I`ve had so much help from people on the site so, if anyone would like the parents of the following, please let me know. 1854 Penninghame births David ARNOTT Mary MONTEITH Elizabeth LOTT Mary KELLY James McCormick HERON Margaret HUNTER William HANNAY William MEREDITH William McLaughlan DAVIDSON Agnes McKIE 1860 Sorbie births Robert and George DUNN Agnes GEDDES 1862 Wigtown births Hugh JAMIESON Mary BURKE John GEDDES Regards Cassandra

Hi May, Children of Mary Ann BOYD & John McDonald all born in Ecclefechan/Hoddam area as follows: John Muray BOYD b 1871 (same parents) died 22 Dec 1895 (unmarried) Elizabeth b 7 Aug 1873 m. 17 Jun 1892 Thomas ELLIOT Thomas b 21 Aug 1876 James b abt 1879 Hugh b 10 May 1881 I have been unable to find the marriage date of the parents but believe they were married in Annan after 1871 following the birth of John Murray BOYD. John McDonald was born abt 1851 in Hoddam. They are living in High St, Hoddam on the 1881 census his occupation was a General Labourer he did remarry after Mary Ann died on 21 Jun 1903 to an Elizabeth SMITH and he died on 16 Nov 1925 in Hoddam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "May" <schultem@telusplanet.net> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] MURRAY, JOHNSTON > Hi Steve, > > I can't find anything in my records that would connect my MURRAYs to yours. > But I'll keep your email in case something crops up. > > Interesting that you have a John McDONALD, so have I, and I believe they are > one and the same person. John's wife's name was Mary Ann and I think that > would be too much of a coincidence in such a small community as Ecclefechan. > Do you have the names of their children? We could certainly compare but I'm > sure we've got the same couple. > > May > > <<Next Janet MURRAY & Thomas BOYD had a baby girl b abt May 1851 who wasn't > baptised on the 1851 census (possibly Janet). Mary ann BOYD b abt 1853 > married aft 1871 to John McDonald, Mary died 21 Jun 1903.>> >

Hi All Whilst on the Murrays & McDonald's. Would any one have links to ''SARAH McDONALD '' b.ABT 1795 England d.AFT 1851 married ........James Carruthers b.Abt 1795 Urr Kirkcudbright d. Bef 1851 They had a child: Son William b.1822 Mouswald d. 1863 park Closeburn married........''MARY MURRAY'' b. 1829 Kirkmichael d.1906 park Closeburn Ian Carruthers **************************************************************************** From: May <schultem@telusplanet.net> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> 32 PMSubject: Re: [D-G LIST] MURRAY, JOHNSTON > Hi Steve,> > I can't find anything in my records that would connect my MURRAYs to yours. > But I'll keep your email in case something crops up.> > Interesting that you have a John McDONALD, so have I, and I believe they are > one and the same person. John's wife's name was Mary Ann and I think that > would be too much of a coincidence in such a small community as Ecclefechan. > Do you have the names of their children? We could certainly compare but I'm > sure we've got the same couple.> > May> > <<Next Janet MURRAY & Thomas BOYD had a baby girl b abt May 1851 who wasn't > baptised on the 1851 census (possibly Janet). Mary ann BOYD b abt 1853 > married aft 1871 to John McDonald, Mary died 21 Jun 1903.>>

Following is from the Carlisle Patriot: September 23rd 1843 On the 20th inst, at Beck, in the parish of Kirkandrews on Esk, Elizabeth, widow of the late Mr William Beattie, farmer, Torquhoun, Dumfriesshire, and mother of Mr John Beattie, farmer, Beck, aged 100 years and a few weeks. She was the oldest individual in Longtown when the last census was taken. Rene Anderson

There is a page of information on James Rae, photographer, at the following URL: http://victorian.fortunecity.com/carroll/642/pixs/jamesrae.htm . However, the photograph there, supposedly of Rae himself, I think is almost certainly not of him. Kind regards, Ian Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Brown" <dbccon@ntlworld.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:53 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] James Rae Photographer > James Rae was the photographer for William McDowalls book: The Memorials > of St. Micheals 1876 in which he thanks James Rae for the excellent picture > of Burns Mausoleum > which a litograph is shown in the book > Best Regards > David Brown > Manchester UK > dbccon@ntlworld.com > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************* > If you have any problems with this list or any of its members please > contact the listowner....Tom Welch....tomas@directcon.net > ******************************************************************** > >

