-list <LOL>) Without sources the charts are not worth the paper they are written on. Your FHS won't thank you for them. Almost all FHS have limited storage space and anything in the filing cabinets has to earn its keep by being of use to the members of the FHS and without sources and an index these charts are worthless. One option could be to key the data into a database and upload it onto a genealogy site like rootsweb..making clear where it came from and that there is no one to contact for further information. Irene

In a message dated 10/06/2004 15:38:05 GMT Daylight Time, jdavidson@rathandcompany.com writes: > I have found in the 1841 Census what might be a double entry for one > person. Janat Carruthers (40) and Janat Gibson (40) both live at the same address. > I have reason to believe that Janat Carruthers was married to a Mr. Gibson > before she married John Carruthers. Mr. Gibson seems to have passed away or > was other wise out of the picture by 1827 though. Would the census taker > have put her in twice for this reason? Or is it more likely that there were two > Janats the same age at the same address? > It will be two women not the same woman entered twice. As Ella suggested Janat Gibson might be the sister of the first husband of Janat Carruthers..or even the wife of a brother of Mr Gibson..there being no indication of relationships or marital status in 1841. And of course they are not necessarily the same age since the ages of adults in 1841 was rounded down ..so one could be as young as 40 and the other about to turn 45 later in the year. Irene

I was given by a friend who had no use for it, a collection of large charts of different families. It looks like a large volumn, but when you open it, it is two pockets, one on each side that holds the folded charts. The charts are abt. 4x legal paper. I think they are comparable to ahnentafel outlines or reports that we see nowadays. Any comments appreciated. The title on the cover is ALEXANDER COWAN, HIS KINSFORK AND CONNECTIONS. The names of the charts are: 1. Cowan family. - descendants of a Richard Cowan or Kohan, Saltoun, md. Elspeth Fortune. They had son Charles , 1637-1717. 2. Forbes. Moir or More. Farquhar. - it says "This tree is drawn from a M.S. of Mr. Troup, late of Bridge of Allan, now in the Library of King's College, Aberdeen. Goes back to John de Forbes (possessed lands of Forbes in reign of William the Lyon). He was father of Alexander de Forbes "He defended the Castle of Urquhart against Edward I. of England, 1304, which was taken, and every of the defenders slain. - The Moir part goes back to John Moir, 1470-1516. - the Farquhar part goes back to Patrick of Norame, father of John of Noram. 3. Nairne. - goes back to Simon Nairne, d. 1552. md. Elizabeth Auchmuty. 4. Wood. - goes back to Alexander Wood, in Carmurie. md. 1650 Agnes, dr. of John Pearson, Elie. Another part goes back to William Wood. md. Helen Arnot, parents of Admiral, Sir Andrew, d. 1521. 1st laird of Largo., md. Elizabeth Lundin or Lundie before 1487. 5. Nairne-Bell. - goes back to John Bell, d. 1798, aged 75. Tenant in Kilduncan, which he received from his uncle Andrew Bell, of Sandiehills, in 1730. married into names include Tod, Murray, Beatson, Marshall, and others. I didn't see any Nairnes. 6. Chalmers. Cowan. Pratt. Wright-Walker-Morrison. Mackenzie. - goes back to John Chalmers, d. 1705. Laird of Pitmeddan, and Richard Cowan & Elspeth Fortune and Captain James Pratt, 77th Athole Highlanders, Loyal Tay Fencibles, etc., and Rev. John Wright, Ordained Trinity Gask 1777. Translated to Scone 1793. d. 1794, aged 48, and the Mackenzie goes back to Alexander Iouraic, 7th Baron of Kintail. md. Margaret, dr. of Macdoughal of Morar. 7. Duncan Cowan. McFie. Wauchope or Wauhope. - goes back to Duncan Cowan, 28/3/1771--24/11/1848. md. 1/10/1803 Janet, dr. of Rev. Alexander Brodie, Carnbee, by Helen Pitcairn. She d. Moray House, 1824. The McFie goes back to "The clan being driven out from Colomsay and Oronsay by the MacDonalds, many of them came to Ayr and Renfrew. Robert Macfie, of Innerkip, came from Ayr in the 18th century and settled at Innerkip. He md. Mary Lyon. Their son was William, b. 1710. The Wauchope part goes back to Robert Wauchope of Niddrie. Mareschal. Built his own tomb, 1387. 8. Alexander Cowan. - goes back to Alexander Cowan, 1775-1859. (G.C.) md. 1800 his cousin, Elizabeth Hall, 1781-1829. (P.) [See Nairn Pedigree] 9. Pearson. - goes back to Adam, 1670-1745. Maltman in Kirkcaldy, fther of Andrew, 1697-1776. Malster. md. Margaret Christie. 