Hi Judy It is still free, at least it was last week. The fee based service is for corporate users, you just need to click the right button. Regards Ian. Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: J A Olsen [mailto:Copywriter@tesco.net] Sent: 06 September 2004 18:37 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Hi Malcolm I agree its a swiz. There was a big hoo and haa when this was launched because it allowed text based searches linked to the images. However altho that facility is now fee based, I think you can still search by parish cant you? Judy ---------- >From: "Malcolm Paterson" <mdp1@sympatico.ca> >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [D-G LIST] >Date: 06, Mon Sep, 2004, 3:29 pm > > Hi List; > > I was surprised and saddened to learn that the online "Statistical Accounts > of Scotland" is now a subscription service. Someone obviously recognized a > way to make a quid or two. And it doesn't come cheap either - £60 for those > outside the UK. > > Cheers! > Malcolm > > Cheers! > Malcolm > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************** > To UNSUBSCRIBE > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. > ************************************************************************ > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If your line involves the surname BRUCE why not join CLAN-BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 03/09/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 03/09/04

Judy, Adding to Ian's reply, just click on the tab you want at the top to bypass the subscription service. It confused me the first time I saw it. Yours aye, John Jardine Cincinnati, Ohio USA D&G FHS Member #1918 Alba mo dhuthaich gu deireadh mo la! (Scotland my homeland forever!) JARDINE/JARDEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Annan, Applegarth, Wamphray, Torthorwald, Collin, Racks, Cummertrees, Powfoot, Mouswald, Kirkmichael, Templand; GREEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; RAE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; MOFFAT in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; McMILLAN in Dumfries, Kirkcudbright, Irongray; HALLIDAY in Irongray; BRODIE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; DICKSON in Mouswald; HOPE in Annan; JOHNSTON(E) in Applegarth, Kirkpatrick-Juxta; PORTEOUS in Applegarth; RICHARDSON in Applegarth

Hi Malcolm I agree its a swiz. There was a big hoo and haa when this was launched because it allowed text based searches linked to the images. However altho that facility is now fee based, I think you can still search by parish cant you? Judy ---------- >From: "Malcolm Paterson" <mdp1@sympatico.ca> >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [D-G LIST] >Date: 06, Mon Sep, 2004, 3:29 pm > > Hi List; > > I was surprised and saddened to learn that the online "Statistical Accounts > of Scotland" is now a subscription service. Someone obviously recognized a > way to make a quid or two. And it doesn't come cheap either - £60 for those > outside the UK. > > Cheers! > Malcolm > > Cheers! > Malcolm > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************** > To UNSUBSCRIBE > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. > ************************************************************************ >

This is off-topic, but I was wondering if what others thought about this. I received an email on the subject transfer. While I know this will give access to more information in one spot, I have mixed emotions about it. I like the Scottish documents website and found it easy to use. I liked being able to narrow down my search before being asked to pay a fee. The Scotlandspeople website has more information, but I didn't like having to logon and immediately pay a fee. I appreciate the website affords access to information I would otherwise have to hire a researcher to review, but I found that I quickly went through the credits I purchased because a credit was required to look at nearly every page. I personally plan to use the Scottish documents website as much as I can before the merger sometime in 2006. Sharon Shumate Austin, TX

on 05/09/04 08:14 AM, Pat McIndoe at marchie8@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi List, > I was very interested to read Vol. 4, No.223, with the description by > Ron Bgrd848@cs.com about conditions in Scotland in the 1600's and after. > pretty grim stuff! > Does anyone have an idea of what conditions were like in Dumfires and > surrounding rural area in the early part of 19th Century ? > Thanks. > Pat > > Researching GLOVER and HAINING in Dfs and Kkd > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ______________________________ Pat, There is a superb description of Dumfriesshire in the early 1800s in Dorothy Wordsworth's "A Tour Made in Scotland A. D. 1803", recently reissued by James Thin, Edinburgh. Accompanied by her brother and Coleridge, she entered the shire in the southeast, traveled west to Dumfries, went up the Nith to south of Sanquhar and left via Wanlockhead and Leadhills. She was favorably impressed with the parts she saw, although not uncritical. Wordsworth forever damned Dumfries for its ill treatment of the memory of Robert Burns, whose body then lay buried in a poorly marked grave in an obscure part of the cemetery and annoyed with their accommodations in Leadhills. Also keep in mind there are several allusions to mid 18th century Dumfriesshire in Tobias Smollett's travelogues, such as "The Expedition of Humphry Clinker". These are fictional accounts, but the genius of Smollett lies in the fact that the adventures are based on actual events vividly described, yet almost all of them known to him only second or third hand. For instance, Clinker gives an elaborate description of his visit to Drumlanrigg and meeting with the Duke of Queensberry, but Smollett made only three brief visits to Scotland ‹ where he was born but left at age 19 after completing his medical studies in 1737 ‹ none of which included Dumfriesshire. You should not be left with a negative impression of the county. Gil Nicol.

