Gayle, Francis J Dover is listed on the 1850 Habersham Co,GA census in the household of Thomas & Rebecca (Dover) Cross. Rebecca is his daughter. By the way, I've seen on some 1850 indexes where a Jr. is added to his name. Actually, it says "inmate" which is the way the census taker identified the extra household members in this census. We have documentation of his death in 1851 in a Power of Attorney where Johnson continued to try to obtain money due his father as a Rev. soldier that had been denied. Mary L Fox, a granddaughter of Rebecca (Dover) Cross, filed an Eastern Cherokee claim. In her "Supplemental Application for Minor Children" she was asked to name her children who were living in 1906. The next question: Were they ever enrolled for money, annuities, land, or other benefits, etc. Her reply was "Kells and Dovers were enrolled." Is there anyone on the List that knows how the Kell family might fit in this line? (Her claim was denied) Sharon S.

We know there was an Elijah Dover in Buncombe County, North Carolina. I seem to recall that someone else's research (more than one person) suggested that there was an Elijah Hiros Dover and an Elijah Benjamin Dover in Buncombe or associated with a focus on Buncombe research. There's a post on Dover GenForum within the last two days about a Neely Dover b 1790 NC that moved to Pulaski Co, KY and then to Greene County, Indiana.

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Sharon, This is what I have in my notes for Francis J. Dover: The following record of the family of FRANCIS J. DOVER was sent to Mrs. Green by a descendant, Mrs. Edwin McMann of Oklahoma City, Okla. FRANCIS DOVER, b. 6-28-1760 in Haw River, N.C., m. MARY MULLINAX, dau. of JOHN MULLINAX of S.C., and Francis d. 12-13-1851 in Habersham Co., Ga. Their children were: Johnson, b. 1787, S.C., m. HULDA -- - , lived Habersham Co., Ga. Rebecca, b 1-23-1793, S.C., m. THOMAS CROSS in Pendleton Dist., S.C., later lived in Habersham Co., Ga. Anderson, b 34-1794, S.C., m. I st JANE CROSS 2nd CATHERINE HANCOCK of Murray Co., Ga. 3rd MIRANDA McDonald d. 4-17-1885, Polk Co., Ark. Simpson, b. 1800, S.C., m. LUCY A. DOOLEY of Habersham Co., Ga. Elijah Benjamin, b. 1817, S.C., Jarrett Nelson, b. 1818 m. MATILDA GOODSON in Habersham Co., Ga. Thompson Susan, m. JOHN W. GUNTER in Habersham Co., Ga. 12-23-1819 Celia, m. JESSE CROSS in Habersham Co., Ga. Is it Elijah Benjamin or Elijah Benson??? SSukiennik@aol.com wrote: > > Diane, > > I agree, except now would be a good time for me to add that I am descended > from Elijah Benson Dover b. 1817, and I don't think that he is the Benson > named by Jesse Green. Yes, I know that he has been listed by DAR and SAR, but > if you look very carefully at FJD census records, there is never anyone listed > in his age group in the household of FJD. Same for Jarrett Nelson Dover who > is listed and even younger than my EB. I believe, and may never be able to > prove, that they are the sons of Johnson Dover/Hulda Cross. Both of them fit > the census records of Johnson. My EB was even living next door to Johnson on > the 1850 census, which of course, doesn't prove anything either :-( > > I am not disputing that Benson and Nelson may have been sons of FJD, just the > ones that have been attached as sons, would seem more likely grandsons. In > all my years of researching this, I have only run across one other researcher > in my own line that had done an in depth study of FJD. She had already > reached the same opinion that I was forming at the time. Why is there so much > information on Anderson and Wm Simpson, but little or nothing is known about > Johnson, who apparently never left Habersham Co? > > I've tried finding someone in Cross and Goodson, hoping that maybe some of > them had some kind of record. That hasn't worked out either. It does look > like Anna Goodson and Matilda Goodson were sisters. There is a probate on > Jarrett Nelson Dover that lists kids, but absolutely nothing so far to suggest > who Johnson's kids were. > > I have about run out of ideas. Anybody have any suggestions? > > Jesse never mentioned that these sons lived to be adults, either. Sure wish > he'd filled in more blanks while he was at it!!!! > > Sharon S

I am thoroughly confused (however, that is not hard for me!) Is ELIJAH BENSON or ELIJAH BENJAMIN the son of FRANCIS J. DOVER? I have Elijah Benjamin listed as his son m. in 1832 in Habersham. If this is correct, then where does Elijah Benson go???...Lou Morton Ellis Diane Bingham wrote: > > I am always interested in this type of conversation, since so much is > unknown and there are so many ways to interpret what we do know. > Regarding the sons of FJD, I've always wondered about that. We know that > one son, Simpson, had a first name of William and then there was Elijah > Benson. Perhaps one of the other sons was Michael something. However, > the speculation from Sharon S.is more plausible. The close proximity to > Hezikiah is probably closer to the truth. Maybe someday, someone will > stumble across the missing link. > Later... Diane Bingham > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Some of the information you see may not be verified. Remember to verify sources yourself.

