Hi again, Decided to do this in segments to try to keep it from being so long. All I have on these two grandfathers is what I received from Randy Dover (my eternal gratitude!) I do have Tomilene Dover, but don't know her -- didn't have the "Higginbottom." I have added ? Higginbottom as her spouse. I would love to have more -- birthdates etc. Also, I would love to have her address -- either e-mail or snail-mail, or both. It seems as though we would be fairly close cousins since her grandfather was a brother to my grandmother. Right? I sent Randy the GED for the descendants of Lula Jane Dover Lindsey. I tried to send it to the list, but they couldn't receive it because I hadn't turned off the MIME, or whatever. Randy said that the list has it -- so maybe it has gone to the archives. Thanks to a posting I found that for the first time just very recently and now have it bookmarked. If you would like me to TRY sending it again just let me know. I would be glad to send anything I have to you either by e-mail or snail-mail if you will send me your snail-mail address. Mine is Mrs. Lou Morton Ellis, 12535 Matisse Lane, Dallas,TX 75230-1741 Thanks to all my newly found cousins -- especially Randy and the beautiful Sharon Dover Romanek. I know she is beautiful because I now have a face to put to her name (she sent me a picture.) Hint! Hint! Cousin Lou