> >The original message was received at Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:34:01 -0700 >from moro1-8.transport.com [206.251.78.39] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ><DOWNING-L--request@rootsweb.com> > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >... while talking to rootsweb.com.: >>>> RCPT To:<DOWNING-L--request@rootsweb.com> ><<< 550 <DOWNING-L--request@rootsweb.com>... User unknown >550 <DOWNING-L--request@rootsweb.com>... User unknown >Reporting-MTA: dns; butch.transport.com >Received-From-MTA: DNS; moro1-8.transport.com >Arrival-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:34:01 -0700 > >Final-Recipient: RFC822; DOWNING-L--request@rootsweb.com >Action: failed >Status: 5.1.1 >Remote-MTA: DNS; rootsweb.com >Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <DOWNING-L--request@rootsweb.com>... User unknown >Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:34:05 -0700 >Return-Path: <sherryk@TRANSPORT.COM> >Received: from sherryk.transport.com (moro1-8.transport.com [206.251.78.39]) > by butch.transport.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA31891 > for <DOWNING-L--request@rootsweb.com>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:34:01 -0700 >Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:34:01 -0700 >Message-Id: <199809171834.LAA31891@butch.transport.com> >X-Sender: sherryk@mail.TRANSPORT.COM >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >To: DOWNING-L--request@rootsweb.com >From: sherryk@TRANSPORT.COM (Sherry Kaseberg) >Subject: Downing references > >The Virginia Gazette...founded by William Parks, August 6, 1736 Williamsburg >VA edited and published by Dorothy Ford Wulfeck 1965: 1960 Genealogy: page >100-101 has a piece on Downings with reference to a book or paper, "Emanuel >Downing" by Frederick John Simmons, Montclair NJ pub 1958 paper bound about >100 pages..full title "A Narrative Outline for a Biography of Emanuel >Downing 1581-1660 of the Inner Temple, Lawyer, Dublin, Ireland, London, >England, Salem, Mass. and Edinburgh, Scotland; Member Massachusetts Bay >Company, London, England; Advisor to Gov. John Winthrop, and Defender of the >Charter of the Massachusetts Bay Colony" Simmons was on the faculty of >Keene Teachers College and had a Masters in Education degree from Harvard. >This publication has a chart of the descendants 15 generations from Adam >Winthrop and wife Joane. > >Same publication, only for 1959: An Index of Marriages in Lincoln Co VA, >later KY, before 1785 with description of the land and boundaries: John >Downing m Jane Thompson 1783. > > > >

