Did you recieve the copy I sent of TJ Dover and Maranzy Hayes marriage certificate ? Mike Dover >From: <mmanson@snet.net> >Reply-To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com >To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Dover] test message. Just delete >Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:03:30 -0500 > >Hi > >A few address have been bouncing, >so I am just sending this out so I can find out why, when I get the bounced >mail back, > >Happy Holidays >Paticia > > >==== DOVER Mailing List ==== >Dover resources at Rootsweb >http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/d/o/DOVER/ > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

I do not think these have been posted before. I could not find the ones I searched for in the list archives. If this is a re-post please forgive me. Source: Rutherford Digital Courier ======== Harvey Dover Harvey L. Dover, 79, of Rutherfordton, died Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004, at White Oak Manor. A native of Gaston County, he was a son of the late William Dover and Sallie Christenburg Dover; retired from Southern Bell with 38 years of service; and an Army Air Corp veteran of World War II. He is survived by his wife, Joyce Blanton Dover of Rutherfordton; a daughter, Sandra Kistler of Shelby; two brothers, W. J. Dover, Jr. and Everette S. Dover, both of Gastonia; two grandchildren. Funeral services will be held at 11 a.m. Wednesday at the First Baptist Church, Rutherfordton, with the Rev. Dean Baughn officiating. Burial will follow in the Sunset Memorial Park with Masonic Rites. The family will receive friends from 10 a.m. to 11 a.m. on Wednesday in the church fellowship hall. Memorials may be made to the charity of one's choice. McMahan's Funeral Home is in charge of arrangements. ========= Troy Dover Troy Ann Dover, 41, of 372 Hudlow Rd., Forest City, died Saturday, May 14, 2005, at Hospice of Rutherford County. She was the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Thomas Williams. In addition to her husband, Derrick Dover of Forest City, she is survived by two daughters, Angelica Nicole Dover and Ericka Dover of the home; four sisters, Teressa Williams of Spindale, Shelia Surratt of Ellenboro, Tiffany Lattimore of San Antonio, Texas, and Laura Floyd of Alexandria, Va.; four brothers, William Harris of Shelby, Dwayne Harris of Forest City, Thomas Williams, Jr., and Adrian Williams of Henrietta. Funeral services will be conducted at 3 p.m. Wednesday at New Zion Baptist Church, Henrietta with the Rev. Tony Giles officiating. Burial will follow in the Oak Grove Cemetery, Forest City. The body will lie in state at 2 p.m. Thompson's Mortuary, Inc., is in charge of arrangements. ============ Jerry Dover Jerry Lee Dover, 51, of 775 S. Church St., Forest City, died Sunday, Feb. 21, 2004, at Rutherford Hospital after a brief illness. The son of Verneva Dover Booker, of the home, and the late June Petty, he was a former employee of Music City Records. In addition to his mother, he is survived by one daughter, Angel Logan of Forest City; one brother, Junior Lee Dover of Forest City; three sisters, Patricia Ann Dover of Forest City, and Paulene And Veronia Petty, both of Avondale; and one grandchild. Funeral services will be held at 2 p.m. Saturday, at New Bethel A.M.E. Zion Church with the Rev. Leroy Staley officiating. Viewing will be one hour prior to the service. Burial will follow in the Oak Grove Missionary Baptist Church Cemetery. =========== Misty Dover Misty Harrill Dover, 25, of 178 Big Island Road, Apt. #4A, Spindale died Saturday, April 17, 2004, at her home. She was the daughter of the late Ranea Denise Hodge Collins and the late Douglas Harrill. She worked for Manpower of Shelby. She is survived by her stepfather, Vernon Collins of Henrietta; her husband, Horace Lee Dover of the home; two sons, Kendall Lee Dover and Jace Douglas Dover of the home; one brother, Joe Harrill of Charlotte and grandmother, Juanite McClellan Hodge of Forest City. Burial will be Friday at 3:30 p.m. at Shiloh Baptist Church Cemetery. Pruitt Funeral Home is in charge of arrangements. ========= Frances Bailey Henson Frances Bailey Henson, 70, of 3978 Barclay Rd., Boiling Springs, died Friday, Sept. 12, 2003, at Cleveland Regional Medical Center. A native of Cleveland County, she was the daughter of the late Sammy Columbus and Blanche Tessner Bailey, and the widow of the late Paul Junior Henson. She was a homemaker, and was a member of Goode's Grove Baptist Church. She was preceded in death by a brother, Columbus Bailey, and a grandchild, Miranda Paige Dover. She is survived by two sons, Joe Dean Henson of Shelby and Mike Henson of Boiling Springs; five daughters, Barbara Spencer of Gaffney, Kathy Stone of Shelby, Patsy