an added item, thomas day married polly mathews 5 Apr 1821, so birth date for Samuel would jibe, joe >My g grandfather, James Harvey Downing m. Jane Day in 1850, Putnam Co., >Ind. She was dau. of David and Ann Day. I wonder if this could be a >connection. > >---------- >> From: clrothwell@mindspring.com >> To: DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DOWNING-L] Downing & Day >> Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 3:50 PM >> >> In Pike County, OH, I have Timothy-George-Samuel m. Mary Matthews Day, a >> widow with a son Samuel b. March 6, 1822. Father's name Thomas Day. >> >> Also in Pike County, OH, I have the same Timothy-John-Rosena [b. 1829] m. >> Samuel Day. >> >> Does anyone know if we have the same Samuel Day in both cases? >> >> Cheryl Rothwell >> clrothwell@mindspring.com >> Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm >> Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com >> Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com >> Downing query board> >> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing >> Lucas query board> >> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas >> >> >> ==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >Do you know of Downing web pages? Post the URL here. > >

i show Samuel Downing to Mary Day 16 May 1837, i don't show the other marriage, joe >In Pike County, OH, I have Timothy-George-Samuel m. Mary Matthews Day, a >widow with a son Samuel b. March 6, 1822. Father's name Thomas Day. > >Also in Pike County, OH, I have the same Timothy-John-Rosena [b. 1829] m. >Samuel Day. > >Does anyone know if we have the same Samuel Day in both cases? > >Cheryl Rothwell >clrothwell@mindspring.com >Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator >http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm >Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com >Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com >Downing query board> >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing >Lucas query board> >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== > > >

James Harvey and Jane Day Downing are running a little later than this marriage and in a different state. It does appear that Samuel was the only child of Mary Matthews and Thomas Day -- when the widow Mary married her widowed brother-in-law Samuel Downing in Ohio he is the only child listed in Samuel's Bible. After that Samuel and Mary and, it appears, most of the Matthews, moved to Illinois. It would seem likely Samuel did too but I haven't seen any evidence of it. He is a generation older than your Jane Day. It is possible there was a family of Days in Pike County, OH, who intermarried with the Downings... Samuel and Jane are pretty common names. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

My g grandfather, James Harvey Downing m. Jane Day in 1850, Putnam Co., Ind. She was dau. of David and Ann Day. I wonder if this could be a connection. ---------- > From: clrothwell@mindspring.com > To: DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DOWNING-L] Downing & Day > Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 3:50 PM > > In Pike County, OH, I have Timothy-George-Samuel m. Mary Matthews Day, a > widow with a son Samuel b. March 6, 1822. Father's name Thomas Day. > > Also in Pike County, OH, I have the same Timothy-John-Rosena [b. 1829] m. > Samuel Day. > > Does anyone know if we have the same Samuel Day in both cases? > > Cheryl Rothwell > clrothwell@mindspring.com > Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator > http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm > Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com > Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com > Downing query board> > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing > Lucas query board> > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas > > > ==== DOWNING Mailing List ====

In Pike County, OH, I have Timothy-George-Samuel m. Mary Matthews Day, a widow with a son Samuel b. March 6, 1822. Father's name Thomas Day. Also in Pike County, OH, I have the same Timothy-John-Rosena [b. 1829] m. Samuel Day. Does anyone know if we have the same Samuel Day in both cases? Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

There are 94 Downing family members listed in Starr's Cherokee genealogy of the old Cherokee Indian families. His book is indexed, as well as the 1835 Cherokee census, on line at a rare book site at http://members.aol.com/rarebk Once there, go to BOOKLISTS, and scroll down to the Cherokee genealogy books, and the tutorial. It is all self-explanatory. Note, there is no WWW in the address. The site also contains a Cherokee genealogy "how-to" tutorial you can read that explains how to do Cherokee genealogy research, the best explanation I've seen to date. Thanks, Jim ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Ancestry has two special offers going: A one month free trial access to all of Ancestry's databases: http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/signup/decpromo.htm Free family oriented web sites: http://www.myfamily.com Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