If you get the newsletter from Ancestry.com you won't need to read further. If not, here is some useful information on available land records. >From Ancestry Daily News for September 17, 1998: ======================================================= GUIDE TO U.S. FEDERAL RECORD REQUESTS - PART 4 <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> ======================================================= LAND ENTRY FILES - NATF FORM 84 ================================ Information Contained: (Extracted from "The Source: A Guidebook of American Genealogy," Revised, edited by Loretto D. Szucs and Sandra Hargreaves Luebking) Homestead case files are richer in genealogical information than the cash, credit, and bounty-warrant files. A homestead final certificate file usually includes: ~ The homestead application ~ Certificate of publication of intention to complete the claim ~ Final proof of homesteading (testimony from the claimant and his or her witnesses) ~ Final document authorizing issuance of a patent. ~ A certified copy of the naturalization papers, if needed for the application, may be present. The final proof documents give: ~ The claimant's name ~ Age ~ Post office address ~ Describe the tract and the house ~ Date the establishment of residence ~ Give the number and relationship of the members of the family, and note citizenship ~ Crops ~ Acres under cultivation ~ Testimony of witnesses. The granting of military bounty land in the United States to encourage enlistments or reward previous service began in colonial times, but its legislative heyday was from 1788 to 1855, though claims were still being received by the federal government in the 1960s. Genealogists find bounty-land records especially attractive because they serve the dual role of locating persons in time and place and of proving military service. Applications sometimes contain a wealth of information, especially when heirs claimed lands. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Request NATF Form 84 To request Form 84 (limit 6 per order), write to: National Archives and Records Administration Attn: NWCTB 700 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20408-0001 Or Email: inquire@nara.gov ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Information required to request General Land Entry Files: For the following states, indexes exist: Alabama Alaska Arizona Florida Louisiana Nevada Utah (before 1908) Information required: ~ Name of land entryman (settler, patentee, etc.) ~ State in which the land was located ~ Approximate date of entry Additional information may be helpful, particularly with common names. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For the following states, there are no indexes available: California Colorado Idaho Iowa Kansas Montana Nebraska New Mexico North Dakota Oklahoma Oregon South Dakota Washington Wyoming (before 1908) Information required: ~ Name of land entryman (settler, patentee, etc.) ~ State in which the land was located ~ Approximate date of entry ~ Legal description of the land OR the type of file, the name of the land office that issued the file, and the land entry file number. This information can usually be obtained from the county recorder of deeds where the land was located. Ancestry.com subscribers can search Denver Land Office Records, 1862-1908: http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3313.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name indexes also do not exist for the following states: Arkansas Illinois Indiana Iowa Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Ohio Wisconsin (before 1908) Information required: ~ Name of land entryman (settler, patentee, etc.) ~ State in which the land was located ~ Approximate date of entry ~ Legal description of the land OR the type of file, the name of the land office that issued the file, and the land entry file number. For these states, this information can be obtained from: GLO Records Access Staff Bureau of Land Management Eastern States 7450 Boston Boulevard Springfield, Virginia 22153-3121 Tel: 703-440-1600 Fax: 703-440-1609 Email: records@es.blm.gov http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ (At this web site, you can search and view original documents for the states of Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, Wisconsin, that will provide the additional information that is needed to complete NATF Form 84. pre-1908 records for Illinois, are scheduled for release in December 1998 and Iowa is scheduled for early 2003. Illinois Public Domain Land Tract Sales are searchable online at the Illinois State Archives web site at: http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/data_lan.html ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Information required for Military Bounty Land Warrants: These files are arranged by the year of the Act of Congress which authorized the warrants, certificate number, and for warrants under the acts of 1847-1855 , by the number of acres granted. If you have this information, enter it in blocks 11-13. There are name indexes for the Revolutionary War and most of the War of 1812 warrants, but not for the warrants under the acts of 1847-1855. For those files you must obtain the file citation from the pension and bounty land warrant application files, by using NATF Form 80. (For more information on Form 80, see the September 15 Daily News' Research Guide to Military records at: http://www.ancestry.com/research/military80.htm Send completed NATF Form 84 to: Textual Reference Branch-Land (NWDT1) National Archives and Records Administration 7th and Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20408 (Do not include payment with the form, you will be billed for the copies. Credit card orders will mailed immediately. Credit cards accepted include MasterCard, VISA, American Express, and NOVUS cards -Discover, Bravo, Private Issue.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This page will be available online at: http://www.ancestry.com/research/land84.htm Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com

This is what I have found so far: William Downing immigrated to Virginia from Bristol, England in 1651 to Northumberland County. Ships records in Bristol were destroyed in a riot in 1839. Captian William Downing is mentioned in the Northumberland Co Records on Jan 20 1655 when John Edwards assigned his interest in a patent for land to said Downing. On Jan 27 1668 " Willaim Downing of Great Wicocomoco River ,planter," deeded property to his children as follows: To his eldest son, William and to his son John 600 acres of land up the north side of horse-path and bounding east upon Wm.Widly and west upon Richard Nelms. Two Cows to( Name indecipherable), to his daughter Mary Downing, one cow. Witness William Jones. About this time Capt William Downing married Margret ?? June 7 1669. The court ordered that provisions for all Wicimico Parish levied for the Potomac Fort be delivered at the house of Capt William Downing Sr. On the same Day Capt Downing was sworn as Justice of the Court. This office he held until his time of death in 1683. Capt Downings will was dated Feb 9 1682 and was probated by Mrs Margret Downing his executrix, in Sept or Oct 1683 but was burned in 1710. His Children were William,Thomas,Mary,a daughter? and by his second marriage Charles. Mrs Margret Downing widow of Capt Downing married second Mr Edward Typton and had a son Joesph Typton.