Henson and Lisa Henson of the home, and Penny Dover of Mooresboro; a brother, Joe Bailey of Mooresboro; two sisters, Louise Allison and Alleen Beheler, both of Mooresboro; 11 grandchildren; and three great-grandchildren. Funeral services will be held at 4 p.m. Monday at Goodes Grove Baptist Church with the Rev. Steve Durham officiating. Burial will follow in the church cemetery. The body will lie in state 30 minutes prior to the service. The body will be at the home, 3978 Barclay Rd., Boiling Springs, where the family will receive friends. McKinney-Landreth Funeral Home is in charge of the arrangements. A guest register is available at www.mckinneylandrethfuneralhome.com. ========== Norris Whisnant Norris Whisnant, 65, of 1300 Gilbert St., Shelby, formerly of Rutherford County, died Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004, at Baptist Hospital in Winston-Salem. A native of Iron Station, he was a son of the late Millard Whisnant and Gussie Terry Whisnant. He was a member of Round Hill Baptist Church and a retired supervisor for Spanco. He is survived by his wife, Ethel Dover Whisnant of the home; three daughters, Suzanne Diehl of Hendersonville, Candy Caldwell of Lincolnton, and Tonya McGee of Clover; a son, Thomas Whisnant of Waco, Tex.; one grandson; two brothers, Horace Whisnant and Steve Whisnant, both of Forest City; one sister, Juanita Padgett of Shelby. Funeral services will be held at 3 p.m. Friday at Cleveland Funeral Services Chapel, Shelby, with the Rev. Ken Pruitt officiating. The family will receive friends from 1 to 3 p.m., prior to the service, at the funeral chapel. An online register is available at www.clevelandfuneralservice.com. ========= Mitchell Payne Mitchell Payne, 60, of Forest City, died Sunday, Jan. 11, 2004, at his home. A son of the late Broadus and Mary Payne, he was a member of Wells Spring United Methodist Church, Forest City. Mr. Payne was a former employee of Forest Dale Laundry and Thompson Cleaners, both in Forest City, and City Cleaners in Spindale. He is survived by his wife, Earnesteen Miller Payne of Rutherfordton; one son, Jim Price of Forest City; two daughters, Tammy Price of Forest City, and Annette Dover of Georgetown, Texas; two sisters, Nellie Payne of Forest City, and Margie Smith of Spindale; four grandchildren. Funeral services will be held at 3 p.m. Saturday at Wells Spring United Methodist Church with the Rev. Effie McClain officiating. The body will lie in state one hour prior to the service. Burial will follow in the church cemetery. Thompson Brothers Funeral Home has charge of arrangements. ========= Ranea Collins Ranea Denise Hodge Collins, 50, of 2154 Harris-Henrietta Rd., Mooresboro, died Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at her residence. A native of Rutherford County, she was the daughter of George William Hodge and Juanita McCellan Hodge of Forest City. She was employed by Watts Regulator of Chesnee and was a member of New Harvest Church. In addition to her mother, she is survived by her husband, Vernon Collins of the home; a son, Joe Harrill of Charlotte; a daughter, Misty Dover of Spindale; a step-daughter, Chasity Lynn Collins of Greenville, S.C.; a brother, George Hodge of Sunshine; two sisters, Peggy Hodge of Myrtle Beach, S.C., and Reba Hodge of Forest City; and three grandchildren. Funeral services will be held at 2:30 p.m. Friday at New Harvest Church with the Rev. Ronnie Robbins officiating. Burial will follow in Rutherford County Memorial Cemetery. Visitation will be held from 7 until 8:30 p.m. Thursday at McKinney-Landreth Funeral Home. A guest register is available at www.mckinneylandrethfuneralhome.com. ========= Vonnie Taylor Vonnie Mullinax Taylor, 61, of 1198 Hopper Rd., Rutherfordton, died Wednesday, Feb. 12, 2003, at her home. A native of Gaston County, she was a daughter of Edward Patrick Mullinax and Lucy Iowa Davis Mullinax. She was a graduate of Isothermal Community College certified nursing assistant program. She was retired from Home Health Care of Rutherford County where she was a certified nursing assistant. She was a member of Holly Springs Baptist Church. She is survived by her husband, Nathan Buster "Buck" Taylor of the home; two sons, Chris Taylor of Forest City and Joe Taylor of Rutherfordton; one daughter, Dixie Burgess of Forest City; one brother, Tony Mullinax of Forest City; four sisters, Gail Stroupe and Dot Dover of Gastonia, Diane Wright of Casar, and Faye Kirland of High Shoals, and four grandchildren. A memorial service will be held at 7 p.m. Saturday at Holly Springs Baptist Church with Dr. Wade Huntley officiating. The family will receive friends from 6 to 7 p.m. prior to the funeral. Burial will be at 11 a.m. Saturday in the church cemetery. Memorials may be made to Hospice