The Ship COLDSTREAM departed from : Southampton 15-7-1861 arrived Port Elizabeth 3-8-1861. Between 1858 & 1864 the ship was Captained by Adams & W. Kennedy The ships owners were J Hay in 1858 and Teighe&co in 1864. She Sailed for Australia/New Zealand in 1863 & 4 The Ship was made in Maulmaine in 1849. Would any one have a Picture of this Ship or a Passenger list.! many thanks Ian Carruthers

John, Have a look at the site for DUMFRIESSHIRE and GALLOWAY NATURAL HISTORY and ANTIQUARIAN SOCIETY and Click the button on the navigation bar listed as John Wood Maps and Direcory Indices. There you will find references relating to your query. The URL is http://users.quista.net/dgnhas/ Sandy > How can I obtain a copy of this,also any other dirctories > for merchants and trades for 1837 to 1850.

Would be interested in any Info. on CLOSEBURN or PARK VILLAGE or Dalgarnock cemetery near thornhill..................Dumfriesshire Scotland. Relating to CARRUTHERS (Shoemakers)1820-1900 Lived at no 52 Closeburn/Park Village ************************************************************************************ Spouses names: McDonald ,Murray, Swan,Shaw,Lister, Davis,Redfern. Thank you Ian Carruthers Zimbabwe

I have found some of the children on the 1881 cds, living with relatives, and will send you details separately. Carol

Hi folks, I just want to thank those who replied to my request for help tracing GLOVER/ HAINING families near Dumfries (Terregles etc) about 1860 and before. Thanks for the helpful suggestions. I have been able to pursue a few leads. It has been helpful to read too some of the useful tips Old-timers (not by years, but by experience in FH) give to help us New-Chums. Thanks a ton, P. McIndoe _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Does anyone have any information concerning the name Gunnan ? I have Ellen Gunnan, b. abt. 1773, most probably in Dumfriesshire, on my list, but no other information. Thank you for your kind consideration to this request. Dean Black

Sorry, I missed this one and dont think anyone else answered. I will have to be a bit vague as I dont know enough to make a precise definition. Heritors are the influential members of the parish. They made certain decisions but also paid out for some community expenditures. I am not sure how you qualified to be a heritor but I imagine it was on the value of your heritable property - after all who would volunteer to pay a share of eg the dominies salary unless you had to? In the case of a burgh, there would be an overlap between the heritors and the burgh council members ie they would be the great and the good, dine in each others houses, marry each others daughters and subscribe to the same charitable causes. The same group of men would be elders of the clerk and members of any committee going. In the mid to late 19thc there were quite a few of these. I dont know whether women could be heritors or whether executors of an estate could hold the position. I suspect the answer is a) no and b) yes, but I am willing to be corrected. I believe though that women property owners were allowed to vote in the election of school boards when they came in following the education act. In order to see if there are records your first stop is the local archives office and your second is the Scottish National Archive in Edinburgh. Hope this helps Judy ---------- >From: "Jeffery K. Davidson" <jdavidson@rathandcompany.com> >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] School master records? Hightae, Lochmaben >Date: 03, Thu Jun, 2004, 8:45 pm > > What are "heritors"?

PeterB 04/Dec/1830 Mochrum Wigtown Scotland found him in the 1841 census but not so far in the 1851 Census.Thanks John

In a message dated 20/07/2004 21:11:34 GMT Daylight Time, craig@SiliconGlen.com writes: I was wondering if there is anyone on the list who lives in/near Dumfries and who could look up a marriage certificate and birth certificate for me in the local records office please. Both are post 1929 and so not available online at ScotlandsPeople. To get a certified copies of a marriage cert and a birth cert would cost 13 GB pounds each. It is possible, I think, to make an appointment to be allowed access to the records at the Dumfries Registrars but it costs about 15 GBP an hour. The cheapest way to get the information is to employ searcher who visits Register House in Edinburgh to hand copy the records for you...... they usually charge about 3 or 3 GBPs per entry + of course the time it takes to find the right ones since you won't have reference numbers. Irene

Hi everyone Do any Kirk Sessions survive for the parish of Tynron,I've been searching the LDS web site but I can't find any in their Catalog of films. Thanks Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. Researching -- Kerr - Brown- Crosbie- Gilchrist in Tynron Parish.

Hi I was wondering if there is anyone on the list who lives in/near Dumfries and who could look up a marriage certificate and birth certificate for me in the local records office please. Both are post 1929 and so not available online at ScotlandsPeople. many thanks -- Craig Cockburn ("coburn"). SiliconGlen.com Ltd. http://SiliconGlen.com Home to the first online guide to Scotland, founded 1994. Scottish FAQ, wedding info, website design, stop spam and more!

Hello David, Noticed that you are researching the COWAN family in Dumfries. Perhaps, we have a connection. I have a John Cowan (1789-1869) who married in Moffatt, Dumfries before 1819 Elizabeth HASTIE (1795-1877). They had 8 children, all born in Moffatt (Janet, Peter, Jane, Robert,Alice, Elizabeth, John and Agnes). When Agnes was an infant, the entire family emigrated to St. John's, Nfld where other COWAN relatives were already living. Jane COWAN was my ggm. Do any of these names seem familiar? I have some earlier info on the COWAN line, and info on the NFld COWANS. Dot W.

James Hartley B 1767 Ireland married Margaret Thomson in Penningham Scotland in 1795????

