In a message dated 24/08/2004 12:40:49 GMT Daylight Time, acauston@ns.sympatico.ca writes: http://www.dwalker.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Ministers%20Index.htm No, it's working. I've been on it a minute ago. Irene

Hi List, I was just pondering the lack of information found on Walter Ritchie,husband of the said Martha,when the blindingly obvious thought occurred to me that Walter & Martha would probably be buried in the same grave. The bad news of course is that I don't know where Martha is buried. But I do know when and where Martha died so I thought someone may be able to point me at some burial records,or MIs,which could be in a likely spot adjacent to the scene of Martha's demise. Martha Ritchie died July 22nd,1884,aged 88 at English Street,Annan where she had been living with two sons. Martha was noted as a widow by 1851 so Walter had predeceased her. Her two sons,James and Angus,neither of whom appear to have married, eventually died at the same location so they may very well be buried in the same spot. Thanks for any help that may be forthcoming. Ian Ritchie

Hi all, I am planning to visit D-G next weekend but would like to know as soon pas possible whether or not Monday 31 August is a public holiday in the area. I know that DGFHS will be closed on that day but will the Ewart Library be open ? In advance, many thanks Don Donald Craig Liverpool UK

Can anyone tell me if they have heard of or know where the following are. Corsockbridge? , Kirkconnel. An Agnes Milligan born there c1801, daughter of William Milligan and Catherine Hunter. Glouroe'r?, possibly in the Closeburn area. This is where my 3x Great Grandfather, John Sharpe, died in 1823. This is according to the headstone at Dalgarnock Kirkyard. Thanks Tom Shaw

Dear Tom Shaw, Putting Corsock bridge and Kirkconnel, two of the places you wanted to locate into Google yielded the following: http://www.origins.net/GRO/Places/kirkcudbright.html http://members.tripod.com/bob_newcumnock/crosshistory/Kirkconnelx.html A search for Glouroe'r was unsuccessful, but Closeburn brought up a web page of a beautiful church there. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~dfsgal/Closeburn/cbrn-1.htm Perhaps this will get you a little closer.... Regards, Diane Scannell

I understand that there was an electoral roll for Dumfries in 1838. Can anybody please tell me what information would be given in this document and how it can be accessed. Thanks in advance. Dave (Ssouthport)

A few Murrays from my tree May be a slim chance of someone else researching the same families Rgds Ian home@zim.co.zw ********************************************************************* William MURRAY x Sarah Wightman Children: Robert MURRAY b.1784 x Jane Seaton 1788-1880 >Have More on Janes Seatons Family Children: William b. 1811 (Forest Labourer) David b.1823 Thomas b.1827 (Sawyer)x Margaret Love Mary B.1829 d.27-4-1904 >born Kirkmichael?Dumfriesshire Scot. >have more on Mary MURRAY x James or John DONALD 1839-1906 (Shoemaker) remarried xWilliam Carruthers 23-8-1822 - 12-10-1863 (Shoemaker) b.Mouswald Scotland. **************************************************

Just an observation. Since your GRACIE was involved in banking and also had 2 sons who were writers I think it very likely he was a lawyer as well. Lawyers in country towns at the time often lent money on their own account and I can think of at least one other (in Melrose ) who was certainly a bank agent. Worth checking with the professional bodies in Edinburgh as they - sometimes- have biog details. Judy ---------- >From: "Mike Calder" <mikecalder@optusnet.com.au> >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [D-G LIST] James GRACIE - Died 23rd April 1814. >Date: 12, Thu Aug, 2004, 8:11 am > > G'day , > > I wonder if SKS in Dumfries could, at a convenient time, see if there > was ever an obituary or other newspaper report on the passing of James > GRACIE who died there on 23rd April 1814. > snip

Hi all I would be interested to hear from Fiona, who last year wrote about the McCarmick family from Mill of Airies, 1851 Census.The head of household, James McCarmick was the husband of my second great-great aunt, Elizabeth McClelland, daughter of Hugh McClelland and Sarah Thompson, of Clutag. At the end of her posting Fiona states that James and Elizabeth had a son John James but did not know anything more. In fact, John James McCormick died aged 33, journeyman stone-mason, of Phthisis on 6 July 1877, four years before his mother. In fact, all their children, sons, died before the parents did. James McCormick lived on until 1886, when he died of Debility of Old Age, on 6 June. He had been an Inn-keeper. Can anyone tell me what inns there were in Kirkinner at that time, please? Best wishes Don Donald Craig Liverpool UK