of Rutherford County. Cleveland Funeral Services of Shelby is in charge of arrangements. ======== Roosevelt Randolph Roosevelt Randolph, 64, of 133 Fairfax Dr., Ellenboro, died Tuesday, Jan. 28, 2003, at Rutherford Hospital. A native of Yancey County, he was a son of the late Willard Albert and Bonnie R. Randolph. He was a resident of Washington, D.C., for 32 years and a former employee of Merkle Press. Randolph was a veteran of the Army and employed by Torrington for the past 15 years. He is survived by a daughter, Shelly Glawson Milam of Ellenboro; three brothers, Dover Randolph of Forest City, Ernest Parker of Morganton, and Roland Parker of Old Fort; one sister, Irene Wyatt of Ellenboro, and three grandchildren. Funeral services will be held at 11 a.m. Friday at Harrelson Funeral Home with the Rev. Joe Forbes officiating. Graveside services will be held at 2 p.m. Friday in the Western Carolina State Veteran's Cemetery in Black Mountain. The family will receive friends Thursday from 7 to 9 p.m. at the funeral home. ============ Deborah Peterson Deborah Glinn Richards Peterson, 52, of 220 Timberland Dr., Grover, died Friday, July 8, 2005, at Hospice at Wendover Heights in Shelby. A native of Cleveland County, she was a daughter of the late James Edley and Anna Glinn Tanner Richards. She worked as a machinist for Eaton Corporation and attended Love Valley Baptist Church in Kings Mountain. She is survived by two daughters, Jamie Schrader of Grover, and Christie Dover of Polkville; one sister, Barbara R. Brown of Casar; one brother, Jimmie Richards of Casar; and seven grandchildren. Funeral services will be held at 3:30 p.m. Tuesday at Stamey Funeral Home Chapel in Fallston. Pastor Barry Philbeck will officiate. Burial will follow in the Pisgah Baptist Church cemetery. Visitation will be held Monday from 6 to 8 p.m. at the funeral home. Memorials may be made to Hospice & Palliative Care Cleveland County, 951 Wendover Heights, Shelby, NC 28150. Online condolences www.stameyfuneralhome.com. =========== Robert Blanton Robert Blanton, 84, of 2073 Harris-Henrietta Rd., Mooresboro, died Thursday, Oct. 28, 2004, at his residence. A native of Cleveland County, he was a son of the late William Clifton and Cora Royster Blanton, and the widower of Vennie Bingham Blanton. He was a member of Goodes Grove Baptist Church and retired from J&C Dying. He is survived by five sons, Bill Blanton of Clover, S.C., Cleo Blanton and Horace Blanton, both of Shelby, Jimmy Blanton of Marshall, Texas, and Lawerence Blanton of Cliffside; five daughters, Catherine Blanton of Rutherfordton, Mary Jane Shelton of Morganton, Julie Dover of Shelby, Sharon Walker of Ellenboro, and Heidi Smith of Spartanburg, S.C.; one brother, Carl Blanton of Shelby; two sisters, Hannah Deaton and Marjorie Hamilton, both of Boiling Springs; 30 grandchildren; 52 great-grandchildren; and 16 great-great-grandchildren. Funeral services will be held at 1:30 p.m. Sunday at Goodes Grove Baptist Church with the Revs. Lawerence Toney and Robert Hensley officiating. Burial will follow in the church cemetery. The family will receive friends Saturday from 7 to 9 p.m. at McKinney-Landreth Funeral Home. Memorials may be made to Goode's Grove Baptist Church Building Fund at PO Box 117, Mooresboro, N.C. 28114. Online guest book at www.mckinneylandrethfuneralhome.com. ========= Russell Weaver Russell Walden Weaver, 72, of 744 Old Hwy. 221, Rutherfordton, died Sunday, Jan. 12, 2003, at his residence. A native of Polk County, he was a son of the late Otis M. and Mary Green Weaver. He worked as a meat cutter for Community Cash, Quincy's, and Western Sizzlin Steak House. He was a member of Bright Water Baptist Church in Hendersonville. He is survived by his wife, Pauline Pittman Weaver of Rutherfordton; four daughters, Ann Blankenship, Libbie McDaniel, Joy Quinton, and Martha Robbins, all of Rutherfordton; two brothers, Delano Weaver of Chesnee, S.C., and Zeb Weaver of Inman, S.C.; two sisters, Mildred Wheelon and Molly Dover, both of Spartanburg, S.C.; 14 grandchildren, and two great-grandchildren. Funeral services will be held at 2 p.m. Tuesday at Crowe's Funeral Chapel with the Revs. Wade Huntley and Robert Toney officiating. Burial will follow in the Sunset Memorial Park. Visitation was held Monday from 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. at Crowe's. In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to Hospice of Rutherford County, P.O. Box 336, Forest City, NC 28043. Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: sromanek@salisbury.net Secondary e-mail: sromanek@hotmail.com Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen, Blancett I hear ethereal whispers, persuasive, soft and still, "Daughter, if you don't remember us, who will ?"-----------

