At the risk of becoming boring, I copy below another piece I've recd, this time about cross-boundary burials. * * * * * * Re your correspondence with Ken Swallow about baptisms of Kirkandrews upon Esk residents taking place in other parishes, it wasn't only baptisms but burials as well. When I was in Carlisle Record Office on 28/8/03 I noted in the Marrs index 1654-1837 of burials at Kirkandrews upon Esk the following note: Revd Sir To make you Sensible that the Register is truly exhibited, And to clear my Self of false Aspersions, I have taken care to Mark down the Names of those who Dyed in the Parish of Kirkandrews since last Visitation And were buried in other Parishes, wch were those following viz: {There followed a list of 17 names. One of these entries read 1730 Oct Morton Widdow Morton of Moat Bd. At Canabie. In the same year only 4 people were buried in Kirkandrews.} I suspect it had something to do with the Grahams at Kirkandrews. It may also be because Kirkandrews was a new church but I don't think that is the full story. * * * * * * Regards to all. Ken

----- Original Message ----- From: Margaret Cameron To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:45 AM Subject: Sassanach My grandmother Cameron , even though she taught school in English, and her sisters spoke the Gaelic among themselves. I learned from her when I was very young all about the battle of Culloden and about the "Sassanachs", and how 'they' brutally treated my family(Camerons)who were 'exiled' in the 1770s. Even though two and one half centuries have passed since the 'forced' emigration of my family from Scotland, the imprint of the 'Sassanachs' brutality is still engrained in my mind, thus making it an improbability for me to become rather 'romantic' about 'Scotch' history, or loyal to a country which treated an 'alien' (Gaelic/Irish)society in such a savage way.. The word "Sassanachs"(Saxons) pertained to the lowlanders who lived in Scotland who were of 'English' extraction and to the 'English' from the country named England. The border clans were not 'Sassanachs'(English/lowlanders). There was an English migration to Scotland under the Kings Edward of England, thus, the term 'lowlander'. The border families were a mix of Norse/Celt. Margaret Cameron, Long Sault, Ontario

Hi, Muff-- Two years or so ago, the Smithsonian Institution in Washington DC featured Scotland in its annual National Folklife Festival. From each featured area, the Festival brings many artisans and artists, particularly musicians, and also a number of knowledgeable individuals to lecture, act as masters of ceremonies, and so forth. I spent a lot of time at the Festival. Other parts of Scotland seemed to receive more attention than D & G but a Ms. Valentina Bold seemed to be the Festival's expert on the folk music of southwestern Scotland. She is on the faculty of the University of Glasgow's Crichton Campus in Dumfries. Take a look at her Broadside Ballads website, at http://www.broadsideballads.gallowayfolk.co.uk/ If you like what you see, Ms. Bold's contact information is listed on that page as well. (I do not know her personally.) I envy you your Christmas-tide trip to D & G. Cheers. Dan MacMeekin ---- Muff Worden <muff@eldhorn.is> wrote: > > Hi, folks - > > Just wondering if anyone with roots in D&G has picked up any folksongs > from that area, or knows of any folk tunes or songs specific to the > current area covered by Dumfries and Galloway in the southwest of > Scotland? As a musician who works with folk music, some of the time, I > would be interested to know what songs or tunes or fragments thereof > have come down in your families, so I can try to find them both when I > am in Dumfries at Christmastime and thereafter. I already have a few > from the area, but am looking for more. In my definitions, a song has > text as well as melody, and a tune has just the melody, no words. Also > folk tales and superstitions from the area. I have a lot of Robert > Burns already, though he was mainly considered from Ayrshire though he > was often in Dumfries. > > And if anyone who lives in or near Dumfries happens to know who the > current local music teachers, or music historians are, I would love to > know that in case I could manage to have a chat with them over a cuppa > when I am there. > > Thanks, > > Muff in Iceland >

Joyce or Vivienne: Would this information from the Calumet and Hecla (Calumet, Michigan, USA) personnel records (1865 to 1914) be useful to you? Because the birthplace is listed only as Scotland, it may not help much. Name: Grierson James Paybook #2003 Began work: 6//1868 Job: overseer, Calumet surface Date of Birth: //1821 Birth place: Scotland Marital status: m # of children: 10 Date of Death: 4/5 1897 Cause of Death: strangulated hernia Reads & writes: yes ySpeaks English: yes Name: Grierson William Paybook # 7757 Began work: fall 1888 Job: machinist Birthdate: //1857 Birth place: Scotland marital status: m # of children: 3 Date of death: 11/21/1913 Place of death: Calumet Ave. @ 6 p.m Reads/writes: yes Speaks English: yes