I know somewhere in all my replies or questions I have asked this before. I have been onto the site for Parish Locator, but it does not appear on there, nor any of the surrounding place names I have. Is there another site that may give me an indication of its position & how far north of Dunscore it is? Also is it still 'around' today? Barbara

Hi Barbara Brockhillstone is at OS NX870857. Take the B729 through Dunscore village and turn right about half a mile North of the village. (this is the road that leads past Lagg Tower) Brockhillstone is about 1½ -2 miles on the left, just about opposite the road to Dempsterton farm. Regards Ian. Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Dennis [mailto:tdennis@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 20 August 2004 22:38 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [D-G LIST] Brockhillstone location I know somewhere in all my replies or questions I have asked this before. I have been onto the site for Parish Locator, but it does not appear on there, nor any of the surrounding place names I have. Is there another site that may give me an indication of its position & how far north of Dunscore it is? Also is it still 'around' today? Barbara --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 19/08/04 ________________________________________________________________________ 160 hours freephone internet - £12.99 - the cheapest around! FREE unlimited web space, e-mail & domain hosting www.freeola.com

Diane, Would you please be so kind as to see how many DUNBAR's are listed? If there are many, please let me have the total and I'll see if I borrow the books on inter-library loan. If there are a few, I would be most grateful for the details. Many thanks! Pat Pat(rick) R. L. Dunbar RESEARCHING the DUNBAR name, ANYWHERE, ANY TIME Organiser, Dunbar Family Society (UK) Member - Guild of One-Name Studies, Aberdeen & N.E. Scotland FHS, Scottish Genealogy Society mailto:dunbar@one-name.org http://www.dunbarfamilysociety.org.uk (for family history information) http://www.debbiedunbar.net (for equestrian art)

Hello Pat, Here are the Dunbar's in Whyte's Dictionary: Volume 1 page 82 #2355 Dunbar, Alexander, 3 Feb 1758 - 4 Jan 1832. From Croy, INV. bro/o Robert D, qv, and William D., qv. To Pictou Co, NS, 1784 and was gr 200 acres on west branch of East River. Discharged soldier, 84th Regt, m Elizabeth Grant, qv, ch: 1. John, 1784-1848, bur Old Elgin; 2. James, 1791-1868. HPC App H; PAC 53, 55; NSN 30/296 #2356 Dunbar, Elizabeth 1784-1870. From Dufftown, BAN to ONT 1833; stld Nichol Twp, Wellington Co., Wife of John Munro, qv DC 31 Dec 1979. #2357 Dunbar, George Home, d Oct 1839. From Edinburgh, s/o Prof George D. To Niagra Twp, Lincoln Co., ONT, and d there. Lt, 93rd Highlanders. DGH 15 Nov 1839. #2358 Dunbar, John, ca 1782-15 Nov 1829. Prob from INV. To Pictou, NS. Bur Old Elgin. m Janet Monroe. DC 20 Nov 1976 #2359 Dunbar, Robert. From INV. bro/o Alexander D, qv, and William D, qv. To East River, Pictou Co, NS, <18 Dec 1797, and gr 450 acres. Prob discharged soldier. HPC App H. #2360 Dunbar, William, 1755-03 Sep 1831. From INV. bro/o Alexander D, qv, and Robert D, qv. To Pictou Co., NS, and stld Big Brook, west branch of East River, 1785. m Amelia Rose, qv. ch: 1 James; 2. Donald; 3. Rev Hugh, PEI; 4. Alexander; 5. Christsy; 6. Isabella; 7. Kitty; 8. Elizabeth; 9. Jessie. PAC 48; DC 20 Nov 1976 Volume 2, page 76 #2177 Dunbar, Anne, 1810-69. From Brechin, ANS. d/o George D. and Helen Ogilvy. To Clarendon Twp, Pontiac Co, QUE, ca 1845. m John Craig, qv MRN 106 #2178 Dunbar, Mary. Poss from Huntly, ABD. To Westminster Twp, Middlesex Co, ONT, ca 1836. Wife or wid/o James Murray. She sold property to George Murray, qv, in 1846. DC 22 Feb 1967 #2179 Dunbar, Rev William. From Inverness. Grad MA, Kings Coll, Aberdeen, 1813. To NS. Clergyman. KCG 273 Abbreviations: (I'll not repeat any that appeared in my previous post.) INV = Inverness ANS = Angus NS = Nova Scotia BAN = Banff ABD = Aberdeen From the Bibliography DGH = Dumfries and Galloway Herald & Advertiser (merged in 1844 with the Galloway Register to become the Dumfries & Galloway Herald & Register). HPC = History of Pictou County, by Rev. George Patterson, Montreal, 1877 PAC = The Pioneers and Churches ..., by Daniel Keith Ross. New Glasgow, NS: 1955 KCG = Officers and Graduates of University and King's College, Aberdeen, MVD-MDCCCLX (1495-1860), edited by Peter John Anderson. Aberdeen: New Spalding Club, 1893. Note: As I was preparing this listing, I noted a high number of what appeared to be Middle Initials "D" in the listings for siblings. In checking the book's listing of abbreviations, a lower case "d" is used for died or dead, and no instance of the upper case "D" was shown as an abbreviation. However, in nearly every instance of a listing with siblings throughout the book, the "D" appears following the given name. This letter may have been used to indicate died or dead instead of the lower case letter, or it may truly be a middle initial. Just a word of caution..... Diane Scannell Patrick Dunbar wrote: >Diane, > >Would you please be so kind as to see how many DUNBAR's are listed? > >If there are many, please let me have the total and I'll see if I borrow the >books on inter-library loan. If there are a few, I would be most grateful >for the details. > >Many thanks! >Pat > > >

