Hi Chum....I don't think we are connected, according to the information I have at the moment...my Richardsons are farmers in the parish of Torthorwald in Dumfrieshire. Mary > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Richardson > From: > chum richardson <chumrichardson@yahoo.ca> > Date: > Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:02:21 -0400 (EDT) > To: > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hello Mary > > Would you have a connection to William Richardson a miller at Parton Mill,Parton.William married Margaret Tod Dalziel.The family came to Nichol Township,Wellington County,Upper Canada in 1852. > Chum > > > > >

Dear Muff, Really not more than a guess. I would think that between 1790's and 1830's was a time when the spa at Bath started to become a "thing". I think it was in the early 19th century that british nobles and gentry started to "take the waters" at Bath and Cheltenham Spa. Bath would have increased in size substantially. No doubt they imported serving people and labourers in alot of fields. But, like I say, not much more than a guess. Jeffery Davidson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muff Worden" <muff@eldhorn.is> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 5:33 AM Subject: [D-G LIST] Re: Thomas Grierson, Esquire, of Larbreck Farm, parish of Irongray, near Dumfries, SCT. > Hi, David - > > Is the BATH referred to in the death notice the Bath in Somersetshire, > England, or another? There are several in the US, so I am curious as > to which is indicated. If it is the Bath in England, does anyone else > with D&G roots have family members who moved to that area (Bath and > environs) between 1790 and about 1830? I do, have noticed a couple > other families that have, and wonder if this was a general trend at > that time, for economic, religious or political reasons? > > Thanks - > > Muff > > On Sunday, September 26, 2004, at 11:05 AM, > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Subject: Thomas Grierson, Esquire, of Larbreck Farm, parish of > > Irongray, near Dumfries, SCT. > > > > > > You might find this fasinating, the British viewed the death of > > Loyalist (Colonel) Grierson in 1781 (date of death confirmed by the > > article) as an Assassination! A very rare find, and very timely too, > > since we now know him [James] to be the son of Thomas Grierson, Esq., > > of Larbreck Farm, parish of Irongray, near Dumfries, Scotland; could > > be, not sure yet, the son [Thomas] of Agnes McBurnie? > > > > - -------------------------------------- > > Sources: (1) The Times, Saturday, March 5th, 1864; page 1; Issue > > 24,812; column A. > > > > DEATHS.-- On the 29th February, at BATH, Louisa Grierson, relict of > > the late John Lilt [sp?], Esq., and granddaughter of the late > > (Royalist) Colonel Grierson, who was assassinated at Augusta, in > > Georgia, in 1781. > > - -------------------------------------- > > > Muff Worden > Ranargata 3 > 710 Seydisfjordur > Iceland > Phone: +354-472-1775 > Mobile/Cell/GSM: +354-849-2744 > Web: www.geocities.com/mworden.geo/ > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > DO NOT send files as Email attachments to the list. > Send them privately - person to person. > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > >

hi listers sks help please have Thomas Lowriein 1851 census age 38 b about 1813 in Minnigaff wife Mary B Ireland ,children Jane b 1833 Ireland ,Thomas b1843 Ireland Ann b1840 Stranraer, Margaret age 4mths b Newton Stewart. census address Back House brick wall no marriage or date of death of Thomas found george rider

Hi, David - Is the BATH referred to in the death notice the Bath in Somersetshire, England, or another? There are several in the US, so I am curious as to which is indicated. If it is the Bath in England, does anyone else with D&G roots have family members who moved to that area (Bath and environs) between 1790 and about 1830? I do, have noticed a couple other families that have, and wonder if this was a general trend at that time, for economic, religious or political reasons? Thanks - Muff On Sunday, September 26, 2004, at 11:05 AM, DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: Thomas Grierson, Esquire, of Larbreck Farm, parish of > Irongray, near Dumfries, SCT. > > > You might find this fasinating, the British viewed the death of > Loyalist (Colonel) Grierson in 1781 (date of death confirmed by the > article) as an Assassination! A very rare find, and very timely too, > since we now know him [James] to be the son of Thomas Grierson, Esq., > of Larbreck Farm, parish of Irongray, near Dumfries, Scotland; could > be, not sure yet, the son [Thomas] of Agnes McBurnie? > > - -------------------------------------- > Sources: (1) The Times, Saturday, March 5th, 1864; page 1; Issue > 24,812; column A. > > DEATHS.-- On the 29th February, at BATH, Louisa Grierson, relict of > the late John Lilt [sp?], Esq., and granddaughter of the late > (Royalist) Colonel Grierson, who was assassinated at Augusta, in > Georgia, in 1781. > - -------------------------------------- > Muff Worden Ranargata 3 710 Seydisfjordur Iceland Phone: +354-472-1775 Mobile/Cell/GSM: +354-849-2744 Web: www.geocities.com/mworden.geo/

