Sorry this is so long, but we got lots of Dover kin in Oklahoma. There were some Whisnant names too. ============== Source: Ancestry Database Tulsa World (Oklahoma), Obituaries, 1990-1999 Publication Date: January 07, 1999 Source: Tulsa World Page: Subjects: Region: Obituary: Dover, J.M., 62, roofer, died Sunday. Graveside services 11 a.m. Thursday, Crown Hill Cemetery. Sloan's. ======================= Publication Date: January 23, 1999 Source: Tulsa World Page: Subjects: Region: Obituary: Fairland -- Jewell Alberta Dover, 82, homemaker, died Thursday. Services 2 p.m. Saturday, First Assembly of God. Guilford Thomas, Miami. ============== Publication Date: May 27, 1994 Source: Tulsa World Page: N2 Subjects: Region: Oklahoma Obituary: STATE-AREA BARTLESVILLE _ Larry Francis Dover, 46, Phillips Petroleum employee, died Wednesday. Services pending. Stumpff. ================== Publication Date: October 24, 1995 Source: Tulsa World Page: N2 Subjects: Region: Oklahoma Marriage Licenses (Tulsans unless otherwise noted) Pamela Dover, 30; William Cates Sr., 51. Melissa England ============== Headline: Births Publication Date: September 27, 1996 Source: Tulsa World Page: A2 Subjects: Region: Oklahoma Linda Casey, 45; Bruce Dover, 56, both of Sand Springs. ============= Publication Date: March 16, 1997 Source: Tulsa World Page: A26 Subjects: Region: Oklahoma Obituary: Dover, Bill D., 49, formerly of Tulsa, manager of operations of Weight Watchers Gourmet Foods, died Thursday in Bakerstown, Pa. Services 2 p.m. Tuesday, Moore's Southlawn Funeral Home Chapel. ============= Headline: Births Publication Date: December 20, 1993 Source: Tulsa World Page: N3 Subjects: Region: Oklahoma Obituary: Babies were born to these parents who live in Tulsa unless indicated: Hillcrest Medical Center/Teresa Blair and Steven Dover, boy. ============== Publication Date: July 20, 1995 Source: Tulsa World Page: N2 Subjects: Region: Oklahoma MUSKOGEE -- Ruth Dover, 81, retired medical librarian, died Wednesday. Services 10 a.m. Saturday, Petering Funeral Home Chapel. ============== Publication Date: May 16, 1997 Source: Tulsa World Page: A2 Subjects: Region: Oklahoma Obituary: Babies were born to these parents, who live in Tulsa unless indicated: Hillcrest Medical Center/ Broken Arrow Christina Dover and Bobby Black, girl. ============== Publication Date: October 25, 1997 Source: Tulsa World Page: A2 Subjects: Region: Oklahoma Marriage Licenses (Tulsans unless otherwise noted) Vicki Dover, 41; Matthew Clarke, 38, both of Sand Springs. ============ Headline: Indurain Ices 5th Straight French Title Publication Date: July 24, 1995 Source: Tulsa World Page: S4 Subjects: Region: Oklahoma Obituary: MILT BASSETT, Woodward--Has coached and taught 27 years, but is best known for leading Woodward to the Class 5A football championship last season. The Boomers upset Broken Bow in a three-overtime classic at Lewis Field in Stillwater. Bassett was Oil Bowl coach in 1982 and an All-State coach in 1993. Norman Captures State Crown Shortstop-pitcher Kyle Dover belted a grand slam home run in the third inning to lead Norman to a 10-2 victory over Jenks in the championship game of the American Legion 2A State Tournament at Guthrie. NORMAN 10, JENKS 2 Jenks 2 0 0 0 0 -- 2 5 3 Norman 3 0 4 3 x -- 10 9 1 Keen, Swayze (3), Burkhart (4) and Frank; Sandefur, Humphrey (5) and Haxel. W--Sandefur. L--Keen. HR--Norman, Dover (4). ============== Headline: U.S.-WORLD DEATHS Publication Date: February 11, 1991 Source: Tulsa World Page: B9 Subjects: Region: Oklahoma Harriette Shelton Dover MARYSVILLE, Wash. (AP) _ Harriette Shelton Dover, former chairwoman of the Tulalip Indian Tribe and a leading interpreter of native culture, died of cancer last week at age 86. ============================================== SHARE'D Got Any Dover You Haven't Posted, Please Do Researching: Kirksey, Dover, Shrader, Tyner,McNabb romanek@cybertrails.com Sept 30-May 10 romanek@salisbury.net June 1-Sept 30 sromanek@hotmail.com Year Round BACK UP ONLY