Hope everyone is ready for Grandfather Mountain Highland Games. Thursday night is the torchlight Ceremony, Friday the Clan Tents are up and the games begin with dancing, bagpiping and throwing the caber, Friday nite is the formal reception and dance at ASU, Saturday more games. Sunday morning Peter Mccall of Dumfries salute at worship services, followed by Clan Parade and more games. Planning to attend the NC Mccall Family Picnic tomorrow,honoring Professor Nelson Mccall. Hoping to meet Spencer Mccall of our Royal family of Cheraw and Jan Christian, a family Historian , who has researched the Society Hills Area.More on Society Hills games later. Talked with Lynn McCall and he still plans to forward kilted photos of Major Robert Mccall-Pollock , formerly of Black Watch, in time for GMHG. He will try to interest Angus , Robert's son in accepting temporary Chieftain of Mccalls and to maintain his Father's Coat of Arms (James Mccall of Daldowie0. Sister lives near Lynn. Need to hear more about Mccall Reunion at Whipple Dam later this month. Brent and Lynn have attended in past and I suspect that Edith Young attends? Kevin, Mark and Bill should be back from Scotland next week.They should know all the latest news from Dumfries and Galloway. Bill and Mark will be at GMHG. Heard from Mary Allison and she is headed across the ocean. Her Robert W. McCall married Amanda "Mandy" Barnes. Still trying to verify that the Rood fair in Dumfries was originally Druid fair? Found story of Evan McColl of Loch Fyne to add to website. Also found more on Alan MacCoul, who is like Robin Hood, and killed the Lord of Lorn (his Sheriff of Nottingham?). Another minister in our family in Who's Who is Dr Rev. Duke Mccall, whose parents were William John and Lizette McCall. Duke married Marguerite Mullinnix in 1936 and their children are Duke , Douglas, John Richard and Michael. He got his BA at Furman and PHD at Baylor. Salute! Have a Happy and Safe, Independence Day, Ron McCall www.clanmccall.org ( May have found "Showing of the Colors " at the National Museum of Scotland)

Hi May, Janet MURRAY born bet 1829/1831 in Hoddam,Dumfries. Parents John MURRAY & Jane EVANS. Janet MURRAY married Thomas BOYD (born abt 1823 in Ireland) have every census listing for her from 1851 to 1901 then death certificate 19 Jan 1915. Janet MURRAY & Thomas BOYD had the following children: Hugh BOYD b abt 1847 died 17 Dec 1879 (unmarried). Margaret BOYD b abt 1850 had 2 illegitimate children James Murray BOYD b 4 Nov 1867 & Isabella Murray BOYD b 5 Sep 1872. Margaret later married Andrew SCOTT in Carlisle on 22 May 1875. Next Janet MURRAY & Thomas BOYD had a baby girl b abt May 1851 who wasn't baptised on the 1851 census (possibly Janet). Mary ann BOYD b abt 1853 married aft 1871 to John McDonald, Mary died 21 Jun 1903. James Murray BOYD is my great grandfather. I have nothing on Janet JOHNSTONE other than she married Hugh MURRAY b abt 1843 they married possibly abt 1866/67. Regards Steve Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "May" <schultem@telusplanet.net> To: "Steve Boyd" <sboyd@bigpond.net.au> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] MURRAY, JOHNSTON > Hi Steve, > > Ann JOHNSTON and Jane MURRAY were two of my INMAN females. I don't know, as > yet, who their in-laws were although I suppose there's always a possibility > that there's a connection somewhere down the line. Do you have any other > information on your two Janets? > > May > > > << I have a Janet Murray who was at 80 Hall Rd Howrig in the > Ecclefechan/Hoddam > area on the 1871 census, she later married Thomas Boyd. > Janet's brother Hugh Murray married a Janet Johnstone about 1866/7>> > >