You might find this fasinating, the British viewed the death of Loyalist (Colonel) Grierson in 1781 (date of death confirmed by the article) as an Assassination! A very rare find, and very timely too, since we now know him [James] to be the son of Thomas Grierson, Esq., of Larbreck Farm, parish of Irongray, near Dumfries, Scotland; could be, not sure yet, the son [Thomas] of Agnes McBurnie? ---------------------------------------- Sources: (1) The Times, Saturday, March 5th, 1864; page 1; Issue 24,812; column A. DEATHS.-- On the 29th February, at BATH, Louisa Grierson, relict of the late John Lilt [sp?], Esq., and granddaughter of the late (Royalist) Colonel Grierson, who was assassinated at Augusta, in Georgia, in 1781. ---------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.tqci.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by mail.tqci.net]

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You may have run across this thread, which includes a reply from another Grierson descendant - http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SCT-KIRKCUDBRIGHTSHIRE/2000-12/09779602 85 I found it by searching on Google.com for: Larbreck Dumfries Kathy Orlando, FL Hurricane central -----Original Message----- From: David Grierson [mailto:griersonworldproject@mail.tqci.net] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:23 PM To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [D-G LIST] Larbreck, parish of Irongrey, near Dumfries, Scotland Hello: I have a basic question to which I do not presently know how to find the answer to, concerning the geography of a certain place listed in an a Will, dated September, 1778, by one James Grierson, (Colonel) of the Loyal Militia, Province of Augusta, Georgia, North America. He mentions his father, Thomas Grierson, Esq., lives on the estate of Larbreck, in the parish of Irongrey, near Dumfries, North America. Can anyone who knows, please give any details of this location, more specifically this place known as LARBRECK? My graditude, David Grierson ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.tqci.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by tqci.net] ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== FIND YOUR ANCESTORS http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/

Hello: I have a basic question to which I do not presently know how to find the answer to, concerning the geography of a certain place listed in an a Will, dated September, 1778, by one James Grierson, (Colonel) of the Loyal Militia, Province of Augusta, Georgia, North America. He mentions his father, Thomas Grierson, Esq., lives on the estate of Larbreck, in the parish of Irongrey, near Dumfries, North America. Can anyone who knows, please give any details of this location, more specifically this place known as LARBRECK? My graditude, David Grierson ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.tqci.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by tqci.net]

Hi Mary, Try the site below. Your Henderson's are there and Margaret (she is Howatson) on this site. I have researched my Hewetson family back to the 1600's in Dumfries and there are many, many variants of the name as you would have found. I haven't looked for others of your family but you may find something of interest there. You can contact the website owner through his pages. http://www.chouston.f2s.com/Alltrees/alltrees.html Cheers, MAGGIE Mary Mattila wrote: > Hi....I have just rejoined the Dumfries list after retiring from the > workforce in August...I hope there will now be more time for Genealogy! > My interests are the Hendersons and Richardsons in Dumfrieshire. > > HENDERSON > Alexander Henderson was born in 1751 in Maxwellton, Glencairn. He > married Margaret Hoatson who was born in Maxwellton in 1756. > Their son Samuel Henderson, born in 1786 in Maxwellton, Glencairn, > married Agnes Stitt. Their son David Henderson born in Glencairn in > 1828, married Janet Newlands Porteous in Locharbriggs in 1864. They > farmed at Damhead Farm. > David & Janet's son James Porteous Henderson was born in Tinwald in 1865. > > > RICHARDSON > Robert Richardson & Mary Richardson married in Torthorwald in 1764. > Their som William Richardson married Liallias Thomson Potter in > Torthorwald in 1797. Their son James Richardson married Jane Anderson > in Caerlaverock in 1853. James died at Cotland, and Jane at Hartbush > in Tinwald. James & Jane's daughter Mary was born in 1857, and > married James Porteous Henderson in 1895 at Cotland Hill, Tinwald. > > I would be pleased to share the information I have about these two > families....and would welcome any connections. > Mary Mattila > Saskatchewan Canada > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > FIND YOUR ANCESTORS > http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ > >

At 04:02 PM 9/25/04, chum richardson wrote: >Hello Mary > > Would you have a connection to William Richardson a miller at Parton > Mill,Parton.William married Margaret Tod Dalziel.The family came to > Nichol Township,Wellington County,Upper Canada in 1852. Dear Chum, Not sure which Mary you've written to, but since I may fit the bill, I'll respond. Though I'm married to a William Richardson, I have never been able to trace my husband's family earlier than the mid-18th century in Virginia, USA. They lived in the same area for generations. Mary Richardson