Hi List; I was surprised and saddened to learn that the online "Statistical Accounts of Scotland" is now a subscription service. Someone obviously recognized a way to make a quid or two. And it doesn't come cheap either - £60 for those outside the UK. Cheers! Malcolm Cheers! Malcolm

Hi List, I was very interested to read Vol. 4, No.223, with the description by Ron Bgrd848@cs.com about conditions in Scotland in the 1600's and after. pretty grim stuff! Does anyone have an idea of what conditions were like in Dumfires and surrounding rural area in the early part of 19th Century ? Thanks. Pat Researching GLOVER and HAINING in Dfs and Kkd _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Carn, I personally can't shed any light on your RAIN family, but you might want to check the online 1851 Census for any RAINs living in the Dumfries and Galloway region at that time. Please note that when you type in the Surname RAIN, the search results start with DRAIN - don't know why, but it does. Just move forward a few pages until you get to the start of the RAINs. Yours aye, John Jardine Cincinnati, Ohio USA D&G FHS Member #1918 Alba mo dhuthaich gu deireadh mo la! (Scotland my homeland forever!) JARDINE/JARDEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Annan, Applegarth, Wamphray, Torthorwald, Collin, Racks, Cummertrees, Powfoot, Mouswald, Kirkmichael, Templand; GREEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; RAE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; MOFFAT in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; McMILLAN in Dumfries, Kirkcudbright, Irongray; HALLIDAY in Irongray; BRODIE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; DICKSON in Mouswald; HOPE in Annan; JOHNSTON(E) in Applegarth, Kirkpatrick-Juxta; PORTEOUS in Applegarth; RICHARDSON in Applegarth

The Statistical Account (1790s) and New Statistical Account (1830s) should prove helpful to you, Pat. Iain > Message date : Sep 05 2004, 01:15 PM > From : "Pat McIndoe" > To : DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Copy to : > Subject : [D-G LIST] 1800's in DUMFRIES > Hi List, > I was very interested to read Vol. 4, No.223, with the description by > Ron Bgrd848@cs.com about conditions in Scotland in the 1600's and after. > pretty grim stuff! > Does anyone have an idea of what conditions were like in Dumfires and > surrounding rural area in the early part of 19th Century ? > Thanks. > Pat > > Researching GLOVER and HAINING in Dfs and Kkd > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > DO NOT send files as Email attachments to the list. > Send them privately - person to person. > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > > -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

Pat, Adding to Iain's reply, go to: _http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/stat-acc-scot/stat-acc-scot.asp_ (http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/stat-acc-scot/stat-acc-scot.asp) and click on Parish List, then click on the timeframe you want, then go to Dumfries. Yours aye, John Jardine Cincinnati, Ohio USA D&G FHS Member #1918 Alba mo dhuthaich gu deireadh mo la! (Scotland my homeland forever!) JARDINE/JARDEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Annan, Applegarth, Wamphray, Torthorwald, Collin, Racks, Cummertrees, Powfoot, Mouswald, Kirkmichael, Templand; GREEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; RAE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; MOFFAT in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; McMILLAN in Dumfries, Kirkcudbright, Irongray; HALLIDAY in Irongray; BRODIE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; DICKSON in Mouswald; HOPE in Annan; JOHNSTON(E) in Applegarth, Kirkpatrick-Juxta; PORTEOUS in Applegarth; RICHARDSON in Applegarth

good morning, My name is Carnegie Rain, to date I have been able to trace members of my family back to Willian Rain (b) 10 Aug 1837 (possibly Preston Lancs) Recently i received an email to the effect that his father was born in Kirkcudbright in 1815 by the name of John. However, looking at the site i can only find one person who was christened in1815 by the name John. presumably christened the same year as at birth. Off the kircudbright sight i found two William Rain one c1769 married to Mary Bell c1773 with a son John Rain 1807, and another William Rain Married to Elizabeth Stewart with a son John Rain 1815. Should you be able to throw any light on the Rain family it would be greatly appreciated. I look forward to being involved with your society, and thank you for the immediate responce. Carn.