Halbert's, the highly questionable 'genealogical' publishing company out of Bath, OH, has a new one. Using the name 'U.S. Information Bureau' and a Washington, DC, address they are promoting a new 'book' with all the Civil War veterans with YOUR surname. In the past the 'books' have been copies of names from phone books. Since this is not possible in the case of Civil War veterans I'm not sure how they are working it but it likely this is yet another questionable 'book.' Various national genealogical societies are warning their members. A word to the wise... Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com

>>At 01:44 PM 9/16/98 EDT, you wrote: >>>Anyone tracing a Capt. William Downing of Northumberland Co Va 1600-1700? >>> >>> >>>==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >>>Do you know of Downing web pages? Post the URL here. >>> >>> I'm interested in this Wm. Downing. Can you give a little more info >>about him, such as his ch? >> >>Marlene >> >>Marlene DiGiovanni >>MarleneDiGi@prodigy.net >> >> >>==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >>What Downing resources do you own? Tell us. >> > >Francis Downing: DAR #64696 under the name of his great granddaughter >Estelle Purciple: died 20 April 1777, Rev War under Capt Levin Jones, 9th >Virginia Regiment...Rolls of 1776. My notes say this is on page 397 Gregath. > >John Gwathmey's Virginians in the Rev War: >Arthur Downing Accomac - Northampton 1777, recommended capt 1783 >Francis Downing 9th Continental Line >Francis Downing awarded bounty land >Henry Downing ensign, in a state regiment, 1781-1782 >James Downing 1st Lt. Montgomery Co militia, took oath 1778 >Capt James Downing commanded a company of Lincoln Co militia, Clark's Reg in >Ill. >James Downing paid as a spy December 19 1778 >John Downing 14th Continental Line >John Downing Jr. 2nd Lt Northumberland Co militia 1781 >Robert Downing served at Fort Pitt >Thomas Downing capt Northumberland Co militia 1777 >Timothy Downing served at Fort Pitt >William Downing captain 1776 MSS; Northumberland Co oath 1777 >William Downing ensign Northumberland Co. > >Ohio Co VA Oaths, Taxables, Military Lists and Fines 1771-1779, now part of >Washington Co PA: >James Downing oath 1777-1778 >John Downing >Timothy Downing > all three above on Military List age 16-50, District #1. > >Unknown Source: >Grace Ball Downing, daughter of Francis, born 26 September 1756, St >Stephen's Parish, Northumberland Co VA. > >"Sir George Downing, Ambassador and Master Spy, Nine Young Men of Hope, >Harvard: 1642, and Family Descendants" by Ross Downing 1989 2400 Pleasant >Grove, Lansing MI 48910: >p 181: This Downing line is from Major John Downing and his wife Hannah >Fawley, submitted by Debbie Johnson Ferguson [P.O Box 850701 Yukon OK >73085-1701] and her father who came from Grand Rapids Michigan; Capt William >Downing, son of???, born 1616 Northumberland Co VA; had a son John B born >1638 and John B had son John born 1667 who had a son Major John Downing b >1692; Major John Downing married Hannah Fawley and their children were >George , John, William, Charles, Elizabeth, Hannah, Edward, Sarah and >Nannie. Nannie married1 Mr. Pettit, m2 McSwan, m3 Crittenden. > >Sherry's Downing Notebooks > > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== > >

The rootsweb archives for mailing lists is at http://searches.rootsweb.com At the moment you are only able to search through 1997 but [soon I hope] you will be able to search the mailing lists right up to the moment. So, if you have missed a message take heart. You will be able to find it. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com

That's not on page 397 of my [1976] Gregath book. It may in the second printing which I have not seen. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com

