In a message dated 1/9/2004 10:55:53 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Obviously there's two Shad's because Morgan Dover in the deed is remembered > as Morgan Shade Dover ... from memory OK, Dennis, I'll see if I can explain this. There was a time, a number of years ago, based on what we knew at the time with limited census records and other data that I thought that Morgan Dover was the one that was md to Jemima Martin who was the d/o Michael Martin Jr (brother of Manning Martin md to Bershiber Dover).  That was in conflict with the Shade Dover that was named in LDS records and also a Martin book written by Jerry Jones.  I believe that where DD has the Morgan Shade Dover in his notes came from a combination of what probably should actually have read Morgan OR Shade Dover.  Part of the problem back then was info that was given in the LDS records on some of this group that gave dates of birth which were way off the mark.  Later down the line when we obtained more census records and were able to pin the son Morgan Dover's age down more, it turned out he was older than we had first thought and was actually living on his own in 1840 York Co.  The thinking had been that in 1840 he was closer in age to Shaderick Dover which turned out wrong according to later census records.  There was only one Shaderick Dover (b ca 1795) in York Co and only one Morgan Dover (b ca 1819) in York Co, SC.  Another confusing point in the early thinking was the Shared Dover indexed in the 1820 York Co, SC census.  There was a time when we weren't sure if that was Shaderick Dover or Sherod J Dover.  That was pretty well defined when the census record and other records were found in Rutherford Co, NC in 1830.  Sherod J's age in 1830 could not be the same as the "Shared" Dover in 1820 York. The 1820 census is listed in this order -- Manning Martin -- md to Bershiber Martin Michael Martin (Jr -- who would be the brother of Manning Martin) md to Mary Bolin Shared Dover -- Shaderick md to Jemima Martin who's father was Michael Martin Jr.   This Martin family is a very complicated family to follow.  They md many cousins and many people with the same surname who were all related.  They also used the same first names over & over down the lines.  I am going to include part of the notes that I did on this family 3 years ago after we had uncovered more information that changed the thinking on this family.  Jerry Jones mentioned in these notes was the author of a book done on this Martin family. ***************************************** Shaderick Dover md to Jemima Martin Notes of Sharon Sukiennik  << [email protected]  >>    12/2000 (revised 1/2004) Dennis, I have gone back and taken a good look at this stuff since you sent the Morgan Dover  data last night.  I am more confused than ever.  I know my reasoning for thinking that Shaderick was not the father of these kids and the one that was md to Jemima Martin -- for one, all the kids on the 1850 for him have nothing to do with any of Jemima's kids and the fact that 2 wives were named for him in military records and one was NOT named Jemima Martin.  Another part of my reasoning was the fact that BOTH Morgan Dover and Shaderick were listed on the 1840 census.  We didn't get the 1850 census for Morgan Dover until a few months ago when Seraphine got it.  I hadn't really compared the ages again until last night when I looked this all over and did some more thinking.  Have also always figured that Shared Dover on 1820 was SHEROD J DOVER who went to TX.  1820 YORK CO, SC (according to Jerry Jones this is Shaderick and he is listed next door to Michal Martin Jr) Shared    16-26  1794-1804  --  Shaderick Dover F            16-18  1802-1804  --  Jemima Martin M               -10  1810-1820 1830 YORK CO, SC Shaderich Dover  30-40  1790-1800  LIVING BY HIMSELF 1830 YORK CO, SC (p 6 Jerry Jones' book) Michal Martin (Jr) 1 m  50-60 Michal Martin (50) --- father of Jemima (Martin) Dover 1 f    50-60 Mary Martin (50) 1 f    20-30 Sarah Martin (22) 1 f    15-20 Elizabeth Martin (21) 1 m  15-20 Manning Martin (17) 1 m  15-20 unknown 1 f    10-15 unknown 1 m  10-15 John Martin (15) 1 m  10-15 Alexander Martin (13) 1 f      0-10 unknown 1 f      0-10 unknown 1 m    0-10 unknown 1 m    0-10 unknown 1 m    0-10 unknown 1 m    0-10 unknown NOTE:  Jones has no idea who all of the unknown kids are here.  