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: dover Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/pRT.2ACEB/503.1.1 Message Board Post: we have a elizabeth dover born to david washington dover sr. she was born november 29,1841 in talladega, alabama

Hi A few address have been bouncing, so I am just sending this out so I can find out why, when I get the bounced mail back, Happy Holidays Paticia

Based on location (Indiana), Richard Owen and Polly Dover are not the same as William Owen(s) and Mary Dover. It seems coincidental, however, that two Dovers (Polly/Mary) married two Owen(s) males in two different states. Marjorie Dover Stansel ----- Original Message ----- From: <pami54@aol.com> To: <DOVER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: [Dover] Re: Richard Owen/Polly Dover Owen > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/pRT.2ACEB/505.1 > > Message Board Post: > > I have Richard Owen who Married Elizabeth Dover. She could have been > nicknamed Polly. She was born 1835 and Richard was born about 1831. They > are listed in the 1860 Greene County, INDIANA census. I never could find > anything further. > > Let me know. > > Source:1860 Census, Greene Co, Fair Play Twp, page 47 (page 473) > dwelling 336 family 347 > 4 Park Dover 21 > 5 Angeline Dover 18 > 6 Joseph Dover 24 > > dwelling 337 family 348, > 7 Richard J Owen 29 > 8 Elizabeth Owen 25 > 9 Asbery Dover 24 > 10 Nancy Dover 21 > 11 Sarah Ann Dover 2 > 12 John Hogue 17 > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Dover resources at Rootsweb > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/d/o/DOVER/ >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/pRT.2ACEB/505.1 Message Board Post: I have Richard Owen who Married Elizabeth Dover. She could have been nicknamed Polly. She was born 1835 and Richard was born about 1831. They are listed in the 1860 Greene County, INDIANA census. I never could find anything further. Let me know. Source:1860 Census, Greene Co, Fair Play Twp, page 47 (page 473) dwelling 336 family 347 4 Park Dover 21 5 Angeline Dover 18 6 Joseph Dover 24 dwelling 337 family 348, 7 Richard J Owen 29 8 Elizabeth Owen 25 9 Asbery Dover 24 10 Nancy Dover 21 11 Sarah Ann Dover 2 12 John Hogue 17

Richard should be William Owen(s), and Polly is Mary Dover, daughter of Frederick and Jane Dover of Lumpkin County. Here's what I have on them to date: In 1850, Mary Dover and William F. Owens were living next door to Frederick and Jane. They had married in Habersham in 1846. A daughter Mary's age is missing from the 1840 census records for Fred and Jane Dover. Mary is 25, states she is born in Tennessee (as did Noah Dover); William Owen is 32, has $150 in property and was born in South Carolina. They have a daughter Elizabeth who is one year old. In 1860, Mary and William are living in Mount Yonah (p.442), White County, GA. Owens, William F., 44, Farmer 150/150/NC Owens, Mary, 33, b. NC Elizabeth, 10, b. GA Henry, 8, b. GA Virginia 4, b. GA Luvena M., 2, b. GA. In 1870, they are at Cleveland, White County, GA, p. 54A: William Owen, 52, NC, Farmer Mary Owen, 46, NC Elizabeth Owen, 20 Howell, 18 (Henry) Mellissa 15 (Virginia or Luvena, the other is missing) Wofford 9 Benjamin 6 Houston 2 In 1880, they are at Blue Creek in White County, GA, p. 542D William Owens, 64, Farmer Mary Dover Owens, 54, NC/NC/NC Malissa, 23 Louisa 21(wasn't on last census, maybe this is the one missing from the earlier census) Benjamin 15 Asberry (Houston) 13 William (Wofford) 19 In 1900, Asberry Owens was a lodger with the family of Thomas Cantrell in White County. Also in 1900, William Owens, b. September 1829, and Mary Owens, b. August 1925, were living in Hart County, town of Hall. They had been married 44 years. She stated she had 5 children and 4 were living. She actually had 7 children. He was a farmer. Here, Mary states she was born in South Carolina, that her father was born in South Carolina, and that her mother was born in North Carolina. Marjorie Dover Stansel ----- Original Message ----- From: <marthaandarchie@aol.com> To: <DOVER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:25 AM Subject: [Dover] Richard Owen/Polly Dover Owen > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Dover, Owen, Owens, Dover, > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/pRT.2ACEB/505 > > Message Board Post: > > Trying to get ANY info available on above. Death certificate > of Benjamin Lafayette Owen states that Richard was father and Polly was > mother. > > Please post a reply, should you have any information. > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Dover resources at Rootsweb > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/d/o/DOVER/ >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/pRT.2ACEB/503.1 Message Board Post: Does your group have a Richard Owen married to Polly Dover? If so, I would love to hear. Also, should there be a connection I would appreciation info on the reunion Thanks Martha Bigelow

