I, too, have some family members with darker skin, going back several generations at least. Our family lore also says we have some "indian" blood--older cousins recently told me that Frank Dover went back to Lumpkin County to "visit his indian relatives and came back with gold". His mother was Alanthey Chambers Dover, so our reference to indian blood comes not from the Dover line but from the Chambers line (James Chambers' daughter Alanthey married William Dover in 1842). She filed affidavits supporting her Indian blood through her father James Chambers, but she doesn't state who his mother or grandmother was. Thus far, I have not found a female descendant of the Chambers line to follow the matrilineal DNA. This would not explain that other Dover family members have a similar lore. It may be that the "mother" of Hezekiah and Francis was part indian, but we may never know. If their father was the John Dover who is supposed to have come over from England in 1700's, and he was married to an Indian woman, why then did he leave his millsite when there was indian trouble? If we find a female descendant of Mary Dover Hambright, that might be our best chance for supporting an indian heritage. Marjorie Dover Stansel line. that was. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Dover" <7_rddover@comcast.net> To: <DOVER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:39 AM Subject: RE: [Dover] Francis Dover - 1/2 Cherokee? > I've heard the family story, too. Actually on both sides of my family. > I've > been able to get back several generations on most sides and haven't run > across any proof yet. > > While I'm with Dennis and say you can't knock family lore and > "traditions", > you also can't put it in down as black and white. Cousin Sharon used to > have > the signature line "Genealogy without proof is mythology." > > My dad had a look about him of Native American. Can I put that down as > proof? I have none of the look, but do have some characteristics. > > We've got to have proof. I think DNA is the strongest proof for something > like this and in Dennis' and other Dover cases I think the DNA is pretty > conclusive. But I'm not throwing the family lore out the window. (Is that > speaking out of both sides of my mouth?) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gayle Calabrese [mailto:gaelcee1@bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:17 PM >> To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [Dover] Francis Dover - 1/2 Cherokee? >> >> I always feel that where there is smoke there is fire, as the >> saying go. It s interesting for sure. >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> From: Dennis Dover >> Date: 11/29/05 16:09:21 >> To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [Dover] Francis Dover - 1/2 Cherokee? >> >> Gayle, no male Dover DNA shows any Native American. I went so >> far as to get Native American results within my other DNA >> markers and it came back so minor as to barely be above zero >> with decimals. That surprised me. I "think" I know better in >> my family. Some of the Kell's supposedly have Cherokee but >> the closest I have come for location and time with Dover/Kell >> is old Pendleton, Rabun Co. and Gilmer Co. I asked Bill Dover >> about the Kells, one of the reasons for sending him the Mary >> Fox claim. >> >> There has to be Cherokee family connections, so I'm not in >> denial about that at all. I would be the last one to take >> that position. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gayle Calabrese [mailto:gaelcee1@bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:12 AM >> To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [Dover] Francis Dover - 1/2 Cherokee? >> >> Dennis, The Cherokee connection with Bill Dover was negated >> when he was found not to have Cherokee blood at all. This was >> a big issue down here several years ago. It was in all the >> newspapers. Also I have Cherokee by Blood and am curious >> where "Answer: Kells and Dovers were enrolled" can be found? >> All of my info shows only their rejections. It is strange how >> the Cherokee claims keep on repeating among the Dovers. Which >> DNA group of the Dovers shows Native American via the Dover men? >> >> >> >> >> ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== >> If you need to contact the Listmanager, >> please send your message to, Patricia at mmanson@snet.net >> >> >> >> >> ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== >> Dover resources at surname web >> http://www.surnameweb.org/registry/d/o/v/dover.shtml >> > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Dover Genforum > http://genforum.genealogy.com/dover/ >