Thank you. There are probably many Mary E.'s then. Sue Hodnett

<<Do you know if Mary E, born 1844, died in Davies County? And is buried either in Brown or Cope Cemeteries?>> Mary E. was born 1844 and died 1845 in Pennsylvania. Mary Lou

Mary Lou Cole, Do you know if Mary E, born 1844, died in Davies County? And is buried either in Brown or Cope Cemeteries? Sue Hodnett

Message for Konnie(Downing) Conrad: Gregath lists on pg. 378: James W. Downing b. 18 Jul 1800 PA d. 24 Aug 1881 Yellow Springs, PA m. Mary M. Rhodes b. 8 June 1808 d. 22 Feb 1880 Yellow Springs, PA Children: Sameul 1828 George 1831 James C. 1834 John 1836 Israel 1838 Rebecca 1840 Mary E. 1844 I wonder if Joseph Rhodes Downing b. 1847 could belong to this family? A check of the 1850 census should confirm if Joseph was a son to James Downing & Mary Rhodes. James was a lock tender on the PA Canal. Mary Lou Cole

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Would you please give the address again? Thanks, Di

Does any one knowanything about Joseph Rhodes Downing? He was born September 29,1847 in Yellow Springs, Blair Co. Pa. His wife was Rebecca C Hammond, they had six children,one of which was my grandfather. I would also like to know about Edward Jesse Downing, Josephs oldest son, he was bornDecember 7,1872. His wife was Hattie Hemling,they went to Kansas & the family lost track of them. Konnie(Downing) Conrad DOWNING-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > DOWNING-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 86 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [DOWNING-L] Timothy Downing land s [jdown@nettally.com (Downing, Joe)] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from DOWNING-D, send a message to > > DOWNING-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [DOWNING-L] Timothy Downing land survey > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:45:19 -0500 > From: jdown@nettally.com (Downing, Joe) > To: DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com > > i have received a copy of Timothy Downing's certificate of survey for 96a. > in Conococheague Manor, Prince George Co,MD. It was examined and allowed > 31July 1738. > He did not patent this tract, so no further record of him in relation to it. joe

i have received a copy of Timothy Downing's certificate of survey for 96a. in Conococheague Manor, Prince George Co,MD. It was examined and allowed 31July 1738. He did not patent this tract, so no further record of him in relation to it. joe

No I don't need a lookup. Samuel recorded both his marriages [and other stuff on the Matthews family] in his Bible. I figure the family spelled better than the officials. <g> They came from Ireland -- so did the Bible. IOWs, altho it was Samuel's Bible it originally came from the Matthews. I just used Sam as an example for the Vital Records Index anyway. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com Richard III Society mailing list

I have the book of Pike Co,OH marriages in case you need a lookup. It shows Mathews, but that doesn't mean it is correct, there are both spellings in the county, joe >I received the Vital Records Index of North America from the LDS. It >contains a viewer, one CD of births and six CDs of marriage records. The >dates on these records range from 1631 to 1888 and come from both the US >and Canada. > >I was able to locate both marriages of one of my 3great grandfathers, >Samuel Downing, in Pike County, Ohio, one in 1818 and one in 1837. It gives >the names of the parties, the date, the location [county] and, in some >case, other relatives. In most cases it notes if one party was married >before but I know Samuel married his widowed sister-in-law the second time >and I didn't see that noted. I also note his first wife is listed as >Margaret Mathews. We have Samuel's Bible and her name was Matthews. This >could be a typo or an error in the original record. There is a FHL number >associated with each record. I am guessing that is a microfilm number as >both of those marriages, 20 years apart, were in the same county and on the >same FHL number. > >You can also search and get a list of all records for, say, Pike County, OH. > >These records require a Pentium processor, a minimum of 8 MB RAM, 4X CD >drive and 25 MB hard drive space so they aren't for everyone. But they are >quite reasonable -- under $20. > > >Cheryl Rothwell >clrothwell@mindspring.com >Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator >http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm >Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L@rootsweb.com >Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com >Richard III Society mailing list > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >Do you know of Downing web pages? Post the URL here. > >

I received the Vital Records Index of North America from the LDS. It contains a viewer, one CD of births and six CDs of marriage records. The dates on these records range from 1631 to 1888 and come from both the US and Canada. I was able to locate both marriages of one of my 3great grandfathers, Samuel Downing, in Pike County, Ohio, one in 1818 and one in 1837. It gives the names of the parties, the date, the location [county] and, in some case, other relatives. In most cases it notes if one party was married before but I know Samuel married his widowed sister-in-law the second time and I didn't see that noted. I also note his first wife is listed as Margaret Mathews. We have Samuel's Bible and her name was Matthews. This could be a typo or an error in the original record. There is a FHL number associated with each record. I am guessing that is a microfilm number as both of those marriages, 20 years apart, were in the same county and on the same FHL number. You can also search and get a list of all records for, say, Pike County, OH. These records require a Pentium processor, a minimum of 8 MB RAM, 4X CD drive and 25 MB hard drive space so they aren't for everyone. But they are quite reasonable -- under $20. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com Richard III Society mailing list

>Return-Path: <d.i.cox@usa.net> >Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:15:28 >From: <d.i.cox@usa.net> >To: jdown@nettally.com >Subject: Downings > >>Have back to a William W.Downing born 1831 in Ind. wasnt living with >>any family in 1850 Verm Co.census listed his father as being born in >>KY and his mother in OH. i believe his family went from KY to OH to >>IN and believe he had uncles named William W. Jonathan W. and poss. >>Nathaniel R. > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 >

Does anyone have anything on a Samuel DOWNING born 1846 in Davies County, MO? He is listed once in an 1850 Davies County, MO census with part of his family--parents Morean/Morian and Lydia A. (Brunk) Downing, and siblings, John and Ellen. I have found no more on these children; not much on the parents either. Morean and Lydia were married in Davies County in 1842, and had at least seven children, the three oldest are listed above. There is also Sanford, Morean, Jr, James and William Austin Downing. There may be others. Sue Hodnett

All I have for this William W. Downing is his wife Mary and their birth and death dates, and a daughter Marion O. Do you know if any of those you have listed ended up in Davies Co., MO? Sue Hodnett

Miss a message? Crash your hard drive and lose something important from the list? The archives of this mailing list are up and searchable at: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com Richard III Society mailing list

Hi, I am knew to this list. I recently was researching a BURDICK family line, and found some information in the book "The Descendants of Robert Burdick of Rhode Island" by Nellie Johnson which indicates that my 6G grandfather was David DOWNING of Hopkinton, RI and Bennington, VT. He supposedly married a daughter (unnamed) of Ebenezer and Elizabeth (STEWARD) BURDICK, and had a daughter Anna, b. 1782 in Rhode Island. Anna Married Nathaniel BURDICK in 1803 in Hopkinton, RI. Other than this, there is no additional information in the Burdick book... Based on the dates, I would guess that David DOWNING must have been born somewhere between 1710 and 1760 or so. If anyone has any information about this family, or about David's ancestry, I would love to hear from you! Thanks, Kevin Spaulding (spaulding@kodak.com)

Does anyone know this person? He was born 23 Dec 1822 and died 29 May 1903. He is buried in Brown Cemetery in Davies County, MO. In this cemetery are other Downings, among them the family members of John Gilbert Downing. Sue Hodnett

Copyright is always an issue. Earlier this year Congress passed stiffer copyright laws regarding media products including the internet. THIS APPLIES TO MAILING LISTS TOO SO DON'T QUOTE COPYRIGHTED MATERIALS FROM ANY SOURCE ON THIS LIST. Now Congress, in its wisdom [?] has added to the copyright law. See the following from Dick Eastman's newsletter, shared here with permission. - Congress Passes Bill Detrimental to Genealogists The U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate have been working for a while on a bill designed to extend the term of copyright protection by 20 years. H.R. 2589, the House version of copyright term extension and now named, "The Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act," was adopted by the full House or Representatives on March 25, 1998. The bill was sent to the Senate, where it languished for some time. In September the Senate passed a slightly different bill. The two bodies then worked out a compromise document. The House and the Senate passed S. 505 on October 7, 1998. President Clinton signed the bill on October 27, 1998. Per our Constitution, our government, "to promote the science and useful arts" ... secures "for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries." This balances the right of a person to make a profit, with the right of the people to the work (so they can freely make derivative works). Until 1979, the copyright term was 56 years: one 28 year term, extendible for an additional 28 years. Hence, in 1978 all works created in or before 1922 were in the public domain. In 1979, Congress RETROACTIVELY extended copyright terms 19 years, so that the material from 1923 has never entered the public domain. Now, 19 years later, at the urging of the Walt Disney Company, the Gershwin heirs, and many others concerned with their rights to keep exclusive ownership of intellectual property, Congress has RETROACTIVELY extended copyright terms another 20 years, to 95 years. This means that materials written in 1923, which would have entered the public domain on Jan. 1, 1999, will now enter the public domain on Jan 1, 2019. Materials written in 1924 will now enter the public domain on Jan. 1, 2020. And that, sir, is only if Congress does not retroactively extend the term a third time. What impact does this have on genealogists? We all want information. In this day and age, information usually is found online or on CD-ROM disks. Yet the people who produce those online databases and CD-ROM disks are now prohibited from reproducing materials printed after 1922. Newspapers after 1922 (obituaries, especially) will now be in copyright for another 20 years. You'll need to wait 20 more years before they can be transcribed and put online for free. Old genealogies, which might be useful if reprinted, cannot be freely reprinted or placed online for an additional 20 years. Historical materials cannot be reprinted or placed online for an additional 20 years. Likewise, obscure works whose copyright status is uncertain or where the heirs cannot be tracked down, cannot be placed online for an additional 20 years. For a much more detailed description of the impact, look at: http://www.public.asu.edu/~dkarjala/ Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com Richard III Society mailing list

I have some stuff of William Downing married to Mary......1665. But not a lot. I haven't spent a lot of time on that line because I wans't sure it was mine. Maybe I can help a little if I can find that material. Sue Hodnett

---------- From: MWoods8847@aol.com To: bcohen@conwaycorp.net; Elmer444@aol.com; slragland@mc2k.com; kenleach@cooke.net; JGeddie673@aol.com; wcarol@geocities.com Cc: LJHNSTN@aol.com Subject: Re: [WOODS-L] Pioneer foods Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 5:32 PM In a message dated 11/12/98 6:24:55 AM !!!First Boot!!!, JCBrooks@aol.com writes: I am forwarding this from another list.....it is very interesting and certainly applies to everyone's ancestors prior to 1830. Michele Brooks .................. I got this from a book called "Pioneer History of Indiana". I'm sure the information would apply to any of the states when they were in the pioneer stage. "The pioneer women who came to the wilderness of Indiana had very few utensils they could use for cooking. The older sections they had emigrated from were quite distant from their new homes and if they had the different dishes and vessels to bring it was hard work to bring them for very few of them came in wagons or carts but mostly on horseback. There were many who walked all the way and had only such things as they could carry. In fact, at the beginning of the nineteenth century in some of the older states , cooking utensils were not plentiful and they were very high priced and hard to get. The reader must take into consideration that this country was just beginning to gather strength after the great war of the Revolution, when our finances were completely wrecked. There was almost no money and the continental script was worthless. Mrs. Nancy Gullick, related to me that when she was a grown woman in the neighborhood where she lived, there was not more than one vessel for cooking in any home and that was nearly always a skillet and a lid. Often the lid was broken and the skillet nicked. Many of those who had cabins did not have any sort of vessel to cook in unless it was an earthen pot which had been made by the owner out of clay and burned as hard as it could be. Since there was no glazing, when boiling anything that had grease in it, there was nearly as much fat on the outside as there was inside. So much came through the pores that after the first fire to boil the pot, there was not much more needed for the fat on the outside was constantly on fire. In the skillet, all the meat had to be cooked on the hearth before a blazing fire, the cook having to stoop half bent and attend to the meat. The bread was baked in the same skillet, if not on a Johnny-cake board that was made for this purpose about ten inches wide and fifteen inches long and rounding at the top end. The corn dough was made thick and put on the board which was placed against a chunk of wood near the fire. After one side was baked to a nice brown, it was turned over and the other side was baked in the same way. This was called a Johnny-cake. If a board was not at hand, a hoe without its handle was cleaned and greased with bear's oil. Then the dough was put on the hoe blade the same ason the board and baked...this was called a hoe cake. When they had neither Johnny cake board nor hoe, a place was cleaned on the hearth under the edge of the fire, the dough wrapped in cabbage leaves or fresh corn shucks and laid on the hot hearth and covered with hot embers. This was called an ash cake. The bread from any of these ways of cooking was good, even delicious. A little later on more iron vessels were brought into the country and the dinner pot that held about two gallons with a lid and three short legs and an ear on each side for the hinged hooks to fit in, came into use. It was a great improvement over the old vessels and enabled them to boil the meat instead of always having to fry or roast it. A pole was put above the fire from jamb to jamb and a hook was put on it, sometimes several of them of different lengths. The hooks which were fitted in the ears of the pot were hung on these hooks holding the pot over the fire. In this pot meat and vegetables could be well cooked. While these people had only a very primitive way of preparing the food, they cooked it well and I doubt if any age in this country's history will see another time when such delicious meats were served or a people who so thoroughly enjoyed their food. The country was so abundantly supplied with all sorts of game that all could have a bountiful supply. The usual dish for breakfast was fried turkey breast and slices of venison; for dinner the loin of a fat deer cooked with potatoes; for supper of the evening meal usually the meats were roasted. These dishes of food served with Johnny cake seasoned with the rich gravy of these meats, were certainly a repast which would satisfy the most exacting epicure. I can't determine the date when stoves came into general use but as late as 1820 there were but few stoves in use and I very much doubt if one of every twenty families in Indiana had any idea of how to cook and prepare food in any other way that I have described, up to 1835. Possible they were not so careful in appealing to the eye then as now but I am sure the dishes were prepared better than they are now and tasted just as well and I think better. There were no sweets nor pastries and biscuits were a luxury that were served only on Sunday mornings".