Hi - I've been lurking in the background for a while now trying to remember where I saw a message from someone who wanted copies of old photographs - or the originals. Not too sure if it was for a genealogy website or a book. Does anyone remember anything about this? May

DGFHS volunteers have completed the transcription of both old Dunscore (Portrack) and Dunscore Village graveyards, but the preparation prior to publication is still ongoing. Closeburn and Dalgarnock together, followed by Penpont are likely to come out ahead of Dunscore. I'll let the list know when they are available. Sandy PS As always, visitors to the Reserach Centre of course can view the drafts. > > > I seem to recall that early this year someone was transcribing the > monumental inscription for Dunscore - if this is correct are they available > to buy? > > Thank you > Cheryl > Australia >

Hi Everyone, Could one of the expert genealogists give there views on this entry made in Canongate, Midlothian on 29th October,1785 please. BAILLIE - Menzies Baillie Daughter Robert Keneday Merchant and Ellisabeth Alviso his spouse had a son born the 8th of September and baptized the 30th current. Witnesses William Dalrymple in Edinburgh and Mr John Baillie. Other entries on the page read as follows - SUTHERLAND - Jannet Daughter to William Sutherland shoemaker and Cathrine Menzies his spouse had a daughter born the 28th Oct and baptized the 30th current. Witnesses William Gordon and William Pringle both residenters. My queries are: Do you think Menzies is a male or female child? Do you think that it could be the son of the daughter of Robert Keneday and Ellisabeth? On the IGI this entry is recorded as Menzies_Baillie Keneday, could this mean that the grandparents raised this child as the daughter was too young? Children of Robert and Ellisabeth are 2 females, one male. The oldest female would have been 14 at this time. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Fiona Down Under RESEARCHING KENNEDY & COWAN in Dumfrieshire

G'day Margo, > Ellisland after Burns moved out? I found this by using CANMORE a web site that I have only just found - it was mentioned by someone on this list. If it is the farm there is even a photo. NX98SW 6 Ellisland Alternative(s):River Nith Roman Temporary Camps Dumfries And Galloway S Photographs: 16 Prints and Drawings: 1 Images on Line: 3 NX98SW 42 Ellisland Enclosure Dumfries And Galloway Photographs: 4 NX98SW 69 Ellisland Farm Farming And Fishing; Recreation Dumfries And Galloway L Photographs: 34 Print Room: 2 Images on Line: 1 NX98SW 82 Ellisland Farm, Excavations Trial Excavation Dumfries And Galloway Manuscripts: 1 It seems to be a WONDERFUL site for finding all those old hamlets, farms etc. that we are always chasing. "The Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland (RCAHMS) is responsible for recording, interpreting and collecting information about the built environment. This information, which relates to buildings, sites, and ancient monuments of archaeological, architectural and historical interest (including maritime sites and underwater constructions) is then made freely available to the public." Take a look at http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/index.html Mike.... Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979

Hi Margo Ellisland was sold to Mr John Morine of Laggan who then sold it in 1805 to a Mr Taylor. It remained in the Taylor family until 1921 when it was bought by George Williamson of the Edinburgh burns club. It was presented to the nation by his son in 1929. The land is now let out as grazing and the farmhouse and steading is run as a museum by the Friends of Ellisland group. Ellisland is actually in Dunscore parish. Regards Ian. Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: MargoH [mailto:margoh@onetel.com] Sent: 15 September 2004 21:12 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [D-G LIST] Ellisland Farm Hello, Does anyone on the list have information on who took over Ellisland after Burns moved out? I'm keen to find out the dates for a family called Taylor, who I believe lived at Ellisland in 1838. Can someone also confirm that Ellisland is in Holywood - if not, which parish please as I am about to send off for a handful of 1841 census booklets and might as well order the correct ones! Thanks, Margo in Glasgow SLOAN, BURGESS, KENNEDY in Dumfries; REID, SMITH in North East Scotland See www.makh.co.uk ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== FIND YOUR ANCESTORS http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.759 / Virus Database: 508 - Release Date: 09/09/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.759 / Virus Database: 508 - Release Date: 09/09/04

Hello, Does anyone on the list have information on who took over Ellisland after Burns moved out? I'm keen to find out the dates for a family called Taylor, who I believe lived at Ellisland in 1838. Can someone also confirm that Ellisland is in Holywood - if not, which parish please as I am about to send off for a handful of 1841 census booklets and might as well order the correct ones! Thanks, Margo in Glasgow SLOAN, BURGESS, KENNEDY in Dumfries; REID, SMITH in North East Scotland See www.makh.co.uk

