In a message dated 98-08-18 17:33:23 EDT, audris@oberpfalznetz.de writes: << I sent TWO letters [once with an SASE] to Ross Downing in response to his ad in the Genealogical Helper. Neither time did he [or anyone else] respond. I got no help. I got no answer. He kept the data I sent right along with the SASE. >> Coleen, the last I heard -- about six or seven months ago -- Ross Downing was seriously ill. Perhaps that explains the lack of news from that group of late. When I joined that group over a year ago, he sent me his very thorough book on the Emmanuel Downing line (which isn't mine, sigh). The only flaw with this hefty volume is that it is NOT indexed. Ray Downing in Las Vegas