I'm confused Joe. The Shoup family is connected with my John Downing family. Are you suggesting it is connected to our Timothy Downing too? That would explain a couple things, like why both lines ended up in the same place. I have to check this out further. I think there is more Shoup information in a couple books I have. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com