Hi, Could someone with access to the above for the Kirkcudbright area, please have a look for James Thorburn and his wife Janet and any children living with them at the time. Many thanks Shona

1851 Census Kilbrandon & Kilchattan Parish, Argyll. Rae William age 45 b. Dumfrieshire. McPherson Jane age 27 b. Dumfries, Middlebie. Anderson William age 34 b. Dumfries, Kirkneadale. Dargavel William age 53 b. Dumfries, Penpoint. Dargavel Helen age 17 b. Dumfries, Kirkmichael. 1861 Census Kilbrandon & Kilchattan Parish, Argyll. Engineers House. Anderson Wiilliam Head M. 44 Engineer Slate Works b. Dumfresshire, Dalswintow? Island of Lunga. Beattie Elizabeth Wife 68 b. Dumfrieshire,?Florandegat?. Island of Lunga. Harkner John Serv U. 13 Gen Serv b. Dumfrieshire, Moffat. 1871 Census Kilbrandon & Kilchattan Parish, Argyll. Ellenabeich 34 Campbell Elizabeth Head W. 45 Grocer b. Dumfriesshire. Ardlarach. Wilson Helen Head W. 43 Dom Serv b. Dumfries, Sanqutor. Ardlarach. Little James Serv. U. 25 Shepherd b. Dumfries, Moffat. Ardlarach. Ballantine James Serv. U. 20 Ploughman b. Dumfries, Kirkconnel. Black Mill Bay. McLachlan Jane Wife 25 b. Dumfries, Moffat. Ardluing. Ballantine David Head M. 46 Shepherd. b. Dumfries, Sanquhon. Belnahua #5 Campbell Margaret Wife 30 b. Dumfries, Kirkconnel. Belnahua #5 Campbell John Son 10 Scholar b. Dumfries, Pentout? Hope it helps. Sheena.

Hi I have Murrays from Kirkmaiden and Kirkcolm before they moved to Ardrossan around 1900. 1. Barnet (Bernard) Murray born Kirkcolm ca 1813, his mother Elizabeth McGeoch, I don't have his father though. 2. His children, Helen, Margaret Jane, Elizabeth, William and James all born Kirkmaiden. 3. William had 7 children including my grandmother Barbara Ellen who was born at Kirkcolm 12 July 1878. Would love to share info I have. Bill Braniff

Eventually- I was being pedantic ;-). I suppose he would have been Charles 1 of Scotland, he wasn't Charles 11 of England at the time. But that's the guy,yes. Judy ---------- >From: "Jeffery K. Davidson" <jdavidson@rathandcompany.com> >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Scotch Prisoners Sent to Massachusettts, 1652 >Date: 13, Wed Oct, 2004, 5:40 pm > > Charles II wasn't it? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J A Olsen" <Copywriter@tesco.net> > To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 11:18 AM > Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Scotch Prisoners Sent to Massachusettts, 1652 > > > > The strange thing was that the Covenanters invited the son of Charles 1 to > be king and I think actually crowned him at Scone. > > The Dunbarre referred to will be the Battle of Dunbar, 1651. There were also > a lot of prisoners taken at the Battle of Worcester, same year I think. > > Not sure everyone being shipped out to the colonies after this stramash > would have been a Covenanter. > > Judy > > > ---------- >>From: "Ian A McClumpha" <imchad@freeola.com> >>To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: RE: [D-G LIST] Scotch Prisoners Sent to Massachusettts, 1652 >>Date: 13, Wed Oct, 2004, 7:35 am >> > >> Hi Alison >> >> These were Covenanters, people who were banished because they believed in >> the Scottish Presbyterian style of worship and refused to accept the > English >> Episcopalian church. Primarily, the Scots refused to accept the English >> king as head of the church, believing, as they still do, that Jesus is the >> head. >> >> The Covenanters eventually won and Presbyterianism was restored in 1690, > but >> not after many people died or were transported for their cause. >> >> Regards >> Ian. >> Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please >> visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roland and Alison deCaen [mailto:decaenr@shaw.ca] >> Sent: 13 October 2004 00:20 >> To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Scotch Prisoners Sent to Massachusettts, 1652 >> >> >> Fascinating ---------What happened at this time to warrent their being > sent >> or is it just a collection of rag, tag and bobtail ? >> Alison in Calgary >> - >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 08/10/04 >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> 160 hours freephone internet - £12.99 - the cheapest around! >> FREE unlimited web space, e-mail & domain hosting www.freeola.com >> >> >> ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== >> ********************************************************************* >> If you have any problems with this list or any of its members please >> contact the listowner....Tom Welch....tomas@directcon.net >> ******************************************************************** >> > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > If your line involves the surname BRUCE why not join > CLAN-BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > FIND YOUR ANCESTORS > http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ >

It is quite a some years since I last purchased a Scottish certificate so I have tried to do so online. However, after a few attempts to find an online ordering facility for Scottish Certificates I appear to be missing a link [both URL type and cerebral :-)]. Can anyone point me to the starting point for such a facility and advise if their is a guidance note for this? Alan Middlemass Bearpark, Durham, UK I have not made any attachments to this mail

The strange thing was that the Covenanters invited the son of Charles 1 to be king and I think actually crowned him at Scone. The Dunbarre referred to will be the Battle of Dunbar, 1651. There were also a lot of prisoners taken at the Battle of Worcester, same year I think. Not sure everyone being shipped out to the colonies after this stramash would have been a Covenanter. Judy ---------- >From: "Ian A McClumpha" <imchad@freeola.com> >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [D-G LIST] Scotch Prisoners Sent to Massachusettts, 1652 >Date: 13, Wed Oct, 2004, 7:35 am > > Hi Alison > > These were Covenanters, people who were banished because they believed in > the Scottish Presbyterian style of worship and refused to accept the English > Episcopalian church. Primarily, the Scots refused to accept the English > king as head of the church, believing, as they still do, that Jesus is the > head. > > The Covenanters eventually won and Presbyterianism was restored in 1690, but > not after many people died or were transported for their cause. > > Regards > Ian. > Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please > visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland and Alison deCaen [mailto:decaenr@shaw.ca] > Sent: 13 October 2004 00:20 > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Scotch Prisoners Sent to Massachusettts, 1652 > > > Fascinating ---------What happened at this time to warrent their being sent > or is it just a collection of rag, tag and bobtail ? > Alison in Calgary > - > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 08/10/04 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > 160 hours freephone internet - £12.99 - the cheapest around! > FREE unlimited web space, e-mail & domain hosting www.freeola.com > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************* > If you have any problems with this list or any of its members please > contact the listowner....Tom Welch....tomas@directcon.net > ******************************************************************** >

Hi Steve & Others My Mary MURRAY 1829-1906 b. Kirkmichael others from............................ Tynron & Lakehead Closeburn. Sarah Mc DONALD 1794-1864 b. Dalwinston England rgds Ian researching: CARRUTHERS- Closeburn.Lochmaben.Mouswald.Kirkmichael.Kirkmahoe & Urr Kirkcudbright. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > Noticed you have Murray & McDonald family interests, they wouldn't be from > the Hoddom/ Ecclefechan area would they ?

Hi Ian, Noticed you have Murray & McDonald family interests, they wouldn't be from the Hoddom/ Ecclefechan area would they ? Regards Steve Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "carruthers - home" <home@zim.co.zw> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] Research Interests > > Hi all > > I would just like to list my Dumfries and Galloway family interests. > > CARRUTHERS,McDONALD,MURRAY,McVITE,McCUBBIN, > NEILSON,SWAN,MURRAY,SHAW > > Would Like to hear from anyone with an interest in any of these families. > Rgds > Ian Carruthers...... home@zim.co.zw > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > FIND YOUR ANCESTORS > http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ >

In a message dated 13/10/2004 19:37:32 GMT Standard Time, alananne@middlemass.org.uk writes: It is quite a some years since I last purchased a Scottish certificate so I have tried to do so online. However, after a few attempts to find an online ordering facility for Scottish Certificates I appear to be missing a link [both URL type and cerebral :-)]. Can anyone point me to the starting point for such a facility and advise if their is a guidance note for this? Alan Middlemass Bearpark, Durham, UK I have not made any attachments to this mail ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If your line involves the surname BRUCE why not join CLAN-BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan, Try the following url:- _http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk_ (http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk) You can order certificates from this site OR by phoning 0131-334-0380 or 0131-314-4411 Mon-Fri 0900 - 1630 Costs (may have gone up since I last used the service):- 5 days £13; next day £26 Although the scottish certificates are more expensive than the English ones, they contain a lot more information. Happy hunting Michael from Lancashire

Hi Alison, I think your question is answered on the website, after the list of names: "The following is from Governor Hutchinson's Collection of Original Papers and may furnish some light in respect to the above mentioned prisoners sent to this country and sold for slaves, no doubt, by order of the English Government, as a sort of banishment for their rebellion. It is probable that some of them were sent to Barbadoes, as all their names do not seem to appear in any other way in this country, except on this list. Extract from a Letter written by Rev. John COTTON to Lord General CROMWELL, dated at "Boston in N. E. 28 of 5th 1651," respecting som prisoners of the same class of persons included in the above list sent over before these arrived. The all probably were taken at the battle of Dunbar, 3 Sep 1650, when Cromwell was victorious and four thousand were slain and ten thousand made prisoners. "The Scots, whom God delivered into your hands at Dunbarre, and whereof sundry were sent hither, we have been desirous (as we could) to make their yoke easy. Such as were sick of the scurvy or other diseases have not wanted physick and chyrugery. They have not been sold for slaves to perpetual servitude, but for 6 or 7 or 8 yeares, as we do our owne; and he that bought the most of them (I heare) buildeth houses for them, for every four a house, layeth some acres of ground thereto, which he giveth them as their owne, requiring three dayes in the weeke to worke for him (by turnes) and 4 dayes for them themselves, and promiseth, as soone as they can repay him the money he layed out for them, he will set them at liberty." " ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland and Alison deCaen <decaenr@shaw.ca> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Scotch Prisoners Sent to Massachusettts, 1652 > Fascinating ---------What happened at this time to warrent their being sent > or is it just a collection of rag, tag and bobtail ? > Alison in Calgary

In a message dated 11/10/2004 ljhewett@ihug.co.nz writes: Any knowledge of list of [Ewes] burials? Seeking Thomas and Nancy/Agnes Duff Sorry, the Ewes OPRs covering burials and mortcloth hires does not list Thomas or Nancy/Agnes DUFF. (Mortcloths were coffin covers hired from the Kirk for the burial service, probably to hide the fact that some coffins were quite crude. Not everyone could afford the workmanship of a skilled craftsman.) Ewes OPR Deaths and burials records cover the period 1717 to 1818. If Thomas and Nancy died later than that, there are no records surviving. I must say I was surprised to find that a hundred year period could be transcribed into a small 8 page A5 booklet. There doesn't appear to be gaps in the record, so it is possible that some deaths were were recorded elswhere. This booklet is currently being prepared for publishing by DGFHS. AND I'm still looking for couple photos AND the offer of a complementary copy for whoever can supply them. Sandy