Steve, Getting into the swing of things again (genealogy research) is not as simple as I thought! Found the information I was looking for when I received your last email. John's wife's maiden name was BOYD so it definitely is the same couple. I have 8 children listed and the year of their marriage. I also have the marriage dates for John's second wife, Elizabeth SMITH. May

Hi Steve, I can't find anything in my records that would connect my MURRAYs to yours. But I'll keep your email in case something crops up. Interesting that you have a John McDONALD, so have I, and I believe they are one and the same person. John's wife's name was Mary Ann and I think that would be too much of a coincidence in such a small community as Ecclefechan. Do you have the names of their children? We could certainly compare but I'm sure we've got the same couple. May <<Next Janet MURRAY & Thomas BOYD had a baby girl b abt May 1851 who wasn't baptised on the 1851 census (possibly Janet). Mary ann BOYD b abt 1853 married aft 1871 to John McDonald, Mary died 21 Jun 1903.>>

Hi Audrey There is a Valleyfield Farm in the area, operated by Mr Clark. Regards Ian. Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: audrey render [mailto:audrey.render@ntlworld.com] Sent: 01 July 2004 20:37 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [D-G LIST] Valleyfield Hi just found my GGrandmother Mary Douglas living at a farm in 1851 Valley field Crossmicheal does anyone know if the farm is still there thanks Audrey ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> If your line involves the surname GRAHAM why not join CLAN-GRAHAM-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 25/06/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 25/06/04 ________________________________________________________________________ Full speed 512K broadband from Freeola just £26.99 - forget the rest FREE unlimited web space, e-mail & domain hosting www.freeola.com

Hi just found my GGrandmother Mary Douglas living at a farm in 1851 Valley field Crossmicheal does anyone know if the farm is still there thanks Audrey

If he was the "New Church Officer" that means Greyfriars Church. Rene Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Brown" <dbccon@ntlworld.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] Robert Tait and Mary Selkirk reply > Thanks to those who have sent reply's > > Robert Taits occupation was farm servant > > John Tait son of Robert Tait and Mary Selkirk was a church officer in fact > he was the Sexton of St Michaels Church Dumfries in the mid 1880's and on > his death certificate in 1881 he gives his fathers occupation as Farm > servant > He married his first wife Isabella Breck in September 1831 in Dumfries and > his second wife Ann Evens September 1873 in which he states his father > Robert Tait Farm Servant is deceased John gives his occupation as Beadle > > Agnes Tait daughter of Robert Tait and Mary Selkirk married Thomas Maxwell > (Shepherd) on her death certificate 1888 she gives her fathers occupation as > Farm Overseer > > > John Taits Family in the 1851 Census > > Name: TAIT, Helen Address: Coffee Close(821): > > Parish: Dumfries > > Relationship: daughter of John Tait > > Marital Status: unmarried > > Occupation: GROCER > > Age: 17 > > Born: born England > > Household No: 4/56 > > Name: TAIT, Isabella Address: Coffee Close(821): > > Parish: Dumfries > > Relationship: wife of John Tait > > Marital Status: married > > Occupation: > > Age: 40 > > Born: born Dumfries Dms > > Household No: 4/56 > > Name: TAIT, Isabella Address: Coffee Close(821): > > Parish: Dumfries > > Relationship: daughter of John Tait > > Marital Status: > > Occupation: > > Age: 9 > > Born: born England > > Household No: 4/56 > > Name: TAIT, James Address: Coffee Close(821): > > Parish: Dumfries > > Relationship: son of John Tait > > Marital Status: > > Occupation: > > Age: 1 > > Born: born Dumfries Dms > > Household No: 4/56 > > Name: TAIT, John Address: Coffee Close(821): > > Parish: Dumfries > > Relationship: head of household > > Marital Status: married > > Occupation: NEW CHURCH OFFICER > > Age: 48 > > Born: born Dunscore Dms > > Household No: 4/56 > > Name: TAIT, John Address: Coffee Close(821): > > Parish: Dumfries > > Relationship: son of John Tait > > Marital Status: > > Occupation: WOOL SORTER > > Age: 14 > > Born: born Wales > > Household No: 4/56 > > Name: TAIT, Mary Address: Coffee Close(821): > > Parish: Dumfries > > Relationship: daughter of John Tait > > Marital Status: > > Occupation: > > Age: 6 > > Born: born Dumfries Dms > > Household No: 4/56 > > Name: TAIT, Robert Address: Coffee Close(821): > > Parish: Dumfries > > Relationship: son of John Tait > > Marital Status: > > Occupation: WOOL SORTER > > Age: 15 > > Born: born Wales > > Household No: 4/56 > > Name: TAIT, William Address: Coffee Close(821): > > Parish: Dumfries > > Relationship: son of John Tait > > Marital Status: > > Occupation: > > Age: 12 > > Born: born Dumfries Dms > > Household No: 4/56 > > Best Regards > David Brown > Manchester UK > dbccon@ntlworld.com > > Researching Wright - Tait - Cowan - Jonstone - Selkirk- Maxwell - Wallace - > McDowall - Jardine - Bell - Geddes - Blake - Milligan and Saunders all from > Dumfries 1800's > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > To reach every member of the list : > Send Email to ....... DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >

Thanks to those who have sent reply's Robert Taits occupation was farm servant John Tait son of Robert Tait and Mary Selkirk was a church officer in fact he was the Sexton of St Michaels Church Dumfries in the mid 1880's and on his death certificate in 1881 he gives his fathers occupation as Farm servant He married his first wife Isabella Breck in September 1831 in Dumfries and his second wife Ann Evens September 1873 in which he states his father Robert Tait Farm Servant is deceased John gives his occupation as Beadle Agnes Tait daughter of Robert Tait and Mary Selkirk married Thomas Maxwell (Shepherd) on her death certificate 1888 she gives her fathers occupation as Farm Overseer John Taits Family in the 1851 Census Name: TAIT, Helen Address: Coffee Close(821): Parish: Dumfries Relationship: daughter of John Tait Marital Status: unmarried Occupation: GROCER Age: 17 Born: born England Household No: 4/56 Name: TAIT, Isabella Address: Coffee Close(821): Parish: Dumfries Relationship: wife of John Tait Marital Status: married Occupation: Age: 40 Born: born Dumfries Dms Household No: 4/56 Name: TAIT, Isabella Address: Coffee Close(821): Parish: Dumfries Relationship: daughter of John Tait Marital Status: Occupation: Age: 9 Born: born England Household No: 4/56 Name: TAIT, James Address: Coffee Close(821): Parish: Dumfries Relationship: son of John Tait Marital Status: Occupation: Age: 1 Born: born Dumfries Dms Household No: 4/56 Name: TAIT, John Address: Coffee Close(821): Parish: Dumfries Relationship: head of household Marital Status: married Occupation: NEW CHURCH OFFICER Age: 48 Born: born Dunscore Dms Household No: 4/56 Name: TAIT, John Address: Coffee Close(821): Parish: Dumfries Relationship: son of John Tait Marital Status: Occupation: WOOL SORTER Age: 14 Born: born Wales Household No: 4/56 Name: TAIT, Mary Address: Coffee Close(821): Parish: Dumfries Relationship: daughter of John Tait Marital Status: Occupation: Age: 6 Born: born Dumfries Dms Household No: 4/56 Name: TAIT, Robert Address: Coffee Close(821): Parish: Dumfries Relationship: son of John Tait Marital Status: Occupation: WOOL SORTER Age: 15 Born: born Wales Household No: 4/56 Name: TAIT, William Address: Coffee Close(821): Parish: Dumfries Relationship: son of John Tait Marital Status: Occupation: Age: 12 Born: born Dumfries Dms Household No: 4/56 Best Regards David Brown Manchester UK dbccon@ntlworld.com Researching Wright - Tait - Cowan - Jonstone - Selkirk- Maxwell - Wallace - McDowall - Jardine - Bell - Geddes - Blake - Milligan and Saunders all from Dumfries 1800's