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynette Benton" <lbenton@melbpc.org.au> To: <SCT-SHETLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [SHETLAND] Web Site > > I received this information on another list. > The fantastic London Times digital database and other data bases of > interest to genealogists are on free trial on the Gale site until the end > of September. There are lots of articles referring to Shetland events and > people. > > http://trials.gale.com/pubacd/index.html > > The user name is: pubacd17 > Password : durable > > Enjoy, > Lynette Benton > >

Many thanks to Eunice Smith and Florence Dunning for most useful (and speedy!) information. It appears that James McLauchlan is not listed in the Kirkbean MIs. Does anyone have any information about where he might be buried? Peter ===== There is a striking resemblance between the casual advice of the learned and the crackling of thorns under a pot (Evelyn Underhill) ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Mary Richardson In your e-mail to this list you gave a list of Menary/Manary. MANARY, Andrew, son of Andrew & Agnes Pringle MANARY. baptised 12 Oct 1839, Dumfries, born Oct 4. (Later reference says 1833 821/8, FR1977). Andrew and Agnes MANARY's daughter Agnes, born 1827, Dumfries married James McCartney, 28 April 1848. Andrew and Agnes are my g.g.grandparents on my g.g.grandmother's side of the family. Agnes and James McCartney had three children: 1. James born 1854 in Dumfries. 2. Mary born 23 April 1856 in High Church, Glasgow, died 25 October 1858. 3. Agnes born 30 April 1858 in Wilton, Rox. and died 17 May 1858 in Hawick, Rox. Mother Agnes McCartney nee Manary died 30 April 1858 in Wilton. Her death certificate states Andrew Menary as her father and he was a Chelsea Pensioner. It is noted that the spelling of their surname can vary making research rather difficult. I hope this helps a bit more with your research and I will now subscribe to MENARY-L to see if anyone else can assist me. Regards Andrew

Peter, REF: `Memorials of St Michael's: the Old Parish Churchyard of Dumfries' by William McDowall, (published Edinburgh, 1876). The text at the top of page 357 reads:- "As a medical practitioner, no one was more popular in Dumfries than he, whose amiable character, general professional attainments, and great services during a season of special calamity, are faithfully depicted on another graceful tablet, which reminds us also that he perished at the post of duty when the Burgh was attacked by cholera in 1848. The memorial record runs as follows: `Sacred to the memory of James Mclauchlan, surgeon, Dumfries. His youth was spent in the successful pursuit of professional knowledge; his manhood was devoted to the unwearied, faithful, and benevolent exercise of his high art. His life was signalised by the virtues of the Christian. His death followed his ministrations amid a plague-stricken people, and bore the evidence of that faith in which he lived. Born 14th March 1798; died 10th December 1848.'" It appears that this memorial (transcribed above) is located within the porch of St Michael's Church. Eunice Smith Edinburgh, Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Didsbury" <pdconsarch@yahoo.co.uk> James McLauchlan of Dumfries, | 1798-1848. As many will know, he was a surgeon who | ministered to the people of the town during two | cholera epidemics, and there is a memorial plaque to | him in the porch of St Michael's Church. On a recent | visit to Dumfries, I was told that he was buried in | Kirkbean kirkyard, though I failed to find the grave | the next day. I wonder if anyone has a copy of the | Kirkbean MIs, and would be willing to do a look-up for | me (since I'm back in England now). A full | transcription would be much appreciated.