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Dover, Owen, Owens, Dover, Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/pRT.2ACEB/505 Message Board Post: Trying to get ANY info available on above. Death certificate of Benjamin Lafayette Owen states that Richard was father and Polly was mother. Please post a reply, should you have any information.

I ran across Abraham C. Dover land records, dated 3/26/1842 in Linn County, Missouri I then found AC Dover in Name: A C Dover Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1800 Birth place: North Carolina Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Blue, Jackson, Missouri wife: Margaret and several children Was this the son of Philip?

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: NC Land Grant Abstracts Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:52:59 -0800 From: Terry Jackson <jacksont@otelco.net> To: "dover-l@rootsweb.com" <DOVER-L@rootsweb.com> I'm not sure if I've found anything to add to the soup pot or not. Abstracts of Land Entrys Tryon & Lincoln Co., NC 1778-1780 by A.B. Pruitt (1987) #70 granted; discontinued. Francis Dover claims 100 ac in Lincoln Co. on Jacks Br of Buffaloe Cr; about 0.75 mile below path from John Dover's and Joseph Gladden's; includes a shoal; entered Feb. 3, 1784; L10 (I can't figure out how to make my keyboard do the English L, is it shillings or pounds?) Tryon / Lincoln Co., NC Land Entrys 1778-1780 #172 warrant to be granted to Joseph Sladen. John Dover claims 200 ac in Tryon Co on Long Br of Besons Cr; first improved by Henry Davis and lincludes "his" improvement; entered Apr. 23, 1778; L6.4 Tryon / Lincoln Co., NC Land Entrys 1808-1825 #22 granted. Archibald Graham claims 50 ac on waters of Buffalo Cr on Long Br; border: Dover's old line and Harris; entered Apr. 19, 1808 Rutherford Co., NC Land Entrys 1779-1795 #495 (182) Mar. 10, 1785 Josep Carpenter (or Johiph Carpinder) enters 100 ac on a branch of Nob Cr; includes Doover (or Dovover) old field and a branch; granted to self.

This came across the Bladen Co., NC list. Thought I would forward it in case it links up with someone on the list. Take Care, Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: sromanek@salisbury.net Secondary e-mail: sromanek@hotmail.com Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen, Blancett I hear ethereal whispers, persuasive, soft and still, "Daughter, if you don't remember us, who will ?"----------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <viola5596@aol.com> To: <NCBLADEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:52 PM Subject: [NCBLADEN-L] Carroll Decendents > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HSB.2ACE/1657 > > Message Board Post: > > Looking for Thomas E. Carroll went to York S.C. married Mary ( Jane ) > Dover born 5-10-1866 first son born was James Johnny Washington Carroll > born 11-24-1890 , William Krosom Carroll10-29-1894 Jeff Augustus Carroll > ? Micheal Horton Carroll ? Mary Jane Carroll 1-18-1908 I don"t know > where my Thomas E. Carroll came from or what his father or mothers name > was, but on a census it said N.C.was where he was born can anyone help ? > boo w > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/pRT.2ACEB/504 Message Board Post: Hello, I am looking for family or friends to Luther Dover. He attended York High school during the period of 1970 to 1973. He passed away in !986 I believe. It is very important that I am able to speak to someone from his family. If anyone knows how I might beable to contact them or let them know to contact me I would Greatly appreciate it. THank you so much and you can email me anytime at flameteazer@aol.com

All of these posts are rather intriquing and pose as many questions as anything. There are a few other tidbits to consider, when thinking about all this. I'm not much on remembering the fine points of history, but do know for sure that the area where the Dovers settled in York Co. SC is just as close to the Catawba Indian area as it was to the Cherokees (Catawbas were and are a different group). I believe the Cherokee were not nearly as accepting of the white man's invasion as were the Catawbas, who befriended the whites early on (and look what that got them-not much good). So for anyone claiming Indian heritage from that area, they need to keep in mind that there were more than one tribe around. Marjorie pointed out that it seems odd that old John Dover would have left the York Co area when there was an Indian uprising (per document repeated on this list a number of times)-we also need to remember that Col. Frederick Hambright, who married Mary Dover, was an Indian fighter before the Revolution. Janelle

