More sources from Sherry: Federal Land Series, Vol 4, Part 1, Grants in the Virginia Military District of Ohio by Clifford Neal Smith, American Library Association, Chicago, 1982: S-2680 955a B:21 X-0340 [Darby Creek] MADI:JEFF mentions, among others, Francis Downing and S. Downing. Robert Fetters' line: Francis Woodward Downing, War of 1812, Ohio; b 1783 prob Monongalia County, VA; d 1855 Jordan, Jasper County, IN; widow Elizabeth Foster 1783-1870. National Archives Veteran's records. >From files of Adams Co OH Gen Society, July 1996 by Robert Fetters: notes on the Joseph and Jemima [Woodward] Downing family of Maryland and Madison County, OH. Joseph Downing b 1748; m Jemima Woodward ca 1771 and they had children: 1 William who m Susannah and died in Adams Co OH 2 Letitia b 177e Rock Creek, Prince George Co MD 3 Mescheck b 1774 homestead near Bruceton Mills, W.VA, m Sarah Downing 1799 Ross Co OH 4 Winifred b Monongalia Co VA, d 1841 Pike Co OH, m George Downing, his 2nd wife, 1805 5 John b 1780 VA m Nancy Daugherty 1811 6 Joseph b Monongalia Co VA 1782, d ca 1842 Madison Co OH, m Mary "POlly" Bell 1811 7 Francis Woodward b 1783 Monongalia Co VA, d 1855 Jasper Co IN, m Elizabeth Howe Foster in Ross Co OH 8 Jemima b 1789 m Henderson Crabbe 1809 Ross Co OH, he a minister Amity Methodist Church 9 Martha b 1792 m John Lawrence 1812 Ross Co OH 10 Simeon or Simon d 1836 Madison Co OH, m1 Rachel Highland 1816 OH, m2 Rachel Foster 1825 OH 11 Timothy b 1798 , d 1836 Madison Co OH, m Elizabeth Hayden who m2 __ Rathbun. This family is well documented by Robert Fetters from Joseph Downing forward. Joseph and Jemima Downing are among those counted for the 1776 census of Prince George co MD. This Downing family was in the Madison and Ross Counties OH concurrently with other Downings whose relationship is complicated. Mescheck Downing's wife, Sarah Downing, was the daughter[? of Timothy and Sarah Chenoweth Downing.] Sarah Downing was born ca 1775, died Waverly, Pike Co OH, buried Evergreen Union Cemetery there. Winifred Downing was the 2nd wife of George Downing Sr., he the son of Timothy Downing and ________? Francis Woodward Downing was called Frank and his name comes from the Woodward side of the house.

How far are you from Burr Oak, Jewell County, KS? One of the line of my Downings died there in 1909. I don't know what cemetery, though. Have you talked to Joe Downing about the Downings you are interested in? He had done a lot of research on the Timothy Downing line. Suehodnett@aol.com

It'll be in the mail Monday morning, Sue. Enjoy. Ray

>Sherry Kaseburg wrote, "Somewhere out there is Downings, Pennsylvania >Quakers, by Helen F. Snow, a 17 page mimeographed typescript, Madison CT >1961." > >I have this document. Mary Lou Cole mlc@tlexpress.com > > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== > > Thank you for responding, Mary Lou Cole! Someone will appreciate this! Sometime. Sherry

>Sherry, > Thanks again; how long have you been a Downing researcher? I have seen >several of the items you have listed, but some I have not; do you thin there >could be two Francis Downings, born abt 10 years apart? i have seen dates for >birth of Francis Downing at 1726/1736/1746. The Francis of 1726/1736 married >Susannah......(Wells?) and the Francis of 1746 married Henritta Viley, the >Francis that was a war vet. Most researchers say they are the same; I don't >know about that. Then that early Francis Downing , in this country in >1624--do you suppose he would hook up to the William Downing of the early >1600's in VA.? There is no record that this Francis went back to England. >Sue > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >Space for this list is provided by Rootsweb.com, working to keep online genealogy free for everyone. > Well, Sue, if I have learned anything in 40 years of genealogical experience, it is that one assumes nothing, nothing, nothing. One leaves all options open until proof looks you in the face! This is why I decided to go through all my files and send you all the sources I could...you can follow up on what you wish. I think the Nat Gen Soc publication printed records of English born Americans and records of them from English sources. You might want to see about that. Happy hunting! That's the fun of it. Sherry

i don't think you will find him in this country. when asking a question, it is nice to show what you have so people don't spend a lot of time duplicating it, joe >Sherry, > Thank you; I have all that you sent me. I need an earlier Francis, who >might be the father of the one we're reading about it here. I gather the >father of Francis Downing born 1736 is also a Francis. He must have been born >about 1700, give or take a few years. Also, Francis of 1736 married a Susannah >Wells first, Henrietta Viley second, or so many researchers say. > >Sue > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== > > >

