I wonder if anyone in this Group is researching Rutherfurd or anyone who would be able to help me find Andrew Rutherford and Isobel Scot. Births around 1725 and marriage about 1750 in the Borders area, Roxburghshire, probably around Jedburgh. I have their children Walter b.1754 Andrew b. 1757 Robert b. 1760 and Thomas b. 1763 Suggestions of where I might search for them would also be helpful. Many thanks in anticipation. Arthur Rutherford

Hi Trudie Many thanks for what appears to be a major breakthrough for me! I am probably the only lister who doesn't know, but can someone tell me what a BVRI 2nd edition is please? My thanks to everyone for their helpful facts about the Irish in Scotland. The last child of Thomas and Jane was Annie, born 1870 in Campsie Stirling. The family lived in Pendlebury Lancs by the 1881 census. Best wishes Chris -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

on 10/09/04 09:10 AM, Mike Calder at mikecalder@optusnet.com.au wrote: > G'day , > > I have found the following on the D & G Library Archives Historical > Indexes - Kirk Sessions. > >>>> > Topic: irregular marriage to Jean Cowan > > Notes: irregular marriage >>>> > > With a date of 4 March 1777. > > As there is no record of a marriage in the OPR, although their children > were subsequently baptised, would I be correct in assuming that they > were actually married on this date - presumably after some sort of > penance? > > Mike CALDER > http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ > Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE > D&GFHS #2979 > > > ______________________________ Mike, Perhaps the most often encountered citation of "irregular marriage" is that referring to the marriage of a parishioner in another parish without the banns having been pronounced in his home parish. Indeed the irregularity is readily overcome by the expression of remorse and payment of a fine to compensate for the fee the parishioner sought to evade. I assume the charge is leveled only if the parishioner and his bride return to his home parish. In any case, a record of the marriage or banns or both should be found in the bride's parish. Gil Nicol

For anyone who does not know about, or has not tried to find connections at the Scottishdocuments.com site, you should really give that a good browse......they are updating it all the time. From this year to last in my work, the Griersons, they have added about 150 additional Wills and Inventories. David ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.tqci.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by mail.tqci.net]

HI Chris It's the BRITISH ISLES VITAL RECORDS INDEX, It's a set of 16 CD's with about 10 million births and Christenings in it from the UK. I'll send you more info on Thomas's siblings off list. Cheers Trudie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Thomas" <christine@thomas7765.fsnet.co.uk> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: Thomas TOOLAN > Hi Trudie Many thanks for what appears to be a major breakthrough for me! I am probably the only lister who doesn't know, but can someone tell me what a BVRI 2nd edition is please? > My thanks to everyone for their helpful facts about the Irish in Scotland. The last child of Thomas and Jane was Annie, born 1870 in Campsie Stirling. The family lived in Pendlebury Lancs by the 1881 census. Best wishes Chris > > -- > > Whatever you Wanadoo: > http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ > > This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm > > ______________________________

Margaret The following NEILSONs, in alphabetical order, are listed in the Book of Kirkpatrick-Durham with various notes about them - If any are of interest, I can let you have details. (All of them if you wish). Edward, Gilbert, Isobel, John of Barncalzie, John of Corsock died 1666, John of Corsock died 1706, John of Corsock died 1748, John of Lochenkit, John of Marwhirn, John at the Mill, Robert of Barncalzie, Robert Glendinning, Thomas of Kilquhanity, Thomas of Knockwalloch, William, William writer in Dumfries. Bill Stark ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Nixon" <m.mnixon@satlink.com.au> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] NEILSON families Kirkcudbright > Greetings to all. > Is there anyone researching the NEILSON families of Kirkcudbright. > I am especially interested in the NEILSONs from the parishes of Buittle, Balmaghie, Corsock, Kelton, Tongland Kirkcudbright. > > Cheers > Margaret > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > FIND YOUR ANCESTORS > http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ > >

Hi Chritine Could this be your Thomas taken from the BVRI 2nd edition Cheers Trudie rsearching PRINGLE from Dumfries area TOOLAN, Thomas Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 8 Dec 1828 Birthplace: , Applegarth, Dumfries, Scotland Recorded in: Applegarth, Dumfries, Scotland Father: Daniel TOOLAN Mother: Jean ANGUS Source: FHL Film 1067956 Dates: 1763 - 1855

