This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: richardbarbeau Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.downing/2242/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My wife is related to Emanuel Downing, husband of Lucy Winthrop. While researching, I came across a book entitled "Genealogy of the Downing family and immediate collateral relations" printed in Philadelphia by Press of the Dando Print and Pub. Co. 1901, 205 pgs. In it is an old chart of the Downing family to include ancestors and descendants of Emanuel showing lineage to King Henry III of England. Before everyone gets all excited. This book published in 1901 had only 50 copies printed. I guessing that the author, W.C. Downing may have drawn the chart himself and published what he thought to be legit. I found it through Heritage Quest, an online subscription service my local library pays for. Many libraries have this service. Search books using the Downing name. I started out to disprove the chart and so far have been unsuccessful. I have found a discrepancy concerning the father of Emanuel. The chart lists the name Calybut Downing, while traditionally his father has been declared to be a George Downing. There is information available to support either contention however both fathers lead back to King Henry through the same grandparents Sir Robert Wingfield and Elizabeth Gousell. Perhaps this is "old" legend already proved or disproved. Can anyone support or disprove the connection. I will list the names with HenryIII going backward below. HenryIII and his wife Eleanor de Berenger Edmund Crouchback and Blanche D'Artois Henry Earl of Lancaster and Maud Chaworth Eleanor of Lancaster and Richard Fitzalan Third Earl of Arundel Richard Fitzalan, fourth Earl of Arundel and Elizabeth, Countess of Arundel de Bohun Elizabeth Fitzalan and Sir Robert Gousell Elizabeth Gousell and Sir Robert Wingfield Sir Henry Wingfield and Elizabeth Rokes* Robert Wingfield and Margery Quarles* Robert Wingfield and Elizabeth Cecil* Elizabeth Wingfield and Calybut Downing* Emanuel Downing and Lucy Winthrop remove all four pairs of Emanuel's grandparents with the asterisk and add in order Sir John Wingfield and Elizabeth Fitzlewis (son of Sir Robert and Elizabeth Gousell) Sir John of Dunham Wingfield and Margaret Dorward Sir Thomas Wingfield and Elizabeth Woodhouse Elizabeth Wingfield and Geoffrey Downing George Downing and Dorcas Bellamy (parents to Emanuel) Replacing four sets of grand(parents) with five can be answered by generational longevity or possible error.. What I'm really asking for is help proving and disproving the lineage. Many of the ancestors listed are on Wikipedia and seem legit. I haven't included birth and death dates (no room). Please help. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

Dear Richard, I am also in the line from Emanuel Downing.The information that you set out is largely correct, to the best of my knowledge. Unfortunately I am currently away from my records, as I am working overseas from my home.  I am aware of the book to which you refer. I had a great aunt who spent some time independently verifying the information. I think that Sir Calybut Downing was certainly in the line.There are others also on this thread in the past knows a great deal about this. I will try to locate their contact details. The family had a number of links to the British royal families and some surprising more modern, but important families in the UK. It is to be remembered that the royals generally had many children and thus there are a very great number of people in and originally from Britain who can claim a link to royalty. Very best wishes Rowan Rowan M. Downing QC          ----- Original Message ----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com downing@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 25 Jun 2014 20:03:28 -0000 Subject:[DOWNING] Downing Link to Royalty This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: richardbarbeau Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.downing/2242/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My wife is related to Emanuel Downing, husband of Lucy Winthrop. While researching, I came across a book entitled "Genealogy of the Downing family and immediate collateral relations" printed in Philadelphia by Press of the Dando Print and Pub. Co. 1901, 205 pgs. In it is an old chart of the Downing family to include ancestors and descendants of Emanuel showing lineage to King Henry III of England. Before everyone gets all excited. This book published in 1901 had only 50 copies printed. I guessing that the author, W.C. Downing may have drawn the chart himself and published what he thought to be legit. I found it through Heritage Quest, an online subscription service my local library pays for. Many libraries have this service. Search books using the Downing name. I started out to disprove the chart and so far have been unsuccessful. I have found a discrepancy concerning the father of Emanuel. The chart lists the name Calybut Downing, while traditionally his father has been declared to be a George Downing. There is information available to support either contention however both fathers lead back to King Henry through the same grandparents Sir Robert Wingfield and Elizabeth Gousell. Perhaps this is "old" legend already proved or disproved. Can anyone support or disprove the connection. I will list the names with HenryIII going backward below. HenryIII and his wife Eleanor de Berenger Edmund Crouchback and Blanche D'Artois Henry Earl of Lancaster and Maud Chaworth Eleanor of Lancaster and Richard Fitzalan Third Earl of Arundel Richard Fitzalan, fourth Earl of Arundel and Elizabeth, Countess of Arundel de Bohun Elizabeth Fitzalan and Sir Robert Gousell Elizabeth Gousell and Sir Robert Wingfield Sir Henry Wingfield and Elizabeth Rokes* Robert Wingfield and Margery Quarles* Robert Wingfield and Elizabeth Cecil* Elizabeth Wingfield and Calybut Downing* Emanuel Downing and Lucy Winthrop remove all four pairs of Emanuel's grandparents with the asterisk and add in order Sir John Wingfield and Elizabeth Fitzlewis (son of Sir Robert and Elizabeth Gousell) Sir John of Dunham Wingfield and Margaret Dorward Sir Thomas Wingfield and Elizabeth Woodhouse Elizabeth Wingfield and Geoffrey Downing George Downing and Dorcas Bellamy (parents to Emanuel) Replacing four sets of grand(parents) with five can be answered by generational longevity or possible error.. What I'm really asking for is help proving and disproving the lineage. Many of the ancestors listed are on Wikipedia and seem legit. I haven't included birth and death dates (no room). Please help. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DOWNING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Richard, I am also in the line from Emanuel Downing.The information that you set out is largely correct, to the best of my knowledge. Unfortunately I am currently away from my records, as I am working overseas from my home.  I am aware of the book to which you refer. I had a great aunt who spent some time independently verifying the information. I think that Sir Calybut Downing was certainly in the line.There are others also on this thread in the past knows a great deal about this. I will try to locate their contact details. The family had a number of links to the British royal families and some surprising more modern, but important families in the UK. It is to be remembered that the royals generally had many children and thus there are a very great number of people in and originally from Britain who can claim a link to royalty. Very best wishes Rowan Rowan M. Downing QC          ----- Original Message ----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com downing@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 25 Jun 2014 20:03:28 -0000 Subject:[DOWNING] Downing Link to Royalty This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: richardbarbeau Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.downing/2242/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My wife is related to Emanuel Downing, husband of Lucy Winthrop. While researching, I came across a book entitled "Genealogy of the Downing family and immediate collateral relations" printed in Philadelphia by Press of the Dando Print and Pub. Co. 1901, 205 pgs. In it is an old chart of the Downing family to include ancestors and descendants of Emanuel showing lineage to King Henry III of England. Before everyone gets all excited. This book published in 1901 had only 50 copies printed. I guessing that the author, W.C. Downing may have drawn the chart himself and published what he thought to be legit. I found it through Heritage Quest, an online subscription service my local library pays for. Many libraries have this service. Search books using the Downing name. I started out to disprove the chart and so far have been unsuccessful. I have found a discrepancy concerning the father of Emanuel. The chart lists the name Calybut Downing, while traditionally his father has been declared to be a George Downing. There is information available to support either contention however both fathers lead back to King Henry through the same grandparents Sir Robert Wingfield and Elizabeth Gousell. Perhaps this is "old" legend already proved or disproved. Can anyone support or disprove the connection. I will list the names with HenryIII going backward below. HenryIII and his wife Eleanor de Berenger Edmund Crouchback and Blanche D'Artois Henry Earl of Lancaster and Maud Chaworth Eleanor of Lancaster and Richard Fitzalan Third Earl of Arundel Richard Fitzalan, fourth Earl of Arundel and Elizabeth, Countess of Arundel de Bohun Elizabeth Fitzalan and Sir Robert Gousell Elizabeth Gousell and Sir Robert Wingfield Sir Henry Wingfield and Elizabeth Rokes* Robert Wingfield and Margery Quarles* Robert Wingfield and Elizabeth Cecil* Elizabeth Wingfield and Calybut Downing* Emanuel Downing and Lucy Winthrop remove all four pairs of Emanuel's grandparents with the asterisk and add in order Sir John Wingfield and Elizabeth Fitzlewis (son of Sir Robert and Elizabeth Gousell) Sir John of Dunham Wingfield and Margaret Dorward Sir Thomas Wingfield and Elizabeth Woodhouse Elizabeth Wingfield and Geoffrey Downing George Downing and Dorcas Bellamy (parents to Emanuel) Replacing four sets of grand(parents) with five can be answered by generational longevity or possible error.. What I'm really asking for is help proving and disproving the lineage. Many of the ancestors listed are on Wikipedia and seem legit. I haven't included birth and death dates (no room). Please help. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DOWNING-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message