Irene & others: http://www.webspawner.com/users/griersonorigins17/index.html I have placed your notes with your name in brackets on the link - page above. Should you have anything else to contribute or anyone else want for me to create YOU A WEB PAGE linking it to the Grierson Pages? You will be given full credit for your work and all sources will be observed, get in touch. Let's make that data available to all....if you have a query conerning your griersons, please send it on. I do not have all my work with me, but I can access the several thousand notations which are still fresh in my mind concerning both the London Gazette and especially The Times, [London] which I work I have only just completed. Be in touch, David Grierson ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.tqci.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by mail.tqci.net]

Cathy, This is a free online service you can access yourself at: _http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_search.asp#sear ch_ (http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_search.asp#search) Good Hunting to you..! Yours aye, John Jardine Cincinnati, Ohio USA D&G FHS Member #1918 Alba mo dhuthaich gu deireadh mo la! (Scotland my homeland forever!) JARDINE/JARDEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Annan, Applegarth, Wamphray, Torthorwald, Collin, Racks, Cummertrees, Powfoot, Mouswald, Kirkmichael, Templand; GREEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; RAE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; MOFFAT in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; McMILLAN in Dumfries, Kirkcudbright, Irongray; HALLIDAY in Irongray; BRODIE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; DICKSON in Mouswald; HOPE in Annan; JOHNSTON(E) in Applegarth, Kirkpatrick-Juxta; PORTEOUS in Applegarth; RICHARDSON in Applegarth

In a message dated 09/11/2004 01:11:36 GMT Standard Time, griersonworldproject@mail.tqci.net writes: Quoted below are the extracts from Memorials of St Michaels written by William M'Dowall and printed by Adam & Charles Black of Edinburgh in 1876. c) Western Wall Quote - SAMUAL GRIERSON, (Baker) & (Brewer), died 26th September 1832, aged 38, with three of his children, including JAMES [GRIERSON], a (Medical Student), cut off at 17 - Unquote d) Parallel with the Southern Walk Quote - JOHN GRIERSON, (Innkeeper), died 30th November 1843, aged 41 - Unquote Quote - JOHN GRIERSON, of Muirside, Holywood, who died there 31st December 1874, aged 71 - Unquote. John who died in 1874 at Muiravonside was the son of William Grierson and Jean Lottimer, and Samuel Grierson the baker was probably his brother, while John the innkeeper who died in 1843 was their cousin. If anyone has any links to them I'd be pleased to hear from them. Does anyone know anything more about this Joseph? Quote - MARYANN GRIERSON, spouse of JOSEPH GRIERSON, mason, died 5th July 1842, aged 29; and of JAMES [GRIERSON] their son, died at Hanley, Staffordshire, 8th January 1846, aged 28. - Unquote. Irene

Hello Steve, My Griersons came from Noblehill and later the Grove near Dumfries around 1756. John Grierson from Ladypark Farm around 1830 to 1870's. Joseph Grierson was a farmer in Racks and then went to Glasgow. He died 1909 in Glasgow I think. Cheers! Vivienne Vancouver Island

Hello David, I can not see a connection to your Griersons and mine unfortunately. Cheers! Vivienne Vancouver Island

Hello Grace, I can not see a connection with your Griersons. Cheers! Vivienne Vancouver Island

http://www.webspawner.com/users/griersonorigins19/index.html This might help clear up some things for some of those persons who have never seen these records: Grierson History - Page 20 Quoted below are the extracts from Memorials of St Michaels written by William M'Dowall and printed by Adam & Charles Black of Edinburgh in 1876. a) Between the Western Wall and the footpath eastwards. Quote - To AGNES McBURNIE, relict of JAMES GRIERSON of DALGONER; THOMAS GRIERSON 0f Larbreck, their son, died 8th May, 1774, aged 65; and the spouse of the latter, ELIZABETH WARD, a table tombstone near the Hannahfield monument is devoted, which is neighboured by another bearing the name of their son, THOMAS [GRIERSON], died 14th May, 1798, aged 27. The deceased were of the same family as the Griersons of Lag, their common ancestor having been GILBERT [nee MacGregor] GRIERSON, second son of the Celtic thane [11th feudal Lord of MacGregor] Malcolm Dominus de Macgregor, who about five hundred years ago settled in Dumfriesshire. - Unquote b) Southern Wall and Walk Quote - In memory of JEMIMA GRIERSON, aged 10 years, & JANE GRIERSON, aged 24, and their mother, JEAN BARRON, died at Liverpool, [England] 26th October 1856, aged 55 - Unquote c) Western Wall Quote - SAMUAL GRIERSON, (Baker) & (Brewer), died 26th September 1832, aged 38, with three of his children, including JAMES [GRIERSON], a (Medical Student), cut off at 17 - Unquote d) Parallel with the Southern Walk Quote - JOHN GRIERSON, (Innkeeper), died 30th November 1843, aged 41 - Unquote Quote - EDWARD GRIERSON, (Joiner), died 18th July 1865, aged 75; it commorates also his sons, WILLIAM [GRIERSON], ROBERT [GRIERSON] & RICHARD [GRIERSON], who died in boyhood, ALEXANDER [GRIERSON], who died at 26, and two other children, who died in infancy. Mr Grierson erected many buildings on his own account; and an extensive range of houses built on Corbelly Hill by his son JOHN [GRIERSON] is named GRIERSON'S TERRACE. - Unquote e) Interior Sections - Number 2 Quote (I have to include other data here in order to make sense of it) - Many years before the Union of the Crowns in 1603, the Dyers were numerous enough in Dumfries to constitute a guild of their own; but before the end of the 17th Century they seem to have been amalgamated with the Tailors' Incorporation. These ancient litsters (as they were termed) were trade progenitors of the Armstrongs and the Shortridges of our own day, did not as a rule deal in fancy colours. With them "true blue" was the prevailing tint, and home-grown wool its chief recipient in the shape of yarns for the spinning wheel or substantial cloth woven by hand-loom weavers-the humble prelude of the tweed fabrics for which our Burgh has come to be so famous. The REBECCA GRIERSON whose name appears on the stone just noticed was the daughter of ("a wabster guid") who lived at a period when this primitive woollen trace was still flourishing, and who may have turned out "blue bonnets" innumerable, and must have litstered lots of hoddan-grey for the better-class burgesses of the district. Fast and true he must have been in his social relationships not less than in the colours of his trade, if the following inscription on his humble monument be not over-coloured : "Here lies interred the remains of JOHN GRIERSON, (Dyer), Dumfries, [Scotland] who departed this life on the 27th January, 1797, in the 86th year of his age. Esteemed by all who knew him as a kind husband and tender parent, a sincere friend, and honest man." Married first to REBECCA FERGUSON, who departed this life March 22nd, 1755, aged 42, "a humble Christian, a sincere friend, an affectionate wife, and a tender-hearted mother ;" he afterwards wedded SUSANAH CAIRNS, who survived him 10 years, and of whom her children are represented as saying "Reader, she feels her loss no more : her dust is commingled with his. She waits, like him, the rewards of eternity - a mother whom they who not attest her virtues can only remember with reverence and regret" - Unquote. f) Behind the Church Quote - GILBERT GRIERSON died 12th January, 1800, aged 50, with JANET ANDERSON his spouse. - Unquote Quote - MARYANN GRIERSON, spouse of JOSEPH GRIERSON, mason, died 5th July 1842, aged 29; and of JAMES [GRIERSON] their son, died at Hanley, Staffordshire, 8th January 1846, aged 28. - Unquote. g) The Martyrs' Stones Quote - The tombstones in St Michael's churchyard, erected in memory of WILLIAM GRIERSON and William Welsh, two martyred Covenanters - Unquote. [Both done in by (Sir) Robert Grierson of Lag, "Auld Lagg." (There are a few pages giving the background, history, trial and reason for the above the Martyrs; Stones. If you wish to read them, let me know). Quote - The next stone commemorates WILLIAM GRIERSON also executed 2nd January, 1667, the versified epitaph running thus : "Under this stone lo, here doth ly Dust sacrificed to tyranny ; Yet precious in Immenull's sight Since martyr'd for His Kingly right, When he condemns these hellish druges, By sufferage saints shall judge their judges" - Unquote h) The North Wall Quote - A stately Gothic ediface marks the burying ground of JOHN GRIERSON, (Joiner), & indicates three blanks in his family circle. AGNES GRIERSON died at 12, JESSIE CRAIG GRIERSON at 4 and MARY McKAY GRIERSON at 10, his youthful children, being named in the inscription. - Unquote i) The Inner Sections Quote - MATILDA GRIERSON, died 28th March 1874, aged 35 - Unquote Quote - JOHN GRIERSON, of Muirside, Holywood, who died there 31st December 1874, aged 71 - Unquote. ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.tqci.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by mail.tqci.net]

I did not read any of the email concerning Grier or Grierson because I don't have the time just yet, but if those of you who want to start following them, I am building a 100 pages web site just now on the Griersons and it will include fresh perspectives as yet never before considered and information with sources that will help to teach as we all learn. You can begin by going to this page: http://www.webspawner.com/users/griersonorigins15/index.html And once there, you can click on the bottom of any page to go backwards or forwards. This is Katherine Grierson aka Grayson, who was the daughter of Robert Grierson of the Hillibee Tribe (Creek Indians), but he was born the son of Thomas Grierson of Larbreck Farm, Parish of Irongrey, near Dumfries, Scotland. His brother (James) Will I am presently transcribing from 1778. Thomas Grierson of Larbreck Farm had a wife, ELIZABETH WARD.....Thomas Grierson was the son of James Grierson of Dalgoner, whose wife was Agnes McBurnie....more later as we move forward and onward......any Grier or Grierson who wants a link to any one of these pages, please send your request to me... David Grierson ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com Reply-To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:00:17 -0700 >Content-Type: text/plain > >DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 294 > >Today's Topics: > #1 [D-G LIST] McNEIL LOCKHART & other [Bruce McDowall <Bruce_McDowall@hun] > #2 Re: Grier or Grierson [Hunter Genealogy <hunter.genealogy] > #3 Re: [D-G LIST] Aitken, Tait, Halli ["David Thomson" <orkboyz@lineone.n] > #4 Re: D&G music, and teachers [Muff Worden <muff@eldhorn.is>] > #5 Re: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D Digest V04 ["MARYAN HANDY" <maryanhandy@msn.co] > #6 Grier or Grierson [vivienne wilson <vbrit@shaw.ca>] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D, send a message to > > DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________ > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.tqci.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by tqci.net]

Hi Anita, You asked, <snip> If any one can offer a reason as to why the other seven cannot be located I would be interested to know why, could it be the others were listed as being born in Mochrum and there are no surviving OPR records to show them? <snip> When looking for birth / baptism records prior to 1855, the answer is often because the parents didn’t bother having some or all of their children recorded in the OPRs. It wasn’t compulsory to register births until 1855, when civil registration commenced. Sometimes, it happens that there is a baptism recorded in an OPR, but that record has not been extracted into the IGI. The IGI covers most OPR records, but it is not complete. The Mochrum Baptism Register, 1820 to 1854, is one which I have found to have lots of records not extracted to the IGI. In this case, it also applies to the OPR Index, and the “Scottish Church Records” CD. With this in mind, I had a ‘trawl’ thru the LDS film of that register, looking for your McNEILs. I found Isabella and Andrew had been registered. This is what I have transcribed: 1826. “Andrew McNeil weaver in Glentriplock and his wife Jane Lockart had a lawful daughter born and baptised the 14th July named Isabella” 1830. “Andrew Neil weaver in Glentriplock and his wife Jane Lockart had a lawful son born the 20th April and baptised the 2d May named Andrew” You also asked: <snip> Andrew McNEIL born c 1795 was said to be of Arryhassen. I know of an Airriehassen farm on the road to Whauphill. Could it be that he may have been born on this farm? if the family were workers or lodgers in a croft? <snip> It is certainly possible that your Andrew McNEIL was born in Arryhassen in 1795, but unless there’s a baptism record in the Kirkinner OPR, I don’t know that you’ll ever be able to prove it. (I didn’t get time to check that register.) I doubt that he owned Airyhassen, (as it is spelt on today’s maps), when he died in 1863, although the term “of Arryhassen” implies that he owned it. He was more likely to have been a tenant, in which case the term “in Arryhassen” would be the correct term. Not that it proves very much, but it is interesting that Airyhassen is only a mile from Glentriplock. Regards, Bruce p.s. I'm posting this also to the WIG list. - - - - - original - - - - - Hi List Thought it was time I listed my interests McNEIL Andrew b c1795 Kirkinner, died 10 Feb 1863, Port William (Father John McNeil) married 11 Jun 1815 Penninghame, Wig to Jane/Jean LOCKHART, died 5 Sep 1885 Port William(Father John LOCKHART). This couple though having died in Port William are buried in St Ninians Old Kirkyard. Could anyone explain why they would be buried there instead of a local church yard? I have only been able to locate one christening of their eight children and that is one of their daughters Helen Rutledge McNEIL chr 17 Aug 1817 Penninghame, this is taken from the IGI. If any one can offer a reason as to why the other seven cannot be located I would be interested to know why, could it be the others were listed as being born in Mochrum and there are no surviving OPR records to show them? John McNEIL b c1821, Anthony McNEIL b c1819 died 26 Jul 1839, James McNEIL b c1823, Isabella Brown McNEIL b c1827 died 21 Jan 1914, Andrew McNEIL b c1831, William McNEIL b c1833 and Rubina McNEIL b c1835. John McNeil is known to have married Annie FRAZER formerly BUTCHER ( Father: John BUTCHER, Mother: Agnes McGUFFIE) on 7 Oct 1849. James McNEIL went on to marry Grace WALLACE about 1844 William McNEIL went on to marry Lavina LAY on 20 Jan 1859. Any information on any of the other siblings would be gratefully received. I have census details of the family through 1841, 1851 and 1881 and but some of them just seem to have disappeared. GRIFFIN Annie b1854 Glasserton, Wig (Father: William GRIFFIN Mother Helen McCARTNEY) married on 12 Dec 1884 Port William to John McNEIL b 16 Dec 1852 Glasserton, Wig. They had five children the only chr I am unable to locate is that of their son Alexander born c1885. Listed in the 1891 census as being 6yrs old born Mochrum and in the 1901 census aged 16yr also born Mochrum. Any help with Alexander McNeil would be appreciated. Grace McNEIL b3 Oct 1888 Port William married 11 Jul 1913 Great Hamilton St, Glasgow to Alexander McCUTCHEON. Elizabeth Ann McNeil b10 Aug 1895 Port William married 4 Jun 1915 to Andrew McCREDIE (Father Robert McCREDIE Mother Grace McADAM) Could anyone advice on how to find further information on families in the late 1700s. Andrew McNEIL born c 1795 was said to be of Arryhassen. I know of an Airriehassen farm on the road to Whauphill. Could it be that he may have been born on this farm? if the family were workers or lodgers in a croft? I have asked a lot of questions here and I hope that someone can help out or point me in the right direction. Thank you for your time and sorry for the cross posting Anita McNeil

Hi Ian and All, Your term, Ian, may be literally correct but if yer a Scotsman ye'll no' think sae! A quick Google search states, Sassenach: ' The Scots' term for an English person.' Which is how I would describe the word, however when I was growing up in Edinburgh in the 1940's and 50's it had strong connotations towards the English as 'the enemy'. All is forgiven now, ofcourse......I married one! Cheers from NZ, Maureen POOL HOPE THOMSON MACKIE in Annan. > Hi > > Sassenach in Scotland meant a 'Lowland Scot', but often mistakenly used to > describe an Englishman. > > Regards > Ian. > Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please > visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pete Dinwoodie [mailto:dinwoodi@comcast.net] > Sent: 06 November 2004 22:57 > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" > > > Sassenach (ch = k). A Keltic word for a Saxon, or for the English language. > Source: Brewer's Dictionary. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lavendersblue" <lavendersblue@ntlworld.com> > To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 5:38 PM > Subject: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" > > > > "Sassenach" > > What does this word actually mean? > > I know who it referes to, but what is the actual meaning of the word? > > Sorry if it sounds a bit of a stupid question, but I just don't get it! > > > > Helen > > > > > > ( there speaks a Sassenach! ) > > > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > > ******************************************************************** > > To UNSUBSCRIBE > > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with > > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. > > ************************************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************** > To UNSUBSCRIBE > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. > ************************************************************************ > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/04 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/04 > > ______________________________

Haven't heard anything of this down in the Antipodes. Les H., Napier, NZ. Save the Scottish Regiments Campaign A number of our customers have strong connections with various Scottish Regiments, including the Black Watch who are currently on active service in Iraq. The British Government has put forward a proposal to disband the current Scottish Regiments and replace them with one single Regiment. This has created an uproar in Scotland and The Scotsman newspaper has formed a petition to protest against this. To read about this, and to register your disgust by signing the petition, follow this link. http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1207

Steve & Vivienne, MI 144 New Abbey cemetery, New Abbey - Jane Grierson b.about 1768 d.28-Jul-1852, wife of John Thomson b.about 1750 d.17-Jan-1806, late farmer in Millhill of Troqueer. Also their children - John b.about 1796 d.25-Feb-1873 Millhill Agnes b.15-Jun-1803 Troqueer d.7-Mar-1886 Millhill Joseph b.about 1805 d.23-Apr-1871 Whitehill, Troqueer John who married Jane Grierson seems to be my 4g/grandfather. Apparently he fathered my 3g/grandfather, Samuel, by Janet (Dowel or Weel) as there is a baptism for Samuel in Troqueer dated 4-Nov-1789. There is no record of a marriage of John And Janet. However in the Troqueer OPR records, on 20-Dec-1789, John Thomson was fined for "fornication or adultery". John appears, then, to have married Jane Grierson. I would have thought that they had more than 3 children, as back then, it is not common to have a gap of 7 years between child 1 & 2. However that is as far as I have got for now. Hoping for a connection David Surrey, England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Boyd" <sboyd@bigpond.net.au> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 3:40 AM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Aitken, Tait, Halliday and Grierson > Hi Vivienne, > > I have Grierson's in Troqueer from abt 1817 to mid 1860's any connections > there. > > Regards > Steve Boyd > Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vivienne wilson" <vbrit@shaw.ca> > To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:37 PM > Subject: [D-G LIST] Aitken, Tait, Halliday and Grierson > > > > Hello Group, > > > > Thanks for the welcome, Tom. I have belonged to the group before, but now > that I am retired perhaps I will have more time to work on genealogy. > > > > The names that I am researching are Aitken, Tait, Halliday, and Grierson. > I have the most information on my Griersons. The areas that I am looking > are Kirkmahoe, Troqueer, Noblehill, The Grove, Ladypark Farm and Racks. > > > > Thanks > > > > Cheers! > > > > Vivienne > > Vancouver Island > > > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > If your line involves the surname BRUCE why not join > > CLAN-BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ********************************** > YOU HAVE ENTERED A FLAME FREE ZONE > ********************************** >

Hi, Dan and Ian and others - Thanks for the info on local music, and music connections that you have sent along to me by way of the List or separately. The broadside ballads site is wonderful - too bad Valentina is on sabbatical, or I would try to find her for a cuppa and a chat. However, thanks to a couple of you I have found the website of the D&G Arts Association, and that is worth a good wander if you haven't already found it yourselves. Here is the homepage: http://www.dgaa.net/index.php There are many performers of traditional music listed, with several in Dumfries and many close by, so I should be able to find one or two for a chat while I am there. Now, all I need is two months' time squeezed into four days!! Muff On Monday, November 8, 2004, at 04:59 AM, DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > From: Dan MacMeekin <dan@macmeekin.com> > Date: Sun Nov 7, 2004 8:51:02 PM Atlantic/Reykjavik > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] D&G music, and teachers > > > Hi, Muff-- > > Two years or so ago, the Smithsonian Institution in Washington DC > featured Scotland in its annual National Folklife Festival. From each > featured area, the Festival brings many artisans and artists, > particularly musicians, and also a number of knowledgeable individuals > to lecture, act as masters of ceremonies, and so forth. > > I spent a lot of time at the Festival. Other parts of Scotland seemed > to receive more attention than D & G but a Ms. Valentina Bold seemed > to be the Festival's expert on the folk music of southwestern > Scotland. She is on the faculty of the University of Glasgow's > Crichton Campus in Dumfries. Take a look at her Broadside Ballads > website, at http://www.broadsideballads.gallowayfolk.co.uk/ > > If you like what you see, Ms. Bold's contact information is listed on > that page as well. > > Muff Worden Ranargata 3 710 Seydisfjordur Iceland Phone: +354-472-1775 Mobile/Cell/GSM: +354-849-2744 Web: www.geocities.com/mworden.geo/

Hello Al, Thanks for that information. It could be useful in the future. Cheers! Vivienne Vancouver Island

There is a series of books by Diana Gabaldon called the "Outlander" series and the main Scot calls his wife "Sassenach". She was a time traveler from England back to the 16th century but he uses the name as a term of endearment. This series of books about Scotland and also my Hannay castle at Sorbie prompted my visit from the USA last Spring. What a wonderful trip to a beautiful country. A Scot in a kilt could call me most anything and I would love it. Maryan Hanner Handy from NC, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:59 PM Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D Digest V04 #293

Hi Vivienne: I have a William Grierson born c1738 possibly in Penpont, Dumfriesshire. He married a Sarah Howat and they had daughter Sarah born 23 July 1758 in Penpont. Not sure if any of these folks look familar but thought I would pass them on just in case. thx. Al Calgary ----- Original Message ----- From: "vivienne wilson" <vbrit@shaw.ca> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: Grier or Grierson > Hello Joyce, > > I have a John Grierson born 1756 but I do not know where he was born. I do know he was a farmer of Noblehill and later the Grove near Dumfries. He is the earliest Grierson that I know of in my family line. I can not see a connection. > > Cheers! > > Vivienne > Vancouver Island > > ______________________________ >

Hi Dan / Muff From what I gather, Valentina is on a sabbatical and her plans for a C-D rom have fallen by the wayside. She did do an excellent one of the North-East before she moved down here. Regards Ian. Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan MacMeekin [mailto:dan@macmeekin.com] Sent: 07 November 2004 20:51 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] D&G music, and teachers Hi, Muff-- Two years or so ago, the Smithsonian Institution in Washington DC featured Scotland in its annual National Folklife Festival. From each featured area, the Festival brings many artisans and artists, particularly musicians, and also a number of knowledgeable individuals to lecture, act as masters of ceremonies, and so forth. I spent a lot of time at the Festival. Other parts of Scotland seemed to receive more attention than D & G but a Ms. Valentina Bold seemed to be the Festival's expert on the folk music of southwestern Scotland. She is on the faculty of the University of Glasgow's Crichton Campus in Dumfries. Take a look at her Broadside Ballads website, at http://www.broadsideballads.gallowayfolk.co.uk/ If you like what you see, Ms. Bold's contact information is listed on that page as well. (I do not know her personally.) I envy you your Christmas-tide trip to D & G. Cheers. Dan MacMeekin ---- Muff Worden <muff@eldhorn.is> wrote: > > Hi, folks - > > Just wondering if anyone with roots in D&G has picked up any folksongs > from that area, or knows of any folk tunes or songs specific to the > current area covered by Dumfries and Galloway in the southwest of > Scotland? As a musician who works with folk music, some of the time, I > would be interested to know what songs or tunes or fragments thereof > have come down in your families, so I can try to find them both when I > am in Dumfries at Christmastime and thereafter. I already have a few > from the area, but am looking for more. In my definitions, a song has > text as well as melody, and a tune has just the melody, no words. Also > folk tales and superstitions from the area. I have a lot of Robert > Burns already, though he was mainly considered from Ayrshire though he > was often in Dumfries. > > And if anyone who lives in or near Dumfries happens to know who the > current local music teachers, or music historians are, I would love to > know that in case I could manage to have a chat with them over a cuppa > when I am there. > > Thanks, > > Muff in Iceland > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== FIND YOUR ANCESTORS http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/04

Many thanks to everyone who has sent messages direct to me, and who have carried on the interesting thread on the list. I knew it was, in general, a derogatory name for an English person, but I didn't know where it had come from...the Saxons, who where west Germanic people who settled in the south of England (I always knew those southerns were weird <VBG!!>) But I didn't know that it was also a term used for people from the Lowlands. I now have this vision in my mind of a ferocious red-headed beast, donned in a kilt, chasing that haggis around the mountain top <VVVBG>. Incidentally, I like haggis; they're so cute, and the way those highlanders squeeze them into that boil-in-the-bag is amazing <lol> But seriously folks, thanks for enlightening me...and thanks for not letting it get out of hand and breaking out into war. Best wishes, Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavendersblue" <lavendersblue@ntlworld.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] "Sassenach" > "Sassenach" > What does this word actually mean? > I know who it referes to, but what is the actual meaning of the word? > Sorry if it sounds a bit of a stupid question, but I just don't get it! > > Helen > > > ( there speaks a Sassenach! ) > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************** > To UNSUBSCRIBE > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. > ************************************************************************ > >

A Gaelic word meaning 'foreigner'. Depends where you are of course. In England here it could be applied to a Scot or many of our Menbers of Parliament :-) Best Regards Len Knott New Forest in Hampshire in the South of England >1 > A Gaelic word used by the Scots and Irish to refer to an English > person, and usually meant in an insulting way! > Shari in Ohio > >2 >Interesting. Cornish has a very similar word: Sawsnek-the English >language or a person from England. Apparently none of the Celts were >terribly impressed with or fond of the Saxons. > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ====

Hello Jean and Tom, Thank you but these Grierson's are not related to me. Cheers! Vivienne Vancouver Island