Hi, folks - Just wondering if anyone with roots in D&G has picked up any folksongs from that area, or knows of any folk tunes or songs specific to the current area covered by Dumfries and Galloway in the southwest of Scotland? As a musician who works with folk music, some of the time, I would be interested to know what songs or tunes or fragments thereof have come down in your families, so I can try to find them both when I am in Dumfries at Christmastime and thereafter. I already have a few from the area, but am looking for more. In my definitions, a song has text as well as melody, and a tune has just the melody, no words. Also folk tales and superstitions from the area. I have a lot of Robert Burns already, though he was mainly considered from Ayrshire though he was often in Dumfries. And if anyone who lives in or near Dumfries happens to know who the current local music teachers, or music historians are, I would love to know that in case I could manage to have a chat with them over a cuppa when I am there. Thanks, Muff in Iceland

Just to completly show my ignorance, would the Graham's in Moffat have been lowland Scots? Helen > > From: "Iain Hutchison" <iain@keapub.fsnet.co.uk> > Date: 2004/11/07 Sun AM 10:24:29 GMT > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" > > Madainn mhath mo chairdean, > > Sassanach in contemporary usage is an Englishman, but, as Ian says, a Gael might also use it to refer to a Lowland non-Gaelic-speaking Scot. In Gaelic, 'England' is 'Sasann', while the word for the English language is 'Beurla'. You will find variations to the spellings of Sassanach and Sasann, especially in older books and dictionaries. > > Incidentally, you will find plenty of locality names around Dumfries and Galloway whose origins are Gaelic, while some are probably Welsh. > > Iain > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian A McClumpha > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: 07 November 2004 08:53 > Subject: RE: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" > > > Hi > > Sassenach in Scotland meant a 'Lowland Scot', but often mistakenly used to > describe an Englishman. > > Regards > Ian. > Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please > visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pete Dinwoodie [mailto:dinwoodi@comcast.net] > Sent: 06 November 2004 22:57 > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" > > > Sassenach (ch = k). A Keltic word for a Saxon, or for the English language. > Source: Brewer's Dictionary. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lavendersblue" <lavendersblue@ntlworld.com> > To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 5:38 PM > Subject: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" > > > > "Sassenach" > > What does this word actually mean? > > I know who it referes to, but what is the actual meaning of the word? > > Sorry if it sounds a bit of a stupid question, but I just don't get it! > > > > Helen > > > > > > ( there speaks a Sassenach! ) > > > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > > ******************************************************************** > > To UNSUBSCRIBE > > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with > > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. > > ************************************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************** > To UNSUBSCRIBE > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. > ************************************************************************ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/04 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/04 > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > FIND YOUR ANCESTORS > http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > FIND YOUR ANCESTORS > http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ > > ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/

It is implied that my ancestors - LOW and ROUTLEDGE families originated in the Midlands, before emigrating to North Amarica in the mid 1700s. What are the geographic division lines and the areas designated as Midlands? Also, What might be the main areas to have these families in the 1700s? Thanks, in advance. Wallace Lowe Nova Scotia, Canada ?----- Original Message ----- From: <Lowlandscot@aol.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" > > In a message dated 07/11/2004 15:07:13 GMT Standard Time, > lavendersblue@ntlworld.com writes: > > Just to completly show my ignorance, would the Graham's in Moffat have been > lowland Scots? > > > > Oh yes, definitely. Personally I'd draw a line from Largs to Montrose, or > even Aberdeen and anything south of it is Lowland <LOL> If you look at a > contour map of Scotland you can see the fault line which separates the lowlands > from the highlands quite clearly. > > The counter insult to the cry of Sassenach ..is 'choochter'..ie anyone from > highlands and islands ......with the implication of having a highland cadence > to one's speech and the slowness of brain that comes from descending from > those who didnt' have the get-up-and-go to emigrate in the 1800s <G> > > Irene > This is a joke ..don't bother sending the hate mail!! > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > FIND YOUR ANCESTORS > http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ >

Hello Joyce, I have a John Grierson born 1756 but I do not know where he was born. I do know he was a farmer of Noblehill and later the Grove near Dumfries. He is the earliest Grierson that I know of in my family line. I can not see a connection. Cheers! Vivienne Vancouver Island

Interesting. Cornish has a very similar word: Sawsnek—the English language or a person from England. Apparently none of the Celts were terribly impressed with or fond of the Saxons. On Saturday, November 6, 2004, at 06:01 PM, Caddygrl92@aol.com wrote: > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com

In a message dated 07/11/2004 15:07:13 GMT Standard Time, lavendersblue@ntlworld.com writes: Just to completly show my ignorance, would the Graham's in Moffat have been lowland Scots? Oh yes, definitely. Personally I'd draw a line from Largs to Montrose, or even Aberdeen and anything south of it is Lowland <LOL> If you look at a contour map of Scotland you can see the fault line which separates the lowlands from the highlands quite clearly. The counter insult to the cry of Sassenach ..is 'choochter'..ie anyone from highlands and islands ......with the implication of having a highland cadence to one's speech and the slowness of brain that comes from descending from those who didnt' have the get-up-and-go to emigrate in the 1800s <G> Irene This is a joke ..don't bother sending the hate mail!!