Dear Ann, The only historically direct reference to the McClary family in Scotland that I've come across can be found within the Fellows family genealogy at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/5832/thefellowsfamily.htm as remembered by Mary Fellows Cavanagh: 'In the "McGaffey Genealogy" we read that the McGaffeys fought in the wars of Scotland in the Seventeenth Century. "After the defeat of the Covenanters at Brothwell Bridge, the extensive landed estates of these families were confiscated." Then my great, great grandfather, Neal McGaffey, fled to Ireland with his family."He was accompanied by his kinsman, McClary and family. They brought with them a good sized treasure of gold, which they had secreted and saved from the wreck of their fortunes." ' Other family information from this time is very scanty; Irish sources I've sought for specific members are scattered or destroyed. A fuller account of one McClary lineage is Horace P. McClary's "Four Generations of McClarys" referring to the family of Revolutionary War hero Maj. Andrew McClary. It mentions their involvement in the Siege of Derry in 1689 and eventual migration to the colonies in 1726 with a Presbyterian minister and his congregation. If this is of any help I would be glad to keep in touch off-site. Sincerely, Janet McClary Ontario, Canada Ann Milroy wrote: I have recently been doing some McChlery research. My gg grandmother was Isabella McChlery born 1809, Stoneykirk and I have traces her line back to my gggggg grandparents James McChlery and Isabel Tarbert. I am now attempting to compile a one name study. So far I have some 500 - 600 names - all McChlerys or married to one. Initially I have concentrated on McChlery families originating in Wigtownshire but will extend coverage. Variations include McChlerie, McChery, McCherie, McCleary, McClearie, Chlery Clerie etc. Any information on the family from list members will be gratefully received. Ann

Good morning Chris One way of finding parents is to ascertain when they died -hopefully after 1855. A good source would be a wedding of one of their children - to see if they are still living - and another would be on the 1881 Census. The Irish literally flooded Scotland due to a) the Plantations and b) the Famines there. Just have a wee look at Glasgow in the mid-1800's. Ewan PS If I can help further please ask. ROOTS Consulting Services (Scotland) Personalised Tours and all aspects of Genealogical Research - www.ancestryroots.co.uk Ayrshire Online - Family History sources within Ayrshire - www.ancestryroots.co.uk/ayrshire-onlineindex.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Thomas" <christine@thomas7765.fsnet.co.uk> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: The Irish in Scotland > My gt gt grandfather Thomas Toolan is shown as being born in Scotland in > 1829 as is his wife Jane Bell of gavingill Kirbean Kirkcudbright. I > haven't been able to get any further back but in my search I find that the > Toolan name is more common in Ireland. Did many Irish people move into > Scotland in the late 1700s/early 1800s? Does anyone have any suggestions > as to how I can find Thomas and Jane's parents please? I am based in S. > Wales. Best wishes Chris > > -- > > Whatever you Wanadoo: > http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ > > This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: > http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm > > ______________________________

There was constant traffic across from the SW of Scotland to Ireland. The crossing is shorter than the English channel in places. Travel by road was a nightmare and there were no trains of course until later on. Havent checked but would guess about 1840s. So for someone eg in 1775, they would consider it easier to get to Ireland than to Edinburgh. If you can find the TOOLANs alive and kicking in the 1851 census that of course should give their places of birth. Judy ---------- >From: Christine Thomas <christine@thomas7765.fsnet.co.uk> >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [D-G LIST] The Irish in Scotland >Date: 08, Wed Sep, 2004, 11:42 am > > Did many Irish people move into Scotland in the late 1700s/early 1800s?

Greetings to all. Is there anyone researching the NEILSON families of Kirkcudbright. I am especially interested in the NEILSONs from the parishes of Buittle, Balmaghie, Corsock, Kelton, Tongland Kirkcudbright. Cheers Margaret

Hi I have a Janet CARRUTHERS b.1832 married to Ebernezer NEILSON b.1832 Dalry Kirkcudbright there children were: Elizabeth b.1864 Dumfries,John b 1866 Moffat,Jane b.1868 Lanark,Jessie b.1874 Lanark. Ian Carruthers............ home@zim.co.zw ----- Original Message ----- From: M Nixon <m.mnixon@satlink.com.au> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:37 AM Subject: [D-G LIST] NEILSON families Kirkcudbright > Greetings to all. > Is there anyone researching the NEILSON families of Kirkcudbright. > I am especially interested in the NEILSONs from the parishes of Buittle, Balmaghie, Corsock, Kelton, Tongland Kirkcudbright. > > Cheers > Margaret