The only sense that this would make is that these kids were Jemima's.  Hers could have all been born before 1830 and Shaderick is living by himself on 1830, so guess we have to assume that Jemima was already dead at this time if she was indeed md to Shaderick.  Shaderick is sure missing the wife and family he started on the 1820 census here if that's him.  ============= In the 1840 census p 275 for Michal Martin JR there are 4 male 10-15 and 4 female 5-10 that they have not named.  Elizabeth (Martin) Ray, his dau, who was widowed and some of her kids would account for part of the kids, but not all of them according to Jones. 1840 York Co, SC p 273 Morgan Dover 1 m 0-5 1 m 20-30  1810-1820 1 f  5-10 1 f 20-30 1840 York Co, SC 274 Shadrick Dover 1 M 40-50 1790-1800 1 F  30-40 1800-1810 1 F  10-15 1825-1835 1 M   5-10 1830-1840 1 M    - 5  1835-1840 1 F     - 5  1835-1840 ========== 1850 YORK CO, SC #1015 Nathaniel DOVER 24 1826 M laborer p 228 bro of Morgan Dover    Louisa ? 25 F    Amanda 2 F Bershiber (Dover) Martin, widow of Manning Martin is listed on the same page with Nathaniel and Morgan Dover and next door to Morgan. #1024           Barbara Martin                      55 NC -- Bershiber DOVER                     Nancy                                  27 York                     Robert L.                              11 York #1025 Morgan DOVER 31 M Farmer $200 p.228 s/o Jemima (Martin) Dover    Mary 13 F - 31? -age wrong here. Mary, wife, was 40 on 1960    Martha 13 F    Michael M. 12 M    Jamima 10 F    Mary 8 F    Jackson 22 M Laborer      bro of  Morgan   (1828)    Washington 22 M Laborer bro of Morgan    (1828) NOTE:  Age of Morgan Dover here would make it possible for Shaderick Dover to have been his father. Page 244 Shadarick Dover 55 1795 Laborer SC Elizabeth 40 SC 1810 Margaret 16 SC 1834 Mary 14 SC 1836 Frederick 12 SC 1838 Martha 11 SC 1839 James 10 SC 1840 Rebecca 7 SC 1843 Nancy 3 SC 1847 1850 York Co, SC p 231 # 1071 Michal Martin (JR) 80 (Jones says should be 70 at this time) Mary Martin          70 Delia                    16 Sarah                   13 NOTE:  Jones says these kids are the youngest daus of Mary Martin (who never md but had kids).  Says Mary, dau, had apparently died at this time. Mary Martin, widow of Michal Martin JR wrote her will 30 Jul 1854 and named Jemima's kids as part of her heirs.  Jemima was deceased already at the time of the writing as she is not named -- only her kids. After rethinking this --- I would have to say that Jones may be right in the fact that Shaderick Dover was md to Jemima Martin.  It would make sense IF you assume that Jemima had her family and died prior to the 1830 census and her children were living with her father Michal Martin JR on the 1830 census.  Shaderick had a wife and child on the 1820 census and is then living by himself on the 1830.  Then found with a different wife and kids on the 1840 & 1850 census. =============== This is the data that Jerry Jones gives for children of Jemima Martin/Shaderick Dover 1 Morgan Dover b 1831 2 Deliah Dover b 1833 3 Nathaniel Dover b 1835 4 Marilla Dover (Morella) b 1837 5 Washington (twin) b 1839 6 Jackson (twin) b 1839 In a lot of cases Jones gives census data, but he doesn't on this family. I have no idea how he arrived at these dates (LDS records?), but they could not be correct.  Below are the dates of birth for these kids after further research  --- SHADERICK DOVER md Jemima Martin b ca 1800 who was the d/o Mike Martin Jr / Mary Bolin. Children: 1  Morgan Martin Dover b 1819 md Mary Ramsey 2  Delilah Dover b ca 1833?? [should be ca 1823 -- ss] md Peterson Wesmoreland 3  Nathaniel Dover b ca 1826 4  Morella Dover b ca 1828/29 md Green Bolin (1828 from 1870 & 1829 from 1880) 5  Washington Dover b ca 1828 md Malinda Westmoreland 6  Jackson Dover b ca 1828 (Washington and Jackson Dover were twins) Taking the ages of the boys from 1850 census and Morella's from 1870/80 would look something like the above.  