Madainn mhath mo chairdean, Sassanach in contemporary usage is an Englishman, but, as Ian says, a Gael might also use it to refer to a Lowland non-Gaelic-speaking Scot. In Gaelic, 'England' is 'Sasann', while the word for the English language is 'Beurla'. You will find variations to the spellings of Sassanach and Sasann, especially in older books and dictionaries. Incidentally, you will find plenty of locality names around Dumfries and Galloway whose origins are Gaelic, while some are probably Welsh. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian A McClumpha To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 07 November 2004 08:53 Subject: RE: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" Hi Sassenach in Scotland meant a 'Lowland Scot', but often mistakenly used to describe an Englishman. Regards Ian. Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: Pete Dinwoodie [mailto:dinwoodi@comcast.net] Sent: 06 November 2004 22:57 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" Sassenach (ch = k). A Keltic word for a Saxon, or for the English language. Source: Brewer's Dictionary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavendersblue" <lavendersblue@ntlworld.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" > "Sassenach" > What does this word actually mean? > I know who it referes to, but what is the actual meaning of the word? > Sorry if it sounds a bit of a stupid question, but I just don't get it! > > Helen > > > ( there speaks a Sassenach! ) > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************** > To UNSUBSCRIBE > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. > ************************************************************************ > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== ******************************************************************** To UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. ************************************************************************ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/04 ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== FIND YOUR ANCESTORS http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/

Hi Sassenach in Scotland meant a 'Lowland Scot', but often mistakenly used to describe an Englishman. Regards Ian. Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: Pete Dinwoodie [mailto:dinwoodi@comcast.net] Sent: 06 November 2004 22:57 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" Sassenach (ch = k). A Keltic word for a Saxon, or for the English language. Source: Brewer's Dictionary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavendersblue" <lavendersblue@ntlworld.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" > "Sassenach" > What does this word actually mean? > I know who it referes to, but what is the actual meaning of the word? > Sorry if it sounds a bit of a stupid question, but I just don't get it! > > Helen > > > ( there speaks a Sassenach! ) > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************** > To UNSUBSCRIBE > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. > ************************************************************************ > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== ******************************************************************** To UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. ************************************************************************ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/04

Ah, Saxon! Quite amussing that the term is still used if that's where it derived from. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Dinwoodie" <dinwoodi@comcast.net> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" > Sassenach (ch = k). A Keltic word for a Saxon, or for the English > language. > Source: Brewer's Dictionary. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lavendersblue" <lavendersblue@ntlworld.com> > To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 5:38 PM > Subject: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" > > >> "Sassenach" >> What does this word actually mean? >> I know who it referes to, but what is the actual meaning of the word? >> Sorry if it sounds a bit of a stupid question, but I just don't get it! >> >> Helen >> >> >> ( there speaks a Sassenach! ) >> >> >> ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== >> ******************************************************************** >> To UNSUBSCRIBE >> send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail >> mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with >> only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. >> ************************************************************************ >> >> >> > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************** > To UNSUBSCRIBE > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. > ************************************************************************ > >

"Sassenach" What does this word actually mean? I know who it referes to, but what is the actual meaning of the word? Sorry if it sounds a bit of a stupid question, but I just don't get it! Helen ( there speaks a Sassenach! )

There are 2 publications... Memorials in burial ground at Repentance Tower, previously site of the Trailtow chapel, parish of Cummertrees GILCHRIST, George and Memorials of Cummertrees parish burial ground GILCHRIST, George Both are transcripts of pre-1855 graves. Cheers, Pam Date sent: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 13:36:33 -0500 From: David Walker <dawalker@magma.ca> To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Cummertrees Burials > Greetings, > > Does anyone know if there are transcriptions, or at least an index, of > burials in Cummertrees? I'm assuming there is a cemetery there, and if > not, where would people have been buried in the late 1700s - early 1800s? > > Regards....David > > All incoming/outgoing messages & attachments are scanned for virus content. > _________________________________________ > David Walker in Edwards, Ontario, Canada > - --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Researching: > WALKER in Dumfriesshire (Scotland), Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick & > British Columbia (Canada) and Colorado (U.S.A.) > HETHERINGTON in Dumfriesshire (Scotland) and Prince Edward Island (Canada) > PALMER in New Brunswick (Canada) and New York (USA) > BROWN, SEAMAN, WALLACE TOWNSEND/TOWNSHEND in New Brunswick (Canada) > SLOCUM in New Brunswick, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, England > CAIRNS, WALLACE, TOWNSEND/TOWNSHEND in PEI (Canada) > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walkerpalmer > http://www.isn.net/~dhunter/index.html > > David Walker is Moderator of the WALKER-PALMER Mailing List > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WALKER-PALMER > To Join: http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/WALKER-PALMER >