Dennis - I fell for that "given name" before I realized it. My grandfather, used to talk about his grandparents, Juliann Dover and Henry Broom. When I asked what her parent' names were, he used to tell us "Ben Dover and his wife Eileen." Took me a lot of years to realize he was fooling us. Diane

Even though my Dovers were still in England during the times that all of you are researching, I still enjoy reading much of what you are sending, especially the last couple of days as I have been reading about dialogues from different parts of the country and family histories and stories. I want to thank all of you for these. I was especially interested in the sing-alongs because I well remember how I loved it when my uncle who played the banjo would come home and all the aunts and uncles and any cousins who wanted to would get together at my grandma's house and have a big sing-along. They had nice voices and did a lot of harmonizing! At one such gathering they taped the singing and it is still one of my favorite tapes to listen too -- not only because it brings back such happy memories but also because most of them are gone now, including my father who's name was William Dover. A good old family name I am discovering. Thanks! Gerry Dover Osborn

Dear Dennis, I'm not sure about the "Dover" because I never heard of it until I started trying to find my grandmother's family. However, I know for a fact that she, "Lula", pronounced and spelled her name "Lular" and my Mother, "Thelma" was called "Thelmer." Interesting! Besides, the census takers were I am sure from the area where the census was being taken, so they wrote down what they "heard." >From one of your, not quite South, but Southwestern cousins. We, as you know, have our own Southwestern Drawl. Lou Dennis Dover wrote: > > A question for our Dover cousins living in the South .... is > there anyway a southern accent can orally get pronounced > DOVER that gets written down as DEAVER? > > Deaver also equals DEVER and DEVER is a possible written > transcription error for DOVER. > > This has haunted me for a long time. > > Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom & Laura [mailto:tom-lauramsn@email.msn.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 11:40 AM > To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DOVER-L] DEAVER > > Does anyone have a copy of Emmett Starrs History of Cherokee > Indians? I was looking at a list of surnames that appear in > the book and noticed alot of familiar names. > > DEAVER is on page 395 > > A few of the other names on the same page are > BAILEY > COLLINS > PINDAR > > I sure am curious about that book now! > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Search the Dover archives at > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=D > OVER-L > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Search the Dover archives at > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=DOVER-L

Don't let this get out, but I was born and raised in southern California. One of the things that always struck me funny as a kid in grammer school were kids from the south that called me ...... DEVER or DOVERS. It was like the southern kids just couldn't "pronounce" DOVER. The one's that could always associated the Dover name with the White Cliffs of Dover. It wasn't until I was in the Army that I EVER realized the infamous given name associated with Dover that has been abused as an e-mail address :-( At 6'-3" and 220, that didn't go far :-)

Does anyone on our list live in the Asheville area of Buncombe County, North Carolina? If so, please let me know. I need a favor. Dennis

This was sent to me several years ago by Joe McGriff. I just ran across it while looking for something else. Thought some of you might enjoy it. The author is unknown to me. "Perhaps you and I will totter across the answer some far distant day in a dusty old library or file room. Our hearts will soar and a tear will well up in our tired and timeworn eyes & we will feel full of pride to have once more found an answer to a mystery. A small smile will cross our wrinkled faces & when strangers see it they will wonder. We will smile even more to know that they will never feel as we do, nor have the pride we feel, for they will never have the opportunity to touch the souls of their forefathers & for a brief instant, know them." SS

In a message dated 4/10/99 12:28:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, LEllis@ix.netcom.com writes: > However, I know for a fact that > she, "Lula", pronounced and spelled her name "Lular" and my Mother, "Thelma" > was > called "Thelmer." Hello List, Have been reading all of the post on the sounding of the DOVER name & wish I could add to it, but sorry to say, I have never met any of my DOVER family. But I can add that my FOLKNER name has always been pronounced as if it should be spelled FORTNER & I have always wonder where that came from. My g g ma was Josie GOODIN FOLKNER dau of Martha Caroline DOVER GOODIN & I too have odd sounding names in my family, Ella-Eller, & my mom Thelma-Thelmer. So I can see how the DOVER name could be found spelled differently. Marolyn Folkner Howell AR born, CA raised, but still have that twang!