Hi List I have just received a page from the Register of Proclamations of Bans and Marriages for the parish of Dumfries in the county of Dumfries Aug 5: 1759 John Greirson (dyer) & Susanna Cairns daughter of Robert Cairns of Barnbarrach in the parish of Colvend Aug 12: 1759 Robert Harries (taylor) & Winnifred Mills relic of Samuel Johnston both of this place Aug 12: 1759 Joseph Johnston (taylor) & Katherine Glendinning daughter of the deceased Thomas Glendinning both of this place Sept 30: 1759 John Corvan son of the deceased Nathanial Corvan & Euphant Muir daughter of Robert Muir both in this place Sept 30: 1759 James Reid (labourer) son of Robert Reid in this place & Marrion Haining daughter of John Haining in the parish of Mousewald Oct 7: 1759 John Wightman in this place & Jean Graham daughter of John graham in the parish of Totherwald Oct 20 1759 James Wright in the parish of Carverock son of the deceased James Wright in the parish of Traqueer & Isabel Rae daughter of the deceased John Rae in this place Nov 11 1759 Adam Black (gardener) & Mary Hall daughter of the deceased David Hall in the parish of Dunfermling both of this parish Nov 18 1759 John Crosbie (weaver) son of the deceased Andrew Crosbie & Agnes Scott daughter of the deceased John Scott in the parish of Orr both in this place Best Regards David Brown Manchester UK dbccon@ntlworld.com Researching Wright - Tait - Cowan - Jonstone - Selkirk- Maxwell - Wallace - McDowall - Jardine - Bell - Geddes - Blake - Milligan and Saunders all from Dumfries 1800's

looking for information on Robert Tait and Mary Selkirk - parents of John Tait b 1801? Dunscore Dumfries also desperate for the MI's or burial records of Taits and Wrights in St. Michaels churchyard Dumfries any information will be greatly appreciated Best Regards David Brown Manchester UK dbccon@ntlworld.com Researching Wright - Tait - Cowan - Jonstone - Selkirk- Maxwell - Wallace - McDowall - Jardine - Bell - Geddes - Blake - Milligan and Saunders all from Dumfries 1800's

James Rae was the photographer for William McDowalls book: The Memorials of St. Micheals 1876 in which he thanks James Rae for the excellent picture of Burns Mausoleum which a litograph is shown in the book Best Regards David Brown Manchester UK dbccon@ntlworld.com

And another one! May ----- Original Message ----- From: "May" <schultem@telusplanet.net> To: "Ian A McClumpha" <imchad@freeola.com> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] MURRAY, JOHNSTON > Hi Ian, > > There was another response to my question from Steve Boyd who mentioned Hall > Road Howrig in the Ecclefechan/Hoddam area so is there a possibility it > could be a cottage on farm land? Did you get my response to your email > regarding John INMAN? I sent it off line. > > May >

My response(s) should have been to the list., sorry about that. May ~~~~~~~~ > Hi Steve, > > Ann JOHNSTON and Jane MURRAY were two of my INMAN females. I don't know, as > yet, who their in-laws were although I suppose there's always a possibility > that there's a connection somewhere down the line. Do you have any other > information on your two Janets? > > May > > > << I have a Janet Murray who was at 80 Hall Rd Howrig in the > Ecclefechan/Hoddam > area on the 1871 census, she later married Thomas Boyd. > Janet's brother Hugh Murray married a Janet Johnstone about 1866/7>> >

Hi list Does anyone know why Gasstown on the outskirts of Dumfries might be known as The Harbour? I've just come across the term in one of these photographic by-gone books. Thanks in advance Alan

Hi - Does anyone have access to the 1891 and 1901 Census? If so, can I ask a huge favour.....please!! I'm looking for a couple of families and I think (operative word) they lived on High Street. One family supposedly lived next to the Carlisle House - through an archway into some kind of courtyard, the other lived close to a shop is it possible to find the name of the shop and who the proprietor was? The surnames are MURRAY & JOHNSTON. I would also like to ask if Howrig is a street or a farm, or what???? Thanks a lot May