Hello. Introducing myself as a new subscriber, and immediately asking for help! I have a collateral connection with James McLauchlan of Dumfries, 1798-1848. As many will know, he was a surgeon who ministered to the people of the town during two cholera epidemics, and there is a memorial plaque to him in the porch of St Michael's Church. On a recent visit to Dumfries, I was told that he was buried in Kirkbean kirkyard, though I failed to find the grave the next day. I wonder if anyone has a copy of the Kirkbean MIs, and would be willing to do a look-up for me (since I'm back in England now). A full transcription would be much appreciated. Thanks in anticipation, Peter Didsbury > > ===== There is a striking resemblance between the casual advice of the learned and the crackling of thorns under a pot (Evelyn Underhill) > > ===== There is a striking resemblance between the casual advice of the learned and the crackling of thorns under a pot (Evelyn Underhill) ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hello all, My interest in this area is in trying to trace the parents of an early Kilpatrick in our line. I have traced the family in Ayrshire. Many of them seem to have returned to Closeburn at times, and had children born there. The earliest family member I have been able to trace so far was: William KILPATRICK and his wife, Hellen Craford. Their son Allen KILPATRICK. was born at Millmannoch (Dalrymple Parish, Ayrshire) on 4 October 1725. I have no birth place or date for William, but am assuming he was born about 1690 to 1700. Some of his grandchildren were born at Glencaird (Dalrymple Parish), and so I assume a connection to Glencaird and Millmannoch in the Wigtownshire/Galloway area. Are there any local records for bmd that I can purchase to try to trace them further back in time? Or any MIs? Can anybody suggest a way of going back into the family in the 1600s? Any help would be much appreciated. We have no access to LDS FHC here, so are unable to order films of the records, etc. Thank you, and regards, Edna Sharp.