For a number of years I corresponded with Zona (Emerson) Kavigan - granddaugher of Ann (Dover) Brickey Emerson. Zona's dad was John W Emerson b. 23 Mar 1879, a brother of my g grandmother. Over the years, she related to me a lot of her childhood memories. She was the baby of her family. She and her brother, Ellis Emerson b. 1902 were still living as of a couple of years ago. The following is from one of her letters: "As a child, I remember we had all kinds of instruments. Papa taught Addie (her sister) to play the organ and the two boys fiddle, guitar, etc. What I remember, we had a happy life. I remember when we had company, Addie played the organ and we sang. Papa and the boys played fiddle, guitar and French harp and I jig danced. Mama must have taught me to jig. She could jig in her 80's. We had fun on Saturday nights. We had an old phone on the wall. Papa make a big horn to fit the mouthpiece. Then we gave one long ring and that was a ring everyone would listen in. Then the music would start. Poor lonely people sure enjoyed listening. I had to stay on the phone in case people had to use the phone. People would say, "Where are you?" "Who is this?" I wasn't used to swearing. One guy said, "Where the hell are you?" He wanted to join us. We knew him and his voice. He lived about two miles from us. No one ever knew who we were. They only played two or three tunes and then we hung up. Since I wasn't all that good to play, I was taught to dance. We didn't sing over the phone, just music. Addie played the organ and she and I would sing at church. I remember at Minco, OK they had a lot of tornadoes. One year in 1926, Ellis, Orville and Addie all got married and lived a home. All the men folk had taken wagons of cotton to Minco Gin. It came rain, tornadoes, you name it. We were so worried as they were late getting home. Our way, as I look back at it, was a form of praying. Addie played the organ and she, Esther and I sang church songs until they got home. We were so serious. I was 12 years old." Zona's father is recalled by other family members as a brilliant self educated man. At one time he was a doctor. He was an inventor and held several patents on some of his inventions. Sharon S

Hi Dennis The answer to that one is a definite yes!! When I am on the phone to my older cousin in GulfPort MS (Codelias Granddaughter). At times with her accent it does sound like DEVER. We have laughed about it over the phone, because one day I stopped her and said, "you mean Dover not Dever". It sounds like Dever when we are in a full conversation, and she is speaking at a faster rate. The "O" is not heard. it comes out DVER. Also I found something a little interesting. Ancestry Library SEARCH, how opened up there data base for Free, for ten days on Virginia Marriage Index, 1740-1850. When Dover is put in, only one hit comes back for: Hugh DOVER mar Marie BLAIN 27th May 1819 * * Rockingham * * But when DEVER is put in 14 hits comes back. Eight of them for * * Rockingham * * Co. here is the URL http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3723.htm Does anyone have a census for that area? And I wonder what the names of Hugh Dover children are. If there was someway to match any of the Dever surnames as Hugh Dovers children. I think have a very definite answer. Just a thought:-) Patricia Dennis Dover wrote: > > A question for our Dover cousins living in the South .... is > there anyway a southern accent can orally get pronounced > DOVER that gets written down as DEAVER? > > Deaver also equals DEVER and DEVER is a possible written > transcription error for DOVER. > > This has haunted me for a long time. > > Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom & Laura [mailto:tom-lauramsn@email.msn.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 11:40 AM > To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DOVER-L] DEAVER > > Does anyone have a copy of Emmett Starrs History of Cherokee > Indians? I was looking at a list of surnames that appear in > the book and noticed alot of familiar names. > > DEAVER is on page 395 > > A few of the other names on the same page are > BAILEY > COLLINS > PINDAR > > I sure am curious about that book now! > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Search the Dover archives at > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=D > OVER-L > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Search the Dover archives at > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=DOVER-L --