Hi all and its a great big thanks to you lot out there that have been helping me break down a 15 year old brick wall well its down and its great and this family is mine I have chequed it out with what I already new and its mine without a dought hear it is and you will see where the naming pattern comes in 1841-1851 living Lockerbie Hill Drysfesdale Robert Douglas age 40 ag/lab Mary Douglas age 30 wife + William age 14 son Margaret age 12 daughter George age 10 son Mary age 8 daughter my[ G grandmother] Jane age 5 daughter John age 3 daughter once again a great big thanks because without all you lot I could never have done it Audrey ROBERT DOUGLAS

HI Audrey Why don't you give the names you're looking for, maybe we can help. Trudie ----- Original Message ----- From: "audrey render" <audrey.render@ntlworld.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:40 AM Subject: re Greenbrae Loaning > Hi all yes its me again you must be getting sick of me by now but I do have a further question I have the 1881 census and I have been through every family living in Dumfries and there is not a single family registered as living in Greenbrae Loaning I have looked at an old map and there is houses there > Audrey > > ______________________________

Marcia, Volume 1, page 9 No David Armstrong #232 Armstrong, Thomas, b ca 1757. From Nethermlin, Glencairn, DFS. bro/o Christopher A, qv, and of William A, qv. To Georgetown, Kings Co., PEI, on the Lovely Nellie, ex Annan. ELN #233 Armstrong, Thomas. From Castleton, ROX. To Queensbury par. York Co, NB, prob 1819. m Agnes Murray, qv, ch: 1. Adam; 2. James, alive 1877; 3 Charles; 4. Catherine; 5. Elizabeth. DC 16 Jul 1979 Page 71 #2056 Currie, Neil, b ca 1794. From Is Arran, BUT. To Restigouche Co, NB, ca 1819. Petitioned 9 Feb 1821 for 150 acres - Lot 74 - on the south side of Restigouche River. DC 31 May 1980 #2057 Currie, Neil, Prob from Kilmory, Is Arran, BUT. To QUE, 1828; stld Hull, Ottawa Co. m Flora Grant, qv, ch: 1 Mary; 2. John; 3. Peter; 4. David; 5. Daniel; 6. Alexander; 7. Flora; 8. Elizabeth. DC 24 Nov 1981 Volume 2, page 8 No David Armstrong #234 Armstrong, Thomas. From DFS. To ONT, 1825; stld Toronto, later in Napanee Twp, Lennox and Addington Co. Went to Jackson Co, MI, USA, ca 1862. Axe-maker, in assoc with Elliot Scott A, qv, to whom prob rel. MRN !!! No Neil Currie or Curry. Abbreviations: DFS = Dumfries qv = found elsewhere in this dictionary stld = settled BUT = Bute ROX = Roxburgh NB = New Brunswick DC = from the Bibliography - Dictionary Correspondence. Letters to the author regarding Scottish emigrants to Canada. Where the letter "A" follows an oblique stroke, the letter is in a file on the U.S.A. Filed in 14 lever-arch files. ELN = from the Bibliography - List of Emigrants on the Lovely Nellie. Solway Firth to St. John's Island, 1774-75 (two voyages). Original in the Public Record Office, London, ref. T47/12, and copy in the Public Archives of Canada, ref. MG15. MRN = from the Bibliography - Miscellaneous Research Notes. Random notes from a variety of sources contained in the library of the author. Hope this helps. Diane Scannell Docladd wrote: >Hi, I was wondering if someone with the " Dictionary of Scottish Immigrants to Canada" would mind looking up Thomas Armstrong, David Armstrong, or Neil Currie from somewhere from 1840 to 1851 for Thomas. > >Thanks in advance. Marcia > > >