Interested in exchanging information on LAURIEs. regards David in NZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "george rider" <george.rider1@ntlworld.com> To: <> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: interests > hi all posting my interests ,Laurie,Baird,Diamond,Johnston McMillan, Moffat,Rider any info would be appreciated thanks George Rider > > ______________________________

Hi Chris, If you go to our site http://freepages.genealogy/rootsweb.com/~maggiesirishkin/ and go to the Hewetson pages, you will see some variants of the Hewetson/Howatson name and much more. I will get back to you later if I can find more details on your family. I have Menzies in my family. My main branch were in Penpont, Dumfries. Cheers, MAGGIE Chris S wrote: > Hello to all, > I am fairly new to this list after discovering some links to Dumfries. > I'm not familiar with the Dumfries area as most of my research has > been in Glasgow, Bute, or Perthshire. > > My ggg grandfather was William Howat(son). He was born abt 1821 in > Dumfries to John > Howat(son) and Agnes Grierson. He married Janet Menzies in 1846. > Janet's parents were John Menzies and Margaret Baxter. William was a > blacksmith, like his father John. > > William & Janet had 10 children, one of which was my gg grandmother Mary. > > I believe they were in Dumfries up until 1868 at least. By 1881 they > were in Glasgow, and seemed to stay there until their deaths in 1892 > and 1893. > > I don't know why they seem to have changed their name from Howatson > (while in Dumfries) to Howat (once they arrived in Glasgow). Anyone > have any ideas on this? > > I would like to find more information on William & Janet's parents, as > all I have are their names & occupation. > > Can someone advise where I can find MI lists for the Dumfries area? > > Christine > in Toronto > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > If your line involves the surname GRAHAM why not join > CLAN-GRAHAM-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > >

Hello All, Well, after my much travelled luggage and most of my research papers have touched down back in Arcadia Vale, I would like to thank everyone I came across in my 900+mile journey around Wigtownshire, D & G and Ayrshire. Every person I spoke to or visited (living and dead, family or friend) was so friendly and helpful, yes, even the headstones! John, Ann Sharpe for the B&B asked that I extend her best wishes to you and yours and would like to see you again when you next decide to take a trip back. A lovely lady with a good sense of humour. To Sandy and Cathy thank you and lovely to meet after all these years we have been talking by email. Will be chasing up some more information as soon as my Scottish papers arrive from Ontario after being saved from the floodwaters in my mum's cousins basement. Also, whilst I was away David changed our ISP so my new email address is jenm@exemail.com.au Regards Jenny Lake Macquarie NSW

HI REALISED SHOULD HAVE PUT PARISHES SO HERE THEY ARE TYNRON, DUNSCORE IN DUMFRIESHIRE, MINNIGAFF ,CREETOWN IN KIRKCUDBRIGJTSHIRE PENNINGHAME, NEWTON STEWART & GLASSERTON IN WIGTOWNSHIRE THANKS ALL FROM GEORGE -------Original Message------- From: george rider Date: 07/18/04 12:10:51 To: Dumfries-Galloway-L@rootsweb.com Subject: interests hi all posting my interests ,Laurie,Baird,Diamond,Johnston McMillan, Moffat,Rider any info would be appreciated thanks George Rider

Cannot find him in 1851 census he married in Reading Berkshire 27/Dec/1852 but he is not in the 1851 Berkshire census his brother James is in there,nor the Wigtownshire census,any ideas any one.Thanks John

My MENZIES are from Dumfriesshire as well - my gt gt grandfather John MENZIES first shows up in Newark Nottinghamshire England on the 1841 census. He is listed as a Draper and living with him is a younger brother, Robert, with no occupation. John is given as being 25 and Robert as 21 but this is the census with the rounding up/down instructions so I doubt if that is their real age! Shortly after they were joined by a third brother, Thomas. All three went into business, John became a Master Draper with a shop and several other properties in Newark, Robert and Thomas became Tea Dealers and then Grocers. All three married local girls, Robert marrying twice when he was left a widower with several small children. All three gave their father as Andrew MENZIES, Farmer. None stated him as deceased on their marriage entries. All three named their eldest son Andrew and their second daughter Agnes. I believe they were following a traditional naming pattern - especially as the second son and eldest daughter are always named for the parents of the wife. I have had the 1841 census for Dumfrieshire checked without success. My Mum did start to research this end of the family and obtained baptisms records for Robert and Thomas showing them to have been born in Durrisdeer and Enterkinfoot. Parents were shown as Andrew MENZIES and Agnes MINZIE. I have found an Andrew and Agnes MENZIES, brother and sister, living at Woodhouselee on the census records and - having obtained their death certificates find that they are shown as the children of Andrew and Agnes, so I believe them to be brother and sister to "my" Menzies brothers. I haven't been able to find a baptism for John, but have found a baptism for Agnes MINZIE whose father was John. There is also a William MENZIES in the census who could be another brother. William is often a second name to the sons of John,Robert and Thomas. A researcher checked the MI's for Durrisdeer and a fellow lister kindly checked the graveyard itself without finding any graves for the family. Although I have made contact with two distant cousins they have had less information than I did so I am still trying to prove that my line was living in Dumfriesshire. regards, Dorothy Dorothy Holden Dover Kent England Uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.722 / Virus Database: 478 - Release Date: 18/07/04

---- Original Message ----- From: ruthconner To: Donald Craig Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Glendining Any Ann born 1810 in AYR married Henderson DOUGLAS in 1827 Ayr and had children : Ann,Charles,John, Margaret, Henderson,Jane. Charles died in Pennsylvania. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Craig To: ruthsconner@bigpond.com Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:44 AM Subject: Glendining Do you have any idea where he was born or died? I have a Wm Glendining born about 1863, who died 14 March 1902. He was a son of Andrew Glendining and Euphemia McDonald. I certainly have Ayrshire connections for these Glendinings. Some of them settled at Kilwinning, Ayrshire Don