In a message dated 24/06/2004 10:50:45 GMT Daylight Time, bmair@xtra.co.nz writes: > > Does anyone know why the Family History Site: > > www.dgfhs.org.uk > > is no longer accessible? > > And what does that portend? > > Brian Mair > Hamilton New Zealand From: DGFHS.Webmaster. It appears that our host ISP is upset about something I have done or not done and has pulled the plug on DGFHS, one of the sites I manage as volunteer webmaster. I'm trying to make contact with Freenetname to find out exactly why -- they pulled the plug without any warning. Attempts to contact them are getting nowhere fast. Freenetname has changed hands a few times since we signed our Pay-As -You-Go deal with them. This may be an attempt to scrap thsi sort of deal -- there again I could be just being cynical. If push come to shuv, I'll just port the whole lot to another host who is kinder to clients. The DGFH Society is very much alive and well and very busy with ongoing projects such as publishing a new series on Deaths and Burials abstrarted from OPRS. New MIs booklets are in the pipeline, the members July Newsletters is currently at the printer and will be out in the firs week of July. Our Research Centre is very busy with vistors from, especial since summer has deserted us for the last week and it is a nice pleasant place to be when it rains. Please watch this space -- I'm determined to get it sorted. Why have they picked on us I also manage www.safhs.org.uk and www.pitt-dds.co.uk all hosted by Freenetname and they are all running? I'm working on it Regards to all, Sandy

The 1841 census for Dumfries & Galloway was prepared by volunteers of Dumfries & Galloway Family History Society. The individual books for each parish are available for a very modest cost, which is aimed simply at recovering the costs of publishing. Repeating the exercise is undermining the tremendous efforts of these volunteers, who have spent years working on this project, which is now complete. See www.dgfhs.org.uk for details. By all means work on those that have not been transcribed. That will be very helpful. Trying to undermine any family history society will be of no benefit to any researcher and may do great harm in the long term. Rene Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <folley@optusnet.com.au> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: [D-G LIST] Dumfrieshire 1841 Cunsus. > To all that receive the list . > > Irene has had a negative shot at the FREE CENSUS PROJECT by stating that it > all goes on line later in the year.. > > That may be so but it will cost $$$ to look at.. > > The FREE Census project aims to have all the Censuses online and searchable > at no cost to the user. > > So please before you fire the gun try and find out what the Free census > project is all about.. > > Cliff Kerr > Australia > > Coordinator 1841 Dumfrieshire Free Census Project. > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > If your line involves the surname GRAHAM why not join > CLAN-GRAHAM-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >

Must concur with Rene. Why can't the Free Census Project work on 1801, 1811, 1831, 1861 or 1871. And re-do 1841, 1881, 1891, 1901 when the rest are done. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene Anderson" <rene_anderson@onetel.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:33 AM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Dumfrieshire 1841 Census. > The 1841 census for Dumfries & Galloway was prepared by volunteers of > Dumfries & Galloway Family History Society. The individual books for each > parish are available for a very modest cost, which is aimed simply at > recovering the costs of publishing. > > Repeating the exercise is undermining the tremendous efforts of these > volunteers, who have spent years working on this project, which is now > complete. > > See www.dgfhs.org.uk for details. > > By all means work on those that have not been transcribed. That will be > very helpful. Trying to undermine any family history society will be of no > benefit to any researcher and may do great harm in the long term. > > Rene Anderson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill" <folley@optusnet.com.au> > To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:41 AM > Subject: [D-G LIST] Dumfrieshire 1841 Cunsus. > > > > To all that receive the list . > > > > Irene has had a negative shot at the FREE CENSUS PROJECT by stating that > it > > all goes on line later in the year.. > > > > That may be so but it will cost $$$ to look at.. > > > > The FREE Census project aims to have all the Censuses online and > searchable > > at no cost to the user. > > > > So please before you fire the gun try and find out what the Free census > > project is all about.. > > > > Cliff Kerr > > Australia > > > > Coordinator 1841 Dumfrieshire Free Census Project. > > > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > If your line involves the surname GRAHAM why not join > > CLAN-GRAHAM-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > DO NOT send files as Email attachments to the list. > Send them privately - person to person. > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >

In a message dated 24/06/2004 09:34:45 GMT Standard Time, rene_anderson@onetel.com writes: The 1841 census for Dumfries & Galloway was prepared by volunteers of Dumfries & Galloway Family History Society. The individual books for each parish are available for a very modest cost, which is aimed simply at recovering the costs of publishing. Repeating the exercise is undermining the tremendous efforts of these volunteers, who have spent years working on this project, which is now complete. See www.dgfhs.org.uk for details. By all means work on those that have not been transcribed. That will be very helpful. Trying to undermine any family history society will be of no benefit to any researcher and may do great harm in the long term. Rene Anderson Hear, hear, Rene. I have quite a number of these booklets and they are so good. Judy