Source: MENARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MENARY-L] Menary's in Scotland; trip part 3 Hi Susan and your saintly husband Your tidbit on William McNair and Agnes McGill certainly caught my eye. William Manery and Ann McGill were my gr.gr. grandparents. I am already signed on to the www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk site. You have given me a new area to search. Cousin Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "sj phdoc" <sjphdoc@hotmail.com> To: <MENARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:39 PM Subject: [MENARY-L] Menary's in Scotland; trip part 3 > Dear Cousins, > > As you know we recently made our "Menary" trip to Europe where we went in > search of our genealogy roots. I am dividing up the information to put out > on this mailing list. > > Part 1 was the report on the disasterous record conditions we found at > PRONI in Belfast, Northern Irelenad and the photos we took of the Church > of Ireland Records at Mullaghbrack, Markethill records which many of you > are kindly transcribing now. > > Part 2 was the trip to France where the Menary's who originally came to N. > Ireland were from. Saint Menuret's bones and plaque were found in Paris > and the Province Montelimar Churches were visiited to which our ancestors > (GRoup 1 DNA Menary's) most likely attended in the late 1500's. > > Part 3 is the research we did in Scotland (see below). Further editions > will consist of specific Menary research in Ireland; both Ulster (Northern > Ireland part of the U.K.) and The Republic Of Ireland. > > I would like to note that the DNA from the Scotch Menary's have so far > proven to be of a different Haplotype than the Irish Menary's in our Group > 1. Therefore the two groups are not related. I think it lends well to > Barbara's posting on the origin of the surname and explains that the name > Menary is from at least 4 different sources as we have biologically proven > in our DNA study (see our Rootsweb web site for DNA reults Table). > > Again I would like to start by thanking my husband for the hours he spent > researching Menary's in Scotland and the time out of his vacation and > research (he's a Campbell and spent his time on Menary)! Susan J. > > SCOTLAND RESEARCH (report also available on our www.myfamily.com web site > thanks to Janice). > June 18, 2004 > > My husband and I went to the General Register Office for Scotland (GRO) > located at the New Register House, Edinburgh EH1 3YT Scotland. Telephone > 0131-314-4449 where the records for the whole country are kept. It was a > beautiful domed building in the heart of town for which I will separately > post photos; if anyone is interested please inquire. > > After registering and paying the 20 GBP pound entrance fee we were led to > computers that one could search birth, death and marriage from 1855 on and > get the image online and print for 50p a piece (we got 9 copies). The > records from before 1855 were on microfilm and after obtaining the film > numbers from the computer database one could obtain the reel and search it > for the full record. Copies of these entries would cost 13 pounds each. > > Anyone wishing copies of the list of the records the GRO has in their > care, as well as their other handouts, please let me know. > > Both my husband and I had a computer and we split the work up. Luckily one > could search with soundex, as we soon found out that putting every Menary > spelling in would still not have gotten us some of the more unusual > spellings we were previously unaware of. > > We used the microfilm database as it was the earlier records that we were > looking for. It was the "1553 - 1854 Old Parish Registers" and we started > at the beginning using all known spellings before we caught on to the > soundex system. The first Menary we ran across was not until 1734 in > Glasgow. We lose that family in 1751 and then jump to finding Menarys in > 1822 and later. Interestingly enough, Menary is not very common in > Scotland and it is apparent that they came from somewhere else mostly > around the mid- 1800's. > > Starting over this time with the soundex, we searched male births from > 1700 and obtained the following names and indexed them. It would have been > necessary to pull all the films referred to in order to get details. So we > only viewed a select few that were known to be of interest to our > subscribers. To get the full information on a listing one could write the > GRO and send the 13 pounds and the reference numbers I have noted on those > we did not view personally. > > One other note; many of their records are supposed to be on the internet > at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk billed as their "official online source" > containing 37 million names with a fully searchable index most of which > have digital images of the original documents. There is a charge but it > would be worthwhile for those of you with Scottish ancestry to use it and > report back to all of us. They expect to have it all available over the > internet in another year. > > The records I have copies of are ***. They are nice and I will send them > to whoever asks first. > > Male Births from 1700: > ***MENARY, George William, 1855, Dumfries bridge. Dec 27 0 Hr, 30 min PM > St. Michael Street Dumfries 74. Father William Menary belonging to > ordinancy survey Dumfries 25 born in County Down. ? county Down 1850 2 > boys deceased. Mother Elizabeth Menary maiden name Bailies (?) age 24, > born in County Down. Third child. > > ***MINERY, William, 1860, 572, 29, Neilston. County Renfrew. Feb 4, 1860. > 4 AM Barrhead Parish of Neilston. Father Robert Minery, shoemaker, mother > Bridget Minery maiden name Banner. Father not present. Ian Gardiner > Registrar. > > ***MINNERY, Thomas 1865, 572/81, Neilston. 