Hi all, Can someone interpret the following sasinesfor me? 1821 Jan 1 Robert McGeorge now of Carstramon seized Dec 15 land in Carstramon 7 merk land of Sundaywell, par Dunscore Agnes McGeorge spouse to John McKye in Kilncroft Esther McGeorge spouse of Stewart McAdam and after her death sums to John Newall, grandson to Joseph McGeorge of Carstramon, on disp by the said Joseph McGeorge his father Apr 26 1826. JOSEPH McGEORGE of Castramom, as heir to Robert McGeorge of Castramom his father, SEIZED Apr 1826 in the 1 merk land of Castramon, \being part of the 7 merk land of Sundaywell, par . Dunscore: on Pr. Cl. Con. by the Commissioner for Walter Francis, Duke of Buccleuch and Queensberry, Apr 20 1828/ Apr 26 1826 Joseph McGeorge, son and heir to Robert McGeorge of Castramon, gets Ren. Apr 24 1826, by Agnes McGeorge residing in Glenlauch, relict of John McKie in Kilncroft, Esther McGeorge, spouse of McAdam, residing in Shillingland and John Newall residing there, - of the 1 merk land of Castramon, being part of the 7 merk land of Sundaywell, par Dunscore: - and of 100pds, to the said Agnes McGeorge, - 20pds and a liferent annuity of 4pd to the said Esther McGeorge, - and 20pds to the said John Newall, in Disp. and Settl. by Jospeh McGeorge of Castramon, to the said Robert McGeorge, his son Nov 2 1814 What I do know of this family is - Joseph McGeorge, born about 1740, died about 1820, married a Janet smith. There is only one son named in the OPRs -Robert McGeorge 1773-1825 who married Jean Newall Tait. Robert's descendents ended up in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Would I be correct in thinking that Esther and Agnes could be sisters to Robert?? thanks Kay

Robert Lorimer, b. abt 1830/31 in Kirkconnel Parish to William Lorimer and Jean Wightman. Robert married Margaret Douglas about 1849. Robert was a Draper in Totnes, County of Devon, England until he retired. He died residing at Springbank, Penpont, County of Dumfries, 6 Nov, 1895. Robert and Margaret had three children, Robert Cowan Lorimer, b.5 June 1850 at Step Ends, Penpont, County of Dumfries, William b. abt 1855 at Totnes, County of Devon, England, Jane or Jeannie b. abt 1859 also at Totnes. Robert C. Lorimer continued on with his fathers business in Totnes, he married Susan Garret and they had four children there. Hugh, Kenneth, Muriel, and Olive. Hugh d. 1918 in France, Kenneth also died in 1918. I have no further information about William Jane married Samuel Varder after 1881 and they had three children, Samuel Lorimer Varder, Margaret Varder and Robert Varder. I am looking for information about the spouses and descendants of my Lorimer line, specifically Margaret Douglas, Susan Garret and Samuel Varder. If anyone has these people in their family lines please contact me. Thank you

I have been following the Bryson info with interest. My great grandmother was illegitimate and her reputed father was Joseph BRYSON. She used the nane Elizabeth BRYSON and although I have no birth certificate, I have her marriage, death and census records which indicate she was born around 1835 in Gretna. She married George ELLIOT in 1860 in Annan and I have a photo of them taken on that occasion. Her mother's name was Mary STRAITON. Elizabeth named her third son Joseph BRYSON ELLIOT, born 1865 in Annan -- which gives some indication of the link to BRYSON. Jan Taylor Ontario, Canada

Hi, New to this list, hope to find some one connected to William Colbourn , b. 1856 in Stranraer , Scotland. William was the son of James Colbourn and wife Elizabeth. Does any one have access to the 1861 census? I know he emigrated at sometime to Canada where he died in 1889, Orono, Clarke Township, Durham County, Ontario.. Thanks and any information appeciated. Joan Burns in B.C. Canada

Hi all You may remember that I joined the list last week. I was the naive one who wrote my entire mail in capitals!! Sorry again. I was looking for any information re HUGH BYRON and his wife AGNES GIBSON. I had records of their marriage and of their son's (my great great grandfather) birth but couldn't trace them on the 1851 census. I was dropped a line by a member, suggesting that I look again at the information that I had for more clues and, low and behold, I found that they were both from Orchardton. I have now traced them on the 1851 census,definitely them as all stats match,using the surname BRYSON. They were farm labourers at Orchardton and I am again asking for your assistance....have tried searching SCOTLANDSPEOPLE without any success. I would be most grateful for any assistance,even if just to find out about the farm. Many thanks Andy ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/