I've always figured that Deliah's date here was way too late, but don't have any census records on her to go off of.  They could've all been born before 1830. ------------------------------------ ADDITIONAL DATA    3 / 2003 The 1850 census for Peterson Westmoreland in York Co, SC shows that Delilah was 27 b ca 1823.  That would put her in the age range to have been born prior to 1830 with the others. 1850 YORK CO, SC      York Dist   p 263    IM 198 601 / 601 WESTMORELAND, Peterson  31  black smith  (all born York Dist) Delicee (Deliah)            27 -- b ca 1823  nee Dover Heartwell                     10 Sterling                         9 Leticia?                         6 Robert                           4 Edward                      6/12 ============ MICHAL MARTIN JR DEEDS In the book MARTIN'S by Jerry Jones, there are many deeds and land transactions for the early Martins. I am going to relate some of these that contain data about MORGAN DOVER. We can place the location of Michal Martin Jr with the following deed: 28 Jan 1832 -- Michal Martin Jr, leases 30 acres for 99 years for the purpose of mining gold and silver and minerals ......SITUATED ON GINE MOORE CREEK ON WHICH MICHAL MARTIN LIVED............... (Guyon Moores Cr) 10 Sep 1833 -- Michal Martin Jr. purchased 50 acres from Lewis Bolin and wife Viney (Martin) Bolin for $50.00 dollars. Land started at a post oak Wisher corner south to a pine stump Wisher corner north to a stake and north to a stake west to beginning. Reserved gold mineral rights on property. Witnessed by John Martin, William Ferguson and MORGAN DOVER. Proved 1 Oct 1833 by John Martin Recorded 24 Mar 1851. NOTE:  Would Morgan Dover have been old enough to have witnessed a deed in 1833?  This could be misleading -- It wasn't recorded until 1851 and maybe this was when Morgan witnessed it?  Would have to look at the deed itself to be sure here. 8 Dec 1840 -- Robert Love Jr, of York County leased to E. Westmoreland, John Martin and MORGAN DOVER to be in full shares and Alexander Martin, William Love, SHADRICK DOVER and John Authur as half shares a tract of land for a term of 50 years for the use of mining business beginning at Pattersons old corner SE John Mullinax land S by Caldwells SW by P. Loves land running S Pattersons line a small pease(piece) except around Wm. Loves spring. No others to search, work any mine or minerals and have free previledges of water and timber for the use offered and for the time offered. In return Robert Love Jr. to receive one tenth part of all gold that is got on the said land. If the E. Westmoreland Co. let the said land lie one year without working, they are to give up the claim to Robert Love as they never had begun. The said E. Westmoreland & Co. both agree to make a divide every week if coll on of all the gold that is made on said land. Witnessed by James Epps, Mannin Martin(s/oMichal Martin Jr), and Manning Martin Sr(s/oMichal Martin SR) Proved by Manning Martin(s/oMichal Martin Jr) 4 Jun 1841 recorded 4 Jun 1841. (NOTE: these people are identified by Jerry Jones. Doesn't say how he arrived at these identities) 5 Dec 1844 -- Michal Martin Jr, sold 250 acres to Morgan Martins Sr on Wolf Creek waters of Kings Creek of Broad River in two (2) tracts of Land for a sum of $400.00. Witnessed by MORGAN DOVER and Alexander Martin (s/oMichal Martin, Jr). Proved by MORGAN DOVER 16 June 1845. 23 Feb 1844 -- Michal Martin Jr, deeded to his son John Martin tract of land to be his at the death of Michal Jr. and his wife Mary. The river, being part of a tract formerly held by Michal Martin (SR) deceased. Sum of $500.00. Witnessed by Alexander Martin and MORGAN DOVER. Proved 3 Jun 1844. 23 Feb 1844 -- Michal Martin Jr. entered into an agreement with his sons Alexander and John Martin that he Michal Martin (Jr) would not settle anyone on the land bought by Alexander and John from him. In turn Alexander obligated himself to one third of all he raised on the land to Michal (Jr) or Mary his wife. Witnessed by Robert Whitesides and MORGAN DOVER. Proved by Robert Whitesides 16 Jan 1852. Recorded 16 Jan 1852. 