Hi these are extras I have on certificates. Hope they help someone. Leeona DEATH Baby Stevenson, 7 May 1862. Father Daniel Stevenson, mother Elisabeth Anderson, Kelton Parish DEATH Jane Connolly, 16 May 1862. Husband Arthur Connolly. Father Joseph Carter, mother Elizabeth Mowatt. Kelton Parish MARRIAGE (David) Milligan and Ann Wilson. 4 June 1858. Kirkcudbright Parish

Thanks for those who replied. I guess the question I was asking was when did the Masonic lodge stop being a society/guild for "Masons" by trade. Did a bit of Googling and this page for anyone else interested is good as it shows the Scottish history. The "Conventional Explanation" on this page says as I thought that there was a shift to non operative members in the 17th century, though I thought 18th due to the building boom at that time. Anyway I draw a line under my questions as it is drifting from genealogy though the link below could lead to some interesting sources. http://www.oelodge.uklinux.net/history.htm Cheers, Pam From: Pam Fallon-Cousins <pfallonc@btinternet.com> To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Scottish Freemasons Date sent: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:32:13 +0100 > An extension to Ian's freemasons question. I have a number of > Dumfrieshire relatives who are masons, listed as journeymen and > "master" masons. My question is kind of out of ignorance. But would > mid-victorian masons be freemasons like being in a union? So would I > expect to find them in freemason archives? A rambling ill-thought out > question I know :-( > > Cheers, > Pam

An extension to Ian's freemasons question. I have a number of Dumfrieshire relatives who are masons, listed as journeymen and "master" masons. My question is kind of out of ignorance. But would mid-victorian masons be freemasons like being in a union? So would I expect to find them in freemason archives? A rambling ill-thought out question I know :-( Cheers, Pam

Hello Mae, Looks like this could be your man. From the OPR index for Dumfriesshire: John Cowan b. 4/7/1848 in Johnstone by Lockerbie Parents: Samuel Cowan & Agnes Pattie Regards, Anne

I hope that i do not offend any one with this request. To those that have responded re send your email addresses To all readers with interest in Scotland. The free Scotland Census project has been going on for a while now with many willing helpers. Now as the coordinator for the Dumfrieshire area i am going to start the transcription of the 1841 census i am asking any and every one who read these lists if they have the time to become a helper... What is needed is people to transcribe records from the original Census records and then people to check the transcribed files.. I am here to give all help and support that may be needed and keep the project going.. So what about it do you have time to help?? then contact me at honiton@optusnet.com.au and we can decuss this further... Cliff Kerr Australia Co-ordinator Dumfries 1841 census

I wonder if anyone can please help me sort out the identity of one of my ancestors. She was Jessie/Janet MCCLURE and was married to Thomas GEDDES, a shoemaker, sometime between 1851 and 1854. I had always assumed she came from Kirkmaiden. This was because her sisters` names were the same as later female family names, including those of Jessie and Thomas, on the 1841 Drumore census. However, I`ve recently discovered that the second daughter of Jessie and Thomas was born in Sorbie and, on further investigation I`ve found that there was a MCCLURE family in Sorbie which consisted of boys and one girl - called Jessie. Could Jessie have returned home to her parents to have her second child and could she have named her children, all daughters, after possible cousins in Kirkmaiden? Is there anyone who could possibly do a look up of the Sorbie 1841 census for me and check this out, please. I have a copy of the Drumore census in which there is a Jessie/Janet but her age is nine years older when she is listed on the 1871 census with her children. I`ve always assumed she`d fibbed about her age but it could be that we`re talking about another Jessie/Janet. Hope this doesn`t sound too complicated. Many thanks Cassandra

Hi Tom, Instant means this month, ultimo means the previous month. When I was a legal secretary they were shortened to inst and ult. Cheers, MAGGIE Tom Dickson wrote: >I just meet with a 4th cousin once removed. She has a bunch of newspaper clippings from the 1800's. >Most of them the word INSTANT, like On the 21st instant at 11 Thomaston Street. Others use the word ULTIMO, On the 30th ultimo at Millbrea Terrace. > >Can any one explain the use of these two words in birth, death and marriage announcements in the 1800's > > >Tom > > >==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >If your line involves the surname BRUCE why not join >CLAN-BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >

Hi everyone I have a couple of ancestors born at Bogg (as opposed to in a bog!), somewhere near Canonbie. I've searched old maps and not found anything, and presume it was either a very small village or the name of an estate or property. Anyone have any ideas about this please? Thanks Annie Auckland, NZ