This is a find that someone passed along to me. The Martha in the information below is Martha Dover McNabb, sister of my grandpa, John Franklin Dover and daughter of Henry Anderson Dover and America Tennessee Shrader. There may be more coming soon on this line. I sure hope so. Roy L. Cotnam would later become the husband of Era/Ara Dover Cotnam also grandpa's sister and daughter of Henry and America. He was a minister of somewhat ill repute, and they either divorced or separated, because Era/ Ara re-married a Gabriel? although I have very little knowledge on her or that marriage. Sharon Dover Romanek ========= Hi Sharon, No great luck yet on Fred. He probably is in Ala in 1900 and 1910, because he is not listed on any of the Tenn Soundex. He is in Hamilton Co, Chattonooga, on 314 Williams St in 1920. Fred R. McNabb 22 Tenn Martha G. McNabb 21 Ala. Edna Adina 3 6/12 Ala. Herron Clifford McNabb 1 3/12 Tenn (Also 2 boarders: Roy L. Cotnam, 33 Tenn, Asa G. Cotnam 29 Ala)

Lou, Sorry for the confusion. Elijah Benson Dover b. 1817 is my ggg grandfather. He is the one that is listed as s/o Francis J Dover by several who have submitted to DAR and SAR. There is no question of his date of birth, because I have a Bible record, plus a picture of tombstone with the same dates. Juanita McMann and several of the early Dover researchers from what I can tell had all communicated at some point. I have copies of many of her records that I received from Joe McGriff. Joe had also been sent data from Mrs. Green, that Mrs. McMann had shared with her. We Dover descendants will be forever grateful for their contribution to keeping the records and the research that they did to provide us with clues! I think where some confusion may have come in, is with Jesse Green's autobiography. He names Benson as a son of Francis J Dover. My EB was listed as Benson Dover on the 1850 Habersham Co, GA census. The only one that he was listed that way on. I think that it was just assumed that this was the Benson that Jesse Green wrote about. The same with Nelson, and the Jarrett Nelson Dover that they are listing as s/o FJD. The problem as I see it, is in the census records. The 1820 Habersham for FJD and female (both 45+) has a male 16-18 and two males 18-26 in his household. On the 1830 Habersham Co. census he is living all by himself. On the 1840 Habersham Co. only FJD and female also 70-80 -- No Children. Both my Elijah Benson and Jarrett Nelson were born prior to 1820. They are not listed in FJD's household on 1820-30-40. My Elijah Benson md. Anna Goodson in 1837. Jarrett Nelson md. Matilda Goodson in 1845. EB would have been gone on the 1840, but Jarrett Nelson should have still been there. Jarrett Nelson was b.ca1818. My EB consistantly gave SC as his place of birth. The 1850 census shows Jarrett Nelson b. SC. Most FJD researchers say that FJD was in GA before that. If he was there earlier, then my EB's parents must have come later. I don't know who Elijah Benjamin could have been. My EB named a son by 2nd marriage Elijah Benjamin, but don't know if that means anything. It has been pointed out to me that census records are not always accurate. I've seen that myself, of course, but 3 census records in a row would be a little extreme for it to just be an error. When you compare their ages to the records of Johnson Dover, they both fit in his household 1820-30-40 with my EB living right next door to him on 1850. Another possibility of course is that Jesse Green was older when he wrote about the Dovers, had been away during a lot of those years, and was probably writing from memory. Maybe he was incorrect. I don't know----- Has anyone found land grants, deeds or any kind of record that might place a time on the arrival of FJD to GA? Sharon S

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Thanks Marjorie, You know I didn't realize that! I guess I figured marriage records were always recorded. I remember Dennis telling me that you are very familiar with GA records. A few years ago, I ordered some of the Dover marriage records in early Habersham hoping to get some kind of extra info from them. I was very disappointed, because it was only a one line thing with names and dates. I'm not very familiar with GA records. Did they require marriage bonds that might have futher data? If so, do you know what periods they might be available? Do you think it might help if I wrote them back asking for marriage bonds? One of the problems in Habersham is that Johnson has unaccounted for females as well has the older females that were living in Hezekiah's household on 1840. It would help if we could somehow sort out who belonged to who. Gayle, Are you saying there was a Campbell woman living with Francis J Dover on census? If that's what you are saying, who was she, which census are we talking about, and how do you know this?????? Sharon