Ernie's post reminded me of something about music and smarts that I would like to share a piece of with the list. I've asked permission to share the entire piece from my Arkansas cousin (no word yet): "Seemingly rooted in her rocker, Granny enjoyed the stories of each son until the wives, having finished tidying the dining rooms and kitchen, would approach the porch podium. Uncle Rufus - possibly ranking only next to Uncle Harry - the fourth oldest - with an almost continuous smile, slapped his hands together and said, "Are we ready for a little music?" (Does the Delta have cotton?) Like numerous brooks converging, Dovers seemed to swell into a river flowing around the old upright piano in the living room. Continuing to flood the porches, we children tried to find unoccupied spots to look into the living room through the windows or screen door. Uncle John, educated - like his siblings - in the classics, including Latin, would lapse into down-home homilies for effect: "Such goin' on!" as though story telling and music were foreign to the Dovers." "While the family overflow sat with legs draped over the edge of the porch, we kept time to the music and savored the breezes that swept in from the Gulf over the cotton fields of Arkansas. To hear "On a Bicycle Built for Two" was wondrous for us children, but to see the dark, upright piano come to life under Uncle Rufus' dancing hands seemed a miracle. Uncle Rufus' granddaughter Sarah had a voice the mockingbirds must have envied. As her grandfather accompanied her (not playing by notes, of course), everyone justly praised her innate musical talent springing from the depths of generations through her grandfather's veins to her." Grandfather above was William Franklin Dover, one of Bailey and Martha's sons. Dennis

Here's the Carroll County, Tennessee census for Joshua: 1840 M704-54 Page 74 Joshua Dover 40-50 1780-1790 0000001-0000001 Female 40-50 1780-1790 Two things. Didn't we recently have a post about a Joshua DOVER being in Arkansas? Second, in 1880 Greene County, Arkansas is a young John Dover born in AL living with the GENTRY family. For Sharon S., because we talked about this before she joined DOVER-L .... I think the GENTRY family in Greene County is the same GENTRY family that was a neighbor of Joshua DOVER in Carroll Co., TN. Dennis

See Dennis, I've been telling you that we people of the south have our own languages. :-) I think that you also have to factor in the brogue that a lot of these early people had. We know that Col Fred Hambright was German and I have read some of his statements that were written like he spoke, just recently. My in-laws came to America after WWII. They never lost the brogue, but incorporated a little TX accent in their speech. It's been quite interesting. My m-n-l is German. My kids love to tease her, because there is no "V" sound in the German language. It comes out "W". Therefore, like vacuum cleaner comes out wacuum cleaner. A lot of these early people lived in clusters, so the brogues continued because that's what they heard. I once worked with a woman who sounded so English you would have thought she had just stepped off the boat. Turned out she was born and raised here but grew up in a community where the English brogue had lived on. I went to AR a few years back to take a look at my "roots." Found a delightful older lady who went with us to show us a cemetery I was interested in. Had to really concentrate to understand what she was saying. I still remember the story she told about a "bar" that she and a dau. encountered near this cemetery while picking berries. It was now located in a wildlife preserve. Another interesting query to the list members would be just how the members pronounce DOVER. I have always heard it as Doe' ver like doe the deer. Any other variations? Sharon S

The address given below may or may not duplicate those previously posted for the subject site. In this morning's Houston Chronicle, in the weekly genealogy column by our local researcher and book store owner Mic Barnette, Mic gives the address of the new LDS site as http://www.familysearch.org/default.asp. I reached it without problems and made a test search. The site prominently features the disclaimer that it is a test site and may be absent or slow at times. Mic Barnette made the following points in this column: -The site contains several databases, including Ancestral File, Family History Catalogue, IGI, family surname websites, Family Search, and a Pedigree Resource File. -Some of the objectives of the website are to encourage researchers to contact each other, exchange information, build international databases and correct information found in existing databases (!). -It is common to find multiple database entries for the same individual or family, which disagree as to dates, etc. Every researcher should verify his/her research data. -The results of Family Search may contain hyperlinks to Internet websites registered on the family search program. Many hits thus found are false because the search engine found a single name (given or surname), and didn't properly hit on complete names. -The home page of Family Search allows one to search for a person by first name and last name, in conjunction with the person's spouse. The search results displayed (if any!) may be viewed through hyperlinks. Clicking on different buttons may display the person's pedigree, family group sheet, a family surname website, or the address of other researchers of the same surname. (I note that a search provides for entry of first and last name of individual, first and last names of father and mother of individual, and of spouse of individual. If all this data is available and entered, presumably the search should be very specific. I note futher that provision for entry of middle names or initials, and of time frames, would make it even more specific.) -The Family History Library sells some of the databases incorporated in the database in their online bookstore. The website contains a link to the bookstore. Ode Carlisle