In a message dated 23/06/2004 18:35:11 GMT Daylight Time, pfallonc@btinternet.com writes: > An extension to Ian's freemasons question. I have a number of > Dumfrieshire relatives who are masons, listed as journeymen and > "master" masons. My question is kind of out of ignorance. But would > mid-victorian masons be freemasons like being in a union? So would I > expect to find them in freemason archives? A rambling ill-thought out > question I know :-( > No a mason is a worker with stone. A freemason would not put that as an occupation in the census. Freemasonery was a secret society. Irene

Thanks for the helpful responses to my query regarding 'Freemasons'. I'd forgotten how helpful this list can be after spending too much time on the Cumberland List,although there are some helpful people there too.I have emailed the Grand Lodge of Quebec which I found on Google and will give them time to respond before I push further. Perhaps I should have guessed that there would be a Rootsweb address Sheena,they seem to cover most areas where queries may fall. Ian Ritchie

Hi Annie, There is a house (in the 19th century it was a dairy) called Bogg near Sanquhar. This is unlikely to be your Bogg as it is many miles from Canonbie, but it was situated next to a bog and in 19th century correspondence was also referred to as Bog. However on one occasion it was written as Bogue suggesting that there was some sensitivity about admitting you lived in the Bog! If this Bogg IS by any chance the one you seek, I would be most interested in hearing from you and I also have lots of information on it. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: sconzani@ihug.co.nz To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 23 June 2004 03:00 Subject: [D-G LIST] A place called Bogg, near Canobie Hi everyone I have a couple of ancestors born at Bogg (as opposed to in a bog!), somewhere near Canonbie. I've searched old maps and not found anything, and presume it was either a very small village or the name of an estate or property. Anyone have any ideas about this please? Thanks Annie Auckland, NZ ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% DO NOT send files as Email attachments to the list. Send them privately - person to person. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

In a message dated 23/06/2004 08:00:02 GMT Daylight Time, folley@optusnet.com.au writes: > Now as the coordinator for the Dumfrieshire area i am going to start the > transcription of the 1841 census i am asking any and every one who read > these lists if they have the time to become a helper... > > What is needed is people to transcribe records from the original Census > records and then people to check the transcribed files.. But you are re-inventing the wheel!! The 1841 census for Dumfriesshire (and Kirkcudbright and Wigtown) has already been transcribed and published by the Dumfries and Galloway FHS. In any case all the census indexes are coming online at Scotlandspeople later this year so what is the point of doing it again! Irene

In a message dated 23/06/2004 02:45:48 GMT Standard Time, tom.dickson@sasktel.net writes: Most of them the word INSTANT, like On the 21st instant at 11 Thomaston Street. Others use the word ULTIMO, On the 30th ultimo at Millbrea Terrace. Hi Tom Instant or inst. means this month, ultimo or ult means last month. Hope this helps Judy

I just meet with a 4th cousin once removed. She has a bunch of newspaper clippings from the 1800's. Most of them the word INSTANT, like On the 21st instant at 11 Thomaston Street. Others use the word ULTIMO, On the 30th ultimo at Millbrea Terrace. Can any one explain the use of these two words in birth, death and marriage announcements in the 1800's Tom

Hi Ian, There is a Mailing List for Freemasons at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Fraternal_Organizations/FREEMASONS.html Hope it helps. Sheena. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Ritchie" <iritchie1@iprimus.com.au> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:59 AM Subject: [D-G LIST] Freemasons > Hi everyone, > My father,Herbert Ritchie,(b.1901;d.1992) spent three years in Canada from > 1924 to 1927 when he was obliged to return to England due to the illness of > his sister and mother both of whom subsequently died. He never returned to > Canada but,whilst there,on 15th October,1926,he was inducted into the > Freemasons - Valleyfield Lodge No.75. My brother in UK has the diploma which > is written in Latin with the recurring number - 5926,which we think could be > his membership number. My query is,would there be any information available > regarding his connection to the Freemasons that may be available to family > members? > Also,if anyone has come across one of these diplomas from the period,( this > one is headed 'The Grand Lodge of Quebec'), and has a translation of the > latin text, I would be very interested in a transcription. > > Ian Ritchie > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > If your line involves the surname BRUCE why not join > CLAN-BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >

Hi everyone, My father,Herbert Ritchie,(b.1901;d.1992) spent three years in Canada from 1924 to 1927 when he was obliged to return to England due to the illness of his sister and mother both of whom subsequently died. He never returned to Canada but,whilst there,on 15th October,1926,he was inducted into the Freemasons - Valleyfield Lodge No.75. My brother in UK has the diploma which is written in Latin with the recurring number - 5926,which we think could be his membership number. My query is,would there be any information available regarding his connection to the Freemasons that may be available to family members? Also,if anyone has come across one of these diplomas from the period,( this one is headed 'The Grand Lodge of Quebec'), and has a translation of the latin text, I would be very interested in a transcription. Ian Ritchie