>At 01:44 PM 9/16/98 EDT, you wrote: >>Anyone tracing a Capt. William Downing of Northumberland Co Va 1600-1700? >> >> >>==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >>Do you know of Downing web pages? Post the URL here. >> >> I'm interested in this Wm. Downing. Can you give a little more info >about him, such as his ch? > >Marlene > >Marlene DiGiovanni >MarleneDiGi@prodigy.net > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >What Downing resources do you own? Tell us. > Francis Downing: DAR #64696 under the name of his great granddaughter Estelle Purciple: died 20 April 1777, Rev War under Capt Levin Jones, 9th Virginia Regiment...Rolls of 1776. My notes say this is on page 397 Gregath. John Gwathmey's Virginians in the Rev War: Arthur Downing Accomac - Northampton 1777, recommended capt 1783 Francis Downing 9th Continental Line Francis Downing awarded bounty land Henry Downing ensign, in a state regiment, 1781-1782 James Downing 1st Lt. Montgomery Co militia, took oath 1778 Capt James Downing commanded a company of Lincoln Co militia, Clark's Reg in Ill. James Downing paid as a spy December 19 1778 John Downing 14th Continental Line John Downing Jr. 2nd Lt Northumberland Co militia 1781 Robert Downing served at Fort Pitt Thomas Downing capt Northumberland Co militia 1777 Timothy Downing served at Fort Pitt William Downing captain 1776 MSS; Northumberland Co oath 1777 William Downing ensign Northumberland Co. Ohio Co VA Oaths, Taxables, Military Lists and Fines 1771-1779, now part of Washington Co PA: James Downing oath 1777-1778 John Downing Timothy Downing all three above on Military List age 16-50, District #1. Unknown Source: Grace Ball Downing, daughter of Francis, born 26 September 1756, St Stephen's Parish, Northumberland Co VA. "Sir George Downing, Ambassador and Master Spy, Nine Young Men of Hope, Harvard: 1642, and Family Descendants" by Ross Downing 1989 2400 Pleasant Grove, Lansing MI 48910: p 181: This Downing line is from Major John Downing and his wife Hannah Fawley, submitted by Debbie Johnson Ferguson [P.O Box 850701 Yukon OK 73085-1701] and her father who came from Grand Rapids Michigan; Capt William Downing, son of???, born 1616 Northumberland Co VA; had a son John B born 1638 and John B had son John born 1667 who had a son Major John Downing b 1692; Major John Downing married Hannah Fawley and their children were George , John, William, Charles, Elizabeth, Hannah, Edward, Sarah and Nannie. Nannie married1 Mr. Pettit, m2 McSwan, m3 Crittenden. Sherry's Downing Notebooks

Oops! Lack of careful proofreading I wrote that William Downing, brother of Samuel, was born about 1772. Sorry! That was the approximate birth date of their father who was also named William Downing. The younger William was born in 1777 according to the date given at his death. Bob

Friends and Cousins, For months I've been eavesdropping on the Downing group, hoping to find someone researching my own brand of Downings. Finally I read something by "joe" and a response by "Sherry" on Samuel Downing, born in Lancaster County about 1784, married in Ohio CO., WV, and ending up in Ohio. I'd descended from his younger brother William (son of William). William was also born in Lancaster CO., PA (about 1752) and moved with his family to Ohio CO., WV where his father, William, purchased land on Glenn's Run just a few miles north of the city of Wheeling on April 5, 1803. Old William died there in 1813 (I noticed your notes said 1812) and left a most interesting will which ran to several pages instructing his family on matters mundane, moral, and monetary. His wife, Mary, and another son, Alexander, had preceded him in death and were buried on the property which he calls a "plantation" in his will. He and his wife raised 13 children. On November 30, 1809, William, the son, married Elizabeth Milligan, daughter of John and Sarah Robinson Milligan-formerly of Berkeley CO., VA. William and Elizabeth moved across the Ohio River to Belmont CO., OH, where they raised a family of two boys and five girls. One of the girls, Mary Elizabeth, eloped with a Baptist preacher named John Davis and were married in Wheeling. She was my grandmother's grandmother. "Sherry" mentioned the 1820 law suit between William Stringer and the brothers, William, Robert, and John Downing. I'd love to know what that was about. Stringer was a brother-in-law, having married their sister Jennet. William eventually drifted west. He and his wife spent several years with his daughter, Hannah, in Lafayette, IN, where William died and is buried. His widow, Elizabeth, moved on to Chicago but I lost track of her there. Here's the bottom line: I'd love to be in contact with anyone researching this family. I'd like to identify the connection of this family with other Downings in Lancaster CO., PA. I'd like to know more of William's parents-in-law, John and Sarah Robinson Milligan. I have a transcript of John Milligan's testimony as to his Revolutionary War service, but I know next to nothing about his wife. Any Downing-rooters out there researching this connection? Bob

Thank-you for the Capt. William Downing family information.