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Dennis Dover wrote: > > A question for our Dover cousins living in the South .... is > there anyway a southern accent can orally get pronounced > DOVER that gets written down as DEAVER? > > Deaver also equals DEVER and DEVER is a possible written > transcription error for DOVER. > > This has haunted me for a long time. > > Dennis > > Yes, I think it is quite possible, especially when one considers the lack of education of many census takers, and southerners as a general rule from long ago. (I mean no disrespect--I was born and bred in Georgia, and I was a census enumerator in 1970.) Considering the tremendous migration of folks from all over to the south, the southern accent has almost been lost, except in the rural areas. I now live in Forsyth County, the fastest growing county in the nation, but was until about 8 years ago rural. The local folk still have a "southern" accent. (Many times the newcomers need help with translation!) Barbara Dover Brown pbbrown@bellsouth.net

1790 Ninety-Six Dist., Greenville Co, SC Joshua Dover 1 3 2 (1 male 16+ 3 male -16 2 female) George Dovers 1 1 3 I don't have anything on Newberry Co, SC The Joshua Dover b. 1753 on Haw River, NC said in his pension papers that he had lived in Jackson Co, AL but I have never found him. 1850 Jackson Co, AL Joshua Dover 51 1799 GA Mary 41 1809 SC Have a Joshua in Robertson Co, TN, think 1840, but can't seem to find it at the moment. Will get back to you. Don't really have a clue who these are. Sharon S

Hi Dennis, You may have something on the orally pronounced DOVER that get written as Dever. Back in the 30,s and 40,s my grandparent who were born around 1860, 1875, and 1890 talked allot like Fetus on Gunsmoke, Bed covers was call cevers, they had their on way of talking, It had nothing to do with a "southern Drawl" and had to do more with education the lack of it that it, My Grandparent and step Grandparent had no education at all. I use to go to the bank with my step Grandpa and sign my name by his x so he could cash his old age pension. so you may have something with the spelling of Dover to Dever. But because they had no education don't mean they were not smart, They could play the fiddles, sing and dance. They were from Missouri so just try trading something with then like a mule or animal for the farm. I think i'm getting carried away. That my two cents worth for what its worth, Talk to ya later. Earnest E Dovers

In an attempt (again) to locate my Joshua, I went to ancestry and found the following. Let's see how many we can identify. Census Indexs for Joshua Dover 1790 Newberry Co, SC 1790 Greenville Co, SC 1830 Greene Co, IN (this is mine) 1830 Wayne Co, IL 1840 Carroll Co, TN 1840 Carroll Co, TN 1840 Bedford Co, PA 1850 Greene Co, IN (Joshua Jr.- mine) 1850 Jackson Co, AL 1860 Washington Co, IA 1860 Jackson Co, AL Why is this so Hard? There aren't that many. :( pam

A question for our Dover cousins living in the South .... is there anyway a southern accent can orally get pronounced DOVER that gets written down as DEAVER? Deaver also equals DEVER and DEVER is a possible written transcription error for DOVER. This has haunted me for a long time. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Tom & Laura [mailto:tom-lauramsn@email.msn.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 11:40 AM To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DOVER-L] DEAVER Does anyone have a copy of Emmett Starrs History of Cherokee Indians? I was looking at a list of surnames that appear in the book and noticed alot of familiar names. DEAVER is on page 395 A few of the other names on the same page are BAILEY COLLINS PINDAR I sure am curious about that book now! ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Search the Dover archives at http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=D OVER-L