Hi Bruce, Thanks for your help, don't suppose the chapel has a graveyard attached? I think you are probably right about Queensberry, as all my Kennedy descendants lived in the closes behind Queensberry St, especially on the 1841, 1851 & 1861 census' as I presume that their Fish Business was around there somewhere. Wonder how I could find out about that? Anyone have any clues to business records in this time frame. Of course just thought that they probably sold their fish at the Queensberry markets, were they a daily event? Oh so many questions that need answering Thanks again Fiona -------Original Message------- From: McBrucie Date: 07/17/04 01:39:34 To: Fiona Garrett Subject: RE: kennedy's HI, I Live in Dumfries, and from what you have said....I reckon S. Tuttersley could be S. Queensberry......(if you use a lot of imagination!)the "s"bit is for South..... And St. Andrews chapel was on Shakespeare Street.....I walk by the remains every morning! Regards Bruce McLachlan bruce@mcbrucie.freeserve.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Fiona Garrett [mailto:fionak2009@yahoo.com.au] Sent: 15 July 2004 23:09 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: kennedy's I am back again, on my never ending quest for my Kennedy's in Dumfries. Aha I have a new bit of the puzzle, that someone out there may know about. I am sure this is the grandfather of someone living now. On 5th December, 1897 at 1.15am at 6 S. Tuttersley (very hard to read) Street, Dumfries a beautiful bouncing baby boy was born. He was named James Menzies Kennedy and he was the son of William Kennedy, a butcher and Christina Kennedy (nee Moffat). Sorry can't tell you his weight. William and Christina had married on 20th November, 1890 at St. Andrews Chapel, (can't read the street, could be shakespeare) in Dumfries. William is the son of William Kennedy, fishmonger and Mary Ann Kennedy (nee Duffy). Who of course in turn goes back to the elusive MENZIES KENNEDY, that I feel everyone on this list must be sick of me asking about. Please please let someone be related to James. Fiona Down Under PS Sandy, if you have any idea about the proper spelling of these streets it would be much appreciated. ______________________________ .

That would be great John, thanks very much for your kind offer. This is the best site, we are always so willing to help each other out. Bruce has just confirmed that Shakespeare is correct, but we are unsure of Tuttersley. Hope to hear from you soon. Kind regards Fiona -------Original Message------- From: JJardcinc@aol.com Date: 07/17/04 02:08:33 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Another couple of Kennedy Grandfathers Fiona, In your earlier message, you said that you sometimes have trouble deciphering street names in Dumfries. I can send you scanned street maps of Dumfries today and as of the late 1890's. This offer is open to other Listers. Yours aye, John Jardine Cincinnati, Ohio USA D&G FHS Member #1918 Alba mo dhuthaich gu deireadh mo la! (Scotland my homeland forever!) JARDINE/JARDEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Annan, Applegarth, Wamphray, Torthorwald, Collin, Racks, Cummertrees, Powfoot, Mouswald, Kirkmichael, Templand; GREEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; RAE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown Kirkcudbright; MOFFAT in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; McMILLAN in Dumfries, Kirkcudbright, Irongray; HALLIDAY in Irongray; BRODIE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; DICKSON in Mouswald; HOPE in Annan; JOHNSTON(E) in Applegarth, Kirkpatrick-Juxta; PORTEOUS in Applegarth; RICHARDSON in Applegarth ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************* If you have any problems with this list or any of its members please contact the listowner....Tom Welch....tomas@directcon.net ******************************************************************** .