Could it possibly be MARGLEY? - which is near the village of Corsock. Bill Stark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Didsbury" <pdconsarch@yahoo.co.uk> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: [D-G LIST] Place name query > Hi > > I wonder if anyone can help me out with a problem of > Scottish geography? In the 1881 Census, consulted on > 'scotlandspeople', my great-grandfather William > McLellan's birthplace is given as 'Gallowayshire > Marmley'. I'm having trouble locating this > place-name, partly because I'm unsure as to the > precise historical connotations of 'Gallowayshire', > and partly because I suspect that the printed version > 'Marmley' might be due to an error in transcription of > the Census enumerator's original handwriting. I'd be > most grateful for any suggestions as to the likely > identity of 'Marmley'. (If it's of any relevance, > much of his later life seems to be connected with > North Ayrshire). > > Thanks. Le meas. > > Peter > > ===== > There is a striking resemblance between the casual advice of the learned and the crackling of thorns under a pot (Evelyn Underhill) > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > FIND YOUR ANCESTORS > http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ > >

Hello Mary Would you have a connection to William Richardson a miller at Parton Mill,Parton.William married Margaret Tod Dalziel.The family came to Nichol Township,Wellington County,Upper Canada in 1852. Chum --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Some time last week I offered to lookup some information for a List member about Moniaive and Glencairn Parish. Since making the offer I have upgraded my Computer OS to XP and my Email system from AOL 8 to 9. And yes, I did back-up ALL my emails for a couple of months back. BUT I slipped up and ONLY backed-up those that I received and not those I sent. So whoever you are please ask me again. If I receive a ton of requests I will be able to pick out the phonies, I'm not that senile, yet. Sandy

Hi I wonder if anyone can help me out with a problem of Scottish geography? In the 1881 Census, consulted on 'scotlandspeople', my great-grandfather William McLellan's birthplace is given as 'Gallowayshire Marmley'. I'm having trouble locating this place-name, partly because I'm unsure as to the precise historical connotations of 'Gallowayshire', and partly because I suspect that the printed version 'Marmley' might be due to an error in transcription of the Census enumerator's original handwriting. I'd be most grateful for any suggestions as to the likely identity of 'Marmley'. (If it's of any relevance, much of his later life seems to be connected with North Ayrshire). Thanks. Le meas. Peter ===== There is a striking resemblance between the casual advice of the learned and the crackling of thorns under a pot (Evelyn Underhill) ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Peter, would you let me know William McLELLAN'S year of birth approx., I have the 1881 census on cd and I will have a look and see if there is an error somewhere. Kind Regards Jeanette

Hi....I have just rejoined the Dumfries list after retiring from the workforce in August...I hope there will now be more time for Genealogy! My interests are the Hendersons and Richardsons in Dumfrieshire. HENDERSON Alexander Henderson was born in 1751 in Maxwellton, Glencairn. He married Margaret Hoatson who was born in Maxwellton in 1756. Their son Samuel Henderson, born in 1786 in Maxwellton, Glencairn, married Agnes Stitt. Their son David Henderson born in Glencairn in 1828, married Janet Newlands Porteous in Locharbriggs in 1864. They farmed at Damhead Farm. David & Janet's son James Porteous Henderson was born in Tinwald in 1865. RICHARDSON Robert Richardson & Mary Richardson married in Torthorwald in 1764. Their som William Richardson married Liallias Thomson Potter in Torthorwald in 1797. Their son James Richardson married Jane Anderson in Caerlaverock in 1853. James died at Cotland, and Jane at Hartbush in Tinwald. James & Jane's daughter Mary was born in 1857, and married James Porteous Henderson in 1895 at Cotland Hill, Tinwald. I would be pleased to share the information I have about these two families....and would welcome any connections. Mary Mattila Saskatchewan Canada