In a message dated 01/11/2004 20:55:47 GMT Standard Time, andy.sadler1@ntlworld.com writes: was looking for any information re HUGH BYRON and his wife AGNES GIBSON. I had records of their marriage and of their son's (my great great grandfather) birth but couldn't trace them on the 1851 census. I was dropped a line by a member, suggesting that I look again at the information that I had for more clues and, low and behold, I found that they were both from Orchardton. I have now traced them on the 1851 census,definitely them as all stats match,using the surname BRYSON Orchardton is in Rerrick Parish a flat coastal strip below a hill called Screel and between the Urr Estuary and Auchincairn and Balcary Bay. You should be able to find it on any good OS map. Have a look at _http://www.sypittdfs.freeola.com/Walks/Dumfries/hills/scrl/scrl-3.htm_ (http://www.sypittdfs.freeola.com/Walks/Dumfries/hills/scrl/scrl-3.htm) and you will find yourself looking down on Orcharton from the summit of Screel. I can offer you just three Bryson Memorials from the DGFHS MIs database (couldn't find a single BRYON) You could hardly get them further apart than Lanholm, Gretna and Stranraer. There has to be some more in between but we don't have them in the database as yet. None of them match your information but you may have other stuff that will link them. 1. Location: Langholm (Old) Cemetery, Dumfriesshire Ref: DGFHS, "Langholm (Old) Memorial Inscriptions" (2003) In Loving Memory of Richard BEATTIE, Pattern Weaver, who died December 22nd 1914 aged 73 years Also of his wife Jane BRYSON, who died May 6th 1873 aged 28 years Also of his second wife Margaret LESLIE, who died May 18th 1880 aged 33 years Also of Jemima Leslie, daughter of Richard and Margaret Leslie BEATTIE, who died in infancy 2. Location: Stranraer (Sheuchan Cemetery: Section 1), Wigtownshire Ref: DGFHS, "Stranraer MI Transcriptions" (2000) [ Stone broken in 3 parts ] Erected by George BRYSON, London Road, Stranraer In Memory of Grace MILLER, his wife, who died 15th March 1885 aged 75 years The above George BRYSON, died 20th Feby 1888 aged 90 years Surname Forenames Death Birth Remarks Bryson George 1888 1798 Miller Grace 1885 1810 3. Location: Gretna Old Parish Graveyard, Dumfriesshire Ref: D. Watson, DGFHS, "Gretna Old Parish Graveyard MI Transcriptions" (2003); [Based on 1950's survey by Shannon and Gilchrist] Joseph BRYSON, who died at Lowtherton 22nd June 1855 age 71 years Matthew BRYSON, his son, who died 4th June 1853 age 44 years Agnes BRYSON, his daughter, who died at [-----------] 22nd September 1853 aged 28 years And Janet Aitken, his daughter, who died in infancy And Agnes ARMSTRONG, his spouse, who died at Lowtherton 1st September 1862 age 77 years Jean, daughter to Joseph BRYSON, who died 8th June 1812 age 1 And Jannet, who died 9th September 1823 age 2 And William BRYSON, who died at Lowtherfield 14th October 1848 age 70 Hope you find something of interest there. Sandy

Hi Vivienne Would you be related to this line: (1)Robert AITKEN 1785-1851 son: (2)Rev. James AITKEN 1812-1870 x EDWARD son: (3)George Candy AITKEN 1842-1900 son: (4)George Edward AITKEN 1900-1977 x MacRAE son: (5)Iain Edward x M.CARRUTHERS rgds Ian Carruthers home@zim.co.zw <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< snip >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: vivienne wilson Subject: [D-G LIST] Aitken, Tait, Halliday and Grierson > Hello Group, > > Thanks for the welcome, Tom. I have belonged to the group before, but now that I am retired perhaps I will have more time to work on genealogy. > > The names that I am researching are Aitken, Tait, Halliday, and Grierson. I have the most information on my Griersons. The areas that I am looking are Kirkmahoe, Troqueer, Noblehill, The Grove, Ladypark Farm and Racks.