Habersham Co, Ga Deed Book N Page 355 In a deed dated 4 Dec 1834 Francis J Dover literally gave everything he owned to his son Anderson. This deed reads like a will, for those who may not be familar with it. It included land, three notes that were owed to him by named people, livestock, household furniture and farming equipment, 100 bushels of corn, and hay and fodder -- everything. The strange thing is that FJD did not die until 1851. Why would he give away everything like he did, when he did??? ON 1820 Habersham, there is an older female living with FJD. On 1830, he is living by himself. On 1840, he again has an older female living with him. We know from court documentation that FJD was md. to Mary Mullinax Dover, because they signed a Power of Attorney to Absalom Mullinax dated 21 June 1838 in Habersham Co, GA. To date, I know of no one who has found a record of either this marriage or the marriage to ? Posey that Jesse Green named as FJD's wife. If memory serves me, believe that marriage records were being kept by 1819 in Habersham Co. We know there is a record of Celia Dover/Jesse Cross recorded in Dec 1819. If FJD was by himself on 1830 and we know he was md and in Habersham Co. 1838 with Mary Mullinax, then they probably got md between 1830 & 38. There is no marriage record for them in Habersham Co, GA --- so, where did they marry?????? I've thought about this, and thought about this. It would make sense, if when he md. Mary Mullinax, she already had a home and everything, that he decided to give everything he had to Anderson. But, if he just moved down the road why would he give up the notes of money that were owed to him? I really have to wonder, if he actually left Habersham Co.and md Mary somewhere else. If that's the case, where would he have gone? Would only be a three or four year period before he was back in Habersham Co. in time to sign the Power of Attorney. Any other opinions? Sharon S

There's no county by that name but there is a city of Loretto in Lawrence County, Tennessee. Harwell is a dentist I used to have :-(, don't recognize Bratton.

Hi, After asking for a lookup in Lafayette Co, Ms. this is what I received. Can anyone place the surname Harwell or Bratton. Also, I can't seem to place any Dovers in Loretta Co Tn, can anyone else? Thanks Patricia -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Patricia, Sorry I can not be of much help, the only listings for Dover is one in the Absalom Harwell family. It says Bonard Harwell's 2nd husband was a Dover, first name unknown. The other listing was about Eulon Glover Bratton marring Beatrice (Bea) Dover who was from Loretta Co TN. That was the on 2 listings.

Up till about two years ago I barely knew Hezekiah's name. I don't have a copy of a will or a family Bible record, but I seriously "doubt" that Francis is the father of Michael. The known facts place Francis and Michael in different places at the same times. Hezekiah is the common connection with Mike by place and date from 1819 until sometime after 1830. Ky and Mike were charged in York in 1819 when Francis was in Pendleton "before" 1800. Why would Francis leave one younger son behind with his younger brother when the other children followed him from York to Pendleton to Habersham? I believe the known facts show that Hezekiah is the father of Michael. I would love to see anything that suggests something else and am willing to share the pros and cons of this theory. I also believe the records (other than census) show that Hezekiah was as close to Mary Dover Hambright and Bersheba Dover Martin as kin can be because the known records show that they "knew" each other by place and date. We can debate on our list too :-)

Diane, I agree, except now would be a good time for me to add that I am descended from Elijah Benson Dover b. 1817, and I don't think that he is the Benson named by Jesse Green. Yes, I know that he has been listed by DAR and SAR, but if you look very carefully at FJD census records, there is never anyone listed in his age group in the household of FJD. Same for Jarrett Nelson Dover who is listed and even younger than my EB. I believe, and may never be able to prove, that they are the sons of Johnson Dover/Hulda Cross. Both of them fit the census records of Johnson. My EB was even living next door to Johnson on the 1850 census, which of course, doesn't prove anything either :-( I am not disputing that Benson and Nelson may have been sons of FJD, just the ones that have been attached as sons, would seem more likely grandsons. In all my years of researching this, I have only run across one other researcher in my own line that had done an in depth study of FJD. She had already reached the same opinion that I was forming at the time. Why is there so much information on Anderson and Wm Simpson, but little or nothing is known about Johnson, who apparently never left Habersham Co? I've tried finding someone in Cross and Goodson, hoping that maybe some of them had some kind of record. That hasn't worked out either. It does look like Anna Goodson and Matilda Goodson were sisters. There is a probate on Jarrett Nelson Dover that lists kids, but absolutely nothing so far to suggest who Johnson's kids were. I have about run out of ideas. Anybody have any suggestions? Jesse never mentioned that these sons lived to be adults, either. Sure wish he'd filled in more blanks while he was at it!!!! Sharon S