23 Feb 1844 -- Michal Martin Jr. sold a tract of 89 acres with the exception of gold mines leased to Alexander Martin for $100.00. Said land to by his at the death of Michal (Jr) and Mary his wife. Witnessed by John Martin and MORGAN DOVER. Proved 4 Mar 1844 by MORGAN DOVER. NOTE: there was a forth deed on 23 Feb 1844 where Michal Martin Jr deeded his son Alexander Martin (at the time of his and Mary's death) on Moores Creek, south of Broad River, being part of a tract formerly belonging to Michal Martin SR. deceased. Sum $500.00. --- (I have shortened this one. ss) NOTE:  Jerry Jones says that no will was found for Michal Martin JR and notes it rather odd because of his many land transactions over the years. I think Michal Jr did a lot of his dividing in the 4 entries made 23 Feb 1844 and probably others. He goes on to say that Mary Martin, his wife wrote her will 14 days after her husband's death. 8 Feb 1864 -- Last will and testament of Mary Martin widow of Michal Martin (JR) was proved in open court. Children named in will: John Martin Morning Westmoreland Sarah Love Elizabeth Ray grandsons: Morgan Dover Nathan Dover Washington Dover Jackson Dover - [sons of Jemima (Martin) Dover who had died prior to the writing of the will which was dated 30 Jul 1854]. ********************************** 1860 U.S. Census • North Carolina • Cleveland • Unknown Townships Page 424     IM 215 #273 Shedric Dover 66 SC [1794] -- without a wife here. Rebecca 15 SC [1845] Nancey 13 SC [1847] John F. 03 SC [1857] **************************************** Now, to clarify what Dennis was saying about the court records for Hezekiah Dover in 1819 York Co, SC ---- We only have parts of this episode in the records that have been found so far.  Apparently from what we know, Hezekiah and Michael Dover were charged in the attack on Manning Martin who was md to Bershiber Dover at the time.  The next part of the record that we have was found by Janelle Dixon where Hezekiah Dover as well as Frederick Dover and Shaderick Dover were all posting bond in connection to this charge.  There has to be more in the records on this incident that just hasn't been found yet.  I don't think that Frederick & Shaderick were involved in the initial charge of the altercation --- only Michael & Hezekiah were actually named and charged by Manning Martin.  It could be that Janelle's find was where they were posting a bond as witnesses for either Hez or Michael.  It would sure be interesting and beneficial to know just what their part in this incident was.  We know at least that they had to have known each other and have to look at a possible family relationship as well.  We know that Michael, Sherod J, Frederick, and Francis Marion Dover all ended up in the Rutherford Co, NC at the same time as Hezekiah Dover around 1830 before coming to GA.  Hezekiah Dover is a documented brother of Francis J Dover.  There are LDS records turned in that say that Shaderick Dover was the s/o Elijah Dover (of York Co).  To date there has been no evidence found to indicate that as fact.  LDS records (except for actual record documents) for the most part is information given by people just like us.  The information given is not always correct and everything found in those records must be verified and documented or it's basically worthless.  To date, there is no known father of the Shaderick Dover who remained in the York Co, SC area, but I would have to agree with Dennis that Hezekiah would be a logical possibility.  Needs more research.  ***************************************** From Marjorie's posted Dover timeline from the other day, I've noticed another correction that needs to be made. <<  In 1832, Harriett Dover marries Alfred Hicks in Habersham County, GA; Susan Dover marries John Gunter; Hannah Dover marries W.W. Green (see deeds concerning Anderson and Allen Dover).  >> All of the Hab Co, GA marriage indexes that I have seen list the year of marriage for Susan Dover / John Gunter as 1832.  Problem is that I have a copy of the handwritten marriage record that I ordered from Hab Co and the actual date is 4 Dec 1829.  I have run across 3 or 4 marriage dates now from Hab Co where the actual record is different from what the index shows.  You did a really good job of pulling all this data together Marjorie.  Thanks! Sharon S