I am looking for anyone with personal information on the above mentioned individual, or any of his family. They are as follows, to the best of my knowledge: John W. F. P. (Riley?) Downing, b 1822 in KY. Farmer. He married in 11 jun 1849 in Davies Co., MO: Hannah B. Gilbert b 1825/26 also in KY. They had: Powhatan, b 1850 MO Betsey, b 1852 MO Charles L., b 15 Mar 1855 MO (I was sent a nice article on this son; is there anymore ino out there on him?) John Gilbert, b 1858; married Mary Jennie Galpin 27 Dec 1876. They had: Riley Powhatan, b 4 Nov 1881, d 15 Dec 1906 Mary L., b 1877 Lester E. b 1879 John G., b 1886 Kate C., b 1890 Peter G., b 1892, all born in MO Craven, b 1862 MO Frances, b 1862 (female) The parnets of John W. F. P. Downing are "Puck" or Powhatan Downing, 1766 of Md; and Hannah.......Gilbert? also of Md I have found very little on this couple, but this particular family line seems to have stayed in Mo quite a while. If anyone has any other information on them, I would really like to see it. Sue Hodnett

Bingo! No more Tim the Tory! Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

>From Md. Historical Society: Militia Roll, Frederick Co., Skipton Dist, 16Apr1776, We whose names are subscribed do hereby enroll ourselves into a company of militia agreeable to the resolution of the provincial convention held at annapolis the 7th day of December 1775...... Thomas Waring, Capt James Prather & Thomas Humphrey, Lts John Jeremiah Jacob, Ensign Pvts: Timothy Downing, Arthur & Thomas Chenoweth joe

Confused by land descriptions on deeds? Check out this clear drawing which details what is what: http://www.scioto.org/Pike/locations/pikeacremap.html Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

The Land Records site at http://www.glorecords.blm.gov has finally added more states and their land patent records to the site. You can search for a surname in any state or do a more detailed search if you have the information. Understand that these are records of land purchased directly from the federal government, not routine land transfers. In the past I searched for Downings in Pike County, OH, with success and yesterday I searched for Downings in Logan County, IL -- Illinois being one of the new states to be added. It's a great tool. There is information from many eastern states now. Eventually they plan to have information from all the states. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

It is: <http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing> It worked for me just now. Try clicking on the above or below. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

I tried the address for the new Downing query board twice: it doesn't work for me. I get a file error now. Here is what I have: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/familyassoc/downing.........is this case sensitive? Sue Hodnett

A new Downing query board has been set up at GenConnect courtesy of Rootsweb. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Queries should be detailed, ie, contain information rather than a general query, and, hopefully, responses will cite sources. That is the hope of those who created the board for us. There can be other Downing boards for posting source documents -- ideally there will be a Downing board for each of the following: obits, bios, wills, deeds, Bible records, pensions. That's six opportunities to host a Downing board if you are interested. Posting primary source documents will help everyone and you can be part of it. You MUST be a Rootsweb member/sponsor/donor to host a board. This is a worthwhile contribution anyway since Rootsweb provides free space for this mailing list, many USGenWeb sites and such. Members may host one board, sponsors may have two and so on. [Membership also provides you with the opportunity to host a mailing or two or more -- again, depending on the level of support -- if none is currently taken for the surname of your choice.] There will be a 'suite' of boards for every surname, ie, the six listed above and the query board. AFAIK only the query board for Downing has been taken [by me]. Think about it. Sign up for the boards is on hold until December 28 as the volunteer workers take some holiday time. At that point it is first come, first serve. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com Logan County, ILGenWeb, coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L@rootsweb.com Richard III Society mailing list

This is from the December 18, 1998, issue of Ancestry Daily News. They are suggesting "a special holiday gift from Ancestry.com next week!" Last year that was free access to ALL of their databases for one day. The response crashed their server. Perhaps this year they'll make it for more than one day. As soon as I hear I'll let you know. You can check it out yourself at http://www.ancestry.com GEORGE G. MORGAN: "ALONG THOSE LINES . . ." "Civil War Pension Records" <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> ======================================================= Military pension records can provide a wealth of information about your ancestors. Pension files for Civil War veterans are often filled with details about the veteran and about his wife, and sometimes about his family members. Unfortunately, some genealogists don't investigate this research avenue as well as they should. There have been cases where, had I checked the military service and pension files early in my research, I could have saved myself many months and a great deal of frustration. In "Along Those Lines . . ." this week, let's discuss Civil War pension records, where to find them, and let's examine a few examples of their contents. ~ Where Are Civil War Pension Files Located? There are two essential places to check for military service records for your Civil War ancestor: the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) and with the state archives of the state in which your ancestor lived. NARA is the repository for copies of all sorts of U.S. military records. Materials have been microfilmed and indexed there. And while it may take a while to receive copies from NARA because of the huge volume of requests it receives, the results are usually always worth the wait. NARA maintains two types of records for the Civil War soldiers. These are the military service records and the pension files. Copies of these are available by filling out a Form 80, copies of which are free on request from the Textual Reference Branch (NNR1), National Archives and Records Administration, 7th and Pennsylvania Avenue N.W., Washington, DC 20408. Military service records contain information about enlistment or conscription, dates of service, rank attained, details of assignment locations and battles, and other military information. Seldom will military records contain much in the way of family information. That does not, of course, mean that you shouldn't obtain these records. For example, if you didn't know where your ancestor lived before he joined the military - North or South - the place of enlistment is a very good indicator of his place of residence at the time. Pension records often contain much more interesting information. They reflect the soldier's life many years after the completion of his service, and often include information about his spouse and family. In order to apply for the pension, the veteran had to provide some proof of his service. In many cases, this proof came in the form of a sworn affidavit filed and signed by the veteran. Affidavits sworn and signed by other soldiers who served with the applicant often are also used as proof. Widows also applied for their husbands' pensions or for continuation of the pensions after their husbands' deaths. In some cases, children also applied for the pension or for a continuation of it. All of the applications, correspondence and corroborating proofs are likely to be included in the pension file. State archives' files are not always duplications of what is stored at NARA. While NARA has a great deal of information, you will find no records there for soldiers who served in the State Militia rather than as State Volunteers. (A Militia was a state-organized and controlled army whose purpose was to protect people and property inside the state. State Volunteer regiments were formed by the state. They were then turned over to their national governments, Union or Confederate, for service.) Pension applications filed by veterans at the state level and housed in the state archives may contain additional documents that NARA's files do not contain. Depending on the court processing the paperwork and the clerk, some documents may have been deemed too unimportant to be sent with the file for processing of the pension application. Also, incomplete applications and those that were denied or not approved at the state level may never have been forwarded elsewhere. The quality and quantity of the materials available from the state archives varies. Some states, such as Virginia, Georgia, Pennsylvania and New York, maintain large and well-organized collections. You may find other states' collections less extensive or complete. I've found, though, that the people who work at all the state archives I've dealt with are kind and helpful. The point is that you should write both NARA and the state archives for the state from which the soldier served. If you have submitted a From 80 to NARA and received a reply indicating that no records were found, don't give up. Write to the state archives. If they locate a file for your ancestor, most states will provide a brief abstract of what is contained in the file so you can make a decision about ordering copies. As I was seeking Confederate military service and pension records for my great-grandfather, I wrote the state archives in Georgia. They responded that they had no files for him but that he had served as a witness for his brother's pension application. This pointed me in another research direction, and his witness record was another primary record for my great-grandfather that I had to see. ~ Types of Information Found in the Pension Files Every pension file's contents are different. Some are huge volumes containing page after page of sworn affidavits, hearing notes, letters of appeal, the widow's application, and other correspondence. Others contain only the veteran's pension application and a few other sheets. There are many pension files at NARA containing detailed descriptions of wounds suffered. These were part of application for invalid pensions. Other files are indigent persons' pensions, filed because the person was too old or infirm to support himself and his family. There were a number of reasons for filing a pension application. What is important is that each document is a primary document providing more details about your ancestor. Let me share with you a few of the findings I've encountered in Civil War pension files. In a pension application filed in Floyd County, GA, the following personal facts were found: ~ Applicant's date of birth, birth location, current residence and current age. ~ Location and date of enlistment, unit in which he served, the duration of his service, and the place of discharge (Appomattox, 9 April 1865). ~ Current medical condition indicated, through applicant's statement and affidavits made by his brother and his physician, that he suffered from heart trouble (mitral regurgitation) and disintegration of his eyesight. This meant that he was unable to work to support himself. ~ Applicant's first wife had died and that he had remarried 13 years before. Affidavit of a witness of the ceremony was accepted. ~ Applicant's wife was supporting him by working as a common field laborer, and that they owned a cow, some hogs, and less than $300 of personal property. ~ Approval of the pension request and the annual sworn statements of the applicant that his financial status had not changed. In a widow's pension application filed in Caswell County, North Carolina, the following personal facts were found: ~ Name of the widow, her date of birth, her current age, the date of her marriage to the soldier, and her medical condition. ~ Sworn affidavits by two witnesses to the wedding. ~ Location and date of enlistment, unit in which her husband served, the duration of his service, and the place of his death (Gettysburg, PA, on 2 July 1863). ~ Sworn affidavits of men who had served with the soldier and one who stated that he witnessed the death of the soldier. ~ Names and ages of the four children of the applicant and her deceased husband. ~ Sworn statement by the applicant indicating that she was working as a tenant farmer by herself, with the help of her oldest son, and that they were unable to support themselves without some financial assistance. ~ Documents of the approval of the application, a power of attorney appointing the widow's brother as her financial agent, and annual document indicating payments were made until the time of her death. ~ A letter from her brother reporting the widow's death. A pension application filed in New Jersey in February 1880 contained the following information: ~ Applicant's date of birth, location and current age. ~ Location and date of enlistment, unit in which he served, the duration of his service, and the date and place he was wounded (Shiloh, April 1862). ~ A detailed description of the wound he received that caused amputation of the left leg and making him an invalid. ~ Sworn affidavit of one man who had served with the soldier. ~ Sworn statement by the applicant's brother regarding financial hardship. ~ Approval of the pension request and the annual sworn statements of the applicant that his financial status had not changed. ~ A letter from the pensioner reporting his brother's death in 1909. ~ Conclusion As you can see, there can be a great deal of genealogical and historical information in a Civil War pension file. The records at the National Archives contain a wealth of documentation that can help your research. The state archives likewise contain additional materials not at NARA and should be mined as well. I'm not saying that you won't be disappointed; there are, of course, soldiers for whom there are no files. However, it is important that you investigate these avenues as well. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com

Few genealogical researchers are around who do not moan over the loss of the 1890 U.S. Census, and probably all such persons are aware it was lost in a 1921 fire. There's a fascinating story BEHIND the story of the missing 1890 census, and the sad tale has just been posted on the National Archives web site. To learn the whole story of how the 1890 census was lost, go to: http://www.nara.gov/publications/prologue/1890cen1.html It's a fascinating story.

Sherry, I will have to double check on the Brunks. They seem originally to be from Ohio, but some may have been in Illinois too. Sue Hodnett

>SEASONS GREETINGS EVERYONE, FROM THE HODNETT HOUSE TO YOURS! Also still >researching: DOWNING; LEWIS; WILLIAMS; HUTTON; BRUNK. > >Sue Hodnett > > >==== DOWNING Mailing List ==== >What Downing resources do you own? Tell us. > Sue, I have Huttons in Washington Co NY. Are your Brunks in Logan Co IL? Sherry

May all the joy of the season be to you and yours this year. and may you receive that special genealogy document that unveils all your "most wanted" names. Happy holidays Mickael L. Mann/Downing/Large/Moore/?