Names on the wall at Ellis Island Simi Green Dover Russia panel 119 Joseph Dover Germany panel 506 The Tore Ingebretson Dover Family, Norway panel 506 -- Patricia

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------16B8B43128C2F1FE002D36F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am forwarding this for Dwight:) -- Patricia Manson --------------16B8B43128C2F1FE002D36F4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <dwight.self@wmsbros.com> Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by pop.snet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/SNET-pop-1.3/D-1.5/O-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA17847 for <mmanson@snet.net>; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.183.40.135] (helo=dwight.wmsbros.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for mmanson@snet.net id 10HtWR-0000Wm-00; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:04:00 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:09:29 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE64AD.E7EC5EA0.dwight.self@wmsbros.com> From: Dwight Self <dwight.self@wmsbros.com> To: "'mmanson@snet.net'" <mmanson@snet.net> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:09:28 -0500 Organization: Williams Brothers Lumber Co. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Patricia, I deleted your e-mail from 2/26/99 before responding to it reference posting on the Dover line. Here is what I have on my wife's line. Please post it. I agree with you that the Dover folks really do an excellent job of posting, updating and sharing information. I will be glad to share whatever further information I have regarding the Dover line. 1. Frederick Dover married Margaret. 2. Dillingham Dover, b. August 6, 1834 in Buncombe Co., North Carolina. Dillingham married Elizabeth Helton. 3. Jason Gordon Dover married Elizabeth Ingle 4. Eva Josie Dover married John Stanton Douthit, son of Daniel Douthit and Delaney Crutchfield. 5. Pauline Douthit, b. November 10, 1916 in Gilmer County, Georgia. Pauline married Ed Smith, son of John Smith and Sarah Cunningham. 6. Joan Louise Smith, b. March 8, 1946 married (me) Dwight L. Self (I do have one note in my Dover files that shows Frederick's father was John, but that is all the information I show.) Thanks. Dwight Self --------------16B8B43128C2F1FE002D36F4--

I thought I would pass along the information that my cousin Eldon Dover and wife Flossie Dover has found in Telfair Co., GA, close to McRae, buried at Dodge Chapel Methodist Cemetery. I believe all are probably descendants of David Henry Thornton Dover who is the son of John Abel Dover, and grandson of David Washington Dover and Sarah Sparks. I must also give credit to Betty Shaddix Lewis for informing me of the existence and location of the cemetery. Many Thanks, Betty! 1. David Henry Thornton Dover, b. 2-19-1870, d. 9-27-1937 (WW I Army), wife Viola Dover b. 1-5-1870, d. 4-26-1937. 2. Albert S Dover, b. 3-11-1890, d. 6-23-1968, wife Ellen Ann Dover, b. 8-10-1894, d. 1-18-1955. 3. William S Dover, b. 2-15-1893, d. 10-5-1969 (WW I Army), wife Carrie M Dover, b. 6-7-1897, d. 1-10-1975. 4. James R Dover, b. 12-25-1904, d. 1-17-1983, wife Meda S Dover, B. 4-7-1912, d. 1-15-1977. The back of the stone had their children listed as follows: Edward, Donnie, Henry, Margaret, Mary Etta, Elvin, Velma, Rachel. 5. Robert L Dover, b. 1-27-1917, d. 2-20-1973, wife Bertha M Dover, b. 10-2-1923 6. Felicia N Dover, b. 1-24-1972, d. 6-10-1972 7. Kathryn Leigh Dover, b. 10-25-1958, d. 7-1-1963 8. Aruty D Dover, b. 8-23-1914, d. 7-21-1941, married 8-5-1933 to Nora S Dover Clark, b. 4-10-1917, d. 10-26-1962 (Aruty is the way it is spelled on the stone). 9. Helen L Dover, b. 10-19-1936, d. 1-20-1938. 10. Albert Grant Dover, b. 3-31-1934, d. 11-28-1975 (USAF-Korea), wife Helen M Dover, b. 11-15-1940, d. 5-30-1978. 11. J. Edward Dover, b. 5-30-1929, d. 2-10-1983, married 10-7-1946, wife Lucille B Dover, b. 7-28-1931. (Back of stone had children's names as follows: Joyce, Barbara, Alfred, Eddie, Doty, Cathy). Here are directions on how to get there from McRae, GA: From the junction of 341 and 441, take 441 S for 2.4 miles to GA 149 S connector. Take GA 149 S for 9.4 miles. Take a left past Pope's store (Gulf sign) about 1 mile to first dirt road, take a right, about 400 yards is the church. (Church sign hidden in bushes). Dodge Chapel Methodist Church. The above may have been posted already by someone else, but since I'm new to the list, I don't know. Sherry Worthy Horn