The question was asked about a transcript for Cummertrees burials. Yes there is such a thing. The series of Registers of Memorial Inscriptions in Annandale, includes Cummertrees parish Burial Ground (in other words the churchyard), June 1965, Dd33. I have tended to consult it in the past, at Annan library or at the Ewart, Dumfries. One needs to remember it is for pre-1855 inscriptions. The majority of headstones, in the churchyard, are of red sandstone and have mostly weathered very well. Certainly I have had no problem in reading the inscriptions for my Shannan ancestors, and others from Kelhead. Perhaps the questioner would like to indicate the name of the family in question? Keith Scott mariner98@supanet.com

Hi David: I do not know anything about Cummertrees but If you go to a search and put in Cummertrees Scotland you will find several people with family trees associated with Cummertrees. Good Luck Stuart Livingstone Brown - Cornwallis Nova Scotia Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Walker" <dawalker@magma.ca> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: Cummertrees Burials > Greetings, > > Does anyone know if there are transcriptions, or at least an index, of > burials in Cummertrees? I'm assuming there is a cemetery there, and if > not, where would people have been buried in the late 1700s - early 1800s? > > Regards....David > > All incoming/outgoing messages & attachments are scanned for virus content. > _________________________________________ > David Walker in Edwards, Ontario, Canada > - --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Researching: > WALKER in Dumfriesshire (Scotland), Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick & > British Columbia (Canada) and Colorado (U.S.A.) > HETHERINGTON in Dumfriesshire (Scotland) and Prince Edward Island (Canada) > PALMER in New Brunswick (Canada) and New York (USA) > BROWN, SEAMAN, WALLACE TOWNSEND/TOWNSHEND in New Brunswick (Canada) > SLOCUM in New Brunswick, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, England > CAIRNS, WALLACE, TOWNSEND/TOWNSHEND in PEI (Canada) > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walkerpalmer > http://www.isn.net/~dhunter/index.html > > David Walker is Moderator of the WALKER-PALMER Mailing List > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WALKER-PALMER > To Join: http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/WALKER-PALMER >

Especially for the attention of May, Jeffery and Barbara (thanks!) In return for circulating your comments to my (non-DG List contact) he came back with the following observations (copied raw from his message). May be of passing interest? ************* I was particularly taken by Jeffery Davidson's comments and I asked the opinion of a local lecturer on Manchester History whose courses I attend. He confirmed his understanding that miners were treated as virtual slaves in Scotland ( there speaks a Sassenach! ) but claimed he had found no evidence of similar treatment in his researches of coal mining in the Poynton area of Cheshire. But he ventured two other possible explanations: 1) there were various taxes or duties payable for baptisms etc and it may have been that you did not have to pay as much if you skipped over the border to Scotland, and 2) anyone found begging outside his own parish was sent back to his parish of origin. Perhaps people felt they had a better chance in Canonbie than in Kirkandrews on Esk if they fell on hard times! From your friend May's comments I rather infer that this switching of allegiance (which is what I suspect it really amounted to) was particularly prevalent in K on E. A year or two ago I met the Sessions Clerk of the church area that includes Canonbie and he confirmed that it had been common practice without offering any explanation. At one time I wondered whether it had anything to do with support or opposition to the Jacobites; this would have been an important issue when Bonnie Prince Charlie was planning to tackle Carlisle. But I am inclined to discount this and suspect that in the main it was the result of the 'lairds' ( to use Mr Davidson's term) of K on E at that time being the Grahams of Netherby. Some of my ancestors were tenants of the Grahams and maybe that family were deemed not to have improved greatly since they were pre-eminent as Border Rievers! Of course it may have been simply a matter of personal or religious sentiment. ************* Thanks. Ken

A Gaelic word used by the Scots and Irish to refer to an English person, and usually meant in an insulting way! Shari in Ohio

Sassenach (ch = k). A Keltic word for a Saxon, or for the English language. Source: Brewer's Dictionary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavendersblue" <lavendersblue@ntlworld.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" > "Sassenach" > What does this word actually mean? > I know who it referes to, but what is the actual meaning of the word? > Sorry if it sounds a bit of a stupid question, but I just don't get it! > > Helen > > > ( there speaks a Sassenach! ) > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************** > To UNSUBSCRIBE > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. > ************************************************************************ > > >