I am a new subscriber and am looking for any help I can get on my wife's family. Her 4th Great Grandfather was George Forsyth from Dumfriesshire, birth date unknown but estimated to be around 1775. He married Jemima Scott, also date unknown. They had a son Allan, born about 1804, who married a Jean (Jane) Temple, born about 1806. Allan died on 31 Jan. 1890 at Lowthortown, Dornock Parish, Dumfriesshire. They had eight children: Elizabeth, Barbara, Thomas, George, Mary, Peter, Allan and James. Christening dates are from 1830 to 1845, all listed as Graitney, Dumfries, Scotland. Elizabeth married Thomas Glendinning, born in Dumfriesshire, Scotland about 1825. They married at Haydon Bridge, Northumberland. They had six children, Jane born in Haydon Bridge, John born in Scotland and Allan, Mary, Thomas and Elizabeth, all born at Heworth, Durham, England. Allan married Elizabeth Compton and moved to the US in 1882. This is my wife's connection. Other known facts. Peter Forsyth lived in Heworth in 1861 with his sister and brother-in-law Elizabeth Forsyth and Thomas Glendinning. Some possible facts. George Forsyth may have moved to Heworth, Durham as he appears in the 1881 census on the same street as Thomas and Elizabeth Glendinning. The age is compatible. Barbara Forsyth may have married a Carruthers as a Barbara Carruthers, married, lived with Allan and Jean in Lowthortown according to the 1881 census. Birth date is compatible. James Forsyth may have stayed in Dumfriesshire as a James with a compatible birth date is listed at various places. The above information was gotten from census', Scotlandspeople.com and from the Dumfries Library and Genealogy Society that we visited this last August. After all of that, here is where I need help. I am looking for more information on George and Jemima Forsyth and also Thomas Glendinning. Hope someone can help Gratefully, Clancy Hassler

I have a case that illustrates the argument. I can take my line back through documentary evidence [parish registers] to a marriage in 1684 between a John Spedding and a Sarah Carlisle. So far so good. I feel comfortable with that, subject to the no-one-knows-for-sure-who-the-father-is argument. There is no registered baptismal entry for Sarah Carlisle. There is though a statement in a 19th century family history - one more convincing than most - that Sarah is the 'joint heiress with her sister Mary of Lancelot Carlisle of Guards'. So that gives us a 'family hearsay' gap, but one whose veracity is strengthened by the fact that Sarah had a son called Lancelot, not a common name. The older Lancelot Carlisle could of course have been [say] an uncle, but on the balance of probabilities he's likely to have been her father. Let's call that, for the sake of argument, an 80% probability. Further back, there are no baptism records. But in Dumfries we have records of a 1635 sasine that names Lancelot as the son of Herbert Carlyle of Brydekirk. Further land transaction documents take us back, generation by generation, to the late 15th century Adam Carlyle of Brydekirk, brother of the first Lord Carlyle, son of Sir William Carlyle. Here we're in pre-register territory, where you can only hope to trace people back if they owned land and/or had a title. By following the land, you can get a best-likelihood view, and thus I can guess with [say] 60% probability that Sir William is a direct descendant of the Sir William Carlyle who married Margaret, one of the 5 sisters of Robert the Bruce, in around 1286. Before that there are ocasional land transaction documents that might just connect Margaret Bruce's husband to a Hildred Carlyle who had land in Cumberland in the early 1100s. Although it's the 'most likely' scenario [but only most likely in that there are no viable alternatives] I'd put it's probability at no more than 20%. Where does that leave us? By multiplying probabilities, even if you say that in each generation there's only a 1% chance that a child is not the genetic son of its mother's husband, I'd say that the probability that I have a 12th century ancestor called Hildred Carlyle is little more than 1%. I'd suggest that this is typical of many trees 'traced' back to to the early Norman era. The exceptions are those with connections to royalty, where the land/title connections can give you a greater degree of confidence, always accepting the who's-the-real-father uncertainty. Peter Cox ----- Original Message ----- From: "May" <schultem@telusplanet.net> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:04 PM Subject: Tracing family tree > Hi - > > After a discussion with a group of friends today one of them announced her > uncle had traced their family tree back to the 1100's. For some reason, I > don't think this is possible. Can anyone explain to me how one can go that > far back and actually 'claim' that everything is factual? I believe there > was a discussion about this once before but I can't recall the outcome. Any > suggestions? > > May > > ______________________________

Help need with these two Kirkbean Troqueer James Kerr married Catherine Wilson some time in the 1790's with 4 children found so far... If you have any information that is about this family to share than i would gratefully receive it . Thanks Cliff Kerr Australia

Hi Cliff, this is not one of my lines, but had a look for their children in the Brit. Vit. Rcds. 2nd. edit; Sarah Whitehead KER b.2nd. Nov. 1792 ch. 7th. Nov. Rec; Kirkbean FHL Film 1068032 William KERR ch. 11th Jan 1796 Rec. Troqueer " " 1068035 Thomas " " 18th. Feb1799 " " " Violet KER " 31st.Jan 1801 " New Abbey " " 1068033 John " b. 9th. Apr. 1803 ch.12th Apr. Kirkbean 1068032 Elizabeth Martin " b. 9th. May 1805 ch. 12th May " Richard Mundell " b. 17th May 1807 ch. 18th.May " Hope this helps. Kind Regards Jeanette ( from Pitlochry,Perthshire, Scotland) D&G Member 3052