1865 Mar 112AM Barrhead, Father > Robert Ninnery sailmaker and Bridget Minnery Banner married May 12, 1859 > Barrhead. Father present with original signature on the register, > registered Ian Gardiner. > > ***MANERY, George William, 1883, 692/2, 1034, Leith South. June 16, 1883 > 11:30 AM G. Kemps Close, Leith. Father William Manery Tailor Journeyman. > Margaret Manery maiden name Kirkland married 1882, Oct 11 at S. Leith. > Debbie or Jessie Kirkland maternal grandmother present and original > signature. > > MINERY, Matthew, son of James & Anna Bellarose MINERY, 21 April 1734, > Glasgow. > MINRY, Matthew, son of Matthew MINRY, 23 Feb 1742, Dumbarton. > MENRY, William, son of Matthew & Margaret Lindsey MENRY, 12 Sep 1748, > Dumbarton. > MINRY, Matthew, son of Matthew & Margaret Lindsey MENRY, 22 Oct 1751, > Dumbarton. > MAINAIR, John Scott, son of Andrew & Margaret Scott MAINAIR, 27 Aug 1822, > Gorbals. > MANARY, Andrew, son of Andrew & Agnes Pringle MANARY, Baptised 12 Oct > 1839, Dumfries, born Oct 4. (Later reference says 1833 821/8, FR1977). > > MUNARY, James, 1856 (year born/christened), 577 (RD #), 126 (Ent #), > Audinleck (Parish). > MANARY, William, 1858, 793, 94, Kelso. > MANARY, Robert, 1860, 793, 48, Kelso. > MINARY, Thomas, 1860, 282/2, 459, Dundee 2nd Dist. > MINNARY, John, 1860, 64/5, 669, Clyde Glasgow. > MENARY, John Smith, 1861, 821, 115, Dumfries. > MINNERY, John, 1862, 572, 23, Neilston. > MENARY, William, 1863, 821, 406, Dumfries. > MANARY, James, 1865, 282/2, 170, Dundee 2nd Dist. > MINNARE, James, 1865, 644/10, 1448, Hutchesontown, Glasgow. > MINNERY, Robert, 1865, 572/2, 84, Barrhead. > MEINER, James, 1868, 282/2, 493, St. Mary, Dundee. > MINNARE, Henry, 1868, 644/10, 550, Hutchesontown. > MENERY, John, 1869, 644/9, 1386, Tradeston, Glasgow. > MINNERY, Robert, 1871, 572/2, 58, Barrhead. > MENARY, Andrew, 1877, 899, 164, Stranraer. > MENARY, Alexander Welsh, 1882, 820, 86, Dryfesdale. > MENARY, George, 1883, 792, 49, Jedburg. > MENARY, Edward Burns, 1885, 792, 133, Jedburge. > > I stopped at 1885 but the records were available through 2004. I found no > Sarah Boyd for the right year with William as a parent. > > Marriages checked 1734-1855: > ***MINERY, Thomas 9 Aug 1888 and ? Hamill (James and Mary Hamill parents). > Eastwood Parish, County Renfrew. There is a lot more information on this > document but it is very hard to read. It has maiden names, parents names, > occupations, etc. Try looking it up online. > > MENARY, John, Ayr m. Marion Holmes, 25 Nov 1763 in Ayr. FR2219 Ayr Parish. > 578/8. "John McNarry Quo Die John Mennary and Marion Holms both in > dwellers in Ayr gave their names to be proclaimed in order for marriage > and after proclamation they were married." > > McNAIR, William, 1833, Vol 17, page 57 on film " William McNair weaver > Carlton and Agnes McGill, registering them as married at Glasgow 3 May > 1833 by the Rev. William Brash, minister of the United Accysion Chapel > Campbell Stuart, Glagow." Index was Barony Parish FR4382, 622/28*, found > by searching for McGill. > > MINAIRY, Andrew, m. 22 Dec 1812, 821/5, Dumfries, Agnes Pringle FR1332. > Pringle reference 821/5 FL1332. "Proclamation 1812 Dec 22 Andrew Miniary > (airy) 26th Ret. of Foot and Agnes Pringle 3 for 5/6." The librarian did > not know what that all meant and the Regiment of Foot (Foot soldiers), > book was not available. > > MANNERY, Michael, m. 22 Apr 1806, 496/4, Dumbarton, Margaret Reading. > MENARY, George, m. 28 May 1847, 821/9, Dumfries, Maria Smith / FR2156. > > Male Deaths from 1734: > ***MONARY, Andrew, laborer, formerly Soldier in 26th Reg of Foot, > pensioner, married. > 1859 Jan 17, 78 years of age. 2:30 ? Dumfries. Father William Menary mason > journeyman (deceased) Mother Elizabeth Monary, maiden name (blank) > (deceased). Buried in the Church yard of St. Michaels Dumfries, George > Menary son present at the death. 821, 24. > > ***MINNERY, Robert, foundry laborer, widower of Bridget Bonner, June 4, > 1915 6:20 PM Darnler Road Barrhead, 80 years of age. Father William > Minnery, tailor (deceased) and Ann Lawford previously Minnery M. S. > Charters (deceased). Cause of death Senile decay cardiac failure as > certified by D. B. Davidson, M.B. CHR. Informant Ann Daley daughter > (present). > > Name, Age, Mother's name, year died, film information, Parish name. > MENARY, George William, 0, Bailley, 1856, 821/1, 140, Dumfries Bridge. > MANARY, William, 26, Lade, 1856, 821/1, 70, Dumfries Bridge. > MONARY, John, 2, Monary, 1856, 282/2, Dundee 2nd. > MINARY, David Williams, 1, Minary, 1859, 282/2, 939, Dundee 2nd. > MINERIE, John, 1, McKeever, 1861, 644/3, 310, Bridgeton Glasgow. > MINNERY, John, 7, McPhillips, 1863, 572, 51, Neilston. > MINNORY, James, 1865, 644/10, 1175, Hutchesontown Glasgow. > MINNERY, Robert, 0, 1867, 572/2, 51, Barrhead. > MANNERY, Peter, 4, 1868, 282/5, 250, Lochee Dundee. > MANARIE, Samuel, 55, 1869, 600/26, Kirkland Ayr. > MANARY, James, 5, 1869, 282/2, 541, St. Mary Dundee. > MINARY, Robert, 7, 1871, 282/2, 379, St. Mary Dundee. > MINNERY, Robert, 0, 1871, 572/2, 93, Barrhead. > MENARY, James, 50, 1877, 282/2, 440, St. Mary Dundee. > MENERY, John, 7, 1877, 644/14, Kining Park. > MINNERY, William, 31, 1881, 572/2, 26, Barrhead and Levin. > MENARY, Robert, 35, 1882, 252/2, 9, St. Mary Dundee. > MENARY, Alexander Wels, 0, 1883, 820, 41, Dryfesdale. > MENARY, George, 64, 1885, 821, 73, Dumfries. > MANERY, James, 0, 1886, 282/1, 372, St. Peter, Dundee. > MINARIE, John, 60, 1886, 646/2, 624, Govan. > MENARY, Andrew, 38, 1887, 821, 61, Dumfries. > > I stopped at 1891. > > ***Census year 1891, RD 821/00, ED 015/000: > Dumfries, St. Michaels' Parish 13 Burns St. > Maria Menary, head, widow, 67 yrs, born Dumfrieshire, Dumfries. > Rebecca, dau, 37 yrs, Queen weaver, born Dumfrieshire, Dumfries. > George, son, wdr, 35, coach ?, born England. > William, son, unmarried, 27, coach wheeler, , born Dumfrieshire, Dumfries. > George, grandson, 7, scholar, born ?burghshire, Jedburgh. > > ***Census year 1891, RD 821/00, ED 015/000: > Dumfries, St. Michaels' Parish > St. Michaels' St. Margaret Menary, hd, Wd, 39, woollen minder, b. > Dumfrieshire, Dumfries. > Sarah, dau, 17, woollen marker, born ?burghshire, Maxwelltown. > George, son, 15, Woollen minder, b. Dumfrieshire, Dumfries. > Andrew, son, 13, scholer, born ? Monmaer. > Mary, dau, 11, scholer, bron ? Maxwelltown. > Meaghin, dau, 6, scholer, born Highlandshire ?. > Mary Welch, sister, 33, Millworker Woollen ?, born , b. Dumfrieshire, > Dumfries.