Compiled Service Records Union troops Sheet #1 Martin M. Dover Co. D, 5th Reg't. TN Mtd. Inf. Appears on Company Descriptive Book of the organization named above. Description. Age: 24 yrs. Height: 5 feet, 6 inches Complexion: light Eyes: Hazel Hair: Light Where born: Gilmer Co., Ga. Occuopation: Farmer Enlistment. When: Aug. 31, 186_ Where: Riceville By whom: Henry Rice Term: 1 yr. Remarks: Sheet #2 M.M. Dover Pvt., Co. D, 5th Reg.'t TN Mtd. Inf. Appears on Returns as follows: June 1865 Loss June 26, 65--Chattanooga, Tenn. Mustered out in accrodance with instructions by telegram from W.D. dated May 29, 65.

Compiled Service Records Union troops Sheet #1 Green L. Dover Co. D, 5th Reg't TN Mtd. Inf. Appears on Company Descriptive Book of the organization named above. Description. Age: 34 Height: 5 feet, 6 inches Complexion: Fair Eyes: Hazel Hair: Light Where born: Gilmer Co. Occupation: Farmer Enlistment. When: 8-31-186_ Where: Riceville, TN By whom: J.D. Porter Term: 1 yr. Remarks: Sheet #2 G.L. Dover Pvt., Co. D, 5th Reg't. TN Mtd. Inf. Appears on Returns as follows: April 1865 on duty scout. June 1865 Loss June 26, 65 Chattanooga, Tenn. Mustered out in accordance with instructions by telegram from W.D. dated May 27, 65.

In a message dated 11/30/2005 5:39:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, 7_rddover@comcast.net writes: I've heard the family story, too. Actually on both sides of my family. I've been able to get back several generations on most sides and haven't run across any proof yet. The fact that the claims were rejected back then did not mean that they were not Native American. It only meant that they didn't qualify for the Gov money because in most cases their familes had not enrolled at the time required in order to be entitiled to the money. There really is no doubt in my mind that the Cross were Indian at some point. The problem is with knowing just how much and where it came from because of the inconsistances in what the descendants were claiming. These claims were all about getting the Gov money and I'm sure were embellished in many cases. This is a link where you can check the names from the Guion Miller Rolls of the Eastern Cherokee --- _http://www.archives.gov/research/arc/native-americans-guion-miller.html_ (http://www.archives.gov/research/arc/native-americans-guion-miller.html) I have looked at other links with indexed names for other tribes found on many of the OK county website links. If you aren't familiar with these claims, they are a wonderful genealogical source. In many cases they give parents, grandparents, aunts & uncles, siblings, children and also dob's, places born, etc. As with most things, you should still verify the info because they do contain some incorrect data as well. These claims are usually all linked to an original claim and the numbers are usually running in consecutive order for the same family groupings. Women are listed by married names in the index. The first claims that I got years ago were ordered from Wash DC but they are much easier to get now. Think you can order them online and you can find the microfilmed rolls in most of the state archive libraries if I'm not mistaken. They also had to have sworn statements by people who knew them to be honest & truthful that are also included in the files which can also be clues for finding other data. The file contains all the correspondence connected to each claim. Some of the claims that I've read are really eye opening to see just how little many of these people really knew about their families past their own parents & siblings. Many could not name grandparents. Several I've read had father's that wandered off and nothing was known about them or their families. I've learned over the years that families back then didn't necessarily keep up with each other any better than we sometimes do today. There are Dover who filed. Mary (Whitice) Dover, wife of William Dover s/o John & Elizabeth __? of York Co, SC filed through her father and many of her descendants also filed. There are some other Dover in GA that filed, but at the time we were looking at those, there was no known connection to Francis J Dover. Need to dig those back out and look at them again sometime because with some of the surprises that came out with the DNA project, some may actually link up now. Think I have most of the Dover claims here somewhere. Census records are also good clues. In some cases the Indians were listed separately in census rolls -- I have seen some in SC and GA. In 1870 many were listed as people of color because there wasn't a separate listing for Indians. Beginning about 1900 many will show up giving US or United States as place of birth. I was told one time in the earlier census records that if the husband was white, the wife & kids were usually listed white as well in most cases even though they might be Indian. I have heard the repeated story of many people who would NOT claim to be Indian or talk about it even with their own families throughout my research so apparently there were many people who did not wish to be known as Indian. Some of the claims of Black Dutch and Black Irish can also be linked in some cases to a mix of Indian heritage for those trying to conceal Indian heritage. It's interesting reading. In today's world to claim Indian heritage for actual tribal enrollment, think each tribe has their own criteria from what I've read. Some are very hard to meet. Apparently, from what little I know, there must have been many Cherokee who remained in the Hab Co GA area as I have run across many other researchers of other surnames in that area who also claim Indian heritage. These early families were so intermarried with each other, you just have to start peeling away the layers to see where it leads you. I had heard at one time that some of the Anderson Dover / Jane Cross descendants had filed claims and were successful in getting the money. A couple or so years ago, I was told by Billie Helton, who is one of the older researchers that it was true, but that they had filed through their Green ancestors and not through Dover or Cross. She is a descendant of the Hannah Dover / Wm Washington Green family. Hannah was the d/o Anderson and the mother of Jesse Mercer Green who left us with his memoirs of the family in 1912. I'm still on the fence when it comes to Indian blood in Francis J Dover. I'd really like to see something more than the one claim that just mentions him before I form a real opinion about the situation one way or the other. There's still just too many blanks. I would sure like to know more about the Posey wife who mothered his children as well. One branch of a family that I have researched had always maintained the old grandma was full blood Indian. Even when presented with the fact that her father came over on a boat from England at the age of 7, they couldn't or didn't want to understand that meant the most she could be was 1/2 Indian. Guess maybe it didn't make for as good a story to tell. You never know the turns that family research will take. Recently while working on this Cross research which is one of my maternal lines, I discovered that a dau of Robert Cross b ca 1803 GA married into a Barron family in AL and moved to Smith Co, TX where I live. Just so happens that my paternal grandmother was a Barron and it was her family that Robert's dau married into. She married the brother of my grandmother's g grandfather. My maternal Cross/Dover connection was in AR by 1860 > West TX > OK > West TX > to East TX late 1930's. My paternal lines all went straight through GA > AL to East TX pre Civil War. There was nearly 100 year gap in time before these families crossed paths again to create me. These families took very different routes and still ended up back together down the line. Sharon S