10. Lundie-Duncan. Lundie-Menzies. Cowan-Newnham. - goes back to Johannes, d. 1652. M.A., King's Coll., Aberdeen, 1622; Regent, 1622-1628; "Humanist" (Prof. of Latin), 1629-1652; D.D., 1631. md. 1st Heline Gardine or Garden,d. 1647. The Lundie-Menzies goes back to Duncan Menzies. md. Jean Leslie, only dr. of James, Master of Rothes, whose grgrgranddau m. Rev. Henry Lundie. The Cowan-Newnham goes back to Rev. G. W. Newnham, Vicar of Coombe Down. md. 1st Helen Heath. md. 2nd Catherine Peneck Reid. md. 34d Harriet Helen White. 11. Menzies. Coldstream. McFarlan-Menzies. - goes back to William Menzies. Farmer and Boatbuilder, Kinghorn, father of Rev. William, 1763-1848. Licensed Kirkcaldy Presbytery, 1790. and Robert Coldstream, farmer, Brownlees, St. Andrews, father of Alexander, d. 1783, aet. 53. and John Warden, merchant in Falkirk, father of Rev. John, d. 1751 aged circa 84. m. Lic. Linlithgow Presbytery, 1697. Ord. Gargunnock, 1698 12. Cowan-Craig. Wilson-Cowan-Reid. Origin of Cowan. - goes back to Robert Craig, b. about 1755 in Perth. md. Annie Martin, dr. of (Episcopal) clergyman in Forres. and Joseph Wilson, father of Thomas, md. Miss Thorman, parents of William, 1769-1833. And, Adam, B.C. 4004-3074. md. Eve down to Shem, ancestor of the Semitic races. Ham, ancestor of the Negro races. Japhet, ancestor of the Aryan races, among whom we find Richard Cowan. 13. Constable. Willison. - goes back to Sir William Constable, "regicide,"who was attainted after his death, Yorkshire. His portrait with Mrs. Katherine Constable or Bruce, Braeburn Currie, parents of John of Kincaplel md. Isobel Green, parents of John, b. 1641. And James Willison, Craigforth, Stirling. md. Bethia Gourlay, parents of Rev. John, 1680-1750, minister in Brechin and South Church, Dundee. 14. Simpson. Booker. - goes back to John Simpson, 1683-1767, of Lonninghead. md. Catharine, 1684-1768. and John Booker, British Consul, father of John and Frances (who md. 1786 Robert Simpson. 15. Gillespie. Topham. - goes back to James Gillespie, 1647-1695, md. Isobel Paterson, 1641-1707. and Laurence Topham, of Caldberg, Yorkshire. Living in 1599. md. Isabel. 16. Brodie. Brodie-Gernet-Ramus. Brodie-Parry. - goes back to Rev. Alexander Brodie, from Moray (Moraviensis). Entered King's College, Aberdeen, 1677. and Pierre Ramus, 1515-1575. Directeur du College de Presle. Lecteur du Roi Charles IX, father of Pierre Francois. Dec. 1793. Pasteur a Vevey (Suisse). and William Parry who md. Hilda Spottiswoode Brodie. 17. Pitcairn. - goes back to John de Pitcarne of Pitcarne and Innernethy, 1250 1st Lord. 18. Royal Descent. - goes back to Robert de Brusi (descended from Eynard, Earl of Orkney, brother of Rollo, founder of Normandy, d. 912. It includes probably some tritie info including Flaald, descended from Aodh, King of Scotland, Earls of Moray, St. Clairs, Stewarts, Cunninghams, Murrays, Brodies and Cowans. 19. Carstaires-McCormick. Carstaires. Cook. - goes back to Capt. Edward M'Cormick of Castlecary, Ireland, md. Miss Gordon of Newark, who was descended from Robert the Bruce. Their son Rev. John, A.M., Edinburgh, 1710. Includes a lot oof surnames, including Hill, Cooper, Moody, Macintosh, Davidson, Sprot, Sturrock, Tulloch, Bell, Woodcock, Stewart, Cook, Macgregor, Carstaires, Brown, Dalrymple, Murray and McKnight. and Thomas Carstaires of Newgrange, Kilconquhar, md. before 1573, Agnes Imrie. And, Robert Cuke, infeft in lands in Pittenweem, 1537, father of Thomas d. abt. 1628. 20. McCormick-Hill-Cleghorn-Sprot. Sprot. - goes back to Capt. Edward M'Cormick and Miss Gordon. William Sprot in Yorktoun, md. 1696, Euphan Moffit. And, Hugh Cleghorn, d. 1836 21. Watson. Ker-Nairn-Watson. Crichton-Watson. - goes back to Rev. Peter Watson, 1520-1585. md. Christian Stanehouse. And, Rev. John Ker. Settled at Lyne and Meggat, Oct. 1593. and, Rev. Hugh Crichton, D.D., 1800-1871. And, Daniel MacFarlane died abt. 1843. 22. Bannerman-Watson. Duddingston-Cowan-Miller-Watson. Martin-Orr-Watson. - goes back to Rev. James Bannerman, d. 1747. and Bailie John Dudingston (I), 1703-1788. md. 31/1/63 Murray Cowan. And, John Martin, 1712 of Gordon's Mills, Aberdeen, and Robert Orr, about 1675-1725. Manufacturer, Paisley. 23. McVean. McLean. Luard. - goes back to Donald McVean Oig at Tiray, 1621, and Gilean, or Gileoin MacLean, (Servant of St. John"), "Ni Tuoidh," of the Battle-axe-now the family crest. Lived under Alexander III. Died before 1300. and, Jacques Luard. md. Eve Georget, parents of Abraham, b. 1635. md. Jeanne Bonnefoy. 24. Bell. Scott. - goes back to John Bell, d. before 1670. md. Sibilla. and William Scott of Meikledale, father of Eliza md. Thomas Bell above, and other children, James, Capt., Susanna md. Gilbert Richardson, Cather md. John Carruthers, and Mary.