Judy What a WONDERFUL website! Thank you SO much for posting it.........I've discovered so much this afternoon thanks to you! edward Limpsfield, Surrey Using Norton SystemWorks

we have DMVs - deserted medieval villages. But I think your example is a bit late for this term. In Britain, communities sometimes got moved wholesale by the landlord because they were in the way of his view or because he wanted to built a 'model' village. In Scotland, some settlements were farmtouns - collections of farmers sharing the land - and these died out after the land was enclosed and parceled out to tenant farmers. But you would expect to see the name continue in most cases. Other places would die off for economic reasons. Perhaps the most famous example is Roxburgh. Anyway, a good place to start looking for settlements that are now bumps in the landscape is the database called CANMORE, run by the Historical Monuments people in Edinburgh. Just put CANMORE into google and you should find it. Judy ---------- >From: "David Grierson" <griersonworldproject@mail.tqci.net> >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [D-G LIST] I have a question, hoping for some information >Date: 02, Thu Sep, 2004, 3:01 pm > > My question is, - have their been studies by scholars that pinpointed or > identified these ancient little villages, towns, compared them and perhaps > written books that gives their history.....one example that we have in the > United States is something entitled "extinct towns".

In resubscribing I asked in error for all the emails to be sent to me please can you change this to the digest only. Many thanks

Any lister with links/knowledge of Thomas Duff; wife Agnes/Nancy nee Roddan; son Thomas b.c. 1830, Urr. (probably other siblings?). Not found to date in the 1841 census as prepared by Dumfries FHS?? by searchers up there. Oh dear. Les and Gloria, Napier, New Zealand.

Hello all, Can anybody tell me where Dornock Manse would have been in the 1830s? TIA Margo in Glasgow SLOAN, BURGESS, KENNEDY in Dumfriesshire; SMITH, REID in Aberdeenshire/Kincardineshire

G'day , I have found the following on the D & G Library Archives Historical Indexes - Kirk Sessions. >>> Topic: irregular marriage to Jean Cowan Notes: irregular marriage >>> With a date of 4 March 1777. As there is no record of a marriage in the OPR, although their children were subsequently baptised, would I be correct in assuming that they were actually married on this date - presumably after some sort of penance? Mike CALDER http://members.optusnet.com.au/mikecalder/ Researching: CALDER, DIXON, TUSON, GRACIE D&GFHS #2979

I dont think you can assume that. This looks like the date of the kirk session hearing, at which they will have been told off and maybe been told to pay a fine. The reference doesnt seem to say *which* kirk session either. If this was a non Church of Scotland church thats another reason not to find a marriage in the OPR. They should have had the banns called in the parish church, but maybe they didnt bother or maybe those records are lost. there are lots of variables and the only answer is to try and get a photocopy of the kirk session minutes you have found. Judy ---------- >From: "Mike Calder" <mikecalder@optusnet.com.au> >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [D-G LIST] Irregular Marriage >Date: 10, Fri Sep, 2004, 1:10 pm > > As there is no record of a marriage in the OPR, although their children > were subsequently baptised, would I be correct in assuming that they > were actually married on this date - presumably after some sort of > penance?