This is some great information that was shared with me by an Eldon H. Dover. If I remember right he is a descendant of David Dover and wife Sarah Sparks. Eldon was kind enough to give permission to post it to the list, and may be joining the list shortly. I invited him to do so and he did ask how to do it, so I think he might. He is related to Sherry from the list also, and has had some more communication from others in this group that I don't believe are on the list. This cemetery is in the Eastman area of Georgia in a little area called McRae and is on the Wheeler County line, best I can figure according to the map. Enjoy!!! This is some good stuff. If anyone would like to get a message to Eldon until he does decide to join the group, I will be happy to forward it for you. They are planning a trip to Sand Mt., Al. soon. Hope they do this good there too. It could sure be a big help to many of us on the list. Sharon Dover Romanek =============== Went to McRae today,ask at a funeral home how to get to Dodge Chapel Cem.Sherry it is a beautiful cem.we got out of the car and Eldon walked straight and the first grave he looked at was a Dover.There was 19 of them in a row,and no more with markers.It is very well kept,it's a shame they aren't all that easy.Took a roll of film will be sending pictures when we get them back. Robert L Dover b.1-27-1917 d.2-20-1973 wife Bertha M Dover b.10-1-1923 Felica N Dover b.1-24-1972 d.6-10-1972 Kathryn Leigh Dover b.10-25-1958 d.7-1-1963 Albert S Dover b.3-11-1890 d.6-23-1968 wife Ellen Ann Dover b.8-10-1894 d.1-18-1955 Aruty D Dover b.8-23-1914 d.7-21-1941 married 8-5-1933 to Nora S Dover Clark b.4-10-1917 d.10-26-1962 (Aruty is the way it is spelled on stone) Helen L Dover b.10-19-1936 d.1-20-1938 Albert Grant Dover b.3-31-1934 d.11-28-1975 (USAF-Korea) wife Helen M Dover b.11-15-1940 d.5-30-1978 David Henry Thornton Dover b.2-19-1870 d.9-27-1937(W W 1 Army)wife Viola Dover b.1-5-1870 d.4-26-1937 William S Dover b.2-15-1893 d.10-5-1969(W W 1 Army)wife Carrie M Dover b.6-7-1897 d. 1-10-1975. J.Edward Dover b.5-30-1929 d.2-10-1983 married 10-7-1946 wife Lucille B Dover b.7-28-1931(back of stone had their children listed as follows:Joyce, Barbara, Alfred, Eddie, Doty, Cathy) James R Dover b.12-25-1904 d.1-17-1983 wife Meda S Dover b.4-7-1912 d.1-15-1977 (back of stone had children listed as follows: Edward, Donnie, Henry, Margaret, Mary Etta, Elvin, Velma,Rachel) We thought it was really neat how they listed the childrens names on the back .They must have known we was going to come a looking. Here is the directions on how to get there from McRae Ga. From the junction of 341 an 441 take 441 S for 2.4 miles to Ga 149 S connector.Take Ga 149 S for 9.4 miles.Take a left past Pope's store(Gulf sign)about 1mile to first dirt road take a right,about 400 yards is church.(Church sign hidden in bushes)Dodge Chapel Meth.Church.

Another courtesy lookup. Sharon Dover Romanek ============ Subject: DEEVER/DEAVER marriages DEAVER, Joshua married HOUZE, Rebecca on Feb. 4, 1818 Richard, married RING, Henrittor, on Dec. 22, 1810 Samuel, married HAUSEN, Susannah, on Feb. 4, 1814 Samuel, married FARMER, Elizabeth, on Feb. 23, 1787 Samuel, married JARVIS, Cloha, on May 15, 1821 Elizabeth, married CARNEL, Edward, on May 5, 1809 Elizabeth, married WEAVER, William, on Feb. 24, 1803 DEAVOR, Nicey, married MILLER, Joseph, on May 25, 1836 DEEVER, Charity, married AYTCHESON, Jesse, on Oct. 27, 1818 Emeley, married CALL, Joseph, on Mar. 6, 1809 Sally, married ALLLEN, Stephen, on Dec. 26, 1819