I, too, have some family members with darker skin, going back several generations at least. Our family lore also says we have some "indian" blood--older cousins recently told me that Frank Dover went back to Lumpkin County to "visit his indian relatives and came back with gold". His mother was Alanthey Chambers Dover, so our reference to indian blood comes not from the Dover line but from the Chambers line (James Chambers' daughter Alanthey married William Dover in 1842). She filed affidavits supporting her Indian blood through her father James Chambers, but she doesn't state who his mother or grandmother was. Thus far, I have not found a female descendant of the Chambers line to follow the matrilineal DNA. This would not explain that other Dover family members have a similar lore. It may be that the "mother" of Hezekiah and Francis was part indian, but we may never know. If their father was the John Dover who is supposed to have come over from England in 1700's, and he was married to an Indian woman, why then did he leave his millsite when there was indian trouble? If we find a female descendant of Mary Dover Hambright, that might be our best chance for supporting an indian heritage. Marjorie Dover Stansel line. that was. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Dover" <7_rddover@comcast.net> To: <DOVER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:39 AM Subject: RE: [Dover] Francis Dover - 1/2 Cherokee? > I've heard the family story, too. Actually on both sides of my family. > I've > been able to get back several generations on most sides and haven't run > across any proof yet. > > While I'm with Dennis and say you can't knock family lore and > "traditions", > you also can't put it in down as black and white. Cousin Sharon used to > have > the signature line "Genealogy without proof is mythology." > > My dad had a look about him of Native American. Can I put that down as > proof? I have none of the look, but do have some characteristics. > > We've got to have proof. I think DNA is the strongest proof for something > like this and in Dennis' and other Dover cases I think the DNA is pretty > conclusive. But I'm not throwing the family lore out the window. (Is that > speaking out of both sides of my mouth?) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gayle Calabrese [mailto:gaelcee1@bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:17 PM >> To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [Dover] Francis Dover - 1/2 Cherokee? >> >> I always feel that where there is smoke there is fire, as the >> saying go. It s interesting for sure. >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> From: Dennis Dover >> Date: 11/29/05 16:09:21 >> To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [Dover] Francis Dover - 1/2 Cherokee? >> >> Gayle, no male Dover DNA shows any Native American. I went so >> far as to get Native American results within my other DNA >> markers and it came back so minor as to barely be above zero >> with decimals. That surprised me. I "think" I know better in >> my family. Some of the Kell's supposedly have Cherokee but >> the closest I have come for location and time with Dover/Kell >> is old Pendleton, Rabun Co. and Gilmer Co. I asked Bill Dover >> about the Kells, one of the reasons for sending him the Mary >> Fox claim. >> >> There has to be Cherokee family connections, so I'm not in >> denial about that at all. I would be the last one to take >> that position. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gayle Calabrese [mailto:gaelcee1@bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:12 AM >> To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [Dover] Francis Dover - 1/2 Cherokee? >> >> Dennis, The Cherokee connection with Bill Dover was negated >> when he was found not to have Cherokee blood at all. This was >> a big issue down here several years ago. It was in all the >> newspapers. Also I have Cherokee by Blood and am curious >> where "Answer: Kells and Dovers were enrolled" can be found? >> All of my info shows only their rejections. It is strange how >> the Cherokee claims keep on repeating among the Dovers. Which >> DNA group of the Dovers shows Native American via the Dover men? >> >> >> >> >> ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== >> If you need to contact the Listmanager, >> please send your message to, Patricia at mmanson@snet.net >> >> >> >> >> ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== >> Dover resources at surname web >> http://www.surnameweb.org/registry/d/o/v/dover.shtml >> > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Dover Genforum > http://genforum.genealogy.com/dover/ >