Hi David Where is St Michaels in Dumfrieshire or Galloway? I have HENDERSON family from the village of Dumfries- Peter HENDERSON b @ 1791 who married Elizabeth AITKEN 29 Dec 1816 in Dumfries. I can not find Peter anywhere. Peter and Elizabeth's chn are Janet Crosbie HENDERSON c8/11/1817, John Aitken HENDERSON- can't find his christening, Elizabeth Grant HENDERSON c 27 April 1824,Grace HENDERSON 15 June 1827,Alexandrina Aitken HENDERSON12 April 1829 . Any info welcomed! Donna Aitken ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Brown" <dbccon@ntlworld.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: July 17, 2004 3:08 AM Subject: [D-G LIST] MIs of St.Michael's > > Hi List > > Isn't it strange how things happen I also have a copy of Memorials of St > Michael's by William M'dowall and I have just finished scanning it on my > computer and opened my E-Mali to inform the list of this and find that Nancy > in NJ has also got a copy and as this is a rare book printed in 1876 its > very strange coincidence indeed. > The book is indexed with about 600 surnames and makes fascinating reading > the Memorials go up to about 1873 and there is quiet a lot about local > characters not just the rich and famous.If anybody would like me to look for > their ancestors I would be more than welcome to do so, William M'dowall does > not put all of the people on the memorials and on a lot he just says ex > number of children > > Best Regards > David Brown > Manchester UK > > dbccon@ntlworld.com > > Researching Wrights - Taits - Cowan - Jardine - Selkirk - Anderson - Barron - Blake - Milligan - Breck - Irvine and Kennedy all Dumfries area > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > To reach every member of the list : > Send Email to ....... DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >

Early today I posted a message about James Menzies Kennedy born 5th December 1897. Now I have found brothers of this gentleman that may mean something to someone - Robert Kennedy born abt 1891 William Kennedy born abt 1894 John Kennedy born abt 1900 all in Dumfries. Dumfrieshire All sons of William Kennedy and Christina Moffat. William was a butcher, also his cousin Robert James Kennedy was a butcher, he was married to Sarah Ryan they had the following children - John Menzies Kennedy born 11th December, 1890 Robert James Kennedy born abt 1896 Mary C Kennedy born abt 1900 Again all in Dumfries, Dumfrieshire I'll keep my fingers crossed, this relates to someone, Fiona

Hello Pat, Did a quick look around and found David GLOVER aged 33 Head of Household, a farmer of 50 acres employing two servants on the 1851 Census. David born Tinwald, Dumfries. His wife was Mary Ann aged 24 born New Abbey, Kirkcudbright. No children shown. House servant Mary LAWSON, unmarried aged 37 born Cannobie, Dumfries and a farm servant Jospeh INGLIS aged 14 born Dumfries town. David remarried your Jemima HAINING 23 July 1854 Terregles and 28 July 1854 Troqueer, both Kirkcudbright. Their daughter Margaret Anne born 1 October 1855 Terregles. I was wondering because of the tight timespan between their marriage and death of David, could some of Margaret's sisters have been children of his first marriage. Anyway good luck in your research. Cheers, MAGGIE also in New Zealand Pat McIndoe wrote: > Hi! I am new to the Dumfries-Galloway forum. > I come from New Zealand, and my interest is in GLOVER and HAINING > families from the Dumfries and Kirkudbrightshire area. My > great-grandmother, Margaret Anne Glover, came out from Dumfries with > her mother Jemima Glover (nee Haining) and three sisters in 1865 on > board a ship called the Berar. Jemima had been married to a David > Glover who died in May 1857. They had lived in Terregles. I am > interested also in conditions around Dumfires and Galloway region in > the mid-19th Century and early 19th Cent. > Anyone who wants to correspond about this, welcome to reply. > Thank you, > Pat McIndoe > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ********************************** > YOU HAVE ENTERED A FLAME FREE ZONE > ********************************** > >

Hi List Isn't it strange how things happen I also have a copy of Memorials of St Michael's by William M'dowall and I have just finished scanning it on my computer and opened my E-Mali to inform the list of this and find that Nancy in NJ has also got a copy and as this is a rare book printed in 1876 its very strange coincidence indeed. The book is indexed with about 600 surnames and makes fascinating reading the Memorials go up to about 1873 and there is quiet a lot about local characters not just the rich and famous.If anybody would like me to look for their ancestors I would be more than welcome to do so, William M'dowall does not put all of the people on the memorials and on a lot he just says ex number of children Best Regards David Brown Manchester UK dbccon@ntlworld.com Researching Wrights - Taits - Cowan - Jardine - Selkirk - Anderson - Barron - Blake - Milligan - Breck - Irvine and Kennedy all Dumfries area