My gt gt grandfather Thomas Toolan is shown as being born in Scotland in 1829 as is his wife Jane Bell of gavingill Kirbean Kirkcudbright. I haven't been able to get any further back but in my search I find that the Toolan name is more common in Ireland. Did many Irish people move into Scotland in the late 1700s/early 1800s? Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can find Thomas and Jane's parents please? I am based in S. Wales. Best wishes Chris -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

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Hi Lois Try http://www.dalbeattie.info/postcard/haugh/viewer.htm for a selection of pictures from around the Haugh. David On 7 Sep 2004, at 21:03, Lois McNaught wrote: > Hi All, > > Am looking for pictures of the Haugh of Urr, and especially the Urr > Parish > Church, preferably on the Internet. Can anyone help? > > Lois > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************** > To UNSUBSCRIBE > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) > with > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO > signature. > *********************************************************************** > * >

Hello all, Just rejoined this excellent list. Is there now, or was there ever, a place called DORNOCKHEAD? I'm thinking farm or cottage or hamlet, and surmising it may be near Dornock. Or if you think it sounds/looks like somewhere else, I'm open to suggestions. TIA, Margo in Glasgow Searching for SLOAN, KENNEDY, BURGESS in Dumfriesshire; SMITH, REID, McANDREW in North East Scotland

Thanks for the encouragement, Ian. I never did find the right button, but did finally discover that I could get there by googling "Statistical Accounts of Scotland". Cheers! Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian A McClumpha" <imchad@freeola.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: RE: [D-G LIST] > Hi Judy > > It is still free, at least it was last week. The fee based service is for > corporate users, you just need to click the right button. > > Regards > Ian. > Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please > visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: J A Olsen [mailto:Copywriter@tesco.net] > Sent: 06 September 2004 18:37 > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] > > > Hi Malcolm > > I agree its a swiz. There was a big hoo and haa when this was launched > because it allowed text based searches linked to the images. > > However altho that facility is now fee based, I think you can still search > by parish cant you? > > > Judy > > ---------- >>From: "Malcolm Paterson" <mdp1@sympatico.ca> >>To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [D-G LIST] >>Date: 06, Mon Sep, 2004, 3:29 pm >> > >> Hi List; >> >> I was surprised and saddened to learn that the online "Statistical > Accounts >> of Scotland" is now a subscription service. Someone obviously recognized >> a >> way to make a quid or two. And it doesn't come cheap either - £60 for > those >> outside the UK. >> >> Cheers! >> Malcolm >> >> Cheers! >> Malcolm >> >> >> >> ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== >> ******************************************************************** >> To UNSUBSCRIBE >> send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail >> mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with >> only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. >> ************************************************************************ >> > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > If your line involves the surname BRUCE why not join > CLAN-BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 03/09/04 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 03/09/04 > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************** > To UNSUBSCRIBE > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. > ************************************************************************ > >

Hi All, Am looking for pictures of the Haugh of Urr, and especially the Urr Parish Church, preferably on the Internet. Can anyone help? Lois

I have recently been doing some McChlery research. My gg grandmother was Isabella McChlery born 1809, Stoneykirk and I have traces her line back to my gggggg grandparents James McChlery and Isabel Tarbert. I am now attempting to compile a one name study. So far I have some 500 - 600 names - all McChlerys or married to one. Initially I have concentrated on McChlery families originating in Wigtownshire but will extend coverage. Variations include McChlerie, McChery, McCherie, McCleary, McClearie, Chlery Clerie etc. Any information on the family from list members will be gratefully received. Ann

Hi Sharon, It will still be free to view the index of wills when it moves to Scotlandspeople. I couldn't agree with you more about the use of credits. There should be a much better search engine to get any value from it. Oh the days of the wonderful search engine at Scots Origins. Sheena. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mscaleb" <mscaleb@texas.net> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:53 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] Transfer of ScottishDocuments.com to ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk > This is off-topic, but I was wondering if what others thought about > this. I received an email on the subject transfer. While I know this > will give access to more information in one spot, I have mixed emotions > about it. I like the Scottish documents website and found it easy to > use. I liked being able to narrow down my search before being asked to > pay a fee. The Scotlandspeople website has more information, but I > didn't like having to logon and immediately pay a fee. I appreciate the > website affords access to information I would otherwise have to hire a > researcher to review, but I found that I quickly went through the > credits I purchased because a credit was required to look at nearly > every page. I personally plan to use the Scottish documents website as > much as I can before the merger sometime in 2006. > > Sharon Shumate > Austin, TX > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > To reach every member of the list : > Send Email to ....... DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > >