My gggrandfather,Thomas Jefferson Dover, married my gggrandmother,Meranzia Hayes, in Ponotoc Co. Mississippi In 1857. Family legend is that before he moved to Layfayette Co. Mississippi in the 1850s he lived in Tallapoosa Co. Al. and was married To Mariam S.E. Barnett. Could this be the same line? -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Dover [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Dover] Death Certificate of John Dover-Shelby County, AL It's John Dover from census who I suspect was a grandson of Lawson & Mary Dover. The informant was probably Havis Dover (see notes after census). There's a census age problem in 1870. To admit how confused I am on the 1860 census, I have always wondered if Monroe was James Monroe. Check his age and the marriage records. Buy lunch or send flowers for anyone who finds a living male descendant ... that will take the DNA test. Lawson Dover owned a lot in Habersham Co., GA that was next to Francis J., Johnson, Anderson and Simpson Dover. 1850 Tallapoosa County, Alabama Census M432-24 Sheet 35B Township 21, October 28, 1850 #477/477 Lawson Dover 50 [1800] SC Mary 50 [1800] SC Mary 17 [1833] GA Nelson 15 [1835] GA [Wilson?] Martha 13 [1837] GA Amanda 11 [1839] GA James M. 08 [1842] GA ********* Stephen Cross 22 [1828] GA 1860 Shelby County, Alabama Census M653-23 Sterretts PO, July 29, 1860 Sheet 432 (174) #1285/1285 L. Dover 60 [1800] M W SC Farmer Mary 60 [1800] F W SC Martha 21 [1839] F W GA Jas? M. 17 [1843] M W GA ******* Monroe 08 [1852] M W GA ******* Jon T. 03 [1857] M W GA 1870 Shelby County, Alabama M593-39 Enumerated August 3, 1870 Beat #1, Shelby Springs Post Office Sheet 456A #220 Lawson Dover 70 [1800] SC Mary 70 [1800] SC #221 James M. Dover 17 [1853] AL Married March 1870 Louisa 19 [1851] AL Nee Howard James M. Dover and Louisa Howard, March 6, 1870 (Marriage Record) Sheet 537B (2) Beat #13 Shelby Springs Post Office #12 James M. Dover 28 M [1842] AL Farmer Jane A. ? 27 F [1843] AL Keeping House ? 03 F [1867] AL Mary A. 01 F [1869] AL Jack Holcomb 11 M [1859] AL Jane Ann Holcomb? 1880 Shelby County, Alabama Census T9-0031 Sheet 189A L. DOVER Other M W W 80 AL Fa: AL Mo: AL 1900 Shelby County, Alabama Census T623-39 Precinct No. 7 Elliottsville, ED No. 127, June 8, 1900 Sheet 130(4)A James M. Dover 57 1843 AL SC SC John A. 20 1879 AL AL AL Chas. T. 17 1882 AL AL AL Minnie E. 15 1885 AL AL AL 1910 Shelby County, Alabama Census ???? 1920 Shelby County, Alabama Census T Precinct No. 7 Saginaw & Siluria, January 19 & 20, 1920, ED No. 120 Sheet 7B #119/133 John A. Dover Head M W 40 M AL AL AL Farmer Jahnis? Wife F W 31 M AL AL AL Willie G. Dau F W 13 S AL AL AL Inez S? Dau F W 11 S AL AL AL Velmer I. Dau F W 06 S AL AL AL Haris? Son M W 04 S AL AL AL (3-11/12) 1930 Shelby County, Alabama Census Precinct No. 1 Saginaw & Silura, ED No. 59-13, April 14, 1930 Sheet 14B #287/300 John A. Dover Head M W 50 [1880] W AL US AL Laborer Velma I. Dau F W 16 [1914] S AL AL AL Havis Son M W 15 [1915] S AL AL AL Charles T. Son M W 05 [1924] S AL AL AL Clarence Son M W 02 [1928] S AL AL AL 1-11/12 Shelby County, Alabama Marriage Records John Strange and Manda E. Dover, January 6, 1859 James M. Dover and Hannah Holcombe, February 6, 1866 James M. Dover and Louisa Howard, March 6, 1870 O. O. Williams and Maggie Dover, 07/06/1898, 242 Shelby Co, AL Marriages --- Dover, James M/Holcombe, Jane Adelaid, 02/06/1866, 303,* Strange, John/Dover, Manda E., 01/06/1859, 349 Dover, Maggie/Williams, O. O., 07/06/1898, 242 Shelby County, Alabama Cemetery Records Nabors Cemetery Located on Mellow Drive, Saginaw/Longview Community. DOVER, Havis L. 07 Jan 1916 30 Nov 1985 CPL US Army WWII DOVER, Mary E. 08 Sep 1919 30 Mar 1987 "Bea"; Wife of Havis L. DOVER http://www.rootsweb.com/~alshelby/cemNabors.html -----Original Message----- From: sromanek [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dover] Death Certificate of John Dover-Shelby County, AL The following is the death certificate information of a ??? John Dover. I cannot make out for sure the first name on the certificate. It may simply say Mr. John Dover. The best I can tell this one should be indexed as this in the records Terry sent to the list a while back. This is a very hard document to read so there is a LOT of room for error. If anyone can provide more on who this is and their line I would really appreciate it. Name: John Dover Death Date: Oct 1936 Death County: Jefferson Volume: 48 Roll: 3 Page #: 23880 Death Certificate # 23880 County: Jefferson City or Town: Birmingham Place of Death: ???? Hospital Place of Residence: Alabama County: Shelby City or Town: Saginaw Full Name: ??? John Dover (May be Mr. John Dover) Sex: Male Race: White Marital Status: Widowed Date of Birth Oct. 13, 1879 Age: 57 Unemployed Birthplace: Shelby County Father: Mr. Jim? Dover Birthplace: Shelby County Mother: Adalaid Holcomb Birthplace: Unknown Informant: Mr. Harris Dover? Burial or Cremation: Vaughn????? Residence: Saginaw, Alabama Cause of Death: Contusion of Brain/Fractured Skull Contributory Cause: Cant read first part/Abrasions & Contusions External Cause: Automobile accident near Saginaw, Alabama Hospital Dr Signed Certificate at: Hellmin Hospital?? Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2004... 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Mike, this could be the same line. There are 25 marker DNA results from TJ's line from one person (Larry) that already connects perfectly with the Dover's in the Habersham County, Georgia and Buncombe County, North Carolina in the same 1830 census year. There is hope among a couple of us who know a Dover living in Arkansas that he will take the DNA test in a couple of months. He's almost certainly a descendant of a son of Lawson & Mary Dover that was living in Paris, Lafayette Co., MS in the 1860 census before going to Arkansas. Also in Banner, Calhoun County, Mississippi (1860 census) was the married daughter of Lawson & Mary Dover. Paris and Banner are 7.5 miles from each other. One DNA test from a family line has been just great so far but more than one test from the same line is very important. The president/founder of Family Tree DNA is off by one mutant in one marker with his own father (they are still DNA matches) yet he matches exactly in all markers with other family members. The important thing I think to understand about the DNA results so far is that some of us do match (are kin) even though we are off by one or two mutants in one marker. It's possible that the DNA marker "slip" occurred down the line meaning that ALL of us still related in one group could have matched up perfectly earlier. Any chance you would consider taking the DNA test? Larry from your line is off by one mutant in one marker with me. What if you and I matched perfectly and you are off by one mutant in one marker with Larry? I'm hoping someone from my line can be added to the tests .... maybe we are off by one mutant which could mean that they are a perfect match with others who are already perfect matches and "still" off by one mutant with me. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dover [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 5:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Dover] Death Certificate of John Dover-Shelby County, AL My gggrandfather,Thomas Jefferson Dover, married my gggrandmother,Meranzia Hayes, in Ponotoc Co. Mississippi In 1857. Family legend is that before he moved to Layfayette Co. Mississippi in the 1850s he lived in Tallapoosa Co. Al. and was married To Mariam S.E. Barnett. Could this be the same line? -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Dover [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Dover] Death Certificate of John Dover-Shelby County, AL