Fiona, In your earlier message, you said that you sometimes have trouble deciphering street names in Dumfries. I can send you scanned street maps of Dumfries today and as of the late 1890's. This offer is open to other Listers. Yours aye, John Jardine Cincinnati, Ohio USA D&G FHS Member #1918 Alba mo dhuthaich gu deireadh mo la! (Scotland my homeland forever!) JARDINE/JARDEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Annan, Applegarth, Wamphray, Torthorwald, Collin, Racks, Cummertrees, Powfoot, Mouswald, Kirkmichael, Templand; GREEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; RAE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; MOFFAT in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; McMILLAN in Dumfries, Kirkcudbright, Irongray; HALLIDAY in Irongray; BRODIE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; DICKSON in Mouswald; HOPE in Annan; JOHNSTON(E) in Applegarth, Kirkpatrick-Juxta; PORTEOUS in Applegarth; RICHARDSON in Applegarth

Concerning Old, rare books. I have a number of them at my country home in Scotland. I am on extensive travel at the moment, but once returned, I shall be happy to give a list of those books for anyone interested. I also trace, track and purchase old books which are more specifically related to the Grierson family. I have a copy (indexed) of "The Annals of Buffalo Valley" [Pennsylvania], dated sometime about 1870s? Best of luck to all those dedicated to their family's history, David Grierson ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.tqci.net

hi all any kind person help I am looking for accomodation for myself 22/Aug to 29th Aug or any other period to end of Sept I am a pensioner & hotels are expensive Ihave a walking disability so would prefer b&b + evening meal in the Minnigaff & Newton Stewart areas. I am researching the Laurie history Dumfries & Wigtonshire many thanks George Rider

Hello again- Sorry to have misspelled HENDERSON not once but twice...no excuse except haste ! cheers Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dutch Thompson" <dutchink@isn.net> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] St. Michael's Churchyard/ HENDERSON > Hello Nancy, > Thanks for your generous offer. > Wondering if your HERDERSONs are connected to mine in Tynron ? > I have 2 bros- JAMES & THOMAS HERNDERSON- leaving there around 1820 on the > ship DIANAH (Diana) and settling in Nova Scotia, Canada. > They reputedly left behind 2 bros- JOHN (a ship's chandler in Glasgow (?) > and Dr WILLIAM HENDERSON, Royal Navy (?). > > cheers Thompson in PEI, Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Roses674@aol.com> > To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:19 PM > Subject: [D-G LIST] St. Michael's Churchyard > > > > About 20 years ago, I acquired a book from an antiquarian book seller: > > "Memorials of St. Michael's Churchyard Dumfries" by William M'Dowall and > published > > by Adam and Charles Black in 1876 in Edinburgh. The printer was Joseph > > Dickson of Dumfries. It is a fascinating volume which I have not read > thru and > > only skimmed for my Henderson, Dickson, McOwan lines. I purchased it > because of > > the location, just across the street from the house in which my > grandfather > > was born in 1879 and because the printer was a Dickson. > > > > It is indexed, but I am not sure that the indexing is thorough. M'Dowall > > does discuss the interment of Robert Burns and his Bonnie Jean and > throughout I > > see references that indicate the town's best known people. Some > references are > > made to sons or whomever who went to America or other parts of the world. > > > > I do not have enough personal time to search the volume for someone not in > > the index, but if anyone wants to send me surnames and given names with > dates if > > possible that they are interested in, I will save the emails and refer to > > them as I read the volume. Perhaps there is some information that another > lister > > could use that is not significant to me. Fair warning: The volume is 435 > > pages and in small print. > > > > The intro does state that the cemetery was first used during the days of > > Malcolm Canmore---unfortunately, an historical reference with which I am > not > > familiar, but was before the rule of William the Lion. Perhaps meaning > this was > > founded in the 13th Century or earlier. > > > > Nancy Parr in NJ > > Granddaughter of Robert Henderson McOwan, Sr. b. 1879 in Dumfries > > (Henderson, Dickson, McOwan, and Campbell) > > > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************* > > If you have any problems with this list or any of its members please > > contact the listowner....Tom Welch....tomas@directcon.net > > ******************************************************************** > > > > > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ********************************** > YOU HAVE ENTERED A FLAME FREE ZONE > ********************************** > >

Hello Fellow Scotland Genealogists: Is there anyone out there who is researching the Barrie surname from the Sanquhar area from the 1740's onward in time? I am looking specifically for information on John Barrie of Sanquhar who was listed as a dyer and the owner of a business. He was the father of John Barrie, James Barrie, Robert Barrie and Margaret Barrie. According to several accounts, his wife may have been Isobel Forsyth whose father was a baillie in the area. Additionally, information also suggests that Margaret Barrie married John Russell, whose family was also from Sanquhar. Thank you Ray Ann Farington-Alt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi! I am new to the Dumfries-Galloway forum. I come from New Zealand, and my interest is in GLOVER and HAINING families from the Dumfries and Kirkudbrightshire area. My great-grandmother, Margaret Anne Glover, came out from Dumfries with her mother Jemima Glover (nee Haining) and three sisters in 1865 on board a ship called the Berar. Jemima had been married to a David Glover who died in May 1857. They had lived in Terregles. I am interested also in conditions around Dumfires and Galloway region in the mid-19th Century and early 19th Cent. Anyone who wants to correspond about this, welcome to reply. Thank you, Pat McIndoe _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Glasgow University library also holds a copy, but it is in store. The shelf reference is R11-f.16. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Roses674@aol.com To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 16 July 2004 01:19 Subject: [D-G LIST] St. Michael's Churchyard About 20 years ago, I acquired a book from an antiquarian book seller: "Memorials of St. Michael's Churchyard Dumfries" by William M'Dowall and published by Adam and Charles Black in 1876 in Edinburgh. The printer was Joseph Dickson of Dumfries. It is a fascinating volume which I have not read thru and only skimmed for my Henderson, Dickson, McOwan lines. I purchased it because of the location, just across the street from the house in which my grandfather was born in 1879 and because the printer was a Dickson. It is indexed, but I am not sure that the indexing is thorough. M'Dowall does discuss the interment of Robert Burns and his Bonnie Jean and throughout I see references that indicate the town's best known people. Some references are made to sons or whomever who went to America or other parts of the world. I do not have enough personal time to search the volume for someone not in the index, but if anyone wants to send me surnames and given names with dates if possible that they are interested in, I will save the emails and refer to them as I read the volume. Perhaps there is some information that another lister could use that is not significant to me. Fair warning: The volume is 435 pages and in small print. The intro does state that the cemetery was first used during the days of Malcolm Canmore---unfortunately, an historical reference with which I am not familiar, but was before the rule of William the Lion. Perhaps meaning this was founded in the 13th Century or earlier. Nancy Parr in NJ Granddaughter of Robert Henderson McOwan, Sr. b. 1879 in Dumfries (Henderson, Dickson, McOwan, and Campbell) ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************* If you have any problems with this list or any of its members please contact the listowner....Tom Welch....tomas@directcon.net ********************************************************************

I am back again, on my never ending quest for my Kennedy's in Dumfries. Aha I have a new bit of the puzzle, that someone out there may know about. I am sure this is the grandfather of someone living now. On 5th December, 1897 at 1.15am at 6 S. Tuttersley (very hard to read) Street, Dumfries a beautiful bouncing baby boy was born. He was named James Menzies Kennedy and he was the son of William Kennedy, a butcher and Christina Kennedy (nee Moffat). Sorry can't tell you his weight. William and Christina had married on 20th November, 1890 at St. Andrews Chapel, (can't read the street, could be shakespeare) in Dumfries. William is the son of William Kennedy, fishmonger and Mary Ann Kennedy (nee Duffy). Who of course in turn goes back to the elusive MENZIES KENNEDY, that I feel everyone on this list must be sick of me asking about. Please please let someone be related to James. Fiona Down Under PS Sandy, if you have any idea about the proper spelling of these streets it would be much appreciated.