I've heard the family story, too. Actually on both sides of my family. I've been able to get back several generations on most sides and haven't run across any proof yet. While I'm with Dennis and say you can't knock family lore and "traditions", you also can't put it in down as black and white. Cousin Sharon used to have the signature line "Genealogy without proof is mythology." My dad had a look about him of Native American. Can I put that down as proof? I have none of the look, but do have some characteristics. We've got to have proof. I think DNA is the strongest proof for something like this and in Dennis' and other Dover cases I think the DNA is pretty conclusive. But I'm not throwing the family lore out the window. (Is that speaking out of both sides of my mouth?) > -----Original Message----- > From: Gayle Calabrese [mailto:gaelcee1@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:17 PM > To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [Dover] Francis Dover - 1/2 Cherokee? > > I always feel that where there is smoke there is fire, as the > saying go. It s interesting for sure. > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Dennis Dover > Date: 11/29/05 16:09:21 > To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [Dover] Francis Dover - 1/2 Cherokee? > > Gayle, no male Dover DNA shows any Native American. I went so > far as to get Native American results within my other DNA > markers and it came back so minor as to barely be above zero > with decimals. That surprised me. I "think" I know better in > my family. Some of the Kell's supposedly have Cherokee but > the closest I have come for location and time with Dover/Kell > is old Pendleton, Rabun Co. and Gilmer Co. I asked Bill Dover > about the Kells, one of the reasons for sending him the Mary > Fox claim. > > There has to be Cherokee family connections, so I'm not in > denial about that at all. I would be the last one to take > that position. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gayle Calabrese [mailto:gaelcee1@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:12 AM > To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [Dover] Francis Dover - 1/2 Cherokee? > > Dennis, The Cherokee connection with Bill Dover was negated > when he was found not to have Cherokee blood at all. This was > a big issue down here several years ago. It was in all the > newspapers. Also I have Cherokee by Blood and am curious > where "Answer: Kells and Dovers were enrolled" can be found? > All of my info shows only their rejections. It is strange how > the Cherokee claims keep on repeating among the Dovers. Which > DNA group of the Dovers shows Native American via the Dover men? > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the Listmanager, > please send your message to, Patricia at mmanson@snet.net > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Dover resources at surname web > http://www.surnameweb.org/registry/d/o/v/dover.shtml >

I always feel that where there is smoke there is fire, as the saying go. It s interesting for sure. -------Original Message------- From: Dennis Dover Date: 11/29/05 16:09:21 To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Dover] Francis Dover - 1/2 Cherokee? Gayle, no male Dover DNA shows any Native American. I went so far as to get Native American results within my other DNA markers and it came back so minor as to barely be above zero with decimals. That surprised me. I "think" I know better in my family. Some of the Kell's supposedly have Cherokee but the closest I have come for location and time with Dover/Kell is old Pendleton, Rabun Co. and Gilmer Co. I asked Bill Dover about the Kells, one of the reasons for sending him the Mary Fox claim. There has to be Cherokee family connections, so I'm not in denial about that at all. I would be the last one to take that position. -----Original Message----- From: Gayle Calabrese [mailto:gaelcee1@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:12 AM To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Dover] Francis Dover - 1/2 Cherokee? Dennis, The Cherokee connection with Bill Dover was negated when he was found not to have Cherokee blood at all. This was a big issue down here several years ago. It was in all the newspapers. Also I have Cherokee by Blood and am curious where "Answer: Kells and Dovers were enrolled" can be found? All of my info shows only their rejections. It is strange how the Cherokee claims keep on repeating among the Dovers. Which DNA group of the Dovers shows Native American via the Dover men? ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== If you need to contact the Listmanager, please send your message to, Patricia at mmanson@snet.net