Hi Audrey A large portion of Dumfries 1881 census was lost, so has never been filmed. Other ways are directories and Valuation rolls. Regards Ian. Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: audrey render [mailto:audrey.render@ntlworld.com] Sent: 19 August 2004 12:40 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [D-G LIST] re Greenbrae Loaning Hi all yes its me again you must be getting sick of me by now but I do have a further question I have the 1881 census and I have been through every family living in Dumfries and there is not a single family registered as living in Greenbrae Loaning I have looked at an old map and there is houses there Audrey --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.737 / Virus Database: 491 - Release Date: 11/08/04 ________________________________________________________________________ Full speed 512K broadband from Freeola just £26.99 - forget the rest FREE unlimited web space, e-mail & domain hosting www.freeola.com

Hi all yes its me again you must be getting sick of me by now but I do have a further question I have the 1881 census and I have been through every family living in Dumfries and there is not a single family registered as living in Greenbrae Loaning I have looked at an old map and there is houses there Audrey

Audrey, This is an excerpt from a message I sent to the List a few years ago about this problem. --------- The missing EDs were EDs 13 through 27. I found the following handwritten note after ED 7 and before ED 8 on LDS film 0224047: "Dumfries 13-27 not found in Basement Rooms at removal." (As to which Basement Rooms, I do not know. In Edinburgh? Dumfries?) EDs 1 through 12 cover most but not all of Greyfriars and St Mary's Parishes. None of the EDs for St Michael's Parish survived. My best guess is that over 50% of the population of the Burgh is NOT enumerated in the surviving EDs. Perhaps a more knowledgeable Lister has a better assessment. Below is a listing of the Enumeration Districts ON the film and the streets that are included in each ED: ED 1 - Part of Greyfriars Parish - parts of: Castle St., Church Place, Church Crescent, Academy St., Nithmount Terrace, Buccleuch St., Irving St., Gordon St., George St., Charlotte St., Burgh Police Station ED 2 - Part of Greyfriars Parish - parts of: Bridge St., Brewrey St., Friars Vennel, St. David St., Buccleuch St., County Prison ED 3 - Part of Greyfriars Parish - parts of: Buccleuch St., Castle St., Friars Vennel, Greyfriars St., St. David St., St. Andrew St., Queensberry St., Church Crescent ED 4 - Part of Greyfriars Parish - parts of: High St., Chapel St., Church Place, St Andrew St., Queensberry St., Queensberry Square ED 5 - Part of Greyfriars Parish - parts of: Friars Vennel, Irish St., Bank St., Whitesands, Brewrey St., Bridge St. ED 6 - Part of Greyfriars Parish - parts of: Friars Vennel, High St., Long Close, Irish St. ED 7 - Part of Greyfriars Parish - parts of: Long Close, High St., Midsteeples Buildings, Turnpike Close, Bank St., Irish St. ED 8 - Part of Greyfriars Parish - parts of: Academy St., Queensberry St., Queensberry Square, King St., Loreburn St. ED 9 - Part of Greyfriars Parish - parts of: Loreburn St., Nichol Rae's Close, Union St., High St., Queensberry Square, Queensberry St., King St. ED 10 - Part of St Mary's Parish - parts of: Nichol Rae's Close, South Queensberry St., Union St., High St., English St., Loreburn St. ED 11 - Part of St Marys Parish - parts of: English St., Shakespeare St., Queen St. ED 12 - Part of St Mary's Parish - parts of: Queen St., English St., High St., Shakespeare St. I hope this helps anyone frustrated with disappearing ancestors in Dumfries during the 1881 Census. Yours aye, John Jardine Cincinnati, Ohio USA D&G FHS Member #1918 Alba mo dhuthaich gu deireadh mo la! (Scotland my homeland forever!) JARDINE/JARDEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Annan, Applegarth, Wamphray, Torthorwald, Collin, Racks, Cummertrees, Powfoot, Mouswald, Kirkmichael, Templand; GREEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; RAE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; MOFFAT in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; McMILLAN in Dumfries, Kirkcudbright, Irongray; HALLIDAY in Irongray; BRODIE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; DICKSON in Mouswald; HOPE in Annan; JOHNSTON(E) in Applegarth, Kirkpatrick-Juxta; PORTEOUS in Applegarth; RICHARDSON in Applegarth

Hi, I was wondering if someone with the " Dictionary of Scottish Immigrants to Canada" would mind looking up Thomas Armstrong, David Armstrong, or Neil Currie from somewhere from 1840 to 1851 for Thomas. Thanks in advance. Marcia