Hello Nancy, Thanks for your generous offer. Wondering if your HERDERSONs are connected to mine in Tynron ? I have 2 bros- JAMES & THOMAS HERNDERSON- leaving there around 1820 on the ship DIANAH (Diana) and settling in Nova Scotia, Canada. They reputedly left behind 2 bros- JOHN (a ship's chandler in Glasgow (?) and Dr WILLIAM HENDERSON, Royal Navy (?). cheers Thompson in PEI, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <Roses674@aol.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:19 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] St. Michael's Churchyard > About 20 years ago, I acquired a book from an antiquarian book seller: > "Memorials of St. Michael's Churchyard Dumfries" by William M'Dowall and published > by Adam and Charles Black in 1876 in Edinburgh. The printer was Joseph > Dickson of Dumfries. It is a fascinating volume which I have not read thru and > only skimmed for my Henderson, Dickson, McOwan lines. I purchased it because of > the location, just across the street from the house in which my grandfather > was born in 1879 and because the printer was a Dickson. > > It is indexed, but I am not sure that the indexing is thorough. M'Dowall > does discuss the interment of Robert Burns and his Bonnie Jean and throughout I > see references that indicate the town's best known people. Some references are > made to sons or whomever who went to America or other parts of the world. > > I do not have enough personal time to search the volume for someone not in > the index, but if anyone wants to send me surnames and given names with dates if > possible that they are interested in, I will save the emails and refer to > them as I read the volume. Perhaps there is some information that another lister > could use that is not significant to me. Fair warning: The volume is 435 > pages and in small print. > > The intro does state that the cemetery was first used during the days of > Malcolm Canmore---unfortunately, an historical reference with which I am not > familiar, but was before the rule of William the Lion. Perhaps meaning this was > founded in the 13th Century or earlier. > > Nancy Parr in NJ > Granddaughter of Robert Henderson McOwan, Sr. b. 1879 in Dumfries > (Henderson, Dickson, McOwan, and Campbell) > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************* > If you have any problems with this list or any of its members please > contact the listowner....Tom Welch....tomas@directcon.net > ******************************************************************** > >

About 20 years ago, I acquired a book from an antiquarian book seller: "Memorials of St. Michael's Churchyard Dumfries" by William M'Dowall and published by Adam and Charles Black in 1876 in Edinburgh. The printer was Joseph Dickson of Dumfries. It is a fascinating volume which I have not read thru and only skimmed for my Henderson, Dickson, McOwan lines. I purchased it because of the location, just across the street from the house in which my grandfather was born in 1879 and because the printer was a Dickson. It is indexed, but I am not sure that the indexing is thorough. M'Dowall does discuss the interment of Robert Burns and his Bonnie Jean and throughout I see references that indicate the town's best known people. Some references are made to sons or whomever who went to America or other parts of the world. I do not have enough personal time to search the volume for someone not in the index, but if anyone wants to send me surnames and given names with dates if possible that they are interested in, I will save the emails and refer to them as I read the volume. Perhaps there is some information that another lister could use that is not significant to me. Fair warning: The volume is 435 pages and in small print. The intro does state that the cemetery was first used during the days of Malcolm Canmore---unfortunately, an historical reference with which I am not familiar, but was before the rule of William the Lion. Perhaps meaning this was founded in the 13th Century or earlier. Nancy Parr in NJ Granddaughter of Robert Henderson McOwan, Sr. b. 1879 in Dumfries (Henderson, Dickson, McOwan, and Campbell)

Did William Hartley go with his mother Margaret to America in the late 1850's.Thanks John

Hi Robyn, Eastside of Guffolkland in Kirkconnel is tied closely to my McCall family and I believe I have most of your family documented, but have loaned out the info for now at the Highland Games. Should have back in couple of weeks. Sandy has sent me a message that there are 6 Ritchie stones at the cemetery and at least 9 Mccalls share the stones with the Ritchies. Our McCall Chieftain in Dumfries has a Ritchie son in law. Ron McCall www.clanmccall.org

Found answers that would have taken hours.John

James Hartley so Iam informed can any one confirm this.Thanks John