At 06:36 PM 9/16/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Anyone tracing a Capt. William Downing of Northumberland Co Va 1600-1700? >> >> >>==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >>Do you know of Downing web pages? Post the URL here. >> >Re: Captain William Downing of Northumberland Co VA: >Try The Downings of Fairfields, Northumberland, VA by Mrs. O.A. Keach of >Wichita, Kansas; William and Mary College Quarterly Vol 25 p 41, also vols >9, 17 & 24; >Genealogies of Virginia Families vol 1 and 4; Northumberland Co VA deeds, 1668. > >It appears that these are the children of Capt. William Downing, but I am >not clear which are from which marriage: William Jr. who married Mary >Nichols, John B. who died 1698, Thomas, George/ not married; Charles/ not >married, Mary who married Jonathan Royston, and Patience Downing. > > >The Downing Family Historical organization in 1991 noted: "Captain William >Downing, son of Sir George Downing and Frances Howard, came to America in >1651 and settled in Northumberland Co., VA. He, with two wives named >Margaret, had children:..." William Jr., John born England d 1868, Thomas, >Mary, Ptience, George and Charles..."This John Downing is the one who was >the progenitor of all the Downings of America of this line. His children >included..."Samuel, Sarah, Ann and John..." This from Terry Alan Downing, >3700 E. Alameda, Suite 310, Denver CO 80209. > >1784 Northumberland Co VA: >Downing,John 5 > Sarah 6 > Charles 2 > Thomas 9 > John 6. >1782 Northumberland Co VA: >Downing,John 3-8 > Charles 2-6 > Eliza.. 1-9 > Betty 1-2 > William 5-40 > John 8-20 > Thomas 8-53. > >Early Virginia Immigrants 1623-1666 by George Cabell Greer, Gen Pub Co. 1978: >William Downing 1651 brought over by William Vincent, Northumberland Co. Va >and six other Downings. > >For Downing descendants of Sir George Downing, contact Ross William Downing, >2400 Pleasant Grove, Lansing, Michigan 48910 for his 1989 book. > > > >Happy hunting! Sherry > > > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >What Downing resources do you own? Tell us. > Thanks - I will keep this info in case it turns out I can link my Joseph Downing b 1748 to this early VA line. Marlene Marlene DiGiovanni MarleneDiGi@prodigy.net

At 01:44 PM 9/16/98 EDT, you wrote: >Anyone tracing a Capt. William Downing of Northumberland Co Va 1600-1700? > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >Do you know of Downing web pages? Post the URL here. > > I'm interested in this Wm. Downing. Can you give a little more info about him, such as his ch? Marlene Marlene DiGiovanni MarleneDiGi@prodigy.net

>hey, just found a family sheet for the Samuel Downing family born 1785 >Lancaster Co,Pa and died 7 Oct 1823 in Deleware Co,OH, he married Elizabeth >Giffen. They had several children born in Ohio Co,WVA or Deleware Co,OH but >none married a Hakes. However I would assume that any Downing in that county >during that time frame was connected to this family. >Samuel was son of Wm Downing and Mary, and had numerous siblings several of >which wound up in Ohio and IN. >joe > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== > > NE Ohio stuff: [part of the Samuel Downing-Elizabeth Giffen line] Belmont Co OH Court Journals: April 1818 Robert Downing petitioned for tavern license. Son of William who d 1812. Andrew Downing b. Lancaster Co PA ca 1793, d 1829 Jefferson Co Warren TP OH, married Sarah Hope Belmont Co OH 1812 1820 Belmont Co OH census: Robert Downing family William Downing. 1820 Common Please, Belmont Co OH: William Stringer Jr. vs William, Robert and John Downing, for $150. Some other references for this line: 1810 Ohio CO VA census 1820 & 1830 OH census History of Delaware Co OH, p 771-772, Troy Township. Belmont Co OH marriages Ross Downing's book page 147. Samuel and Elizabeth Giffen Downing left Lancaster Co PA for Ohio Co VA ca. 1808 six miles E of Wheeling, then Belmont Co OH, then Delaware Co OH in 1816. They are buried in Radnor Cemetery in Delaware Co OH. Sherry

>Sherry, > I should get my thoughts altogether, but it is a hectic morning here; >what is DAR? How do I get to the DAR Patricotic Index? >Suehodnett@aol.com > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >Do you know of Downing web pages? Post the URL here. > Sue, DAR is Daughters of the American Revolution. You should ask your library if they can get the Patriotic index[es] or contact this organization near you...they are organized in chapters. Sherry

>Sherry, > I don't know what that means either: came to America on the RETURN. I >just assumed that the date he returned to England was 1624; but it is worded >strangely. Sue > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >What Downing resources do you own? Tell us. > Sue, it means that the ship was named RETURN or THE RETURN. SHerry

>Anyone tracing a Capt. William Downing of Northumberland Co Va 1600-1700? > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >Do you know of Downing web pages? Post the URL here. > Re: Captain William Downing of Northumberland Co VA: Try The Downings of Fairfields, Northumberland, VA by Mrs. O.A. Keach of Wichita, Kansas; William and Mary College Quarterly Vol 25 p 41, also vols 9, 17 & 24; Genealogies of Virginia Families vol 1 and 4; Northumberland Co VA deeds, 1668. It appears that these are the children of Capt. William Downing, but I am not clear which are from which marriage: William Jr. who married Mary Nichols, John B. who died 1698, Thomas, George/ not married; Charles/ not married, Mary who married Jonathan Royston, and Patience Downing. The Downing Family Historical organization in 1991 noted: "Captain William Downing, son of Sir George Downing and Frances Howard, came to America in 1651 and settled in Northumberland Co., VA. He, with two wives named Margaret, had children:..." William Jr., John born England d 1868, Thomas, Mary, Ptience, George and Charles..."This John Downing is the one who was the progenitor of all the Downings of America of this line. His children included..."Samuel, Sarah, Ann and John..." This from Terry Alan Downing, 3700 E. Alameda, Suite 310, Denver CO 80209. 1784 Northumberland Co VA: Downing,John 5 Sarah 6 Charles 2 Thomas 9 John 6. 1782 Northumberland Co VA: Downing,John 3-8 Charles 2-6 Eliza.. 1-9 Betty 1-2 William 5-40 John 8-20 Thomas 8-53. Early Virginia Immigrants 1623-1666 by George Cabell Greer, Gen Pub Co. 1978: William Downing 1651 brought over by William Vincent, Northumberland Co. Va and six other Downings. For Downing descendants of Sir George Downing, contact Ross William Downing, 2400 Pleasant Grove, Lansing, Michigan 48910 for his 1989 book. Happy hunting! Sherry

hey, just found a family sheet for the Samuel Downing family born 1785 Lancaster Co,Pa and died 7 Oct 1823 in Deleware Co,OH, he married Elizabeth Giffen. They had several children born in Ohio Co,WVA or Deleware Co,OH but none married a Hakes. However I would assume that any Downing in that county during that time frame was connected to this family. Samuel was son of Wm Downing and Mary, and had numerous siblings several of which wound up in Ohio and IN. joe

i am going to have to plead ignorance on this one. most of my ohio research has been in the southern cos. and mercer co, joe >This is in reference to the Ohio Downings, specifically the ones in Delaware >Co. Oh. Joe Downing would probably have more info on this line and I hope he >will answer it. I am a descendent of Felty Wheeler and Mary Ann Hakes. >Mary's son Madison had a son named Joseph who married a Dora >(Spech) Richmond. Dora's mother was a Downing, and originated from the Md >line..This verified by Downing Newsletter. In checking the web, I have found >in the Downing Forum, a reference to another Hakes who married into the same >Downing line. EXCEPT, this Hakes line was from James Loyal Hakes. >My Hakes line originated from John and Desire (Downing) Hakes. Joe, are both >these lines connected? Desire's father was Henry and Ann (Hakes) Downing. >This line has often intrigued me, and I would love to have a definite answer. > >Esther > > > > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >Do you know of Downing web pages? Post the URL here. > >

I assume you all have read "Genealogies of Ky Families" which has an article on the Downing family of England, Maryland, & Fayette Co,KY which is the Francis Downing family. joe Sherry, > I believe it is true that a Francis Downing came over here about 1624. >His father is a John Downing, who died in 1623. Somewhere I saw a copy of >this man's will: it mentions a Francis, Richard, and an Abigail. I suspect >after his father died, and the estate was settled, then this Francis took off >for America, and then returned to England. My idea only, but I have nothing >better to offer; this Francis, of course, cannot be the one said to be born in >1736; unless there was a bad mixup in the dates, and surely someone would >have caught that and corrected it by now. But at the time I saw a copy of >the early Francis' father's will, I was new to this and didn't copy down the >source. Should you come across anything more on this subject, I sure wish >you'd let me know it, too. Suehodnett@aol.com > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >What Downing resources do you own? Tell us. > >