Charles II wasn't it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "J A Olsen" <Copywriter@tesco.net> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Scotch Prisoners Sent to Massachusettts, 1652 The strange thing was that the Covenanters invited the son of Charles 1 to be king and I think actually crowned him at Scone. The Dunbarre referred to will be the Battle of Dunbar, 1651. There were also a lot of prisoners taken at the Battle of Worcester, same year I think. Not sure everyone being shipped out to the colonies after this stramash would have been a Covenanter. Judy ---------- >From: "Ian A McClumpha" <imchad@freeola.com> >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [D-G LIST] Scotch Prisoners Sent to Massachusettts, 1652 >Date: 13, Wed Oct, 2004, 7:35 am > > Hi Alison > > These were Covenanters, people who were banished because they believed in > the Scottish Presbyterian style of worship and refused to accept the English > Episcopalian church. Primarily, the Scots refused to accept the English > king as head of the church, believing, as they still do, that Jesus is the > head. > > The Covenanters eventually won and Presbyterianism was restored in 1690, but > not after many people died or were transported for their cause. > > Regards > Ian. > Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please > visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland and Alison deCaen [mailto:decaenr@shaw.ca] > Sent: 13 October 2004 00:20 > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Scotch Prisoners Sent to Massachusettts, 1652 > > > Fascinating ---------What happened at this time to warrent their being sent > or is it just a collection of rag, tag and bobtail ? > Alison in Calgary > - > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 08/10/04 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > 160 hours freephone internet - £12.99 - the cheapest around! > FREE unlimited web space, e-mail & domain hosting www.freeola.com > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************* > If you have any problems with this list or any of its members please > contact the listowner....Tom Welch....tomas@directcon.net > ******************************************************************** > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If your line involves the surname BRUCE why not join CLAN-BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Alison, It is oft forgotten that one of the results of the American Revolution was the population of Australia. Until Britain lost its North American colonies, they were the principal destination of convicts transported as their sentence. Their crimes ranged from petty theft to murder, although few of the last were so lucky. In David Dobson's book, "Directory of Scots Banished to The American Plantations 1650-1775" {Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore, 1984) you will find an extensive list of these hapless souls. I noticed one whose crime was being a Covenanter (this was during the "Killing Times"). I do not know what treatment they received in the colonies, but for some the sentence might have afforded them opportunity denied them at home. Best wishes, Gil Nicol

Hi Alison These were Covenanters, people who were banished because they believed in the Scottish Presbyterian style of worship and refused to accept the English Episcopalian church. Primarily, the Scots refused to accept the English king as head of the church, believing, as they still do, that Jesus is the head. The Covenanters eventually won and Presbyterianism was restored in 1690, but not after many people died or were transported for their cause. Regards Ian. Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: Roland and Alison deCaen [mailto:decaenr@shaw.ca] Sent: 13 October 2004 00:20 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Scotch Prisoners Sent to Massachusettts, 1652 Fascinating ---------What happened at this time to warrent their being sent or is it just a collection of rag, tag and bobtail ? Alison in Calgary - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 08/10/04 ________________________________________________________________________ 160 hours freephone internet - £12.99 - the cheapest around! FREE unlimited web space, e-mail & domain hosting www.freeola.com

Many thanks to all those who replied re Scotch Prisoners sent to Mass. Life was certainly tough in those days. We have a lot to be thankful for Alison

Changing email address to r.halliwell@planet.nl <mailto:rhalliwell@planet.nl> Regards Ruth

Hi I notice a lot of reference to Robinson I am looking for info on Mary Robinson b 1786 married John Sewell 19 April 1807 in Carlisle siblings William Sewell b 1811 Sarah Sewell b 1815 Mary Sewell b 1816 John Sewell b 1829 all the above were living Carlisle thanks audrey

This is th elink I know for the London, Edinburgh and Belfast Gazettes. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ All the best, Pam Date sent: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:28:23 -0400 From: "David Grierson" <griersonworldproject@mail.tqci.net> To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: The TIMES, [London] & The LONDON, Gazette (?) > Hello all: > > Firstly, I will have my list of English places or Placenames done soon, and will give to those who have requested it, and any more who ask at my user address. > > If some one can, does anyone have knowledge of the LONDON GAZETTE? I have just finished an exhaustive review of The Times, London - from 1785-1985, five to six weeks, of Study through the digital archives for Griersons and I'm happy with it. Should any one have a specific request which you think may be in there, please ask now, and I will review my archives for it whilst it's still fresh in my mind. It must be Grierson related. > > Is this a paper that is indexed, or perhaps available online, having perhaps been digitized of THE LONDON GAZETTE? > > David Grierson > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.tqci.net > > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by mail.tqci.net] > > ______________________________

