Ian- Thanks for this- I don't think we're connected ?? but maybe HELEN HENDERSON was a dau. of either JOHN or WM HENDERSON...I've not been able to find them yet in Scotland. I'll file this for future reference. Thanks again. cheers Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: "carruthers - home" <home@zim.co.zw> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Murray of Closeburn/HENDERSON of Tynron > Hi Dutch > The only HENDERSON I have connected is as follows. > > John McCUBBIN Abt.1745-1805 x Margaret TAIT > Both Died Kirkbride Keir. > They had a child: > Andrew McCUBBIN 1776-1842 born & Died ,Keir Dumfries. > Andrew married twice, > > Hellen HENDERSON (sorry no other details) > & Agnes BLACK 1774-1816 Died ,Keir. > I have not children recorded from the union of Andrew & Hellen , > But several from Andrew & Agnes. > Rgds > Ian home@zim.co.zw > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<< snip >>>>>>>>>>>> > From: Dutch Thompson -Murray of Closeburn/HENDERSON of Tynron > > > Ian- > Just wondering if you've come across or are connected to HENDERSON from > Tynron- 2 bros JAMES & THOMAS emigrated to NS on brig "Diana" in 1819 or > 20 > , left behind at least 2 bros- DR WILLIAM HENDERSON, at one time RN > surgeon > (?), and JOHN HENDERSON, ships' chandler , at one time in Glasgow(?) > I have no other particulars on latter 2, and would like to find them so > I > can go back more generations in Scotland. > > cheers Thompson in PEI > > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > To reach every member of the list : > Send Email to ....... DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lei Zimmerman" <zbbess@earthlink.net> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] Murray of Murraywaithe Added info. > Hi all! > > Several list members were kind enough to let me know I had left out some > important items in my first message. I didn't provide ya'll with any > dates!! > Oopsss. > > To start over ..... I am looking for information on the Murray family of > Murraywaithe in Dumfries. I am a direct descendant of DR. John Murray, who > had a brother Dr. William Murray. Both would be in the 1700's. William > came > to Charleston, SC in 1749-1750. Both brothers seemm to have traveled > between > Charlestonn and Murraywaithe in Scotland. John married Lady Anne Mackinzie > at some point. This is all I know in details at the moment. Any help would > be appreciated > > Lei K. Zimmerman > South Carolina There were Murrays living at Murraythwaite until around the 1970s. I think Miss Murray was the last of the line. Rene Anderson -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 03/12/2004

Hi Dutch The only HENDERSON I have connected is as follows. John McCUBBIN Abt.1745-1805 x Margaret TAIT Both Died Kirkbride Keir. They had a child: Andrew McCUBBIN 1776-1842 born & Died ,Keir Dumfries. Andrew married twice, Hellen HENDERSON (sorry no other details) & Agnes BLACK 1774-1816 Died ,Keir. I have not children recorded from the union of Andrew & Hellen , But several from Andrew & Agnes. Rgds Ian home@zim.co.zw <<<<<<<<<<<< snip >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dutch Thompson -Murray of Closeburn/HENDERSON of Tynron Ian- Just wondering if you've come across or are connected to HENDERSON from Tynron- 2 bros JAMES & THOMAS emigrated to NS on brig "Diana" in 1819 or 20 , left behind at least 2 bros- DR WILLIAM HENDERSON, at one time RN surgeon (?), and JOHN HENDERSON, ships' chandler , at one time in Glasgow(?) I have no other particulars on latter 2, and would like to find them so I can go back more generations in Scotland. cheers Thompson in PEI

The National Archives of Scotland have published a letter and some history of Dr Murray. See http://www.tartanday.gov.uk/dumfries.html Rene Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lei Zimmerman" <zbbess@earthlink.net> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 8:54 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] Murray of Murraywaithe > Hi all!! > > I am new to list. This is my second try to reach list. I must have done > something wrong the first time. This would not be unusual for me! > Anyway....I will re-introduce myself a bit. I live in the Backcountry of > South Carolina. I am searching for any and all information on Dr. John and > William Murray of Murraywaithe in Dumfries. As far as I can figure out, I > am > a direct descendant of Dr. John Murray. My Granndmother and Great aunt > aare > Murray's from the Charleston, SC area. > Any information would be greatly appreciated > Thanks, > Lei K. Zimmerman > South Carolina > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > If your line involves the surname BRUCE why not join > CLAN-BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com and find out more. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 03/12/2004 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 03/12/2004

Hi Lei if you go to www.rootsweb.com and look for the Liverpool list you will see that a lady called Muriel Davidson has been looking for DAVIS relatives with a link to a Lady Jane Mackenzie. Also try googling for MACKENZIE and SEAFORTH as I think this family has trading links I suspect - just a guess - that you are both looking at a similar area of research ie Mackenzies with trade links out of Liverpool, and of course Scottish connections. The jump from Dumfries and Galloway to Liverpool is an easy one, thanks to the many ships that plied the route. Judy ---------- >From: "Lei Zimmerman" <zbbess@earthlink.net> >To: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [D-G LIST] Murray of Murraywaithe Added info. >Date: 07, Tue Dec, 2004, 3:11 pm > > Hi all! > > Several list members were kind enough to let me know I had left out some > important items in my first message. I didn't provide ya'll with any dates!! > Oopsss. > > To start over ..... I am looking for information on the Murray family of > Murraywaithe in Dumfries. I am a direct descendant of DR. John Murray, who > had a brother Dr. William Murray. Both would be in the 1700's. William came > to Charleston, SC in 1749-1750. Both brothers seemm to have traveled between > Charlestonn and Murraywaithe in Scotland. John married Lady Anne Mackinzie > at some point. This is all I know in details at the moment. Any help would > be appreciated > > Lei K. Zimmerman > South Carolina > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ********************************** > YOU HAVE ENTERED A FLAME FREE ZONE > ********************************** >

I wonder whether the Murray family, about whom a recent question was raised, are the Murrays of Murraythwaite - in Cummertrees parish. In other words, not "of Dumfries", but of Cummertrees, Dumfriesshire. The Murray enclosure in Repentance Tower burial ground in the parish, has for example In memory of William Murray Esq of Murraythwaite and Mrs Elizabeth Dalrymple his wife who survived him many years and died on 11 December 1779 aged 79 years (Memorials in Annandale, March 1964) At the time of the 1841 census John Dalrymple Murray, aged about 40, was in residence (Cummertrees No.6 district). Keith Scott

Hello All, A further question. I have a relative who was born at the above address on 29 December 1889. As the Valuation Rolls indicate that the family did not stay at this address very long, I'm wondering if there might have been a lying-in hospital - or something similar - there in the late 1880s and early 1890s. Does anyone have any ideas? Jenny Gibson, Toowoomba, Australia

My thanks to Drew, Ian Ritchie, Ian McClumpha, Jane, Eunice, and Betty for your responses to my questions about Greenbrae and mansions in Kelton parish. I think I have replied to everyone individually. If I have missed anyone, please take this as a personal thank you. Jenny Gibson, Toowoomba, Australia

Ian- Just wondering if you've come across or are connected to HENDERSON from Tynron- 2 bros JAMES & THOMAS emigrated to NS on brig "Diana" in 1819 or 20 , left behind at least 2 bros- DR WILLIAM HENDERSON, at one time RN surgeon (?), and JOHN HENDERSON, ships' chandler , at one time in Glasgow(?) I have no other particulars on latter 2, and would like to find them so I can go back more generations in Scotland. cheers Thompson in PEI ----- Original Message ----- From: "carruthers - home" <home@zim.co.zw> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:29 AM Subject: [D-G LIST] Murray of Closeburn > Will send you what I have ''off line'' on the MURRAY's from Closeburn & > Tynron areas > As it is in PDF format.Perhaps it will be of some help? > If anyone else needs it let me know on home@zim.co.zw > > rgds > Ian > <<<<<<<<<<< snip >>>>>>>>>>> > : Lei Zimmerman > Murray of Murraywaithe > > > Hi all!! > > I am new to list- I am searching for any and all information on Dr. John > and > William Murray of Murraywaithe in Dumfries. As far as I can figure out, I > am > a direct descendant of Dr. John Murray. My Granndmother and Great aunt > aare > Murray's from the Charleston, SC area. > Thanks, > Lei K. Zimmerman > > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************* > If you have any problems with this list or any of its members please > contact the listowner....Tom Welch....tomas@directcon.net > ******************************************************************** >

Hi all! Several list members were kind enough to let me know I had left out some important items in my first message. I didn't provide ya'll with any dates!! Oopsss. To start over ..... I am looking for information on the Murray family of Murraywaithe in Dumfries. I am a direct descendant of DR. John Murray, who had a brother Dr. William Murray. Both would be in the 1700's. William came to Charleston, SC in 1749-1750. Both brothers seemm to have traveled between Charlestonn and Murraywaithe in Scotland. John married Lady Anne Mackinzie at some point. This is all I know in details at the moment. Any help would be appreciated Lei K. Zimmerman South Carolina

Will send you what I have ''off line'' on the MURRAY's from Closeburn & Tynron areas As it is in PDF format.Perhaps it will be of some help? If anyone else needs it let me know on home@zim.co.zw rgds Ian <<<<<<<<<<< snip >>>>>>>>>>> : Lei Zimmerman Murray of Murraywaithe Hi all!! I am new to list- I am searching for any and all information on Dr. John and William Murray of Murraywaithe in Dumfries. As far as I can figure out, I am a direct descendant of Dr. John Murray. My Granndmother and Great aunt aare Murray's from the Charleston, SC area. Thanks, Lei K. Zimmerman

I am in Australia and have not had any trouble accessing the site. Perhaps I am just lucky. Regards Margaret Heywood Gold Coast Australia.

Hi all!! I am new to list. This is my second try to reach list. I must have done something wrong the first time. This would not be unusual for me! Anyway....I will re-introduce myself a bit. I live in the Backcountry of South Carolina. I am searching for any and all information on Dr. John and William Murray of Murraywaithe in Dumfries. As far as I can figure out, I am a direct descendant of Dr. John Murray. My Granndmother and Great aunt aare Murray's from the Charleston, SC area. Any information would be greatly appreciated Thanks, Lei K. Zimmerman South Carolina

It is 8.10 pm here in Dumfries. I tried the direct link to the 1851 Census search page a minute or so ago. It work perfectly and has done on a few occasions this afternoon. Are you using : _http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_search.asp_ (http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_search.asp) ????? Sandy

John, I would be most grateful if you could tell me if there are any DUNBAR's listed. Pat(rick) R. L. Dunbar RESEARCHING the DUNBAR name, ANYWHERE, ANY TIME Organiser, Dunbar Family Society (UK) Member - Guild of One-Name Studies, Aberdeen & N.E. Scotland FHS, Scottish Genealogy Society mailto:dunbar@one-name.org http://www.dunbarfamilysociety.org.uk (for family history information) http://www.debbiedunbar.net (for equestrian art) ______________________________

I think it would be much more effective if complaints (combined with the deserved praise of the site) were from people all over the world, rather than just a few locals. Let the Council know how important this site is and how much you all value it. Rene anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Didsbury" <pdconsarch@yahoo.co.uk> To: <DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: [D-G LIST] D & G site difficulties > Dear All > > At the risk of being tedious, please add me to the > company of those who have been experiencing > difficulties with this otherwise first-=class site. > It seems to have started about a month ago. The fact > that it's often 'down'in the evening, but available > again the next day (and that if it goes down on Friday > it stays down all weekend) leads one to suppose that > there's some problem which needs regular attention > from the Council's IT Team. I would imagine that > there are some 'local' listers who might be in a > better position to bring these problems to the > Council's attention than those of us who live in > Yorkshire or Florida! I must say, it was quite > disheartening a couple of weeks ago to come back from > Dumfries and find that I couldn't easily follow up > leads I'd found in the excellent Ewart Library. > > Best > > Peter > > ===== > Peter Didsbury Consultant Archaeologist (Ceramics) > > Reporting on Iron Age and Roman, and medieval to early modern pottery and > other ceramic items from northern and eastern England. > > Tel. (01482) 494711 or 217466. Mobile: 07812 470663. > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win £10k with Yahoo! > Mail to make your dream a reality. > Get Yahoo! Mail www.yahoo.co.uk/10k > > > ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************* > If you have any problems with this list or any of its members please > contact the listowner....Tom Welch....tomas@directcon.net > ******************************************************************** > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 03/12/2004 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 03/12/2004

Thanks to all who responded and confirmed that I was not the only one who had trouble reaching the site. The outages do seem to occur on weekends, and I have to also realize the time difference, so often it may be down at night in the U.K. If they are redesigning or updating the site, I suppose it is understandable. I check from time to time, and this morning (U.S. time) I was able to get through. Kathy Orlando, Florida

In a message dated 06/12/2004 10:26:12 GMT Standard Time, DFSGAL@aol.com writes: In a message dated 05/12/2004 21:35:13 GMT Standard Time, pdconsarch@yahoo.co.uk writes: I would imagine that there are some 'local' listers who might be in a better position to bring these problems to the Council's attention than those of us who live in Yorkshire or Florida! I live in Dumfries and have had no difficulty access the 1851 Census pages. I suggest Lister try the direct link to the Census pages _http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_search.asp_ (http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_search.asp) rather than use Links from parent pages of the Council site. I live in Carlisle and often have problems - but then I go in from the council site....just tried the above and it has worked straight away - so fingers crossed, that is the way to get onto the site. Lynne in Carlisle

In a message dated 05/12/2004 21:35:13 GMT Standard Time, pdconsarch@yahoo.co.uk writes: I would imagine that there are some 'local' listers who might be in a better position to bring these problems to the Council's attention than those of us who live in Yorkshire or Florida! I live in Dumfries and have had no difficulty access the 1851 Census pages. I suggest Lister try the direct link to the Census pages _http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_search.asp_ (http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_search.asp) rather than use Links from parent pages of the Council site. Also consider that access to any site will follow different routes depending on where you are in the world. Any one of these routes can develop a fault which is not related to the source source site. Sandy

I have a transcription of an old document of my GGGGgrandfather James Miller of Cambridge, Washington County, NY, saying that he was born in "Annandale, Scotland" in 1756. I believe that his father was a John Miller, and had an Uncle George Miller born in 1733. They immigrated about 1770 to upstate NY. I would be interested in any Millar or Miller family history from this area. Thanks, I appreciate any help. Mike