Looking for the Obituaries or any other information regarding Rev Archibald McEwen 28 Sep 1904 died in Carlisle, he is buried at St John's Dumfries. Rev McEwen , was at St Mary's in E45 and then 1868 was at St John's until he retied to Carlisle. There are memorial to Rev McEwen, died 1904, his wife Susan d 1908, and his son Kenneth McEwen d 1946 and his wife Una Mary 1961. Of interest Rev McEwen officiated at the funeral of Colonel William Nicol Burns on 28 Feb 1872 last surviving son of the Poet Robert Burns. Any information would be appreciated Thank you Camille McEwen

Can anyone tell me where to find Huggins in the Parish of Urr? I have a birth there in 1895, registered at Hardgate, but can find no trace on the present OS map. I think that it would have been a cottage rather than a farm. Mary _________________________________________________________________ I use Burrotech's free email (POP & SMTP) server with anti-virus support, Office Mail. Get Office Mail free at http://www.burrotech.com/officemail _________________________________________________________________

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I am looking for John Lynch married to Helen Bruce. I understand that they were from Dunbarton. Their daughter, Mary was married in Balfron the 3rd of May 1858. She married James Moiser. Mary was born in 1840. Thanks...Billie

In a message dated 03/09/2004 21:01:25 GMT Daylight Time, lesc@home4593.freeserve.co.uk writes: > Can anyone tell me where to find Huggins in the Parish of Urr? > It is probably Hogan's Hole, shortened to Hogan's Sandy

Tom,I have an Agnes McGhee MILLIGAN b 24 Nov 1806 in New Cumnock AYR.Her parents were Anthony MILLIGAN and Margaret FRIAR, their first son John was born in Kirkcowan WIG, 6 Nov 1793, the next few wereborn in Penningham WIG then New Cumnock where a William was born 20 Jun 1814.Would your William be a brother to my Anthony? If the Scottish namingpattern was followed, Anthony's parents may have been John and Jean.RegardsJenny

Hi David Sounds like Bessiwalla, also known as Bersewallie (varoius spellings) It is near Dunscore, Dumfriesshire. Today, it is miles off the beaten track and there is only one house there but it was a good sized Farmtoun in the old days. Regards Ian. Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: David Grierson [mailto:griersonworldproject@mail.tqci.net] Sent: 02 September 2004 16:02 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [D-G LIST] I have a question, hoping for some information Hello - I want to pose a question here, because this is the most progressive list that I belong to and there are a lot of expertise here that I DO NOT find anywhere else. I have a Will that (along with many other things) makes me think: JONET GREIRSONE, dated October 15th, 1582; CC8/8/11, pages 3. Edinburgh Commissary Court.... ....sometime spouse to William MacFadzeane in BARSEWALLA [sic], alias BRAIDWELL..... Notice how Barsewalla [sic] is alias Braidwell? My question is, - have their been studies by scholars that pinpointed or identified these ancient little villages, towns, compared them and perhaps written books that gives their history.....one example that we have in the United States is something entitled "extinct towns". Can someone direct me to a good source? David ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.tqci.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by tqci.net] ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== FIND YOUR ANCESTORS http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 27/08/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 27/08/04 ________________________________________________________________________ Full speed 512K broadband from Freeola just £26.99 - forget the rest FREE unlimited web space, e-mail & domain hosting www.freeola.com

Further to my first email on finding info on 'extinct' placenames. I checked the site and realise that some of you may be a bit confused by all the possible options offered by this excellent Edinburgh University site. To go directly to the ANY WORD SEARCH us this link: http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/anyword.html Sandy

Hi David, I'm sure we have exchanged emails in the past. > My question is, - have their been studies by scholars that pinpointed or > identified these ancient little villages, towns, compared them and perhaps > written books that gives their history... The best paper source is Groomes but the following new online free access service is the best I know of for information on 'extinct' placenames: http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/ You should then be able to pinpoint the location. Once you have done that look at the SAFHS Membership List at: www.safhs.org.uk where you can identify the Genealogical Society for that area. If anyone knows of books about the actuall history of the place they will. Sandy