Hiya, I have Robinsons, Johnston(e) and Stewarts in my tree. My Robinsons hailed from Cumberland but settled in Lochmaben... 1-Thomas Robinson b. Abt 1797 +Mary Anderson b. Abt 1795, d. 28 Nov 1843, Longtown, Cum'd 2-Thomas Robinson b. Abt 1822 C on Eden Cum'd, d. 27 Jun 1867, Lochmaben +Margaret Lowther b. 13 Jul 1823, Wigton, Cum'd, d. 18 Aug 1894, Moffat 3-Mary Robinson b. Abt 1848, Cum'd 3-John Ann Robinson b. Abt 1849, Wigton d. 26 Jun 1888, Colvend, KKT +Robert Green b. Abt 1852, Lochmaben, d. 25 Mar 1933, Dalbeattie 3-Elizabeth Robinson b. Abt 1851, Cum'd +Robert Henderson , m. 25 May 1870, Dumfries 3-Jane Robinson b. Abt 1853, Gatehouse, KKT +Norval John Allan b. Abt 1845, Troqueer, KKT 3-Rachel Robinson b. Abt 1855, Dumfries, +John Gordon b. Abt 1847, m. 23 Jan 1874, Moffat 2-James Robinson b. 30 Nov 1823, Crosby upon Eden, Cum'd +Christiana Pagan b. Abt 1831, Scotland, m. 2 Jul 1847, Dumfries 3-John Robinson b. Abt 1851, Scotland 3-James Robinson b. 8 Jan 1857, Dumfries, Dumfrieshire 3-Mary Ann Robinson b. Abt 1859, Newcastle upon Tyne 3-Ellen Robinson b. Abt 1864, Newcastle upon Tyne 2-Elizabeth Robinson 2-John Robinson 2-Martha Robinson 2-Ann Robinson 2-Ellen Robinson I have a few different Johnston(e)s in my tree... George Johnstone married my 2xggrandmother he isn't the father of my ggrandfather as far as we know. George was born abt 1877 to Robert Johnstone and Jane Johnston he died in 1952 Gretna his wife was Jane Scott Fallon. Another Johnstone line is from Lochmaben and married into a Grierson family. And the Stewart line... Is from Johnston but with a possible Mouswald connection. The main family is... William Stewart and Jean McCaig there known children are... Mary Stewart bn Abt 1814 m Adam Thomson - my line Walter Stewart bn ABt 1820 m Agnes Thomson (sister of above) Joseph Stewart Abt 1823 Jean Haining Stewart Abt 1826. Phew! Anyway - if you see any connections I'm more than happy to share what I have. All the best, Pam :-) Date sent: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:50:47 +0100 From: "Richard Butters" <richard.butters@ntlworld.com> To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Research Interests > Hi to all > > I would just like to list my Dumfries and Galloway family interests. > > BUTTER/S. - CARLYLE. - HANNAH. - HUGHAN. - JOHNSTON. - JOHNSTONE. - KELLY. - KIM. - KIRK. - MAKISON. - MCADAM. - MCCALL. - MCGEORGE. - MUNDEL. - ROBINSON. - SHANNAN. - SHAW. - STEWART. > > Would love to hear from anyone with an interest in any of these families. > > Regards To All > > Richard Butters > > ______________________________

Fascinating ---------What happened at this time to warrent their being sent or is it just a collection of rag, tag and bobtail ? Alison in Calgary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Brown Allen" <thyword21@earthlink.net> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: [D-G LIST] Scotch Prisoners Sent to Massachusettts, 1652 > Hello all: This is a list of prisoners sent from Scotland to Massachusetts in 1652. > Scroll down to Massachusetts, then to Suffolk Co.-- Barbara > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/ > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > FIND YOUR ANCESTORS > http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ > >