Hi List. I have been looking for my Smith Family down in England and found these strays. Knowing how hard they are to find, thought I would send this. 1981 British Census John Smith, Male ; born at sea; age 63 Labourer Margaret Wife, born at Dumf. 51 Andrew son born at Thoddan, Dumf. age 31 Peter son born Dumfries age 17 Janet dau. born Dumfries age 20 W.John son Born at Carluke age 11 Isabella Dau born at Gateshead Durham age 8 Thats all folks. Hope it helps someone Merry Christmas all. Jean Coat

Hi Bill, The paper in Castle Douglas is the Galloway News, comes out Thursdays. The email given for editorial is gallowaynews@s-n.co.uk. In the past I have seen letters to the editor from people searching as you are, so you may like to give that a try. Paul Hier klicken, um mein erstes Buch über Neuseeland zu kaufen, ein Bildband vom renommierten Fotografen Holger Leue mit Text von Paul D. Chilvers-Grierson (ab sofort erhältlich!): http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3765441279/dumfriesand01-21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "william robb" <williamrobb@bigpond.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] how to make contact Just wanted to say thanks for the advice Sheena,Judy and Jeffery. We tried BT.com and found that they have a search for business type section that gave us the answer about there being newspapers in the area. We found one!!!!! And it also includes the address so we'll write to them and see if they'll be able to help us.... Thanks again! Much appreciated. Leeona and Bill ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ To reach every member of the list : Send Email to ....... DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com

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Hi, www.bt.com have a online directory enquiries. If you just type in name and place it will give you the address and phone number of anyone in the area, but not if they are ex-directory. Sheena. ----- Original Message ----- From: "william robb" <williamrobb@bigpond.com> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] how to make contact > Hi, we've just found out that there are descendants of Andrew Robb and > Margaret Duncan still living in the areas of Castle Douglas... though we > weren't given any names to help us we were told that they weren't actually > Robb's. We're just wondering if anyone could possibly tell us the best way > to try and make contact with them.. for instance is there a local paper > for the area? and how would we from Australia be able to access it? > Thanks for your help. > Leeona and Bill > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > FIND YOUR ANCESTORS > http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ > >

In a message dated 01/12/2004 15:09:35 GMT Standard Time, sheena@smiths41.fsnet.co.uk writes: Hi, www.bt.com have a online directory enquiries. If you just type in name and place it will give you the address and phone number of anyone in the area, but not if they are ex-directory Problem is Sheena, Leonie and Bill don't know what the surname is! Is there a Dumfries Courier. I'm sure I did a Google - Dumfries +newspaper and came up with the local rag! Judy

William, My family had lost touch with relatives in Wales. We knew really nothing about the family that my grandfather left behind when he came to Canada. A cousin of mine put an classified ad in the local paper asking relatives of Douglas Gill to contact her. She got a response. I don't see many alternatives since you don't know their last name or anything, other than hoping that they post to this or other similiar lists. Jeffery Davidson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheena Smith" <sheena@smiths41.fsnet.co.uk> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] how to make contact > Hi, > www.bt.com have a online directory enquiries. If you just type in name and > place it will give you the address and phone number of anyone in the area, > but not if they are ex-directory. > Sheena. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "william robb" <williamrobb@bigpond.com> > To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:24 PM > Subject: [D-G LIST] how to make contact > > > > Hi, we've just found out that there are descendants of Andrew Robb and > > Margaret Duncan still living in the areas of Castle Douglas... though we > > weren't given any names to help us we were told that they weren't actually > > Robb's. We're just wondering if anyone could possibly tell us the best way > > to try and make contact with them.. for instance is there a local paper > > for the area? and how would we from Australia be able to access it? > > Thanks for your help. > > Leeona and Bill > > > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > > FIND YOUR ANCESTORS > > http://www.directcon.net/tomas/Ancestry/index.html/ > > > > > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ******************************************************************** > To UNSUBSCRIBE > send a message to DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for mail > mode) or DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. NO subject, NO signature. > ************************************************************************ > >

Hi Yvette I think Kirkmabreck church was built around 1860, from memory, there is a gravestone which reads "the first burial in this Kirkyard" or words to that effect. Regards Ian A McClumpha Researching Family History in Dumfries & Galloway ~ and beyond. Please visit my Website: http://www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: Yvette MUIR [mailto:ymuir1706@rogers.com] Sent: 01 December 2004 02:26 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [D-G LIST] Kirkmabreck church Have been looking @ photos of parish churches in DG. When was the new Kirkmabreck church built? My gggrandfather, Andrew MUIR, was christened @ Kirkmabreck 6 Apr 1784. Would that have been in the old or new parish church? His 1874 obit in Halifax, N.S. said he was a native of Creetown, but I had not realized that Creetown was in that parish. The family must have moved there between 1774 when 1st child christened @ Anwoth & 1781 when 1st of 4 others christened @ Kirkmabreck Yvette ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If your line involves the surname BRUCE why not join CLAN-BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/04

I have found what looks like the above wording from a marriage certificate dated 1908. Mary Nicholson was a cook there, aged 27. Is the name correct & is there any information that can be located about staff that worked there? Thanks in advance Barbara Keeping an eye out for Hunter, Laurie, Nicholson in Dumfries & Edinburgh for a friend.

Have been looking @ photos of parish churches in DG. When was the new Kirkmabreck church built? My gggrandfather, Andrew MUIR, was christened @ Kirkmabreck 6 Apr 1784. Would that have been in the old or new parish church? His 1874 obit in Halifax, N.S. said he was a native of Creetown, but I had not realized that Creetown was in that parish. The family must have moved there between 1774 when 1st child christened @ Anwoth & 1781 when 1st of 4 others christened @ Kirkmabreck Yvette

I have not viewed them, but I believe that the archives for the Royal Crichton are quite extensive. Try enquiring through: Dumfries and Galloway Health Board Archives Crichton Royal Museum Easterbrook Hall Bankend Road Dumfries DG1 4TG United Kingdom Tel: 01387 244228 Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Dennis To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 30 November 2004 17:49 Subject: [D-G LIST] Crichton Royal Institution, Dumfries I have found what looks like the above wording from a marriage certificate dated 1908. Mary Nicholson was a cook there, aged 27. Is the name correct & is there any information that can be located about staff that worked there? Thanks in advance Barbara Keeping an eye out for Hunter, Laurie, Nicholson in Dumfries & Edinburgh for a friend. ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ To reach every member of the list : Send Email to ....... DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com

Les, I'd like to learn more too - we've traced my husband's line from Glasgow (present day) back to Johnstons in Armagh (mid-19th century). Margo in Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: Les Hewett [mailto:ljhewett@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 27 November 2004 01:20 To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [D-G LIST] JOHNSTON/ES TO IRELAND Any lister interested in the historical emigration of Johnston/Johnstone from the Borders to Northern Ireland? Would like to learn more - when, who, why, etc. Les Hewett, Napier, NZ. ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If your line involves the surname BRUCE why not join CLAN-BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Barbara, The Crichton Institute was a lunatic asylum, before it became the Crichton Royal Hospital. Using a Google search for the Crichton Royal Institution will give you lots more information. Hope this helps Michael from Lancashire In a message dated 30/11/2004 17:49:53 GMT Standard Time, tdennis@ihug.co.nz writes: I have found what looks like the above wording from a marriage certificate dated 1908. Mary Nicholson was a cook there, aged 27. Is the name correct & is there any information that can be located about staff that worked there? Thanks in advance Barbara Keeping an eye out for Hunter, Laurie, Nicholson in Dumfries & Edinburgh for a friend. ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ To reach every member of the list : Send Email to ....... DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com

Does anyone have a copy of Tales and Legends of the Upperward of Lanarkshire, Scotland, by D. Lockhart? It tells of a Vere or Weir family, and I do not know what else. The only copy in the libraries of Canada and the U.S. is missing. I hope someone will tell us of the Tales and Legends if they have a copy in their Library. I do not know if the British Isles has a copy which someone there can borrow. Hope some kind person can help, and tell us what D. Lockhart had to tell us.. If SKS knows of where else to make a successful request, I would appreciate hearing from you.

G'Day Listers, After my initial post regarding my McKenzie, Brown & Hunter families I have narrowed down information on this family from some wonderful people and their help and advise has been very helpful, THANK YOU to you all. I have found the family of James McKenzie in the 1841 Census for Dumfries as James 45, Jannet 22, Andrew 20, William 15, Mary 12, Agness 10 and Thomas 8. (My Alexander was already in Tasmania as of 1838). By reading this I am now "assuming" that Catherine (Katherine, Katherina) McKenzie (nee Brown) was dead before 1841. Would SKS be able to find a death for her and if possible a marriage of James & Catherine? It appears that the child of James McKenzie & Mary Hunter (that was mentioned in a letter from Andrew to his brother Alexander) was born in 1840 and named Margaret McKenzie. What was the way of naming children born out of wedlock, could they just be given the father's surname? Andrew mentioned that the child had cost their father about 100 pounds to settle it. I am again "assuming" that James McKenzie did not marry Mary Hunter. A search of the 1851 Census in Dumfries listed a Margaret McKenzie as being the grand daughter of James Hunter. In this household there were James , Helen (wife of James Hunter), Margaret (daughter of James), Helen (grand daughter of James) and Margaret McKenzie (grand daughter of James). There was no mention of a daughter named Mary Hunter. Is SKS able to find out for me anything about Mary Hunter to help confirm that the above could be her family? James McKenzie and his children Janet, William, Mary, Agnes and Thomas all went to Canada/USA to live. Andrew McKenzie is not found on the 1851 Census in Dumfries. I know from his letter that he married Jane Small, and their children were named Andrew Alexander, James, Thomas & Catherine (they had 3 children that died prior to 1857). Is it possible to find this family on any Census? The letter was post marked from Annan, Scotland. Andrew said his wife Jane Small was from Hoddam. Again thank you to all that have helped out with pieces of information on this family. It all goes together to help fill in the massive jig saw puzzle that I have on this family. All the best to you all, Melissa in OZ..

Seeking Descendants of Robert Anderson and Marion Lorimer of Kirkconnel, Dumfries county, Scotland. Robert and Marion had two children, Sarah Anderson (1805-1872) and Robert Anderson ( -1870). Robert Anderson Jr. married Janet Lorimer, they had two daughters Mary and Marion. Would like to correspond with anyone researching this family. Margo Lurvey

I can't answer your question, Yvette, but think you are on the right track. If the brother-in-law only heard the name, with local pronunciation, he would have heard "MacSherra" or "MacJerra" which are quite close in sound, and probably put down what he thought it was, since spelling was still relatively chancy in those days. So it could well be MacJarrow or MacIorish or MacIarraigh, all of which are right close in sound. Good luck, Muff in Iceland On Saturday, November 27, 2004, at 08:00 PM, DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > From: "Yvette MUIR" <ymuir1706@rogers.com> > Date: Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:53:34 AM Atlantic/Reykjavik > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: MacSherrar, real name oran error > > > My ggrandfather, Andrew M. MUIR, born in Halifax, Nova Scotia 1832, > emigrated to Australia 1852/53, died there in 1871. The death > certificate > info given by a brother-in-law has the 2nd forename as "MacSherrar". > > Is "MacSherrar" a known Scottish name? Have not been able to find > it. We > feel that his name was more likely to have been "McJerrow", his > mother's > maiden name. The parents, Andrew & Jane, were from KKD & Ayrshire . > 2nd forenames given to siblings: McJarrow to one sister, Gordon, > maternal > grandmother's maiden name to both a brother & a sister. Also used were > Abercrombie & Fraser; have not as yet found a possible source for > those, > maybe names from the paternal side. > > Yvette, Canada > Muff Worden Ranargata 3 710 Seydisfjordur Iceland Phone: +354-472-1775 Mobile/Cell/GSM: +354-849-2744 Web: www.geocities.com/mworden.geo/

The son of one of my ancestors is named William Greig Black. His father was Eric Johnstone Black. Guess what. Eric Johnstone Black had married Annie Mclaughlin Grieg. Eric Johnstone Black happened to be the son of James Black and Janet Johnstone. It is a foregone conclusion that the middle name is either the mother's maiden name, or the first name of the mother's father. As in my own case my father's father was named Clayton Thomas Black. His mother's name was Elizabeth Wren, and her father was Thomas Wren. Follow the patterns, it does make things very easy for those in pursuit of this important piece of information. -----Original Message----- From: Muff Worden [mailto:muff@eldhorn.is] Sent: November 27, 2004 4:47 PM To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [D-G LIST] Re: MacSherrar ... I can't answer your question, Yvette, but think you are on the right track. If the brother-in-law only heard the name, with local pronunciation, he would have heard "MacSherra" or "MacJerra" which are quite close in sound, and probably put down what he thought it was, since spelling was still relatively chancy in those days. So it could well be MacJarrow or MacIorish or MacIarraigh, all of which are right close in sound. Good luck, Muff in Iceland On Saturday, November 27, 2004, at 08:00 PM, DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > From: "Yvette MUIR" <ymuir1706@rogers.com> > Date: Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:53:34 AM Atlantic/Reykjavik > To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: MacSherrar, real name oran error > > > My ggrandfather, Andrew M. MUIR, born in Halifax, Nova Scotia 1832, > emigrated to Australia 1852/53, died there in 1871. The death > certificate > info given by a brother-in-law has the 2nd forename as "MacSherrar". > > Is "MacSherrar" a known Scottish name? Have not been able to find > it. We > feel that his name was more likely to have been "McJerrow", his > mother's > maiden name. The parents, Andrew & Jane, were from KKD & Ayrshire . > 2nd forenames given to siblings: McJarrow to one sister, Gordon, > maternal > grandmother's maiden name to both a brother & a sister. Also used were > Abercrombie & Fraser; have not as yet found a possible source for > those, > maybe names from the paternal side. > > Yvette, Canada > Muff Worden Ranargata 3 710 Seydisfjordur Iceland Phone: +354-472-1775 Mobile/Cell/GSM: +354-849-2744 Web: www.geocities.com/mworden.geo/ ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== ********************************** YOU HAVE ENTERED A FLAME FREE ZONE **********************************

Hello I would like to introduce myself to the list. My name is Bruce Johnston and I am researching my ggggg and gggg grandparents. Robert Johnston(e), b. circa 1734 in Kirkmichael, Dumfries and his wife Janet Burnet, b. circa 1738 in Kirkmichael, Dumfries. Also, his son William Johnston, b. circa 1760 in Kirkmichael, Dumfries and his wife Jane Glendinning, b. circa 1762 in Hexham, Northumberland, England. Any information or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Bruce

Any lister interested in the historical emigration of Johnston/Johnstone from the Borders to Northern Ireland? Would like to learn more - when, who, why, etc. Les Hewett, Napier, NZ.

My ggrandfather, Andrew M. MUIR, born in Halifax, Nova Scotia 1832, emigrated to Australia 1852/53, died there in 1871. The death certificate info given by a brother-in-law has the 2nd forename as "MacSherrar". Is "MacSherrar" a known Scottish name? Have not been able to find it. We feel that his name was more likely to have been "McJerrow", his mother's maiden name. The parents, Andrew & Jane, were from KKD & Ayrshire . 2nd forenames given to siblings: McJarrow to one sister, Gordon, maternal grandmother's maiden name to both a brother & a sister. Also used were Abercrombie & Fraser; have not as yet found a possible source for those, maybe names from the paternal side. Yvette, Canada