Hi Vivienne, I have Grierson's in Troqueer from abt 1817 to mid 1860's any connections there. Regards Steve Boyd Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "vivienne wilson" <vbrit@shaw.ca> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:37 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] Aitken, Tait, Halliday and Grierson > Hello Group, > > Thanks for the welcome, Tom. I have belonged to the group before, but now that I am retired perhaps I will have more time to work on genealogy. > > The names that I am researching are Aitken, Tait, Halliday, and Grierson. I have the most information on my Griersons. The areas that I am looking are Kirkmahoe, Troqueer, Noblehill, The Grove, Ladypark Farm and Racks. > > Thanks > > Cheers! > > Vivienne > Vancouver Island > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > If your line involves the surname BRUCE why not join > CLAN-BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >

> > >Hi Dennis, Good to hear from you again. You could be on the right track. As you know Robert Scott and Elizabeth McGeorge are from my family. I only have Samuel Scott with his family in the 1841 census, aged 12years. I will to check to see if I have anything else on the family Kay (Perth) >In 1858 the GIPSEY arrived in South Africa with a number of the Aided >Immigration passengers on board - one of these passengers was Samuel SCOTT >- presumed to be the Samuel who married Susanna Maria (later Susan Marion) >Mc Donald in Zeerust, South Africa in 1878. It is because of this union >that I am "alive and well and living in Mogale City in South Africa" ! > >I am still trying to confirm that this Samuel is the one who was >christened on 5 Feb 1929 in Urr in Scotland (from Robert Scott and >Elizabeth McGeorge), lived at High Ryes, Southwick, Scotland in 1841 and >worked as an Agricultural Labourer in Holywood, Scotland in 1851. Also >whether he was the man who married my GGgrandmother in Zeerust, South >Africa in 1878 > >I am also trying to find out as much as I can about this Ship GIPSEY and >the passenger on board - including finding a drawing or sketch of the Ship. > >Any help in this connection will be appreciated > >Kind regards > > > > > > >Dennis Pretorius >Commercial Genealogical Researcher/Kommersiële Genealogiese Navorser >Owner of SAGenealogy E-mail list/Lyseienaar SAGenealogie poslys >E-Mail/E-pos: krugersdorp@pixie.co.za >Web address/Webadres: http://mzone.mweb.co.za/residents/k75/genealogy.html >Telephone/Telefoon: +27-83-679-8541

Hello Group, Thanks for the welcome, Tom. I have belonged to the group before, but now that I am retired perhaps I will have more time to work on genealogy. The names that I am researching are Aitken, Tait, Halliday, and Grierson. I have the most information on my Griersons. The areas that I am looking are Kirkmahoe, Troqueer, Noblehill, The Grove, Ladypark Farm and Racks. Thanks Cheers! Vivienne Vancouver Island

Many thanks to all who provided me with the details of this site. I am back on the trail [and there are just as many dead ends as before! Audrey Chessman. -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

Alison I have checked a few places and come up with zilch so I suggest a quick email to enquiries@nls.uk to see if they (National Library) hold anything in the manuscript dept. You can email the dept direct, but I believe the enquiries address is the one they are promoting as the main contact for internet questions. Is it a family or a farm by the way? Judy ---------- >From: Roland and Alison deCaen <decaenr@shaw.ca> >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [D-G LIST] ANNANDALE ESTATE >Date: 07, Thu Oct, 2004, 3:36 pm > > I am looking for any information on the ANNANDALE ESTATE especially up to > the mid 1800s. It appears that BLINDBURN is mentioned in their records and > this may well be the BLINBURN that we have been looking for for eons > Alison in Calgary > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > DO NOT send files as Email attachments to the list. > Send them privately - person to person. > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% >

Hi: I saw your message regarding the Carlyle names. In my list of Monument Inscriptions for Middlebie Parish - Carruthers, Middlebie Church and Pennersaughs burial grounds I have 43 Carlyle inscriptions. If you are interested, let me know and I will send them as an attachment to a message. Stuart Livingstone Brown - Cornwallis Nova Scotia Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "jmercer" <jmercer@mountaincable.net> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: Carlyle > > Peter Cox, > I saw your e-mail regarding Lancelot Carlyle. My ggg grandfather was > WILLIAM CARLYLE b. abt 1783, probably in Middlebie. I have not found any > record of his birth. He was living in Middlebie in 1841 and 1851 per the > census records. His tombstone in Ecclefechan churchyard states that he died > 18 June 1857 so there should be a death cert. but none has been found at the > SRO. > I would be interested to know what history you have on the CARLYLES. > Regards, > Jim Mercer in Hamilton, Canada. > > ______________________________

Cassandra, How can Janet Geddes be born "McGill" if her father was "Geddes" and her mother "Galbreath"? Or do you mean she was born Geddes and her married name was McGill? If she was born Geddes do you know what part of Scotland she came from? Sue Sydney, Oz --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.