Ray, I'd be proud to have a copy of it. My snail mail address: Sue Hodnett, 2805 Gold Harbor Drive, Caldwell, Idaho, 83605. And thank you very much! Sue

In a message dated 98-10-10 13:39:36 EDT, you write: << wonder if he is connected to those MASONS. Mind if I forward your note to him? Sue >> Not at all; please do, Sue. The LEWIS line ties in to the marriage of Morgan Lewis (1814-1894) to Mary Ann Downing, dau of Joseph Downing and Elizabeth Biedler. They had eight little Lewises. Joseph Downing died age 37, leaving Elizabeth Biedler with five children and one in the oven. Elizabeth later married Benjamin Riter, and had five children by him. They became mormons, ended up in Salt Lake City, and have many descendants in Utah today. The only Downing child of Elizabeth to break away from the LDS early (or not even get involved) was John B. Downing, my gggrandfather, who ended up in Kansas. On the document we're talking about, it states the whereabouts of John B. Downing is unknown....no doubt because he appears to have broken away from the family (but I found him okay!!!) The MASON line goes to Benjamin Mason, who married Mary COUCH. Their dau Thomazin Mason m. William S. Downing, who had a dau Mary Couch Downing..... who married John B Downing (the same as discussed above!). They were first cousins. And six weeks after their marriage, my gt grandfather, Benjamin, was born, Must have been the scandal of Chester county! Maybe that's why they broke away from the family <g>. Would you like a copy of Snow's "The Downings, Pennsylvania Quakers"? I can xerox a copy monday and snail mail it to you. Ray

Yes, it sounds very interesting. Do you know what LEWIS is connected to those DOWNINGS: and I have a Terrence MASON corresponding with me on our DOWNING line; I wonder if he is connected to those MASONS. Mind if I forward your note to him? Sue

Sherry Kaseburg wrote, "Somewhere out there is Downings, Pennsylvania Quakers, by Helen F. Snow, a 17 page mimeographed typescript, Madison CT 1961." I have this document. Mary Lou Cole mlc@tlexpress.com

In a message dated 98-10-10 12:48:00 EDT, you write: << It's me again. Does that 17 page document go back to the 1600's by any chance? If it does, does it mention a Francis Downing in this country, (prob. VA) in 1624? >> No, it doesn't, Sue. It goes back to the immigrant Thomas Downing, born in Bradninch, Devon, England in 1691, immigrated to Chester county, PA, about 1717, and about 1735 settled on the Brandywine River where the town of Downingtown, PA, was established and named after him. Most descendants remained in the Chester county area until after the Civil War, when they began to wander off.... Allied surnames to this Downing branch are SMITH, WHITE, PIERCE, GHEEN, LEWIS, PALMER, VALENTINE, HOOPES, MASON, DENNY, BUCKWALTER, and BEIDLER. Most were members of the Society of Friends (Quakers), although I've discovered a couple of branches circa 1830's who were swayed to the LDS and ended up in Nauvoo, IL, and thence on to Utah. Kinda interesting. Ray

Yes, so I see. I was really interested in the Francis Sr. But he would have to connect with the Francis, Jr. I have. But I will keep that in mind from now on. Thank you, Sue

Mary Lou, It's me again. Does that 17 page document go back to the 1600's by any chance? If it does, does it mention a Francis Downing in this country, (prob. VA) in 1624? Suehodnett@aol.com

In a message dated 98-10-10 09:06:37 EDT, you write: << Sherry Kaseburg wrote, "Somewhere out there is Downings, Pennsylvania Quakers, by Helen F. Snow, a 17 page mimeographed typescript, Madison CT 1961." I have this document. Mary Lou Cole mlc@tlexpress.com >> I have it also, Mary and Sherry, as well as some descendants not indicated on that excellent research document. Ray Downing, Las Vegas, NV

Sherry, Thanks again; how long have you been a Downing researcher? I have seen several of the items you have listed, but some I have not; do you thin there could be two Francis Downings, born abt 10 years apart? i have seen dates for birth of Francis Downing at 1726/1736/1746. The Francis of 1726/1736 married Susannah......(Wells?) and the Francis of 1746 married Henritta Viley, the Francis that was a war vet. Most researchers say they are the same; I don't know about that. Then that early Francis Downing , in this country in 1624--do you suppose he would hook up to the William Downing of the early 1600's in VA.? There is no record that this Francis went back to England. Sue

Sherry, I haven't seen a copy of Greer's Early Virginia Immigrnats, I don't believe; nothing I have seen so far lists the parents for Francis Downing, born 1736 of Yorkshire. I'm gathering a lot on him, and his family, but not his parents. I have posted a query on Yorksgen; maybe something will turn up. Sue

Sherry, Thank you; I have all that you sent me. I need an earlier Francis, who might be the father of the one we're reading about it here. I gather the father of Francis Downing born 1736 is also a Francis. He must have been born about 1700, give or take a few years. Also, Francis of 1736 married a Susannah Wells first, Henrietta Viley second, or so many researchers say. Sue

>My earliest ancestor is Francis Downing, Jr. We just learned from another >lady of our line that his father was Francis Downing, Sr., I presume of >Yorkshire, as that is where Francis Jr was born. Can anybody help me with >this? Have you seen a Francis Sr, with a son Francis, born 1736 in Yorkshire? >Or a Francis of 1736 with a father Francis, as I say, presumbably from >Yorkshire? Suehodnett@aol.com > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== > > More Clues and Sources from Sherry.. Index of Revolutionary War Pension applications, National Genealogical Society, 1966: Francis Downing, Maryland, Henrietta widow 8674 [I don't know what the number means. Original Lists of Persons of Quality by Hotten: Francis Downey, aged 24, to Virginia in the RETURN March 1624 in muster of John Throgmorton. Early Virginia Immigrants: George Downing 1652 brought by Mr. Edward Overman, York Co Anne Downing 1652 by Capt.Augustine Warner Richard Downing 1653 by Robert Sorrel Enoch Downing 1651 by Rowland Burnham William Downing 1651 brought by william Vincent, Northumberland Co William Downing 1647 brought by Elizabeth Barcroft, Isle of Wight Co VA. I have not seen this but have a copy of a card file card with the title: 300 American Downing Families, 1620-1800 by Richard William Loveless, 77 pages, Salt Lake City UT Histo Pub Maxwell Print, 1971. Middleton - Downing Family History, Ann Arbor Mich, University Microfilms International, 1980, 107 pages, a commemorative publication, 25th annual reunion of the Middleton-Downing descendants at Elkhart IN 7 August 1932; originally published at Anderson, Indiana, Hazel May Middleton Kendall, 1932. Somewhere out there is Downings, Pennsylvania Quakers, by Helen F. Snow, a 17 page mimeographed typescript, Madison CT 1961. Snippets from Downing Family Historical Society of America Newsletter August 1997: [for more info contact Ross Downing 2400 Pleasant Grove, Lansing MI 48910] --Elizabeth A. Dalton, 1089 Abbots Creek Church Road, High Point NC 27265 is looking for infor on James Downing, Rev War soldier. Same, May 1993: query from Lucille Gano, P.O. Box 128, Keosauqua, IA 52565 re: Francis Downing and his son William downing who m Rebecca Cromwell. Same: Query from Carolyn Douglas, 3550 E. Debra, Bay City MI 48706. Same August 1993: Mentions Downing Genealogy by W.C.Downing and R. Wilberforce, 1901. Historical Register of Officers of the Continental Army during the War of the Revolution, April 1775 to December 1783 by Francis B. Heitman, reprint of 1914 edition in 1932, Gen Pub Co Baltimore 1982: William Downing, PA, 2nd Lt 10th Pennsylvania, 4 Dec 1776-___; Thomas Downing, MA, 2nd Lt of Mansfields MA Regiment, May to December 1775, 1st Lt 27th Continental Inf 1 Jan to 31 Dec 1776; Henry Downing, VA, Ensign of a Virginia Regiment in 1781 and 1782. Genealogist's Magazine, Vol 24, #10, June 1994 p 853: The Legacy of Our Ancestors, Inheritance and Succession in Landed Families 1660-1925 by Barbara English deals with examples in East Yorkshire, and Figure 5 on p 862 demonstrates "Entail in the Downing Settlement of 1717...Jacob Downing...and the founding of a college at Cambridge to be called Downing's. Index to the Virginia Court Records in PA [District of W. Augusta] by I.R. Waldenmaier, 1957: John Downing III, 36 Timothy Downing III, 69. Revolutionary Patriots of Washington County, MD 1776-1783 by Henry C. Peden, Jr. , Family Line Publications, Westminster, MD: Downing, Ann, David and Jane [see Isaac Ellis] Downing, John Sr., private, Militia, 3rd Class , Capt.Basil Williams' Co 1776-7 Downing, John Jr., private militia 5th class, Capt Basil Williams' Co 1776-7 Downing, Joseph oath of allegiance before Hon Joseph Sprigg before 1 April 1778 Downing, Mister [see Lawrence Williams] Downing, Timothy private militia 2nd class, Capt James Prather's Co. 3rd Battn. 1776-1777 Downing, William oath of allegiance before Hon Lemuel Barritt before 16 March 1778. To Maryland from Overseas, A Complete Digest of the Jacobite Loyalists Sold into White Slavery in Maryland, and the British and Continental Background of Approximately 1400 Maryland Settlers from 1634 to the Early Federal Period with Source Documentation by Harry Wright Newman, Gen Pub Co Baltimore 1985: Francis Downing, a native of Yorkshire, England, born 1 January 1746; settled in the Colonies in 1768 and was domiciled in Montgomery Co MD when he enlisted at Frederick Town for the Flying Camp and saw service around New York; later lived in Scott Co KY; Rev Pension Claim W8674, National Archives. I can't elaborate because I don't have the sources...just my notes from research years ago.

>My earliest ancestor is Francis Downing, Jr. We just learned from another >lady of our line that his father was Francis Downing, Sr., I presume of >Yorkshire, as that is where Francis Jr was born. Can anybody help me with >this? Have you seen a Francis Sr, with a son Francis, born 1736 in Yorkshire? >Or a Francis of 1736 with a father Francis, as I say, presumbably from >Yorkshire? Suehodnett@aol.com > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== > > Family Tree Maker has a family group sheet on Francis Downing and wife Henrietta Viley. It does not name Francis' parents. I don't know the FTM file number but Family Tree Maker can identify the person who submitted this. Lists children: William, Richard W., Samuel, John, Mary, Susanna and Francis. There is also a FTM family group sheet for Francis' son William Downing who married Rebecca Cromwell and Margaret Schrock and with his children: Joseph 1795-?, William 1794, Ruth b 1797, Richard b 1799, Samuel b 1800, Maria b 1802, Eliza b 1803, Elizabeth b 1805, Ann b 1807, Priscilla b 1809. Estelle Purciple, great-granddaughter of Francis Downing of Rev War, Virginia, had a DAR membership #64696. Also mentioned in Ann Gregath's Downing works. I wonder if Greer's Early Virginia Immigrants, pub 1912, would be helpful. I do not have a copy. Revolutionary War Records, Vol 1, Virginia by ? Francis Downing, Virginia Military Land Warrant #5915 granted to Peggy Meers, only heir to him; he was a private and served 3 years. Virginia Soldiers of the American Revolution compiled by Hamilton J. Eckenrode, Volume 2, Virginia State Library and Archives, originally pub in 1913 entitled List of the Revolutionary Soldiers of Virginia, Supplement: Francis Downing. Historical Register of Virginias in the Revolution, Soldiers - Sailors - Marines, 1775-1783, by John W. Gwathmey, The Dietz Press 1938, Richmond, VA: Downing, ______ Captain, Accomac County, Mil oath 1777 Downing, Arthur Jr. Northampton County Militia, recommended to be captain 1783 Downing, Francis, 9CL Downing, Francis, awarded bounty land Downing, Henry, Engsign of a state regiment in 1781 and 1782 Downing, James, 1st Lt., Montgomery County Militia, oath 1778 Downing, James, Captain, commanded a company of Lincoln Militia in Clark's IL Reg Downing, James, paid as a spy 1778 Downing, John 14CL Downing, John Jr. Northumberland County Militia, recommended as ensign 1780 rec as 2nd Lt. 1781, served in Capt. John Rogers' Co. Downing, Robert, Pittsylvania County Downing, Thomas, Captain, Northumberland Co Militia, oath 1777 Downing, Timothy, Pitts [presumably Pittsylvania Co VA] Downing, William, Captain in 1776, oath 1777 Northumberland County company, Captain of Northumberland Militia 177601777. Downing, William, Northampton Co Militia, recommended as Ensign 1778. Some Downing miscellany WITHOUT sources. Embarrassing. Clues, maybe? Francis Downing b ca 1754, d 20 April 1777, private VA William Downing b ca 1755, d 1836, m1 Rebecca Cromwell, m2 Margaret Schrock, private Maryland. Sherry

PLEASE, can someone do a lookup for me? If you have any access to parish records for County Durham, England, would you look up a reference for Francis Downing, married 1757 in the Parish of Chester le Street? I would much appreciate it, thank you. suehodnett@aol.com