Greetings! In the course of comparing notes (outside the Dumfries Galloway List) on the Mortons of Canonbie, who apparently farmed in the parish of Kirkandrews-upon-Esk, it's been suggested to me that a lot of the Kirkandrews parishioners in the 1700s preferred at that time to use Canonbie for baptisms etc. Did I know why? I've not a clue, other than to comment that one is in England and the other in Scotland. Has anybody any suggestions? - or is it a myth? Ken (Liverpool)

Sue this might be of no use to you but thought I would post it anyway a lot of my husbands ancestors were miners and I have chased them all over found them in the least expected places anyway hear is an Edward Graham chr.14/11/1853 in Walker which is in Northumberland a large mining area father John Graham mother Dorothy hope this helps Audrey

Hello to you all What a great website! I am looking for information of my Great Grandfather, EDWARD GRAHAM (b circa 1856 South Hetton, Co Durham) according to the 1881 and 1901 Census. 1881 - Edward is listed with his wife, Ann Graham (maiden name unknown) and 2-year-old daughter Annah B Graham. 1901 - Edward is listed with wife Mary Ann Graham (nee BYTHEWAY) (my Great Grandparents) and the following children - George 10 - born America (BS) Sarah 8 - born Haswell, Co Durham James 5 - born Hetton, Co Durham Frances Esther (my Grandmother) - born Newbottle Co Durham The information on these two census sheets are the only details I have of Edward Graham and I would love to discover his parents/possible brothers/sisters etc to further my research. Edward Graham was a coalminer. I cannot find details of Edward's Birth, any of his marriages, or find him on the 1861, 1871 or 1891 Census in this area. I have tried to find the family on Passenger lists etc but to no avail. (Obviously he may have been in America for the 1891 Census and possibly married my Great Grandmother there.) There is talks within the family that Philadelphia or Pennsylvania may have been possibilities as Mary Ann BYTHEWAY's family seem to have emigrated there. If this fits with any of your GRAHAM ancestors or you can help me in any way, however small, I would be more than grateful. Thanks for taking the time in reading this - and I look forward to hopefully hearing from any of you. Regards Sue x --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.783 / Virus Database: 529 - Release Date: 25/10/04

> Peter Cox, I saw your e-mail regarding Lancelot Carlyle. My ggg grandfather was WILLIAM CARLYLE b. abt 1783, probably in Middlebie. I have not found any record of his birth. He was living in Middlebie in 1841 and 1851 per the census records. His tombstone in Ecclefechan churchyard states that he died 18 June 1857 so there should be a death cert. but none has been found at the SRO. I would be interested to know what history you have on the CARLYLES. Regards, Jim Mercer in Hamilton, Canada.

Halo All In 1858 the GIPSEY arrived in South Africa with a number of the Aided Immigration passengers on board - one of these passengers was Samuel SCOTT - presumed to be the Samuel who married Susanna Maria (later Susan Marion) Mc Donald in Zeerust, South Africa in 1878. It is because of this union that I am "alive and well and living in Mogale City in South Africa" ! I am still trying to confirm that this Samuel is the one who was christened on 5 Feb 1929 in Urr in Scotland (from Robert Scott and Elizabeth McGeorge), lived at High Ryes, Southwick, Scotland in 1841 and worked as an Agricultural Labourer in Holywood, Scotland in 1851. Also whether he was the man who married my GGgrandmother in Zeerust, South Africa in 1878 I am also trying to find out as much as I can about this Ship GIPSEY and the passenger on board - including finding a drawing or sketch of the Ship. Any help in this connection will be appreciated Kind regards Dennis Pretorius Commercial Genealogical Researcher/Kommersiële Genealogiese Navorser Owner of SAGenealogy E-mail list/Lyseienaar SAGenealogie poslys E-Mail/E-pos: krugersdorp@pixie.co.za Web address/Webadres: http://mzone.mweb.co.za/residents/k75/genealogy.html Telephone/Telefoon: +27-83-679-8541

I have a Janet GEDDES nee MCGILL who died 1856 aged 78. Her parents were Quentin GEDDES and Isobella GALBREATH. I`ve tried to find out more about the parents on Scotlandspeople and some of the free sites but have been unsuccessful. Just thought I`d ask if anyone out there has come across them anywhere. If you have I`d love to hear from you. Many thanks Cassandra